| FORUMS: Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 8:14:07 AM | I understand the rules and regulations...and that its the community that can do the deletion...but what I dont understand is when there are so many posters that have gone on the thread and made a comment, why should it be just up to the community......before a thread gets totally deleted I think a moderator should have the last word...sorry I was a moderator before and realize that there are alot of people that delete for their own purposes and not for the good of the community or like the power of hitting that deletion button
Please I would like a real answer instead of the usual..."read the rules and regulations"..
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 8:17:25 AM | Actually, moderators can and do suspend the voting if we find (or it's reported to us) a thread slated for deletion that is valid. By the same token, just because a page goes a few pages, or is popular, doesn't necessarily mean it's allowed to stay, it still has to be a valid topic, properly posted in the right forum to not be deleted.
The fact is, there are probably over 10,000 posts made to over 240 forums and subforums daily, and six mods. More moderators is not a reasonable option, concensus works better in a small group. Most user deletions are valid deletions, ...they don't always get the reason right, but usually it's a thread that wouldn't make it past mod scrutiny. | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 8:22:28 AM | | Well that is understandable about being on the right topic and right forum....so as a moderator before, why are those topics not just moved to the right forum instead of total deletion? | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 8:31:39 AM | | They are, if they aren't redundant in that forum, which is often the case. Some threads are not only in the wrong forum, they are redundant, and improperly titled too, ...3 strikes. | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 8:38:47 AM | | Okay, case in hand...there was a thread started earlier asking what women thought about diamonds being bought at a cheaper place....there were alot of posts made to that thread and smart ones also....but got deleted...I guess my other question would be, there was no reason for it to be deleted..it was on topic, properly titled and in the relationship forum, so why? cause 10 people did not like it..that does not make sense...sorry, just trying to understand | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 8:49:25 AM |
Does the Size of the Diamond Matter?
Maybe this one with probably over 700+ posts would have been a better place to put this.
Search - and avoid deletions | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 10:02:14 AM | Well, the topic comes up often enough "wedding ring", "engagement ring" "spend on ring" "size of ring", there's yet another "ring" thread at the top of the forum right now. How about "what if it's gold and you prefer platinum?". "Does the cut of the diamond matter?"
I'm sure that this may have some bearing on a relationship for some, ...colour of socks might too. But it takes 7 to delete, and 3 to keep a thread. This may mean that the ring topic does in fact, ....get posted a lot in that forum.
On any given day I can go into that forum and it's lucky if I can find half a page of valid topics. | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 10:09:16 AM | but what I dont understand is when there are so many posters that have gone on the thread and made a comment, why should it be just up to the community......before a thread gets totally deleted I think a moderator should have the last word...
The Admin has opted to use a System for managing Threads on the Forums, partly based on User Votes, partly Moderator Overview.
In this fashion the Community also has some Input as to what Threads they are interested in and which ones are to be rejected.
Their Call is not always correct, often not based on what constitutes a valid Thread.
I recently asked the Admin to implement a Function for Moderators to terminate Thread User Votes where obvious incorrect Calls were being made. Now, as we see them, we stop the voting Process.
This is the System we have. It works pretty good actually. Its not perfect, but User Input does help remove a lot of Trash from the Forums.
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 10:20:03 AM | | Yes the option for deletion is a fairly good idea, because of the reasons you have stated...but I also Know as a moderator you can pull the posts and put in the correct forum, so if the posts themselves are not in the right area, should they not be just moved....I only ask this myself because of some of mine also being deleted, and I do a search before posting.....when I came on to post in the diamond one, the deletion area was not even there and again there were alot of posts that were made....none were rude or obnoxious then all of a sudden it was deleted....another option if moved or for reasons being deleted...why not put locked, moved etc and the reason for it, maybe people will understand better....ok, I have said my share and asked my questions...and I really do like this site, far more than some that I have been on where moderation has been over stimulated or just plain out not doing their jobs | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 10:26:23 AM |
but I also Know as a moderator you can pull the posts and put in the correct forum, so if the posts themselves are not in the right area, should they not be just moved....I only ask this myself because of some of mine also being deleted, and I do a search before posting.....
..Pity you didn't READ...
The fact is, there are probably over 10,000 posts made to over 240 forums and subforums daily, and six mods.
Surely as a MOD, somewhere, you'd understand?  | |
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Posted: 7/8/2007 10:31:05 AM | so if the posts themselves are not in the right area, should they not be just moved....
File a Report here: Forum Rule Violations - Report Thread
If you feel a Thread is in Progress of being wrongly deleted, you can e-mail a Moderator for Review.
there were alot of posts that were made....none were rude or obnoxious then all of a sudden it was deleted....another option if moved or for reasons being deleted
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 11:04:49 AM | a little hard to report when just all of a sudden its deleted...so has the admin not tried ot get more mods on here...I know one site that there are several mods for each forum....
and ticket...you do not actually answer the questions with valid answers but throw it back to the rules and regulations..so what ever...am not going to argue or get into a debate...this is the only reason I have not to like this site...when people do ask legitimate questions and are still maybe a little ditzy to the rules you dont answer or we never get an answer(which has happened to me)...we get posted "read the rules" | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 11:14:37 AM | I don't think ticket was trying to avoid answering your question at all. As you said the thread(s) in question were deleted, so you didn't give him anything specific to go on. If you stated what the topic of the thread was or had saved the link, then he probably could have given a more directed answer.
Bottom line is there was some rule violation for it to have been deleted. If it was voted off and there wasn't noone saved it or reported it to the moderators, so how can you expect them to know what happened much less offer assistance?
It is often a judgement call but admin has trusted the mods to exercise good enough judgement to allow them to deleted threads. Whether you agree or disagree with the reason for deletion it's something you just have to accept.
Personally, I've had interaction with all the mods and I've never known them not to be fair minded. And I've had good threads deleted myself. One in particular that was very popular but the posters wouldn't cut the chat. I asked to have it closed.
When you start a thread, you don't have any control over other poster's behavior. All you can do is report violations of rules and hope someone else doesn't trash the thread. But it happens, so we all just live with it.
Hope that maybe helps to give a little more perspective.  | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 11:34:38 AM | I would like to know why specific posts are deleted for no obvious reason.
[Off-topic would be the main cause of your deletions that I've seen lately/late™]
I have had too many posts deleted to count. I've been accused of arguing with other posters, but my comments have followed 5 to 10 in which others have resorted to name-calling and insults, yet their posts remain.
Most recent example, my last post on the Ann Coulter thread. Would really appreciate an explanation because as of now it seems to be flat out censorship. | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 12:08:35 PM | you do not actually answer the questions with valid answers but throw it back to the rules and regulations..
I am indicating how things work, its Frailties, and some Courses of Action you can take.
What Rules/Regulations above did I quote?
Your question is a little long-winded, so far, the Admin has not instituted a Function for Moderator Review before a Thread can be deleted by Voters.
If that was the Case, you would not have made this Thread.
I would like to know why specific posts are deleted for no obvious reason.
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Posted: 7/8/2007 1:17:25 PM | In light of the fact that there are several threads dealing with the right wing media bias, Fox being Unfair and Unbalanced, ect....yet ideas presented here that don't mesh with those in control wind up in the cyber dumpster......I'll find a truly open forum to participate in. I won't bog you guys down with an opposing view any longer. Long live the ACLU and freedom of speech. At least freedom of like speech.
Thanks for an absolute waste of my time.
[Try staying on-topic, less deletions that way, for example this thread isn't about post deletions, it's about USER-DELETIONS, hijacking a thread topic to suit your own agenda doesn't cut it here/late™] | |
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Posted: 7/8/2007 1:20:19 PM | ^^^ see ya
I'll find a truly open forum to participate in. and you'll be immediately upset in such a forum, because people will be mean to you and there's no moderators to protect you | |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 2:34:44 PM |
I recently asked the Admin to implement a Function for Moderators to terminate Thread User Votes where obvious incorrect Calls were being made. As we see them, we stop the voting Process.
This is an awesome idea! 
Some threads deserve the bye bye but others are pretty valid topics that are debatable and fit all the other criteria and not redundant. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2007 7:47:21 PM | yet ideas presented here that don't mesh with those in control wind up in the cyber dumpster.....
Is not any Basis for Thread Deletions.
Very likely the Thread was redundunt or Chat-fested up with Off-Topic Replies, if the Trolls did'nt get the best of it.
I won't bog you guys down with an opposing view any longer. Long live the ACLU and freedom of speech. At least freedom of like speech.
The Forums exist exactly for that Reason ... to present different Point of Views.
But no Thread is deleted for that Reason, there is no such Criteria.
In any Event, for what its worth ... happy Trails.
This is an awesome idea!
It has already been implemented. Hence, if anyone makes a Thread and feels the User Base is in process of voting a Thread off for the wrong Reasons, you can e-mail any of the Moderators for a Review.
Some threads deserve the bye bye but others are pretty valid topics that are debatable and fit all the other criteria and not redundant.
| In my Estimation, the User Base hits the Target dead on about 80-90% of the Time. Thus 10-20% surface here balling their Eyes out. |
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 7/8/2007 8:41:16 PM | It has already been implemented. Hence, if anyone makes a Thread and feels the User Base is in process of voting a Thread off for the wrong Reasons, you can e-mail any of the Moderators for a Review.
Wo0t Wo0t and A Ho0t Baby! You guys are the Best 
In my Estimation, the User Base hits the Target dead on about 80-90% of the Time.
Most of the time. Today I saw a few that stayed (did not hit any of the criteria to stay whatsoever) that were just mind blowing to say the least but hey...I'm one of how many here? lol *shrugs*
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