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 bob0colo

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Nintendo Wii, meets Ethanol, home brew and Mexican Sugar...
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:29:34 PM
This looks interesting...





Ethanol, the ultimate home brew
By Michael Fitzgerald
Sunday, April 27, 2008

What if you could make fuel for your car in your backyard for less than you pay at the pump? Would you?

The first question has driven Floyd Butterfield for more than two decades. Butterfield, 52, is something of a legend for people who make their own ethanol. In 1982, he won a California Department of Food and Agriculture contest for best design of an ethanol still, albeit one that he could not market profitably at the time.

Now he thinks that he can, thanks to his partnership with the Silicon Valley entrepreneur Thomas Quinn. The two have started E-Fuel, which soon will announce its home ethanol system, the E-Fuel 100 MicroFueler. It will be about as large as a stackable washer-dryer, sell for $9,995 and ship before year-end.

The net cost to consumers could drop by half after government incentives for alternate fuels, like tax credits, are applied.

The MicroFueler will use sugar as its main fuel source, or feedstock, along with a specially packaged time-release yeast the company has developed. Depending on the cost of sugar, plus water and electricity, the company says it could cost as little as a dollar a gallon to make ethanol. In fact, Quinn sometimes collects left-over alcohol from bars and restaurants in Los Gatos, California, where he lives, and turns it into ethanol; the only cost is for the electricity used in processing.

In general, he says, burning a gallon of ethanol made by his system will produce one-eighth the carbon of the same amount of gasoline.

"It's going to cause havoc in the market and cause great financial stress in the oil industry," Quinn boasts.

He may well turn out to be right. But brewing ethanol in the backyard isn't as easy as barbecuing hamburgers. Distilling large quantities of ethanol typically has required a lot of equipment, says Daniel Kammen, director of the Renewable and Appropriate Energy Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley. In addition, he says that quality control and efficiency of home brew usually pale compared with those of commercial refineries. "There's a lot of hurdles you have to overcome. It's entirely possible that they've done it, but skepticism is a virtue," Kammen says.

Quinn, 53, has been involved with successful innovations before. For instance, he patented the motion sensor technology used in Nintendo's wildly popular Wii gaming system.

More to the point, he was the product marketing manager for Alan Shugart's pioneering hard disk drive when the personal computer was shifting from a hobbyists' niche to a major industry. "I remember people laughing at us and saying what a stupid idea it was to do that disk drive," Quinn says.

Butterfield thinks that the MicroFueler is as much a game changer as the personal computer. He says that working with Quinn's microelectronics experts — E-Fuel now employs 15 people — has led to breakthroughs that have cut the energy requirements of making ethanol in half. One such advance is a membrane distiller, which, Quinn says, uses extremely fine filters to separate water from alcohol at lower heat and in fewer steps than in conventional ethanol refining. Using sugar as a feedstock means that there is virtually no smell, and its water byproduct will be drinkable.

E-Fuel has bold plans: It intends to operate internationally from the start, with production of the MicroFueler in China and Britain as well as the United States. And Butterfield is already at work on a version for commercial use, as well as systems that will use feedstocks other than sugar.

Ethanol has long had home brewers, and permits are available through the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau. (You must be a property owner and agree to make your ethanol outdoors.) But there are plenty of reasons to question whether personal fueling systems will become the fuel industry's version of the personal computer.

For starters, sugar-based ethanol doesn't look much cheaper than gas. It takes up to 14 pounds, or 6.5 kilograms, of sugar to make a gallon of ethanol, and raw sugar sells in the United States for about 20 cents a pound, says Michael Salassi, a professor in the department of agricultural economics at Louisiana State University. But Quinn says that as of January this year, under the North American Free Trade Agreement, he can buy inedible sugar from Mexico for as little as 2.5 cents a pound, which puts the math in his favor. While this type of sugar has not been sold to consumers, E-Fuel says it is developing a distribution network for it.

In addition, it's illegal in the United States to operate a car on 100 percent ethanol, with exceptions for off-road vehicles like Indy cars and farm equipment. Quinn has a U.S. permit to make his own fuel, and believes that if MicroFuelers start popping up like swimming pools, regulators will adapt by certifying pure ethanol for cars.

Despite all the hurdles, Quinn and Butterfield may be on to something. There are plenty of consumers who want to reduce their carbon footprint and are willing to make an upfront investment to do it — consider the success of the Prius.

And if oil prices continue to rise, the economics of buying a MicroFueler will become only better and better.
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 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:37:26 PM
Interesting, and a nice find. Thanks for sharing.

Add to that something like biodiesel from used cooking oils, and you start to make a dent in things, if you also mandate efficient cars by law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil_used_as_fuel



Mr MacDonald visits about 100 restaurants in Glasgow collecting used cooking oil that would otherwise be thrown away.

He uses it to make about 4,000 litres of biodiesel a week, and has built up a dedicated band of about 200 customers, including taxi drivers, HGV drivers and regular motorists.

The first time he put the biodiesel in his van he was terrified about what would happen.

"My heart was in my mouth. I was expecting it to explode or to just stop, but it just went on and on and on."

He has now driven 30,000 miles in the van, all powered bybiodiesel.
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Frydrive-how-waste-cooking-oil.4070247.jp



http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html


Look at the city of San Francisco.



"... any restaurant with a deep fryer produces a steady stream of waste vegetable oil (WVO). ... [which] is generally stored and picked up by chemical companies, ... In some parts of the country the oil is just thrown away."

"But it's relatively easy to turn WVO into a fuel, ... SFPUC official Lewis Harrison stated that at least 1 million gallons of biodiesel could be produced ... which is "more than enough" to run the city's entire bus fleet on B20. Since WVO is a waste stream, offsetting petro-diesel usage with WVO biodiesel is particularly advantageous: the use of 1 million gallons of WVO-biodiesel would offset 19,600,000 lbs (9800 tons) of carbon dioxide emissions each year. It also has significant economic and public health benefits: municipal biodiesel production should beat the $4/gallon price of fuel in San Francisco, and B20 biodiesel blends cut diesel soot emissions by 20-40%.

http://www.greentechnolog.com/2007/07/san_francisco_puc_
to_make_biodiesel_from_used_cook.html


Run an entire city's bus system - on stuff you throw away ?



One gallon of used motor oil when recycled yields the same amount of refined lubricating oil--2.5 quarts-- as 42 gallons of crude oil. Recycle your used motor oil!!!

According to one expert, if America refined the billion gallons of motor oil they use every year, we would save 1.3 million barrels of oil every day, which represents half the daily output of the Alaska Pipeline.

Boosting the fuel efficiency of cars in the United States by a mere 1.5 miles-per-gallon would save more oil than is estimated to lie under the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

http://www.summitrecyclers.com/did_you_know.html


There are literally tons of ways to reduce pollution, run vehicles economically. A grass roots push for these, and efficient cars, would vastly reduce the problems of today.

Welcome to the future.
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:43:18 PM
Interesting, but relies on importing inedible, unrefined sugar from Mexico to be economically viable, and you can bet the price of sugar will rise exponentially if this takes off. You also need to convert your car to run on E85 at minimum, if it isn't already, E99 if you want to be totally self-reliant in fuel.
You can build a still and make 180-190 proof ethanol for a lot less than $9,999, but the key is going to be that cheap sugar. They may not be willing to sell it to those who choose not to buy their expensive processing machine.
 loveoregon

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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:44:29 PM
Yeah, I heard about this thing on the radio while trucking through PA the other day.

I wonder if it is possible to buy stock in it. Or maybe in the sugar?
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:54:18 PM
Ever read about the "bio-bus" ?


Biotour.org's bus can get halfway across the country on a single fill of waste vegetable oil ( WVO ).

They get their fuel from the used oil tank behind restaurants.
All processing of incoming oil takes place right on the bus, mostly while it's in motion. That means heating, water separation and filtration. They get about 10 mpg on veggie oil, which is about the same as they do on diesel.

This bus is a VEGGIE DIESEL bus, that can burn straight vegetable oil, as well as regular diesel or biodiesel.

It's a "two-tank" system, which means the bus has a small tank of biodiesel (or diesel) to start the engine, and then they switch to straight vegetable oil when the engine is hot.

For the uninitiated, Biodiesel is veggie oil that's been subjected to a chemical process so it's thin and runny (lower viscosity) all the time and can be run in unmodified diesel engines. This bus runs on straight veggie oil, no reaction needed. It only requires biodiesel or diesel fuel except for starting and shutting down the engine.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Biotour.org-Waste-Vegetable-
Oil-Conversion-Diesel-/www.biotour.org


You can run it on straight waste vegetable oil, after it's started. Just think, pull into any McDonald's , order a meal, and then supersize your gas tank for free.


A man in Mississippi, Robert Tomey, recently converted his two cars to run on vegetable oil. Using systems he bought from Greasecar, an online provider of veggie fuel systems, his Ford pickup and VW Beetle now emit a pleasant, french-fry-like odor and require just a bit of diesel to get them going. The irony: he owns four McDonalds franchises; thus, his supply of grease is nearly unlimited. "I throw away 10,000 gallons of grease every year from all my locations," Tomey said. "I have more than I can use." It's sure nice to see him putting some of that grease to good use (he thinks he could run a small fleet of 20-30 cars on the waste grease from his four locations), but, while McDonalds the corporation has made strides in social and environmental responsibility of late, they are far from perfect. We could go round and round about this one: "McDonalds is a large, un-sustainable, dirty corporation. Period." vs. "McDonalds is a large corporation that isn't going anywhere; might as well make the best of it and begin to close the loop. Congratulations to this man for starting to make a difference." We're leaning toward the latter.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/03/mcdonalds_owner.php


http://www.greasecar.com/


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 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/17/2008 5:01:13 PM

I wonder if it is possible to buy stock in it. Or maybe in the sugar?

Yup, this is where that evil "speculation" begins. People might actually try to make money from this...
 jmarquise

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Posted: 5/17/2008 5:12:43 PM
I don't think that it's bad to make money from an idea. but to monopolize an idea is bad. the 17 year patents that they have over prescription drugs is where the evil comes in. make your money, but then let others improve on your idea. this is why ben franklin didn't patent any of his inventions.
 loveoregon

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Posted: 5/17/2008 5:13:29 PM
Yup, this is where that evil "speculation" begins. People might actually try to make money from this...

What can I say? I'm just another capitalist pig like Bin Laden says I am. :)
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/17/2008 5:41:30 PM
Me too. Seriously, the real money is in that cheap sugar, and you can bet it won't take long for the sugar price to rise to the point where it's just as expensive to make ethanol with this process as to buy gasoline at the pump.
Smart money cashes out when the price of sugar makes it cost 90% of the price of gas.
Can you say "sugar beets?"
 jmarquise

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Posted: 5/17/2008 5:45:26 PM
from my understanding, brazil is energy independent, yet we put insane taxes on the sugar they want to export to the states. I don't think that the government wants us to be energy independent. it's just another excuse for us to choose sides. jesus, we can go to the moon, we can do this, we can do that, but we can't create an alternative to fuel? I would be happy with a car that ran on splenda or sweet and low.
 Beaugrand®™©

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Posted: 5/17/2008 6:47:40 PM
Brazil makes sugar from sugar cane, which is fermented, then distilled, to produce ethanol. The US uses corn, which has to use a far more complex and less efficient process to make ethanol; there is very little actual gain over just using gasoline, the ethanol process in the US is simply a giveaway program for ADM. If we could grow sugar cane in the US it would be a very different story, but we can't. Sugar beets are another option but the government is deeply invested in corn. Hopefully we can use other forms of biomass, like switchgrass, in the very near future, and make changes in the way ethanol is produced.

BioButanol is a better fuel, and uses many of the same feedstocks as ethanol, replaces gasoline 1 for 1 and can be used in unmodified, non-E85 vehicles, has 110,000 BTU/gallon vs gasoline's 125,000 BTU/gallon and ethanol's 85,000 BTU/gallon.

The tax on imported sugar is purely political. Actually has nothing to do with ethanol production; it might be possible to lobby to import inedible, "fuel-grade" sugar from Brazil at a lower tariff rate.

Can you say "opportunity?"
 jmarquise

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Posted: 5/17/2008 6:57:40 PM
this just enhances my theory that the government doesn't want us to be energy independent. question, we don't grow sugar in this country anymore? I thought we grew it in the deep south? not surprising if we don't. we used to grow a ton of rice in this country too, now there are rice shortages! the government prevents the free market.
 bob0colo

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Posted: 5/17/2008 11:35:50 PM
Or We could grow sugar beets...... Grows in a Much wider area than Sugar cane...

The Cuba Exiles are a big lobby for Sugar cane...
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