| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 10:09:41 AM | .... "Elect us, and we will produce a commonsense plan to help
bring down the price of gasoline at the pump."
I guess that's about the same as the promise to get us out of Iraq.
Boy, they sure have accomplished A LOT since taking over the
House and Senate. And we were ignorant enough to BELIEVE them.
Dayna
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 11:49:30 AM | Many of her supports use the excuse that it requires a 2/3 majority to get it passed and then there is the Presidential veto.. but, Congress has the power to come back with an override of the president's veto.
The Dems said they would get it done..regardless. Didn't happen. Go figure. Prices have risen dramatically instead. Commodity prices have skyrocked. The SEC has shown it's hand and is backing Obama. The SEC could have taken measures to minimize what has happened. The high prices are Dem. driven.
Much of Wall Street and 'Hollywood' are Dem. supporters. This gives their candidate a lot of leverage on Commodities/Stocks and their warchest (campaign funding). This election, they are throwing their support to Obama ... | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 11:54:35 AM |
Reason for Requested Deletion: Redundant subject
VERY interesting that people want this thread deleted.
I don't consider this a "redundant subject". It is a VERY
valid comment that NOTHING has been accomplished
regarding the promised reduction in gas prices. Promises
were made, and were not kept. What is wrong with bringing
this to the table of this forum, and discussing it?
Why is it that anytime someone wants to bring out the TRUTH
of what is happening in our government, that people want
to bury their heads in the sand, and keep the information
from getting out?
Dayna
http://www.ronpaul2008.com | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 12:09:13 PM | People who lives in darkness, doesn't like the light of truth to come out.
Why is it that anytime someone wants to bring out the TRUTH
of what is happening in our government, that people want
to bury their heads in the sand, and keep the information
from getting out? Especially if it's against something they support. But really, who believes any thing Nancy Pelosi says anyway? | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 12:39:58 PM | If you are going to have a redundant thread, at least be creative?
It has been Four Score minus 78 years. . . Since Pelosi promised to lower gas. . .
Too bad our government doesn't work that way, because if we had the power to change things, perhaps we could reverse all the damage that has been done since the Reagan Administration! | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 1:05:56 PM | This is such BS it isn't even funny. I am so tired of people who don't understand how our system works, complaining about the wrong people!
No, the Democrats haven't done enough! They should have shut the government down until things changed. But that would have cost those whom they represent, not those in power. That is why they didn't. But to claim it is a lack of bipartisanship is simply ignorance!
There should be no capitulation to a group that has so destroyed everything this country stands for in the name of Greed.
Our occupation of Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism, THEY DIDN'T ATTACK US!!! It was about securing more oil profits by reducing the supply and driving up profits. For once, the Bush Administration can claim "Mission Accomplished!"
But this absolutely inaccurate and ignorant placing of responsibility on the Democrats WON'T work, as proven already by the two republican strong holds turnd Democratic over the past year. Many more to follow in November! | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 1:32:49 PM | | So then electing a certain political to a majority that promises to do something and it doesn't get done it's the other political party's fault? I need to take this up with Mr. Spock and see if there is any logic there. I know...Mr. Spock is only fiction...like stopping the war...government ethics...bring down gas prices...bi-partisanship. By the way can you name some things Pelosi promised that she did actually do? | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 1:44:25 PM | | Perhaps that is the GOP strategy with the Magic Wand issue. . . Maybe they plan on burning her at the stake for being a witch? It has been awhile since the Conservative burned anyone at the stake, maybe if they accuse HER of having the magic wand Bush was talking about??? | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 1:59:45 PM | It is time to vote all those bums out. I can only thank god the Bush / Cheney regime will come to an end soon. We start there then get some people in there that actually care about the American people rather than who puts the most money in their pocket.
Nancy Pelosi is no different than any of them, she just prays to different special interest groups that pay her the same green as the republicans that pay for Bush / Cheney and the rest of them. Sadly none of those interests are for the American people. | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 2:11:53 PM | The "Bush/Cheney regime" doesn't make the laws in the US. They never have.
And oh, by the way.... nowhere does the US Constitution say that it is the govenment's job to make sure you are protected from bad things like high gasoline prices. | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 2:36:56 PM |
Since when is the house and senate also oil CEO's? Last I heard, the CEO's of oil corporations control such.
They don't control it either, although they probably have more to do with it than Congress does. It's mostly driven by market forces. A lot of things going on way outside the sope of control of the US Congress have more to do with it. It's mostly a supply and demand issue, IMO. Worldwide demand for oil keeps growing, and the supply of oil isn't keeping up. This sort of situation always results in increasing prices.
Hypothetically, if Congresswere to pass a law limiting the price of oil to say, $80 per barrel, what do you think might happen? My guess is, we'd have NO OIL or petroleum products available in the US. Why? What fool would sell it here for $80, when he could sell it elsewhere for $120?
Pelosi's promise was an empty lie. Congress can do very little to affect the price of gasoline or any other petroleum products. | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 3:07:11 PM |
They don't control it either, although they probably have more to do with it than Congress does. It's mostly driven by market forces. A lot of things going on way outside the sope of control of the US Congress have more to do with it. It's mostly a supply and demand issue, IMO. Worldwide demand for oil keeps growing, and the supply of oil isn't keeping up. This sort of situation always results in increasing prices.
Hypothetically, if Congresswere to pass a law limiting the price of oil to say, $80 per barrel, what do you think might happen? My guess is, we'd have NO OIL or petroleum products available in the US. Why? What fool would sell it here for $80, when he could sell it elsewhere for $120?
Pelosi's promise was an empty lie. Congress can do very little to affect the price of gasoline or any other petroleum products.
First, don't think I'm disagreeing with you...because I am agreeing. I addressed the 'market trading' factor in another thread recently. And, that is a large aspect. What gets me that the Exchanges can apply brakes when needed.
Most Global pricing is based on USA exchanges. If brakes are applied, it would not be a matter of 'selling' it somewhere else because the 'price discovery' is established and that is what it is.
Once I learned that the SEC is backing Obama, that worries me. Reason: Perception. Once the Democrats did their run/blitz and gained the seats, Commodity Prices (Oil especially) rose. Thing is Markets are driven by perception... and that can skew the actual 'Supply/Demand' aspect. Supply/Demand is considered 'Fundamental trading' and trading off of charts/graphs, etc. is 'Technical trading'. Anyway, the perception right now (and btw, Wall Street is predomin. Dem.).. is that there will be a Dem. President this election...specifically Obama. When McCain is elected... we will see Commodity pricing plunge...oil included. It's the Market dynamics... it is as it is. If it looks like, as time wears on, that it will not be close and McCain (a Rep. party Candidate) is going to take it, we will see the Markets go erratic and drop prior to Nov.
Just an observation. I could be right or wrong. Will see. | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 3:39:28 PM | Gasoline is high right now for a few reasons:
iraqi production is about 50% of what it was prior to us going there (remember though that democrats also voted for us to go there, a lot of them too. This isnt a Bush only thing were dealing with on Iraq like many people think. heck one of the major candidates running voted to go to Iraq and she is given a free pass on that because she was "duped" into it by GW Bush, a person she regards as an idiot. Well if hes an idiot and he was able to fool you............Why should i vote for you?
China and India are still drastically growing. Their desire for oil is getting larger by the minute. naturally international markets go to them if there is a demand for it.
new refineries are almost impossible to build up to the new Environmental laws that have been passed. It's almost to the point of being not economically feasible to build new refineries. Its like that for a lot of energy companies. The two biggest it hits are oil and nuclear. the second of which is the cleanest and safest fuel using source of energy on the planet. a new plant is estimated to cost around $6 billion dollars, companies would recoup what they put just into building the facility in 13 or 14 years without paying for anything else. Refineries are the same way. Hence oil companies don't build new ones, but continue to use old technology in old refineries to make our gasoline. The problem is that our dependancy on oil has risen while maximum refining output has stayed relatively constant. Old machinery is doing what old machinery does....break. etc etc etc.
other environmental regulations increasing the gas prices are the inability of oil companies to drill where there are monsterous reserves off the US coasts, particularly Texas and Florida and Alaska.
And then, in their infinite wisdom, when politicians promissed lowered gas prices, they try to railroad the very industry they attempt to limit greatly in their ability to produce a product every American depends on. Calling on "windfall profits" when the industry made so much because prices are so high (something largely based on the government itself). heck their profit margin was less than hundreds of other industries, they just sell huge volumes. so they promise to lower gas prices (political pandering) and then try to increase taxes on Oil (which will raise prices). Then they try to temprarily repeal one of the actual constitutional taxes (gas tax) while neglecting the unconstitutional ones (death tax, income tax) with no way of getting money for the things the gas tax pays for (our crumbling infrastructire.....roads and bridges). When the hell will this kind of crap end?
There are about 5 congressmen i actual admire in both the house and senate right now. The rest, we need to get rid of them. I don't trust most of the supreme court memebers brought in since Thomas either, so i say get rid of them as well. | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 3:54:48 PM | Is the falling value of the U.S. Dollar also part of why gas prices are so high?
Oil is priced in dollars and dollars buy less these days... so the people with the oil want more dollars for it?
Why is the dollar so low? How big a hand did the U.S. have in driving it down... partly to correct the trade deficit? | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 4:08:30 PM | I blame the Dems and the repugs for what we are in now.
The Dems were elected because people were finally waking up to the truth of what this maniacal regime has been doing. The Dems have done nothing to combat them.
I know, give them a hard time about funding this illegal and immoral war and then just give them the money anyways. The moment she took impeachment off the table she was in collusion with them IMO.
When w took office gas was $1.46 a gal.
Dayna, Progressive have had it with her also! | |
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| It's been 756 days since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said....
Posted: 5/19/2008 4:27:27 PM | .
new refineries are almost impossible to build up to the new Environmental laws that have been passed. It's almost to the point of being not economically feasible to build new refineries. Its like that for a lot of energy companies. The two biggest it hits are oil and nuclear. the second of which is the cleanest and safest fuel using source of energy on the planet. a new plant is estimated to cost around $6 billion dollars, companies would recoup what they put just into building the facility in 13 or 14 years without paying for anything else. Refineries are the same way. Hence oil companies don't build new ones, but continue to use old technology in old refineries to make our gasoline. The problem is that our dependancy on oil has risen while maximum refining output has stayed relatively constant. Old machinery is doing what old machinery does....break. etc etc etc.
Using this logic all we really need to do is build a few million gas stations.... There is no shortage of refinery capacity. We are exporting Diesel.
Refinery does not effect price of a barrel of oil......
The interest rates do.... ....
A 1% interest rate and we will be over $4 a gallon
other environmental regulations increasing the gas prices are the inability of oil companies to drill where there are monsterous reserves off the US coasts, particularly Texas and Florida and Alaska.
How about Jeb Bush preventing drilling off Florida ??? | |
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