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 Author Thread: Why are there so many young single mothers aged 18-22?
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Why are there so many young single mothers aged 18-22?
Posted: 7/24/2012 7:38:36 AM
Staying together for the sake of the kid just increases the number of 911 calls for domestic violence.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Fisting
Posted: 7/12/2012 11:47:47 AM
I say why ruin a perfectly good **** by putting a fist in it? If mother nature wanted us to fist we would be born with a third arm intead of a penis.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Fisting
Posted: 7/11/2012 12:50:03 PM
Most women here are not keen on fisting and those that are well what can I say. As a man taking a heavier dump than usual is not pleasant so I can imagine what a fist would feel like. OUCH
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Big vaginas-fact or fallacy?
Posted: 7/8/2012 9:43:50 AM
Hey Im looking to get off myself not give someone a lube job.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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single mothers, an easy target???
Posted: 7/8/2012 4:24:37 AM
6 kids and you are worried about guys taking advantage of you? LOL You have NO time for anything. Most guys wont put up with six kids in their dating life either.

I tried a couple of times dating a mom with one kid and that didnt work out.

You have some major adjustments to make in your life...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 148 (view)
 
Big vaginas-fact or fallacy?
Posted: 7/7/2012 5:26:28 PM
Theres nothing finer
Than a tight v a g i n a
In the m o r n i n g


I can testify from first hand experience that there are tight ones and some so loose you can use em for a suitcase.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Why are there so many young single mothers aged 18-22?
Posted: 7/5/2012 4:42:52 PM
And the whining goes on. I still remember this one woman that was trying to get knocked up to cement the relationship with the guy. Sometimes the baby trap doesnt work and the guy splits cause he cant stand to be with you anymore.

Now the accidental hit and run unprotected sex scenarios are just pure animal lust that quickly goes bust.

Shit Im a poet just didnt know it.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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USA to have Israel's star of David on flag for July 4 th
Posted: 7/4/2012 2:53:07 PM
Do you share a bong with Sasquach in Saskatoon Saskatchewan ?

Watch out for UFOs at midnight...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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How do you last longer in bed???
Posted: 7/4/2012 2:30:03 PM
Think the kegel guy just called you a **** but anyway wrap it in duct tape if that dont work hit it with a rubber mallet twice...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 113 (view)
 
How far are you willing to go on a date?
Posted: 7/3/2012 1:36:47 PM
Half hour tops - anything longer is not worth the effert no matter how it looks and what it can do...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Approaching 50 and it's scaring the Crud outa me
Posted: 7/3/2012 1:28:48 PM
Dont worry go out with younger women, party hardy and die in the saddle... Life is good
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 133 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 7/2/2012 1:48:13 PM
Bible says sex outside of marriage is a sin, masurbation is a sin and so is birth control. According to the bible Im going straight to hell!

But you know something I dont blieve in that fairy tale book that is full of contradictions. They are people that do and they are the ones that have a weak mind and need a bible/crutch to get them thru the day. I do therefore avoid biblethumpers like a plague...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Posting pictures of your childen on your profile
Posted: 7/2/2012 8:07:42 AM
Why would anybody care about pics of your kids. We didnt make em, they are not ours and they will just get in the way if anybody is willing to date you.

If you are paranoid go see a shrink.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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murphy's law...
Posted: 6/30/2012 1:43:47 PM
Well lets put it this way. You go to a car dealership and he has new cars, well maintenained used cars, average used cars and the used and abused cars. As a shopper with with some good bucks will you go for the worst looking sounding and looking thing on the lot?
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 6/30/2012 12:58:07 PM
1.

This thread is a perfect example of verbal masturbation

When one speaks for solely the purpose of hearing their own voice.
Sue didn't want to talk with me, she was just practicing verbal masturbation.
2.

Verbal masturbation
n. (v. Verbally masturbating)
Describes a person using (or trying but fails) extremely flamboyant, overelaborate, pendantic, overembellished, pompus, language seasoned with a lot of jargon from a certain discipline, sometimes to the extent that it has to be translated or deciphered to be intelligible for the common man; done with the unnecessary need to be meticulously accurate when communicating completely mundane things. May be done with the intent of making others feel inferior…and/or himself superior, part of role-playing, humour, being an idiot, (trying to) showing off how smart you are, and as mentioned an unnecessary need to be meticulously accurate. The true verbal masturbators are the pretentious ones who try but utterly fail because they use words they do not understand and use words across a jargon (inconsistency). Verbal masturbation may or may not appear redundant; however the redundancy is from the choice of words used and not necessarily by its meaning. Additionally, some may feel others are verbally masturbating but do so wrongfully because the situation requires being meticulously accurate

Non exhaustive examples of jargon used are:

Scientific: (star trek, professor Frink from The Simpson’s),
Forensic: (CSI, Sherlock Holmes),
Arcane: (old language, medieval, lord of the rings, star wars),
Prose/poetic: (rhymes, poetic symbolic uses etc. of language usually belonging to the literature world)
dictionary: (sounding like one…)
Leet (1337): sou...

3.
verbal masturbation
Verbal Masturbation is commonly found amoung the arrogant, highly self absorbed people.
when you verbally masturbate, you essentially puke out the most disgustingly boring things about yourself, and you only ever talk about how great you are, or how great your life is, blahblahblah.
a common feeling amoung the ill-faited audience of a verbal masturbater is the hard to ignore urges to slice off the offenders head, put it in a blender, and then feed it to dogs. and if they are REALLY not worth it, feed the head to homeless people, as they will take anything.

"That prick over there kept verbally masturbating, and had me snoring for an hour."
OR
"Man, that chick is so hot, i'm gonna do the verbal masturbation all over her to show her how HOT i am"

4.
Verbal masturbation
The stretching of something being said to make it much longer than it could easily be. It is usually done because the speaker feels what they said is not enough, wants to hear them self talk or wants to make what they say more confusing.

The way they stretch it is by adding similes and metaphors that basically say the same exact thing as what they originally said.

Verbal masturbation

The inquiring man is not liked for he is the hungry lion who wants more food. It is the people who are unwilling to feed his mind like there are only so many gazelle. His hunger makes the other lions tremble and begin to hate his lifelong quest for knowledge. He will never have enough and the others do not wish to put up with him, so he is always alone. Like a man who steals the money of his peers and has become rich, and hated by others. Though the others could have easily become rich because the money was up for grabs. The rich man benefits from his quest for knowledge and is hated for doing better.

Translation

An intelligent and curious person is not liked.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 63 (view)
 
single pregnant mother
Posted: 6/30/2012 3:00:53 AM
They got married too.... totally different from this
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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murphy's law...
Posted: 6/29/2012 1:32:59 PM
You look burnt out in your profile pics, have kids and are back in school plus you state this in your profile.


If you are looking for sex, I am afraid you stopped at the wrong profile ..... I love God and go to church, if that part bothers you, I am sorry, but it will not change... he is a very important part of my life!


Dating is about sex and not biblethumping...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Why do I have this tremendous following of ....friends?
Posted: 6/29/2012 8:46:47 AM
Quite simple you got 2 teenage kids and dont put out.

What do you expect your dates to do? A guy loses interest in a woman if she plays hard to get especially with 2 kids. Welcome to the real world of dating...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 485 (view)
 
Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 6/28/2012 3:19:29 PM

I would just like to say that pregnant women are beautiful and hott! If your man runs... call me :) If you are sweet, I will even rub your feet. LOL


Now that is just gross and sick...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 57 (view)
 
single pregnant mother
Posted: 6/28/2012 2:50:38 AM
I just cant imagine going out with a woman thats 8 months pregnant. Even shopping would be awkward - can you imagine one of your friends running into you?

Now once the baby is born here is a little bundle that craps and cries and its not your own. It would take a special breed to grow anothers seed...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 482 (view)
 
Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 6/23/2012 7:38:05 AM
When Moms Get Angry - Anger management tips for moms

Most moms have had moments where they said things they wish they hadn't or lost their cool with their kids. When the crayons end up on the walls or the shoes magically disappear, it is easy to respond in anger. Being a mom is a tough job and even the best moms have their "bad days". If you are having "bad days" frequently or are concerned that you could physically hurt your child, this is not normal. Losing your temper can be a sign of other problems such as depression or anxiety. Please contact your doctor if you are concerned about your moods or temper.

Why am I so angry?

If you are finding yourself feeling very angry or irritable there may be reasons for this.
•Are you getting enough sleep? Not getting sleep or not getting a sound sleep can affect your mood. Make sure that you take care of your body and get plenty of sleep. If you are feeling tired and cranky, take an afternoon nap. If you cannot take a nap, lie down on the couch and try to get some rest.
•financial or personal stress? Being under a lot of stress can affect your moods and your temper.
•Are you sick or feeling ill? Not feeling well can also affect how you respond to family situations.
•Are you hungry? Sometimes not eating can effect your moods.
•No man in your life? Being rejected by men will make you feel sad and angry.

You may want to evaluate why you are getting angry. If you are responding to a physical stressor, you can work on changing your routine. Make sure you are getting proper nutrition and adequate sleep.

Tips for handling your anger

What can moms do to keep their anger in check or to cool down when they are angry?
■Take a time out. Sit down and take some time to relax and collect yourself. Have you taken a break today?
■Listen to yourself. What are you saying to your children when you yell or get angry? Is this the example you want to set for them? Listen to what you are saying. If this is not something you would want said to you, then do not say it.
■Have a plan. Find out what your triggers are. Have a plan in advance for what you will do when you are triggered. Thinking ahead and having a plan will help you avoid simply reacting in anger.
■Practice, practice, practice. When you are angry make a conscious effort to practice staying calm. Have things planned out to say when your children misbehave and practice using them.
■Sing the ABC Song. Before you say anything to your children when you are angry, sing the ABC song. Sometimes just taking a minute to regroup is all you need to keep from losing your cool.
■It's okay to say you're sorry. If you do lose your temper, it is okay to say you're sorry. It does not make you ineffective to say you're sorry. Think about when someone loses his/her temper with you. Doesn't an "I'm sorry" make you feel better?
■Take a walk or get some exercise. Physical exercise is a great stress reliever. You can try taking a walk outside with the kids.
■Get some time away from your kids. This is sometimes easier said than done. If you can, get your husband or someone else to watch the kids for a while so you can go out or do something for yourself.
■Have a support system. A support system can be as simple as family, a few friends you can call, a church or a moms' group. Find someone you can call when you are stressed or need to unwind.
■Practice meditation. Meditation is a relaxation technique that helps many people combat stress and negative emotions.
■Try Aromatherapy. Having calming scents in the house can help to create a more peaceful mood.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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A good experience on POF
Posted: 6/22/2012 4:25:46 PM
Videotape the 3rd date and post it on the net. Going to get my popcorn ready....
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Sex While Dating?
Posted: 6/22/2012 2:00:29 PM
^^^^^^^^^^ and yet you take exhorbitant amount of time voicing your opinion cutting down the internet bandwidth and making POF crash the way it did a while back LMAO
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 6/22/2012 6:13:52 AM
Again I must say this thread is nothing more than mental masturbation....
And yes religion would prefer us to think earth is flat and that we all should kiss churchs ass.

What were Galileo Galilei's conflicts with the Roman Catholic Church? It was not a simple conflict between science and religion, as usually portrayed. Rather it was a conflict between Copernican science and Aristotelian science which had become Church tradition. Galileo expressed his scientific views supporting Copernicus as well as his biblical views in a 1615 letter to the Grand Duchess of Tuscany which became the basis of his first Church trial and censure. A major work published in 1632 resulted in Galileo's conviction on suspicion of heresy and a lifetime house arrest. The Galileo affair provides important lessons and applications to the Church and to science today.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Sex While Dating?
Posted: 6/21/2012 2:36:03 PM
Next stop is Maury Povichs "Who the baby daddy" show. HeeHaww
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 126 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 6/19/2012 1:07:21 PM
So are you one of those devout Catholics that believes sex outside of marriage is a sin? How about contraception?
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Do men over 50 really want the same?
Posted: 6/19/2012 5:08:36 AM
And why is you face blacked out? LOL
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 6/17/2012 4:41:35 AM
Why Should a Man Bear Responsibility
for a Woman who Decides to have a Baby?

Are women responsible for anything that they do?

Isn't it incredible that when it comes to having a baby, the feminist propaganda machine always tries to make us believe that the man is responsible for such an event, when, in fact, he has very little to do with it?

How many times do we hear the politically-correct complaining about young boys who go around impregnating girls and then abandoning them, as if, somehow, the boys have any control over what the girls' biological outcomes will be?

It is females who are in control of their pregnancies. And they have total control.

Females have ready access to all forms of contraception. They can take the contraceptive pill. They can take the morning-after pill. They can don the diaphragm. They can insist on condoms. They can use spermicide. They can have abortions. And they can refrain from having sex.

To prevent an unwanted baby being born, women can do something before sex, during sex and after sex.

To prevent an unwanted baby being born, women can do something before sex, during sex and after sex.

They are also in control of all areas to do with giving birth - physically, chemically, biologically, psychologically, socially, legally and medically.

In the west today, no man can force a woman to have a baby. It is entirely her choice. So why do our politicians and the media continue to blame men (and with such vitriol) for unwanted or undesirable pregnancies? The answer is, of course, very simple. It is the vindictive, prejudicial rhetoric of feminism which always blocks any attempts to make women responsible for anything.

Unfortunately, promoting this politically-correct nonsense takes away responsibility from the very group of people - women - who have the wherewithal to prevent these unwanted events. It allows them to say, 'It's not my fault'.

I don't know how many times I have seen chat shows wherein, for example, women with seven or eight children (from two, three or four different men) complain about how badly the state looks after them. And the audience is invariably directed to shift the blame for this situation on to the 'reckless' men who have impregnated them.

It never seems to dawn on this feminist-indoctrinated society that such women have total responsibility for having children. No-one can force them to have children.

women never need to consider their own responsibility

No wonder, therefore, that such women never need to consider their own responsibility and are quite happy for everyone else to pay for their children, and for the problems that, statistically speaking, these children are likely to cause, for decades to come.

Until we remove the deceptions and the deceits of feminist doctrine from our society, and start to make women responsible for their actions, we do not really have much hope of solving anything.

If a woman becomes pregnant then there is nothing that the man can do to alter the future course of events. This future is entirely up to her.

And this continual stirring up of hatred towards men by the media by blaming them for events over which they have no control whatsoever is outrageous.

Trisha, one of the trashiest chat programmes on TV, consistently draws its viewers by verbally spanking working-class boys and blaming them for the ills of all of society.

'He Got Four Of Us Pregnant'

For example, a recent edition of the programme had the heading, 'He Got Four Of Us Pregnant'.

Jason, apparently, has managed to impregnate four, and possibly five, women. Two babies have already been born and two are on the way.

Jason protests that he is only doing what comes naturally by screwing around, but the mostly female audience rages into him. "He should keep his zipper closed," says one. "I've got two bricks in my garden," says the other with venom in her voice.

It does not cross the minds of these feckless women that any of Jason's 'victims' (because this is how they are portrayed) had anything to do with it at all! They bear no responsibility at all.

And this is what we do. We remove all responsibility from women and then provide them with free apartments to aid them in the process of single-motherhood and the production of hordes of ill-disciplined children.

My hostility goes out not to them, however. The problems arise from the way that these women have been brought up thanks to feminist ideology and political-correctness. After all, who can blame these women? Why should they opt for hours every day in poorly paid jobs when they can have children and homes provided completely free of charge?

How can anyone be surprised that the numbers keep growing when feminists and trashy programmes keep endorsing their lifestyles?

It must be obvious even to the most vacuous of TV personalities that these programmes bring about numerous social problems.

Jason will shortly have four children on this planet, with four single women raising them on their own.

You will pay for all of this; their education, their health, their homes, and all the trouble that the children will probably cause in the future.

Women are responsible for nothing. 'He did it.'

'He Got Four Of Us Pregnant', says it all, doesn't it? Women are responsible for nothing. 'He did it.'

What is infuriating is that the programme-makers get fat on the advertising proceeds of this trash. And I am sure that Trisha herself makes tens of thousands, if not hundreds of them.

The boys of single mothers do not get to smash her windows or to intimidate her if she goes out in the evening.

But it isn't just trash like the Trisha programme that spreads this ridiculous politically-correct ideology throughout the nation. We see this happening even on programmes like BBC's Question Time.

Some of you might recall a recent incident where a seventeen year old girl had a baby by a thirteen year old boy. Of course, this is an illegal act and would have been classed as something akin to rape had their ages been reversed. But only boys are responsible for anything, remember that.

This girl, apparently, bore no responsibility, and so she was not punished in any way. If the ages had been reversed, he would have been in serious trouble.

Here is how the political editor of the Spectator, Bruce Anderson, started his response to this matter. "The fact that this boy got this seventeen year old pregnant ..."

Do you see? It's embedded in the language.

Do you see? It's embedded in the language.

This boy, this child in fact, 'got' her pregnant. She is seen as having no responsibility at all, even though he is a child. But it is his fault. He is a male and, therefore, he is responsible.

Indeed, politicians would also make this boy financially responsible for the child (e.g. see MPs would hold 12 year old boys financially responsible for pregnancies.)

Feminism is a hateful and vindictive ideology that has no valid concepts of equality or justice.

Women are in total control of their pregnancies. Forty years ago this was not the case. A woman had little choice. If she became pregnant then it was right that the man shouldered 50% of the responsibility. And in other parts of the world the same is true today. But western women nowadays have 100% control over their pregnancies.

Women should therefore shoulder 100% of the responsibility.

the woman should have total responsibility for any baby that she, alone, chooses to have.

None of the above applies, of course, if a man and a woman agree to a pregnancy. In this case, both are responsible for it. But when a man and a woman have intercourse for the sake of sex, rather than for anything else, then the woman should have total responsibility for any baby that she, alone, chooses to have.

A typical ploy by women to absolve their gender from responsibility is to claim that when a man has sex with a woman then it is his own fault if she ends up having a baby.

western women do not 'end up' having babies. They choose to have them

But, firstly, western women do not 'end up' having babies. They choose to have them. These are not 'accidents'.

Secondly, they would not apply the same twisted kind of 'logic' to any other circumstance.

For example, if a man was to take a woman out for a drive in his car, and he decided to crash the car into a wall deliberately, I doubt that many women would blame the female passenger for her resulting injuries. For example, I doubt that women would say, "Oh well, if she gets into a car with a man then any deliberate damage to her well-being caused by the man is her fault."

But this is exactly what western women do when it comes to pregnancies.

The woman has TOTAL control of her pregnancy - throughout the whole of its period - but the man is blamed for the outcome!

Indeed, a woman who argues that a man is just as responsible as she is for the production of a child - following sex - will surely soon be arguing that a man is just as responsible for the programs that she runs (or the words that she writes) on her computer because he helped her to plug it into the socket!

Another ploy used by women to make men responsible for pregnancies is to argue that the resulting children are the men's children.

"He has 'fathered' a child."

"It is 'his' child."

But this is just fooling around with deceptive words.

in what sense is the child 'his'?

For example, in what sense is the child 'his'?

He can be removed from 'his' child at the whim of the woman. The law allows her to leave the country with the child. The law allows the woman to displace him and to replace him with another man. The woman can even flush 'his' child down the toilet in the early stages of pregnancy.

So, in what sense, exactly, does this child actually 'belong to him'?

Well, the truth is that it is not 'his' child at all.

Yes. He is related genetically to the child; but he is also related genetically to many other people, but, surely, this does not mean that he must be held 'responsible' for them simply because of this.

Legally, the child is 'his' - but only in the sense that the law burdens him with financial responsibility for it.

But this is merely a legal ploy, not a moral one.

Another ploy used by women and the state to burden men unfairly in this matter is to parrot the totally bogus "best interests of the child" mantra - an emotive mantra that is almost invariably used to cover up the fact that women or the state are seeking some unfair advantage over men.

One typical argument is as follows.

the "best interests of the child" must take priority, and so the 'father' must pay up.

Regardless of the details of a particular case, once a child is born then the "best interests of the child" must take priority, and so the 'father' must pay up.

But, hold on! If the question is about money, then there is no reason why this money should come from one particular man. Why, for example, should it not come from her new boyfriend? Or, perhaps, from the state? Why should one particular man be penalised simply because this woman once had sex with him?

Would a woman passenger in a car that was deliberately crashed by the driver be expected to pay the costs of repairing the driver's car? - simply because she had chosen to go for the ride?

The very idea would be outrageous.

But when it comes to hurting men, or to treating them unfairly, it does not seem to matter how outrageous matters might get; as evidenced, for example, by the fact that in many western jurisdictions men are forced to pay child support for children who are not even theirs! - e.g. see Paternity Fraud

Western men (mostly) have provided their women with numerous technologies with which to control their pregnancies, and I think that it is about time that women were made to take proper responsibility in this area and not be allowed to foist the blame on to others for the consequences of their own fecklessness, greed, selfishness and/or dishonesty.

As such, my view is that a woman who chooses to get pregnant and to remain pregnant should, at the very least, be required to obtain a signed document from the prospective father testifying as to whether or not he is willing to be legally identified as the father of the child should a birth take place. If not, then I would argue that the 'father' has no legal liability for any birth.

And I also believe that all children should be genetically tested at birth so that false assignments of paternity are properly prevented.

Notice how the women bear no responsibility ...

Unemployed Father Of 10 Children Is Having Four More Britain's most feckless father is having another four children - and is apparently 'engaged' for the third time in three months.

on men bearing responsibility for having babies ...
Harry

A man has just as much ability to provide or insist upon contraceptives. He, also can insist on a condom, make inquiries as to whether she is using birth control, or a diaphragm. This man in question can also, if a woman insists on using nothing, keep his penis to himself. He is just as responsible for the choice to have sex as a woman, and therefore should be just as responsible for the resulting child. They both agreed, the responsibility is 50-50. Women can't impregnate themselves, they happen to need a man involved as well.

C

Hello C

1. A man cannot insist on an abortion.

2. A man cannot insist on the morning after pill.

3. A man cannot force the woman not to betray the trust that he placed in her.

it is perfectly legitimate for her to renege on the deal and decide to have a baby.

What you seem to be suggesting is that if, for example, a man and a woman agree to have sex together without a condom, then it is perfectly legitimate for her to renege on the deal and decide to have a baby.

In my opinion, such an attitude is contemptible, and it reflects the rather common but distasteful view that women should bear no responsibility for choices that they alone can make - in this case, the choice to have, or not to have, a baby.

But, yes, you a right, a man can always keep his penis to himself, or insist on using a condom. And this is exactly what my advice would be, given that so many women cannot be trusted.

And you, clearly, agree with this view.

You are actually admitting that if a man wants to be assured of not fathering a baby then he must not trust the woman that he is with.

you must be of the view that many women are untrustworthy.

In other words, you must be of the view that many women are untrustworthy.

I agree.

The difference between us is, therefore, that you think that when a woman betrays this trust, she should be allowed to get away with it. Indeed, you actually try to blame the man for trusting her - i.e. you 'blame the victim'. Basically, you are saying that if he is stupid enough to trust her then he should pay the price.

My view is that he should not have to pay the price for her breach of trust.

And your later notion that an agreement to have sex is identical to an agreement to have a child is too laughable for me to bother talking about it.

An average eight-year old could tell the difference between the two.

Harry

3/12/03

To Tell the Truth, Women Lie

Harriet Arkell

Evening Standard

The minefield of modern manners has turned British women into bare-faced liars.

A study of 5,000 women shows that only six per cent claim never to have uttered a falsehood.

The rest lie regularly about everything from why they are late to their boyfriend's sexual prowess.

Three-quarters said they had told major lies with serious consequences, such as pretending to be on the Pill to get pregnant. "Women lie because they're afraid to tell the truth," said psychologist Susan Quilliam. "They're scared of hurting people, scared of failing and scared of being criticised.

"Women are expected to fulfill expectations, and to get what they want in life they feel they have to gloss over the truth."

Most of the fibs are white lies. Among common admissions were faking orgasms (48 per cent); pretending to weigh less (51 per cent); feigning delight at Christmas presents (88 per cent) and reporting sick to get over a hangover (60 per cent).

But almost half said that if they became pregnant through an affair they might tell their partner the child was his.

The study was commissioned by That's Life magazine and the average age of respondents was 38.

Jo Checkley, editor of That's Life!, said: "Just imagine the consequences if women always told the truth: 'Yes, you do look fat in that dress'."

Someone made the following rather interesting post at the end of an article; so I pinched it. It offers a reasonable solution to how the responsibility for pregnancies should be assigned

...

We need to get beyond the red herring argument of who is responsible for birth control and deal with the reality of what should be done once conception has occurred. We all know the heat of passion is not a clear thinking time even for the most rational humans, people lie to and mislead each other all the time when sex is involved, birth control often fails to be 100% effective regardless of who is responsible for it and, quite simply, mistakes happen even in the best of circumstances.

I offer, what I think is, an outline for a rather simple solution to the problem of who is financially liable for children once they are conceived. If the two parties are not married and, thus, already legally bound to financially support the child, the two parties involved could file a notarized statement with the courts as to whether they want to have the child or not knowing and, therefore, assuming all the legal and financial responsibilities of raising that child. If they both wish to go forward, there is no problem and paperwork is already on file from both parties accepting legal and financial responsibility for the child.

If one party wants to have the baby and the other doesn’t, the baby must be carried to term and the one who wants it must assume all legal and financial responsibilities of the pregnancy and for raising the child once it is born. The other party is released from any and all legal and financial responsibility for the pregnancy and the raising of the child. If neither party wants it, a negotiated settlement must be made between the two parties to terminate the pregnancy or hand the child over for adoption. If the decision is made to terminate, the two parties split responsibility for the costs involved, including any post operation medical expenses and psychological counseling fees, for up to a year after. In the case of any personal adoption set up by either of the two parties, the entities(s) doing the adopting assume all legal and financial responsibilities from that point forward. If State adoption is the preferred choice, the case is turned over to the State, the child becomes a ward of the State and the State assumes all legal and financial responsibilities from that point forward.

For the record, I do believe that whether or not to terminate a pregnancy should be a personal choice. Therefore, such a solution would never force a woman to terminate a pregnancy against her will. At the same time, though, the choice is not hers alone. If the man is equally involved in the legal and financial responsibility of raising a child, then the man must be equally involved in making the choice. Thus, the woman would not be able to terminate a pregnancy against the will of the man if the man wants the child and is willing to assume all legal and financial responsibility for that child. I acknowledge, therefore, that such a solution as I offer allows for cases where a woman might be required to carry a baby to term that she doesn’t want. At the point of birth, though, she can give the child to the man and her responsibility in the matter would be over. If a woman chooses to go forward with a pregnancy despite having no commitment of legal and financial responsibility from the man, she assumes all legal and financial responsibilities herself. She cannot force a man to financially support a child he does not choose to have.

I know this sounds unbelievably simplistic and there are a lot of details that would need to be hammered out about how, precisely, such contractual agreements would be executed in reality, such as how to handle any number of mitigating circumstances such as rape and incest. However, I think there is a workable outline here that seems pretty fair. It levels the playing field as much as possible given the, as yet, unchangeable biological realities we have to deal with and would go a long way towards solving a hugely controversial problem.
Father Of 15 Children

Father Of 15 Children An unemployed father of 15 who lives with his wife and mistress is demanding a larger council house after getting both women pregnant at the same time.

He 'got' them pregnant, eh?

Well, that's not quite the whole story, is it?

The women got themselves pregnant would be a more accurate description of the events.

And having got themselves pregnant, they chose to have the children. No-one could force them to have children. Indeed, the choice was entirely theirs.

And that's a fact!

"Some people call me a scrounger, but I'm not. I'm just a good father. I love my kids more than anyone and want to see them every weekend."

From: AngryHarry.com
But why do people see him as the 'scrounger', rather than the women who chose to have the children?
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 42 (view)
 
single pregnant mother
Posted: 6/14/2012 11:36:49 AM
Boy that does sound Like a free ticket to ride...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 33 (view)
 
single pregnant mother
Posted: 6/13/2012 2:32:55 PM
^^^^^ yet on your profile you only claim HS education. Anybody can post drivel on the net.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 154 (view)
 
Do men over 50 really want the same?
Posted: 6/13/2012 12:53:01 PM
^^^^^^^^^^ younger women, older whiskey and money plus a little 'tang on the side...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 151 (view)
 
Do men over 50 really want the same?
Posted: 6/13/2012 12:33:44 PM
Or the cake makeup flaking off a wrinkled face and that bright lipstick too boot. Makes monk monasteries enticing...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 782 (view)
 
Can culture advance without religion?
Posted: 6/13/2012 6:07:03 AM
1. Religion
An organized group of people with a common belief. Most religions strongly stress ethics and morals along with setting guidelines for people to follow in their day-to-day life.

Religion:
- Christianity
- Judaism
- Islam
- Jainism
- Hinduism
- Buddhism
- Sikhism
- Rastafari
- Wicca
- Taoism (Daoism)
- Shinto
- Confucianism
- Zoroastrianism
- Mandaeism
- Satanism

2.Religion
Religion is like a penis:
1) It's okay to have one.
2) It's okay to be proud of it.
3) It's NOT okay to pull it out in public.
4) It's NOT okay to shove it down little children's throats.

3.religion
The biggest lie in human history. It has been responsible for more deaths throughout human history than all other unnatural causes combined. For a thousand years the Church was a tyrannical dictatorship that used religion to control the uneducated masses. Free your minds and come into the 21st century

"Religion is the child of Ignorance and Fear"

4.Religion
A cult that dosn't end with suicide.

Hey Timothy, wanna join my new cul-I mean religion?

5.Religion
A sociological institution that's true purpose is to protect the family structure (by alienating homosexuals) through guilt, self-doubt and fear by spouting the dogma of a man-made God in order to increase the reproductive rate of pre-industrial or medieval civilizations, which in turn increases a species overall chance of survival.

Up until about two hundred years ago religion was needed in order to keep high birth rates and control the masses; however today, religion is used as a tool to make war, confuse and psychologically damage people and promote hatred towards diversity

6.Religion
Something that people need to understand. Seriously. Religion is a faith that people have, whether it be a person, a object, or for ****'s sake, even a damn plant! People don't seem to realize that no matter what kind of Religion we have, we need to learn to accept each other. The Westboro Baptist Church and Scientology are exceptions. Hate on them as much as you want. Scientology sucks ass because you have to pay for elightenment. And the Westboro Baptist Church are just****ads for bashing on gays, which is a sin to their own religion! People who say that "OMFGZZZZ CHRISTIAN'S DAMN ANYONE WHO HAZZ SEX TO HELL!!!!11111ONEONE1111!!!" Grow a ****ing boner. Do you even know the saying "Love the sinner, Hate The Sin?". Hell, I'm an atheist, yet I respect Christians, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims, Satanists, Everything! ...Except for Scientology...And Westboro Baptist that go to the Westboro Baptist Church...

7.religion
1) the source of most of the world's problems (ei-discrimination, holocaust, homophobia, terrorism, etc...)
2)a common belief by a large group of weak minded people in an imaginary being that helps them cope with the fact that their miserable lives will end eventually
3)hipocrasy (ei-virginity=priests raping little boys, all are equal=gays should burn)
4)islam, christianity, wicca, satanism, jewdism
5)cults and a form of brainwashing
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 125 (view)
 
Do men over 50 really want the same?
Posted: 6/12/2012 8:16:34 AM
Watch out for that "turkey neck syndrome" it can be quite distracting during a lively conversation.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 116 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 6/11/2012 11:00:59 AM
Onanism is Verboten

Onan (Hebrew: אוֹנָן, Modern Onan Tiberian ʼÔnān ; "Strong") is a minor biblical person in the Book of Genesis Chapter 38, who was the second son of Judah. Like his older brother, Er, Onan died prematurely by Yahweh's will for being wicked.[1]

Biblical account
After Onan's brother Er died, his father Judah told him to fulfill his duty as a brother-in-law to Tamar, by giving her offspring. Centuries later, in the days of Moses, this practice was formulated into a law of a Levirate marriage, where the brother of the deceased would provide offspring to the childless widow[2] to preserve the family line.[1]
However, when Onan had sex with Tamar, he disregarded this principle when he withdrew before climax[3] and "spilled his seed [or semen] on the ground", since any child born would not legally be considered his heir.[4] He disregarded the principle of a Levirate union, so God killed him for being wicked. (Genesis 38:3-10)

Classical views
Early writers have sometimes focused on the spilling seed, and the sexual act being used for non-procreational purposes. One opinion expressed in the Talmud argues that this was where the death penalty's imposition originated.[5] This interpretation was held by several early Christian apologists. Jerome, for example, argued:
"But I wonder why he the heretic Jovinianus set Judah and Tamar before us for an example, unless perchance even harlots give him pleasure; or Onan, who was slain because he grudged his brother his seed. Does he imagine that we approve of any sexual intercourse except for the procreation of children?"[6]
Clement of Alexandria, while not making explicit reference to Onan, similarly reflects an early Christian view of the abhorrence of '"spilling seed'":
"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted"[7] "To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature"[8]

[edit] Early Jewish views

The view of wasted seed referring to masturbation was upheld by many early rabbis. However, the Levitical regulations concerning ejaculation, whether as a result of heterosexual intercourse[9] or not,[10] merely prescribe a ritual washing, and remaining ritually impure until the next day began on the following evening.

Roman Catholic views

The papal encyclical Casti Connubii (1930) invokes this Biblical text in support of the teaching of the Catholic Church against contracepted sex.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 413 (view)
 
Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 6/11/2012 7:41:53 AM
After skimming thru some of the posts here single moms think having kids is the greatest thing in the world. Now once they give birth their world changes and they start ****in. Some dont learn from one mistake and continue to reproduce. And of course its always the guys fault for getting them pregnant...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 29 (view)
 
single pregnant mother
Posted: 6/7/2012 6:57:03 PM
OMG I am sufferering from a big generation gap here.

All I can say is think about your future. Ironing clothes is not where its at.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 375 (view)
 
Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 6/7/2012 6:25:28 PM
Confuzzled4ever

You have been battling men on here that do not favor single moms forever. Time to move on with the gents that dont mind a ready made family and have a good time. You cant convince someone with a different perspective to see your way.

Each of us has our own life and preference on how to live it....
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Dating a single mother advice
Posted: 6/7/2012 4:33:50 PM
At your age run and dont turn back. Most single moms are looking for a daddy for their kid(s). At your age you can make your own kids and not get stuck with someone elses...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
I really really like him...
Posted: 6/7/2012 5:38:15 AM
^^^^^^^^ May I remind you that service in the military is voluntary and has been since 1974 when Nixon abolished the draft. Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq have been fought over nothing. The government enacted a new law which prohibits the media from showing the coffins of killed soldiers being unloaded from planes.

Dont bash someone who doesnt fall for the political BS of such people like Bush who wanted us to believe in WMD...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 12 (view)
 
I really really like him...
Posted: 6/7/2012 3:42:30 AM
"I go to Abundant Life Fellowship Church and The Way Motorcycle Ministries." this is a quote from your profile. Now what does this new guy believe in? Mix the two together and you got Jim Jones Kool Aid.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 370 (view)
 
Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 6/6/2012 7:31:11 PM
Im all for planned parenthood
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 103 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 6/6/2012 8:33:25 AM
Is it true some religions do it thru a hole in the sheet?
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 97 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/31/2012 11:57:04 AM
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
YES

Modern relationship does not lend itself to some archaic ideas about when one should have sex or whether or not to use birth control. Abortion is another hot topic even for the not so religious people. You can toss this around any which way you want but it boils down to this; unwanted pregnancies cause poverty and bigger welfare rolls. Unlike the religious teaching God is not in the business of raising kids on his own tab.

Abstinance as preached by the church does not work with the raging hormones of young people. The person who came up with this rule most likely had a dead member that even todays Viagra would not revive. Yes we have to move on with the modern times of working couples and planned parenthood.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 84 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/29/2012 3:57:41 PM

If I really like someone, why not give him the chance to show how much he has "evolved" in his beliefs? I am also bisexual and polyamorous, but because monogamy is important to him, I will be monogamous by choice, not be nature.


That would be way too confusing for me. I just pictured myself pulling a guy off a polyamous woman to have my turn. Nahhhhh Ill pass...
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 29 (view)
 
crushing for this girl & she's a mom, and I'm Inexperienced.
Posted: 5/29/2012 2:33:05 PM
From your profile:

I was born awesome. I'm looking for someone else who's awesome. That would be legendary. Only awesome people need apply.
I'm hardcore for the tardcore. and yes that bulge in my pants is my lightsaber....


OK now get on your bicycle, ride over to her house and the three of you(her kid too) can ride to the nearest ice cream shop for a cone. Afterwards ride back home and stab her with your lightsaber. Problem solved....
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 78 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/26/2012 12:52:03 PM
"Is masturbation wrong?"
Yes. The Catholic teaching on masturbation says that masturbation is always morally wrong.

Sex is intended to be both an expression of love for your spouse, and a beautiful means of procreation.

Sex is so special, powerful, and valuable that it is properly used only within marriage. If you're not married, you should abstain from sexual activity.

I know: this is all very counter-cultural.

The truth sometimes is!

Sex is the ultimate gift husbands and wives can give: a total gift of self, body and soul. Sex is how you fulfill your wedding vows to love totally, freely, and completely. As long as you both shall live. The secret of life is hidden in that intimate sharing.

The Catholic teaching on masturbation says that masturbation denies every aspect of that promise of sex — of that promise of your vows!

Masturbation is:

Focused on yourself
A withholding from your spouse
A statement that sex is only about pleasure — your own pleasure
Inherently sterile
Often accompanied by "adultery in your heart" through pornography and fantasy
Catholics don't condemn masturbation just because of some lofty idea of what the natural purpose of sex is. We speak the truth about the harm it does to people.

That is the true reason for the Catholic teaching on masturbation: it denies the meaning of sex. It makes you less than fully human.
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OK so Im going straight to hell cause I use condoms, had sex while single and been known to masturbate. WOE IS ME!!!!
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 75 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/26/2012 9:45:59 AM
Catholic institutions sue Obama over birth control mandate

By Gerald Herbert, AP
The birth control dispute between President Obama and some Catholic institutions is headed to court.

Dozens of Catholic organizations, from the University of Notre Dame to the Archdioceses of Washington and New York, sued the Obama administration today over a rule requiring them to provide birth control coverage as part of their health insurance plans.

Catholic groups who oppose birth control say the rule violates their religious freedom.

"We have tried negotiation with the administration and legislation with the Congress, and we'll keep at it, but there's still no fix," said New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "Time is running out, and our valuable ministries and fundamental rights hang in the balance, so we have to resort to the courts now."

From the Associated Press:
The U.S. Health and Human Services Department adopted the rule to improve health care for women. Last year, an advisory panel from the Institute of Medicine, which advises the federal government, recommended including birth control on the list of covered services, partly because it promotes maternal and child health by allowing women to space their pregnancies.

However, faith leaders from across religious traditions protested, saying the mandate violates religious freedom. The original rule includes a religious exemption that allows houses of worship to opt-out of the mandate, but keeps the requirement in place for religiously affiliated charities.

In response to the political furor, Obama offered to soften the rule so that insurers would pay for birth control instead of religious groups. However, the bishops and others have said that the accommodation doesn't go far enough.
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Catholics want their dont wrap it or take the pill rule to stand. Sure way to kill a persons sex life
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/25/2012 7:31:52 AM
According to the bible there is virgin birth and Noah fit a male and female of all specie on his Ark. What a crock of chit.

Try dating a die hard catholic who does not believe in birth contro cause the church says so. Look at the current law suit filed by the catholic church against the US.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Religion and modern relationships, is there a basic conflict?
Posted: 5/24/2012 2:54:28 PM
The 13th-century Cistercian monk and chronicler Peter of Vaux de Cernay claimed it was part of Catharist belief that the earthly Jesus Christ had a relationship with Mary Magdalene, described as his concubine. Quote: "Further, in their secret meetings they said that the Christ who was born in the earthly and visible Bethlehem and crucified at Jerusalem was 'evil', and that Mary Magdalene was his concubine – and that she was the woman taken in adultery who is referred to in the Scriptures; the 'good' Christ, they said, neither ate nor drank nor assumed the true flesh and was never in this world, except spiritually in the body of Paul. I have used the term 'the earthly and visible Bethlehem' because the heretics believed there is a different and invisible earth in which – according to some of them – the 'good' Christ was born and crucified." [77]

A document, possibly written by Ermengaud of Béziers, undated and anonymous and attached to his Treatise against Heretics,[78] makes a similar statement.[79]


Also they [the Cathars] teach in their secret meetings that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Christ. She was the Samaritan woman to whom He said, "Call thy husband." She was the woman taken into adultery, whom Christ set free lest the Jews stone her, and she was with Him in three places, in the temple, at the well, and in the garden. After the Resurrection, He appeared first to her.[80]
 
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