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Posted: 12/12/2008 11:20:19 AM | why is it that conservative threads are constantly allowed to be deleted by the few who will dog a person constantly...Like a stalker?
I have started several threads...threads that others have written me in my private email with positive comment on them....
This is a form of censorship terrorism...My new thread was on there hardly long enough for anyone to see it...except the typical regulars who dog me. and constantly delete me...
I put alot of time and effort into composing these threads so surely you can see why it is so upsetting to me...to have my time wasted..
Is there a way that things can be a bit more fair in this area? Perhaps give others a chance to at least see the thread .....instead of allowing the 'thread terrorists' to come in and shut up the opposition...
Others like me are also complaining about this same thing...they just gave up and quit posting...how could that make anyone feel good to supress anothers opinion...not even give them a chance to express it...
I have never had ANYONE deleted and i have definatly had grounds to do so...but feel that would be an inbecilic option.
Its sad that those on here who seek to silence the opposition probably had the impression of theirselves that they are just UNABLE TO COMPETE...so censorship is their only option...too bad...we all loose in that enviroment.
Are perhaps conservatives just not welcome here on POF?
If so....how can one ever have the information needed to form an intellegent opinion on a subject...to have both sides presented...not only the liberal side over and over and over...Is the competition just to harsh for those who seek to always delete? Some of these subjects are important to all of us...
When I came here I thought mature conversations and debates would be my experience, but not so...there are those who seem to have control issues and seem to love to censor other peoples opinions.
There is no way to exchange different opinions with this censorship allowed to flourish...unless thats not the objective on these forums...
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Posted: 12/12/2008 11:42:30 AM | | I seem to recall reading in another thread that people who vote to delete threads incorrectly or for the wrong reasons eventually have their voting privileges revoked. I don't know how or if that's really being enforced or if the mods have the ability to go back and revive such threads. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2008 11:50:44 AM | HI...They say they cannot retrieve the threads...which is why I belive they should give the new threads a few days to see if they are good or not...
We are losing valuable information exchange with the serial deleters...
that would be good if one could revoke their privelges...one guy has it out for me on here and hes constantly everywhere i am...i know he deletes my threads...
It just shows the he has no confidence in his views as he must silence the opposition...
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Posted: 12/12/2008 12:13:26 PM | ^^^Pity for you is it's the one stalker that's allowed to run around laying smarmy flame baits daily in here and then getting you tossed. The game's been going on a lot longer than you've been around here. You'll just end up as another in a long long line of folks that no longer partake in forum discussions because of malcontents like the one you're hinting about.
Don't ask me how he gets away with it daily on here. It's bizarre to say the least, and he seems to have carte blanche with it as well which makes it all the more lame. And if you do shoot something back, it's you that gets the time off not him. Most of those threads are so dead now these days anyway, you're just better off letting him play all alone in the little sandbox. Not saying i agree with you much on some of your opinions, but i've watched you get shot down daily in here with your attempts at discussion. You're persistent, I'll give you that.
Most folks have moved onto other forums now rather than deal with the smarmy responses that come out of that poster daily. Just pretend you're like a professional babysitter and ignore him is what most folks do.
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Posted: 12/12/2008 12:57:18 PM | I don't think the OP is being entirely fair to her stalker(s) or those who don't share her opinion here in her depiction.
It has less to do with your point of view and all how you illustrate it. Speaking as a former moderator I can point out to you that in your last few posts that I have seen removed, you have broken a few of the sites key rules, not the least of which have been plagiarism. You can't cut and paste huge sections of other people's work and not provide the citation or weblink from where you obtained it. That's a major no-no.
Plus, the use of deliberately inflammatory language...
You know in the illustration of freedom of speech they don't make guarantees for "fighting words" or shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. It's there to protect opinion, not just to slag people.
And the rules of this site regarding it's limitations on Freedom of Speech are very clear.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts3357340.aspx
If you read the rules, stuck to them and kept your posts within the rules I suspect you and others would have a lot less posts deleted. The point of view, conservative or liberal is immaterial, so long as the tone is not outright antagonistic. If you want an example of someone who can express himself and has yet - as far as I have seen - to have a post deleted, study Montreal Guy's posts. You might not like the content, but he always gets his point across in a classy and clear manner without crossing the line. I aim to do that myself although sometimes I fear I fall short...practice makes perfect | |
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Posted: 12/12/2008 2:16:08 PM | I don't know how or if that's really being enforced or if the mods have the ability to go back and revive such threads.
Absolutely, the Moment we see someone who votes to have Bonafide Threads deleted, or votes to approve Chat, Off-Topic & Troll Threads ... Voting Privileges revoked. No Recourse.
They say they cannot retrieve the threads...which is why I belive they should give the new threads a few days to see if they are good or not...
Then another "Oversight" Position would be required, for which the Admin has not allocated Resources for.
...i know he deletes my threads...
It requires at least 7 Voters to toast a Thread.
You can't cut and paste huge sections of other people's work and not provide the citation or weblink from where you obtained it. That's a major no-no.
No posting of any copyrighted Articles at all. Provide only the Link as a Reference. For Excerpts, provide a Link too or Reference.
As far a Plagiarism on Excerpts are concerned, it is rather obvious when a paragraph or 2 have been edited/modified somewhat, but remains a "Gray Zone", in that many smaller local Papers do exactly that, often using "canned" substitution Words/Phrases.
Posting Quotes/Statements from People/Groups such as a Politician/Political Party "who said what" is not copyrighted by anyone.
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Posted: 12/12/2008 6:33:50 PM | Thanx for the input....very helpful...
Absolutely, the Moment we see someone who votes to have Bonafide Threads deleted, or votes to approve Chat, Off-Topic & Troll Threads ... Voting Privileges revoked. No Recourse.
So is the the person who wants to delete the thread that determines if one is kicked off here for a bit? Or does the moderator do that?
It requires at least 7 Voters to toast a Thread.
Can a person push delete more than once? Because one thread I started only me and 2 or 3 others were on there...it was also deleted...and one of them was the 'stalker'..so to speak.
No posting of any copyrighted Articles at all. Provide only the Link as a Reference. For Excerpts, provide a Link too or Reference.
As far a Plagiarism on Excerpts are concerned, it is rather obvious when a paragraph or 2 have been edited/modified somewhat, but remains a "Gray Zone", in that many smaller local Papers do exactly that, often using "canned" substitution Words/Phrases.
Im not sure how that works yet...How does one know if it is copyrighted? Is it posted somewhere in the article? Am I understanding correctly that it is o.k. to quote a small portion if a link is provided...but not the entire article? How much is acceptable to quote..
Thanx for your input..I do appreciate it...I enjoy doing this, but sometimes a bit frustrating to work so hard on a thread only to have it deleted within an hour..just doesnt feel right..I really cant understand why some are so into deleting other peoples threads..I would never do that to anyone...I believe in the exchange of ideas...not censorship by fellow posters who delete because they feel Im not right..Everyone deserves the chance to express theirselves and we ALL from time to time go to far with our tempers and say stupid things, but its just par for the course in my opinion.. No need for them to get all balled up about it...LOL
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Posted: 12/12/2008 7:26:50 PM | Thanx for your input..I do appreciate it...I enjoy doing this, but sometimes a bit frustrating to work so hard on a thread only to have it deleted within an hour
Well then perhaps the passages from the following Acceptable Use & Posting Rules and Forum Posting Guidelines need to be writen out a few hundred times like they were back in grade school, because either one of two things are happening here
- The majority of the frequent fliers aren't clueing in to how to properly debate and discuss an issue
or
- The frequent fliers don't give a crap
My observations lie in a combination of both, and as long as the BS in those threads continue, this so called hard work will continue to be trashed until
- the users start "getting it", the rules that is
or
- the trouble makers will vanish of their own accord, or are taken down one by one regardless of political views
..just doesnt feel right..I really cant understand why some are so into deleting other peoples threads..
the understanding.or lack thereof, is a as plain as the steam off a pile of fresh cow droppings.
The continual personal addressing of each other with trolling quips is incessant, and needs to be stopped, or the present course will continue.
I would never do that to anyone...
Most won't so that they can keep on the flame bait festival alive under the guise of Mother Theresa ...
I believe in the exchange of ideas...
do so within the construct of the posted rules and there won't be any problems
not censorship by fellow posters who delete because they feel Im not right..
back up any position with cited material, not simply copy pasted nonsense from partisan sites that hold as much water as a pair of depends after 3 large coffees.
Everyone deserves the chance to express theirselves and we ALL from time to time go to far with our tempers and say stupid things,
try daily, 3 times by one person today that won't go named - that is not from time to time, far from it.
but its just par for the course in my opinion.. No need for them to get all balled up about it...LOL
It would seem to be that everyone's nerves are balled up tighter than a crippled chicken at a cougar convention during the lunch buffet, and I'm about to ring the dinner bell if things don't simmer down.
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Posted: 12/12/2008 7:33:19 PM | So is the the person who wants to delete the thread that determines if one is kicked off here for a bit? Or does the moderator do that?
Moderators. We watch new Threads.
Can a person push delete more than once?
He can push all he likes, 1 Vote per User only.
How does one know if it is copyrighted?
Google.
Am I understanding correctly that it is o.k. to quote a small portion if a link is provided...but not the entire article? How much is acceptable to quote..
The Point of an Excerpt is to parallel the Argument you wish to make, the Link the Source which substantiates your Opinion.
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long Excerpts, it'll likely get the same Treatment ... deleted. Best Thing is to make your Point, supply a Link to back it up, and if the Article is too long, copy the exact Portion from it, along with the Link. Keep the Excerpt as Concise and to the Point as possible, don't copy anything into your Post that has no Bearing on on your Point. I can't see why much more than a 1,000 Characters are needed. Even if the Excerpt appears to be a full Article, it might get axed. |
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