| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/16/2008 9:08:31 PM | Anyone ever heard of it. Supposedly took place sometime around October 28 , 1943 , in which the U.S. destroyer escort USS Eldridge was to be rendered invisible to human observers for a brief period of time.
Carlos Miguel Allende, claimed in the 1950s to have been a witness to a test at sea of a ship being made optically invisible using strong electromagnetic force fields when he was a sailor onboard the merchant marine vessel SS Furuseth in 1943. He also claimed that during another test (USS Eldridge) that went wrong, some of the men caught fire, went mad, and - the most bizarre of all, some were embedded halfway into the deck of the ship | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/17/2008 7:54:53 AM | There was a similar experiment made in Communist Hungary. They wanted to render a Paprika-grinding facility to be an English-speaking demagogue, which they planned to send to the Pentagon and make the US capitulate to Russki demands of letting the rockets stay in Cuba. (This is NOT conjecture. This actually happened.)
Something went wrong in the experiment, and instead of creating a robot ten stories tall that walked on two legs, and spewed communist slogans in English, they have created true-to-life multiple copies of Brigid Bardot reading copies of Marx's Communist Manifesto. The authorities immediately shut down the site and built an impenetrable stone wall around it. Three technologists were trapped in there, including my father. He'd send post cards to us, and complain that the Bardot replicas never could cook a decent pot of goulash, but hoo, boy, were they ever free of inhibitions. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/17/2008 8:40:02 AM | | I was sent a copy of a report about the experiment, but the envelope it came in arrived empty, or so I thought. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/17/2008 9:06:33 AM | According to some the US Navy was experimenting on ways to make ships invisible to mines and radar but according to them it caused the ships to become invisible and teleport,the US Navy has denied they ever did tests so we may never know what really happened: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm
The film was ok but I prefered "The Final Countdown". | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/17/2008 2:17:34 PM | This has been beaten to death, buried and dug up again repeatedly.
What "really happened" was- it never happened.
The USS Eldridge wasn't there.
Allende lied. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/18/2008 4:22:27 PM | The US gov't has buried a lot of things. During the 50's they developed an "atomic rocket"...and tested it. Modern archeologists found th test site, which was still a bit "hot" and found that the gov't had been doing experiments there with new technology. But...those people opposed to atomic energy being used for such things had it squelched. Much like they did in Canada for making tunnels through the Rockies. As far as this "disappearing ship" trick is concerned...it may well have happened. The ability to bend light is nothing new. Just the way of doing it and how much power it takes is where the technology comes in. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/18/2008 5:10:09 PM | Hardly a secret. from http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/N/NERVA.html:
Between 1959 and 1972, the Space Nuclear Propulsion Office oversaw 23 reactor tests, all at the Nuclear Rocket Development Station at AEC's Nevada Test Site, in Jackass Flats, Nevada, about 160 km (100 miles) west of Las Vegas. The KIWI and Phoebus series, Peewee-1, and the Nuclear Furnace 1, all conducted by LASL on the Rover side of the program to prove concepts and test advanced ideas. Aerojet and Westinghouse tested their own series for use in the NERVA engine: NRX-A2 (NERVA Reactor Experiment), A3, EST (Engine System Test), A5, A6, and XE-Prime (Experimental Engine).
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Nixon Administration cut NASA and NERVA funding dramatically. Eventually the NERVA/Rover program lost its funding altogether, and was terminated on Jan. 5, 1973. And the Navy's version of the "Philadelphia Experiment":
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/19/2008 4:55:42 AM | Its a really cool story- too bad its not true....
The most obvious example would be the fact the the ship in question was in the Bahamas during the proposed teleportation- in fact, according to its crew, that particular ship never harbored in Philly. Ever.
Another good example is you can see photo's of the ship after the alleged disaster
Like I said- its a fascinating story, but its not true. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/19/2008 1:53:30 PM | | I am going to see the movie, it does sound to be a good picture. I checked wikipedia for the real facts and I don't believe is is true either. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/19/2008 10:12:49 PM | Look up a guy named MICHAEL HUTCHINSON too... theres an 'effect' named after him. Apparently hes been experimenting with similar projects and came up with Levitation, invisibility, and possible PHAZING*sp of dimensional materials. MEANING, hes been passing NORMALLY solid objects, THROUGH each other. Metals embedded in wood, Metals in metals, turning metals into crumbling mush. Lots of neat stuff. UNTIL the US govt took all his stuff. He was a Canadian citizen at the time. Apparently hes caused a few blackouts too lol Guess thats why they shut him down. Some wealthy researchers in Europe tried funding him a while back too but the govt kept intervening somehow and never really accomplished much of his past events. Not sure where he is now or what hes doing. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/20/2008 6:37:28 AM | From Wikipedia:
John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor known for his claims of inventions and discoveries of a variety of extraordinary phenomena, which other researchers - and often Hutchison himself - have been unable to duplicate.
What he's doing now is defending his right to be a crackpot. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/20/2008 10:49:07 AM | All of us crackpots have that right! Now. Galileo didn't have that "right"...and was forced to recind his ideas...but what if he had not been? Would we of had helicopters and such long before we did? What level of technology could have been achieved? What level of tachnology has been achieved because we "gave" the "right" to be a crackpot to those who's ideas did not conform? (Ah well...the devil made me do it....crackpots and all...hehehehe)  | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/20/2008 12:36:11 PM |
All of us crackpots have that right! Now. Galileo didn't have that "right"...and was forced to recind his ideas...but what if he had not been?
Here is the canonical cackpot index. Test yourself:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
Note that you've already racked up 40 points for that one comment alone. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/20/2008 12:42:09 PM | The Philadelphia Experiment has also been called "Project Rainbow." A comprehensive search of the Archives has failed to identify records of a Project Rainbow relating to teleportation or making a ship disappear. In the 1940s, the code name RAINBOW was used to refer to the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis. The RAINBOW plans were the war plans to defeat Italy, Germany and Japan. RAINBOW V, the plan in effect on 7 December 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, was the plan the U.S. used to fight the Axis powers.
The crew of the civilian merchant ship SS Andrew Furuseth observed the arrival via teleportation of the Eldridge into the Norfolk area. Andrew Furuseth's movement report cards are in the Tenth Fleet records in the custody of the Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Admnistration, (8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001), which also has custody of the action reports, war diaries and deck logs of all World War II Navy ships, including Eldridge. | |
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| The Philadelphia Experiment Posted: 5/20/2008 1:00:05 PM | Galileo's >>"observations"<< of natural phenomena could have been easily duplicated by anyone with the methodology, the tools, the discipline, and the desire- as they eventually were.
Interesting comparison between Galileo and helicopters. Interesting, but completely irrelevant.
The biggest impetus to helicopter development was WW2. Germany had a couple of operational helicopters, the Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri and the Focke Achgelis Fa 223 Drache, the US had the Sikorsky R4, R5, and R6 (built in larger numbers than both of the German craft). Although there were a number of more or less independent inventors working on helicopters, eventual success was a collaborative effort. For example, Sikorsky's craft made use of several of Juan de la Cierva's autogyro ideas.
Actually, rotary wing craft had been a concept for hundreds of years. Development became possible only after light but powerful engines were designed.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter:
Since 400 AD, Chinese children have played with bamboo flying tops. This toy made its way to Europe and is depicted in a 1463 European painting.[5] Pao Phu Tau (???) was a 4th-century book in China reported to describe some of the ideas inherent to rotary wing aircraft:[6] “ Someone asked the master about the principles of mounting to dangerous heights and traveling into the vast inane. The Master said, "Some have made flying cars with wood from the inner part of the jujube tree, using ox-leather [straps] fastened to returning blades so as to set the machine in motion."[7] ”
Leonardo da Vinci conceived a machine that could be described as an "aerial screw".[8] He wrote that he made small flying models [9] but could not stop the rotor from making the whole craft rotate. Later machines would more closely resemble the ancient bamboo flying top, with spinning wings rather than screws.
In July 1754, Mikhail Lomonosov showed the Russian Academy of Sciences a small coaxial rotor powered by a wound-up spring, intended to lift meteorological instruments.[9]
In 1783, Christian de Launoy, and his mechanic, Bienvenu, made a model pair of counter-rotating rotors (not coaxial) using turkey's flight feathers as rotor blades, and in 1784 demonstrated it to the French Academy of Sciences.[9]
In 1861, the word "helicopter" was coined by Gustave de Ponton d'Amécourt,[9] a French inventor who demonstrated a small steam-powered model.
From 1860 to 1880, many small helicopter models were designed and made.[9] These included Alphonse Pénaud's model coaxial rotors, powered by twisted rubber bands (1870). Enrico Forlanini's unmanned helicopter was powered by a steam engine. It was the first of its type that rose to a height of 13 meters, where it remained for some 20 seconds, after a vertical take-off from a park in Milan (1877). Emmanuel Dieuaide's design featured counter-rotating rotors and was steam-powered through a hose from a boiler on the ground (1877). Melikoff designed a "man carrier," but it was almost certainly not built (1877). Dandrieux's design had counter-rotating rotors and a 7.7-pound (3.5-kilogram) steam engine. It rose more than 40 feet (12 meters) and flew for 20 seconds (circa 1878).
In the 1880s, Thomas Edison experimented with small helicopter models in the USA. First he used a guncotton-powered engine, but it caused damage by explosions, and tests were ended. Next he used an electric motor. His tests showed that a large rotor with low blade area was needed.
Ján Bahýl, a Slovak inventor, developed a model helicopter powered by an internal combustion engine, that in 1901 reached a height of 0.5 meters. On 5 May 1905, his helicopter reached four meters in altitude and flew for over 1,500 meters.[10]
No crackpots needed, just rational experimentation, good design, hard work, and >>"verifiable"<< results.
...and it's "rescind," or maybe you meant "recant." | |
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