| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:14:47 PM | Even though I don’t agree with homosexuality, I also don’t agree with telling someone else how to live his or her own life. With that said, just because you can do something, that does not mean that you should actually do it. Homosexuality is still defined as a form of mental illness. A man who thinks that he is a woman, or a woman that thinks she is a man, suffers from a form of psychosis. There is not much difference between that and a man who thinks he is a pro fighter, comic book character, and TV or movie character. These people obviously have the right to do as they choose, but are they choosing wisely? Same sex marriages would re-define the law, however, nature can never be re-defined. Trying to re-define reality is not always a good idea, some things will always be a constant.
When a same sex couple adopts a child and tries to introduce an element into an environment where it cannot exist, that creates a paradox. Two males or two females will never be able to procreate and produce an off spring, this will never happen in nature. Just because a same sex couple wants to experience parenthood and adopt a child that might not be in the best interest of that child. Children need as much normalcy as possible; this would include a mother and father. Childhood can be very difficult, when that child is raised in a same sex household, that could make things much more difficult for them. Just that fact alone could make them a target of ridicule. When that child grows up, the same sex couple that raised them could turn into that child’s object of resentment.
Where is this society headed, where will this society be in another 20 to 25 years from now. Everyday this country is turning more and more into a Sodom and Gomorrah. When Hugh Hefner, an old man, propositioned a 15-year-old girl (Millie Cyrus) to pose nude in his magazine, in three years, that did not create much controversy. If a man on the street came up to your 15 year old daughter and told her that she was a very pretty lady, and wanted her to pose nude in his magazine in three years. How would you as a parent react to that disgusting offer? Another object of controversy is Brittney Spears younger sister, Jamie Lyn Spears. This 15-year-old pregnant child walks around in public like it was nothing; no one seems to care that much any more. Has modern society evolved to a higher pointed or has it de-evolved to a lower primate state, where anything goes? | |
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vro312
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:27:16 PM |
Even though I don’t agree with homosexuality, I also don’t agree with telling someone else how to live his or her own life. With that said, just because you can do something, that does not mean that you should actually do it. Homosexuality is still defined as a form of mental illness. A man who thinks that he is a woman, or a woman that thinks she is a man, suffers from a form of psychosis.
No, in fact, homosexuality is *not* considered a mental illness, it is considered a sexual preference.
From the University of California, Davis, Department of Psychology http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html:
In 1986, the diagnosis was removed entirely from the DSM. The only vestige of ego dystonic homosexuality in the revised DSM-III occurred under Sexual Disorders Not Otherwise Specified, which included persistent and marked distress about one's sexual orientation (American Psychiatric Association, 1987; see Bayer, 1987, for an account of the events leading up to the 1973 and 1986 decisions).
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Some psychologists and psychiatrists still hold negative personal attitudes toward homosexuality. However, empirical evidence and professional norms do not support the idea that homosexuality is a form of mental illness or is inherently linked to psychopathology. | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:32:12 PM |
Homosexuality is still defined as a form of mental illness.
Actually, it's not. That changed in the 1970's.
A man who thinks that he is a woman, or a woman that thinks she is a man, suffers from a form of psychosis
I've talked to enough gay people to know this isn't the case. Most times they realized they were different long before the age they were sexual, in many cases five or six.
These people obviously have the right to do as they choose, but are they choosing wisely?
They don't choose to be gay. As a gay friend once told me, who would ?
Childhood can be very difficult, when that child is raised in a same sex household, that could make things much more difficult for them.
I've seen several same sex couples that far exceed anything that is the norm for "normal" couples. Being a good parent doesn't depend on sexual orientation, or is negated by it.
Everyday this country is turning more and more into a Sodom and Gomorrah.
Those gays have always been there, it's just that they no longer have to hide. Read Kinsey, and see for yourself.
AS for Hefner and Spears, that's simply a reflection of the greater society, and especially modern American society. You can walk into any bar tonight, any pick up place, and run into a multitude of people who are just looking for sex.
Add to that a population, especially in the USA, that has restricted access (in many cases) to sex education and birth control - and you get the results you get.
American media uses sex to sell everything from soap to cars. It titillates but never satisfies. Violence is accepted, but nudity is not. One nipple slip generates an uproar, but desperate housewives fill the airwaves.
We live in a "bling bling" world, where materialism has replaced many of our values. That even impacts on our typical views towards sexuality, and instant gratification. We no longer have the patience to wait for a microwaved meal even.
That's just how it is, but that doesn't mean you have to follow the trend. | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:44:28 PM |
Where is this society headed? Where will this society be in another 20 to 25 years from now? - noblelord
> I'm with the noble lord.
> I mean, for example, we've got a father inseminating his daughters in dungeons in Belgium, keeping his children prisoners in the dark in cupboards and under the rafters for most of their young life, only for the psychological mob, no more than modern-day witches, in my opinion, to flock to his aid and give the poor man every consideration, including social workers and counsellors and a raft of other New Age psychological gurus pouring pity on the man.
> It wasn't his fault. He missed his father when he was boy. His aunt looked at him the wrong way. He feels victimised (the 21st-century buzzword).
> No, I'm with the noble lord. We're going down the sink - fast.
> Best wishes - Soul Union. | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:57:10 PM | I wonder if anyone has studied the children of gay and lesbian couples, either those born or adopted, for sexual orientation ... my guess is that if gays have no choice, then it would not matter for them to have same sex parents. And how about midgets marrying and having children or people with Down's Syndrome marrying and having children? Dont they deserve a normal life? And what about poor people? Is it fair that one child is born to poor parents and another born to wealth? What about tall women and short men? What about people whose head is too big for their bodies marrying people whose head is too small for their bodies? Huh?
And what about all those people out there having........sex! I know I'm not one of them!
These people are the SCUM OF THE EARTH! They are sucking the life blood out of der Fatherlandt, draining our precious fluids ........if der Furher were alive today, he would roll over in his grave.
We need a Final Solution to this so-called modern society .......I propose that every man, woman and child turn every clock back to 1955. That'll do it! Hmmmmmmmmm................ | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:31:55 PM |
Has modern society evolved to a higher pointed or has it de-evolved to a lower primate state, where anything goes? By the example of thinking provided in your post, we're certainly flirting with regression. | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:53:23 PM |
Homosexuality is still defined as a form of mental illness.
Yikes. Even in China they removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses in 2001.
Sorry, didn't see much point in continuing to read after that statement. Sort of like opening up your astronomy textbook to see "It is unlikely that humans will ever land on the moon due to the soft cheesy surface". Why read more? | |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 11:53:33 PM | I just don't understand why people still think homosexuality is any sort of choice ? Isn't it glaringly obvious that it's an inherent trait ?
Think about it : Who would choose to be homosexual given the disrimination, the stereotypes, the general negative attention that homosexuality receives from society ? I can't fathom suddenly finding men sexually attractive. Frankly, the idea is repulsive to my nature. I mean, have you ever tried to actually imagine yourself in a homosexual relationship of any sort ? Try it. Seriously. It's an interesting thought experiment. Eventually what you discover is that you simply aren't attracted to other men sexually. The best you can do is to imagine yourself with a very feminine man who even looks the part. That's as far as I could go anyway. I'm not talking about the sexual act sthat more or less define homosexuality either. I simply mean any sort of romantic relationship with a member of the same sex.
That said, given the often brutal suppression of homosexuality throughout history , if it were any sort of conscious choice or even preference, there would be no homosexuals at all. No sane person would voluntarily admit to being a homosexual in medieval Europe or areas where fundamentalist Islam runs the show today. Nobody would choose this ; Homosexuals simply are what they are by birth. | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:04:56 AM | | OP; What I don't understand is why people care if other people are homosexuals or not. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 7:22:25 AM | | Look if homosexuality is somehow a sin in the eyes of God, I say we all let him deal with it when the proper time comes. Until then, let's let them live in peace and without discrimination. | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:41:15 AM | Modern Society is not any more full of perversity than it's ever been (both alternative orientations and horrific abuse have been around since day 1).....perversity does, however, have a much better marketing team these days.
Seriously, that it is now OK to talk about it, & it's the frequency of which we do so (titillating subject garner audience share) that makes it seem more prevalent.
The evil that brought this societal trend about is not 'sexual deviancy', but rather plain old fashioned Greed. Madison Ave is to blame...not those horrid little gay men that are so frightening to many.  | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 7:53:15 AM |
What I don't understand is why people care if other people are homosexuals or not. I could be imagining things, but there might be a clue to the root of a person's ideas about such things three lines below the headline on a person's profile if they have a photo up ... nine down if they do not.
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/17/2008 8:26:17 AM | OP your profile is disturbing.
You have more things to worry about than the sexual orientation of other people. | |
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vro312
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Joined: 11/22/2007
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/17/2008 8:33:57 AM |
I could be imagining things, but there might be a clue to the root of a person's ideas about such things three lines below the headline on a person's profile if they have a photo up ... nine down if they do not.
Three lines below the heading is height. I don't get your point.
Regarding the OP . . . as far as I can tell, ignorance and intolerance are two of the most serious social ills infecting our society. So maybe if we all take a long, hard look at ourselves and determine what it is that *we* are doing to contribute to the decline of western civilization, we would have neither the time nor the inclination to concern ourselves with what *other* people are doing. And, at least *one* of those festering sores would start clearing up.  | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 8:46:54 AM | You mentioned Soddom and Gemorrah. There is a problem with mentioning that. What is it? Well, the ancient Greeks had many people openly practicing homosexuality and there was no Jehovah showing his wrath to punish them over it. Every culture has different views when it comes to sex and sexuality.
I see a different problem then what you see, though we have some common ground.
I definitely diverge on using Soddom and Gemorrah when it comes to sex when you consider ancient Greece. Second, women and men are not that different from each other. It is a difference not simply of anatomy but also of energy. Some women are more masculine in their essences than some men, but they are still all women, in the end. Is the woman who seems masculine but is straight sick? I don't think so.
Why are you assuming someone who is a homosexual is mentally sick? They can be quite healthy psychologically and quite stable and happy.
In the West, we have a problem with people using sexuality in the wrong way. People are using sex as a tool, and we are not appreciating women for who they are beyond the sexual ectasy they can offer us males. There is more to a woman's feminity than her sexuality. In some cultures, they also prize women's energetic qualities as a female, her spirit, but we are more and more ignoring the spirit in women and men for just the outside. That's the major problem. We are more or less now commodities of the big elites who want us to buy this and that and make their pockets richer and richer... | |
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:24:46 AM | You know, unless you have NEVER once looked @ a skin mag or lusted over another human, you probably have NO business pointing fingers & judging other folks.
As a matter of fact, coming across as a judgemental & superior just might be a major contributing factor as to why someone might experience a lifetime of rejection from other members of the Human race. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 12:23:11 PM | As human beings ( or any animal species ) Isn't it our genetic responsibility to procreate ? I just always thought of homosexuals as the last line of natural selection. Once you become gay that's the end of the line for you and your Gene. kind of like you've come far eneough and now it's time to stop.
But as seinfeld say's " but there's nothing wrong with that" | |
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vro312
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Joined: 11/22/2007
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/17/2008 12:28:23 PM | Headline, not heading.
Isn't it our genetic responsibility to procreate ? I just always thought of homosexuals as the last line of natural selection.
Earth is overpopulated, so no . . . it's not a genetic responsibility. At this point, it seems like more of a genetic irresponsibility.
*Anyone* who doesn't have offspring is the end of the line. Maybe that's part of natural selection, but it's not like webbed feet. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 3:12:03 PM | I can see that one of the reasons there is a problem with your comprehension, is that I was not as precise as I could have been. My bad.
Msg:13 Revised:
I could be imagining things, but there might be a clue to the root of a person's ideas about such things to be found below 'Body Type' on a person's profile. | |
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vro312
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Joined: 11/22/2007
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| The nature of modern society
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:58:14 PM | ^^^^^
Thank you. I was starting to feel like a freakin' idiot. But actually, I had figured that out, and you're right, it *can* be quite telling.
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Posted: 5/17/2008 6:17:51 PM | What a bonehead. As long as people are happy and it does not hurt you, why the heck should it matter? I love people like you whose lives are so sad that you feel you need to run around shouting from the rooftops how open minded you are then try to bash something.
Oh and by the way - being gay has NOTHING to do with being transexual (A man who thinks that he is a woman, or a woman that thinks she is a man) and homosexuality (as was previously mention) was removed from the DSM (that is the book of mental illnesses) LONG ago.
Read a book and try to educate yourself before you open your mouth and your foot jumps in. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 6:27:22 PM | And I thought this might have been an interesting thread on where society is going. It turned out to be about someone with a number of issues that need to be taken care of.
Most likely they have taken it up the duke once or twice. Or, occasionally, they get a little tickle in their tush. Those gay guys can be real tricky, some of them even go see a Urologist a lot for no reason at all, just so them can get their piece handled by another man.
I did not bother to look more into the OP's nature. Waste of time. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 7:42:44 PM | | The nature of modern society, is akin to a gaping maw that is never satisfied by what it takes in... it becomes so insatiable, that it takes in the whole of the world, from horizon to horizon. Until, one day, there is nothing but conformity and complacency, only we don't see it that way, because we can no longer see the stars that inspire our dreams. | |
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