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 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Freedom of Speech?
Posted: 1/29/2015 3:22:12 PM

Well if you consider 2009 a long time I guess you are right.

The council bringing the antiquated law up was in 2009 - the law itself was drafted in 1868 and wasn't removed from the State's constitution when it was amended in 1971. So ya, the law is very old, musty, etc., PLUS: "Bothwell can't be forced out of office over his atheist views because the North Carolina provision is unenforceable, according to the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution. Six other states, Arkansas, Maryland, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, have similar provisions barring atheist officeholders.

In 1961, the U.S. Supreme Court reaffirmed that federal law prohibits states from requiring any kind of religious test to serve in office when it ruled in favor of a Maryland atheist seeking appointment as a notary public."

Unfortunately, the bible thumpers could still make it a pain in the butt attempting to go court if they have counsel who's as thumpy as them and refuses to heed the previous 1961 case law. Pretty twisted Christian behaviour as far as I'm concerned.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 735 (view)
 
speaking of not getting drunk at the party
Posted: 1/28/2015 2:18:18 PM

What is it about Governor Sarah L. Palin that drives such passion in people who don't like her?


Well, I wouldn't call it a passion, but I see her as much like the people who audition for American Idol who think they can sing and I have to turn the sound on my TV down so it doesn't make the dog howl. They're embarrassing themselves without realizing just how bad they are with that vacuous look on their faces, much like Palin when she opens her mouth to speak. The problem I see is that it also goes a long way (or should) to embarrassing the political parties that allow her to get to the positions she does. She falls into the same category as Toronto's Rob Ford.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 352 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/28/2015 10:21:49 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/crime-in-canada-falls-to-lowest-point-since-the-%e2%80%9960s/ar-AA8G7vg
Perhaps any statistical lowering of criminal activity with guns in the States (if it has lowered) has lowered for the same reasons criminal activity has in Canada, as per the above link, and has less to do with gun ownership scaring away the bad guys. Perhaps when the crime rate rises, it has more of a link to the Mice Utopia Experiment (behavioural sink), with pockets of over population, generational beliefs passed down in those areas, economic problems/mismanagement (of which the States has many), global unrest, etc. The perceived need for gun ownership seems to be the bandage on the State's overall hemorrhaging by not treating the wound adequately. Your government (democrats and republicans) is more interested in fighting each other for the sake of fighting each other than they are in doing what's right to create an overall healthier (mind and body) population in a number of areas. So what do you do to change that, rather than putting up with the status quo?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 78 (view)
 
A mad dog I may be, enjoy your newly acquired cur. At least I am fair and impartial.
Posted: 1/27/2015 3:06:44 PM
Just feel like putting my two cents in here for the hell of it... Firstly, physical violence wasn't threatened...it was stated as a wish - ya know, like I wish you'd stop posting to this thread and all of the other OP's threads like you said you were going to, but that doesn't seem that it will happen any more than the OP's wish is going to come true about slapping a fellow poster who purports to be a councillor but follows the OP around and provides equally caustic comments. I'm not attempting to chit disturb, just making an observation and pointing out that if you don't like a person who creates a thread, the onus is on you to not visit those threads. The man realizes he needs help and has been expressing that need, which happens to manifest itself in some of his posting history. Like it or leave it.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 312 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/27/2015 10:29:22 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hot-guns-fueling-crime-us-study/story?id=18318610 (2013)
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF (1995)
The above links are 18 years apart but each indicate a huge problem CAUSED by the constitutional right to own a gun which hasn't diminished over that period of time.

This is what I just don't get. The above links (and many others) indicate that a huge number of guns used in crime are obtained through theft/burglary, whatever term you prefer to use, from gun shops and from private residences. The sentiments of those indicating they have guns because it's their "constitutional right" and/or because they fear for their safety fail to realise that thousands of guns are used in the commission of crimes which are being obtained from homes which have been purchased legally from legally run gun shops. The gun shops wouldn't be in existence to be stolen from if the citizens weren't exercising their "constitutional right" to bring guns home, which are then stolen to be used in the commission of further armed crimes, which may include crimes against themselves, their loved ones and other innocent parties. On top of that, the number of mass murders have increased, with the number of automatic/semi-automatic weapons being used as the weapon of choice, having been obtained either by wingnuts who can purchase them legally, or having been stolen either from a family member, gun shop or by way of a home break in.

You then cry that it's not safe out there, so you'll have to get a gun to protect yourselves. From the statistics in the above links, as well from other websites, you seem to be unwittingly creating job security for the criminal and mentally deranged element that is causing you to obtain fire arms in the first place. As I see it, registration and legalization isn't the problem - ownership is.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Freedom of Speech?
Posted: 1/24/2015 8:54:02 AM
The Muslims in Saskatoon would be exercising their right to free speech. What's the problem? Although Charlie Hebdo wasn't necessarily creating hate speech per se, it created a predictable result. You can poke a placid dog to the point it may growl (a free speech protest), but you also can predictably poke a rabid dog with the same stick and it'll go for the jugular - there's no reasoning with it by politely asking it to calm down and telling it that, because it's a rabid dog, you have the right to poke at it. It's not rocket science. It would be better to concentrate on putting the rabid dogs out of their misery without constantly taunting them prior to doing so, and to co-exist peacefully with the placid ones.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 199 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/23/2015 11:10:22 AM

So now people also wish to blame innocent victims due to their houses being robbed by brazen criminals?
The clear solution here is to apprehend, arrest, prosecute, and imprison those proven evildoers in society.

The point being made is that the guns are being robbed from homes or gun shops where no one is using them in that moment to protect themselves. Those guns, that just have to be had, which aren't protecting anyone while being stolen, are often being used against them by the very criminals they cry they are protecting themselves from, or are being used by adults and teens who robbed to get them against other teens and adults, either accidentally or intentionally. The owners whose guns are robbed are a victim of a robbery at the time, but they have unwittingly, in their legalized right to own or sell a gun, created further victimization of others and potentially themselves by their perceived need express their "right". So yes, those "innocent victims" are, in effect, somewhat to blame in the end for their own paranoia that caused them to get a gun in the first place - ergo vicious circle of gun violence.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 195 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/23/2015 10:23:07 AM

What the NRA failed to include was that the robbers just worked during the day when owneres were away at work.

...and a number of those robbers were/are robbing guns from legally registered gun owners' homes, then going on to create the statistics of children and teens posted at the bottom of message 191. I see a vicious circle having been created.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 158 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/22/2015 2:06:32 PM

Unsure why people would be unnerved by your AR-15, shotgun, or sidearm as a decent and law-abiding person.

He's not your average citizen. He has proven abilities, unlike "most" other average citizens, many of whom have under-average abilities and mental faculties that are not put to rigorous testing. Just in these forums alone there are some half baked individuals who, if owning a gun, would make it unsafe to be around with the way they "go postal" if you simply have a difference of opinion.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

...and cars don't kill people, people kill people, which has been stated before. There are too many half baked people driving vehicles too that have no business having a driver's license - but hey, it's a right, no matter if they are chemically impaired, too old or too impaired in judgement after having been granted a license and deliberately flew under the radar in large numbers until a vehicle is under their care, custody and control. Just with vehicles - there aren't enough safeguards in place to ensure that those who own a gun actually have the ability to use them properly. For most, however, because of urban sprawl, it's almost a necessity to have vehicles - with guns it's more a case of urban brawl caused by gun ownership.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 150 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/22/2015 12:19:17 PM

why do liberals always try to compare stats and stuff to countries that have 1/10th of our population with totally different demographics?

It's simple math. 88/100 = 88% - it doesn't matter how large your population is. If you had half the population it would still be 44/50 = 88% of the population. It's not disdain for Americans, it's disdain for a belief system perpetrated by a "right". It's my right to believe some of the posters here are near idiots but it's not necessary to state they are just because I have the right to. If I did, it would then perpetuate a whole other dynamic with the posting - which is precisely what has happened by believing just because you have the right to have a gun, you'll get one. By so doing, your country has created a whole other dynamic/demographic - one of fear and violence within your own borders.

Perhaps your government was being thrifty - tell the population it's their right and have them pay out of pocket for that right, then when the zombie's start running amuck, there's the ready arsenal at no expense to the government.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 138 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/22/2015 10:32:49 AM
lol...never would have thought I'd like a lying cheat, but what ^^^he said.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 164 (view)
 
Men Who Never Learned to Cook
Posted: 1/22/2015 9:39:52 AM

Unfortunately , men do not like to be around masculine women , sorry , sad but true .

Does this mean that men don't like to be around women who can fend for themselves by doing some things that were only considered gender specific a number of years ago? If such is the case, wouldn't it, therefore, follow that a man who can fend for himself by cooking (cleaning, laundry, etc. - former female gender roles) is considered a feminine man? I'm thinking it's actually the opposite, particularly with respect to the original poster of the thread...unless you're a man who still "expects" women to do all the former "female" duties, in which case that's more the thinking of a man who is afraid he'd look more feminine if he cooks in the presence of (or for) a female and therefore plays dumb like he doesn't have a clue how to cook...anything.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 63 (view)
 
2016 guess.
Posted: 1/21/2015 3:17:15 PM

Hilary is too ugly to get elected to anything. And most women cannot respect a woman who allows her husband to behave the way he did.

...and this, folks, sadly, is the reasoning behind the way too many people cast their votes (even if the above was possibly posted in jest).
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Your relationship theme song(s)
Posted: 1/21/2015 1:43:08 PM
Take Me to Church - Hozier
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 68 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/20/2015 1:55:38 PM

A gun, just like a car, is nothing more than a tool. An inanimate object meant to be used in a responsible manner by responsible people.

...such as the "responsible" mother who was shot by her child? With the threads just on irresponsible police officers who are thought to be responsible at the time they are given the guns, along with hours of training both on and off the job, what do you believe the percentage of "responsible" citizens at large are out there who would fly under the radar of any possible psychological (logical being the key word) testing (which isn't done)? This doesn't even factor in the number of criminal offenses committed while using stolen guns from licensed holders. I can see, with the rising fear of radical Islamics that there is going to be an increase in shootings by both licensed and unlicensed individuals shooting their friendly neighbourhood Muslim, believing that if you're a Muslim, you must, therefore, be a radical Islamic, so shoot first and ask questions later.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 37 (view)
 
Polyamorous
Posted: 1/20/2015 1:20:11 PM
Maybe she already has the girl lined up and met her about half a year ago or so, loves her already, the two of them are open to sharing you (when they feel like it) and now you're the only one needed to be convinced of it. If that's the case, she's not been up front with you. If you only learned of her bisexuality half a year ago, rather than knowing it from the outset (you didn't say when you found out she was bi), that adds more fodder to her possible ability of being deceitful about the situation as described above. From what I've seen from documentaries, etc., these types of relationships are extremely difficult for those who have grown up with polygamy and have seen the pros and cons of it first hand. I can't imagine the problems that would come about by those suddenly thrusting themselves into it (minus the religious aspect), particularly when it was the thought of one individual who has to "convince" the other of its merits. If it didn't appeal to you strongly from the outset, it's probably an idea doomed for failure.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Armed pizza robber gets extra topping.
Posted: 1/20/2015 9:44:26 AM

The RCMP officer shot in St. Albert, Alberta on Saturday will be taken off life support tomorrow (head shot) and the other officer was released (through the side and out his back). The one on life support has a wife and three young children. This is sad, sad. They are in a way my extended family so when folks talk out of their azz, puff up their chest I consider the source and call bullshit.

Yes, this is incredibly sad - I'm from St. Albert. We have "gun control" here - fat lot of good it does. The bigger problem is the creep who shortly after offed himself was a career criminal and shouldn't have been on the streets in the first place but was because of a bleeding heart judicial system. Having said that, I can see even further carnage if every person in the casino it happened in had a gun, took aim and shot each other in their frightened, untrained state.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 55 (view)
 
HELP - PLZ ! SHE DOESNT WANT KIDS - I DO!!
Posted: 1/20/2015 9:28:16 AM
This is akin to expecting a person with a fear of flying and heights to jump out of a plane just because you get an adrenaline rush from it. If that's your thing, find someone who's interested in it too instead of insisting that "because I love you, you should do this for me". Sounds like a mama's boy who is used to getting his way every time he stomps his feet. Yuck!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 83 (view)
 
Men Who Never Learned to Cook
Posted: 1/20/2015 9:19:14 AM
My ex never cooked other than heating stuff up or an occasional fried egg but at least he'd ask if I wanted the same on those odd occasions. Some time after we parted ways, he asked me to make him a cookbook of all his favourite recipes I used to cook for him and apparently refers to it often and now cooks for his girlfriend. Funny how that goes. Me thinks it was more a case of me letting him get away with expectations of me doing the cooking, rather than him refusing to do it. You only get walked on or used as much as you allow yourself to be, whether it's cooking or anything else. Had I let him fend for himself frequently, I may have had the pleasure of the occasional full home cooked meal from him while he learned what he's now learned. As it was, he reciprocated in his own way with restaurant or fast food. Now, I still don't "expect" a guy to cook for me and he's s.o.l. if he "expects" me to cook for him. Every guy I've been with since has probably made as many meals for me as I have for them, probably because they wound up having to learn by fending for themselves. I like cooking - I hate the clean up. I'd gladly cook every meal if the trade off was that someone else did the cleaning.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Falling In Love Right Now...
Posted: 1/19/2015 1:23:06 PM
Was it the questions and the responses by each that made them "fall in love" or was it the staring in the eyes for four minutes that did the trick? Was it just the person who recreated the test who thought she was in love (susceptibility to garbage) or was it the acquaintance as well? Maybe it was the booze in the bar that contributed to the "feeling". Regardless, anyone who buys into this kind of hooey will buy the proverbial swampland in Florida. The only good thing about the test is that it has created a start point for opening up some form of communication - ya know, at a time where people are generally on their best behaviours and give you answers they think you may want to hear and not what they actually think. At best, they fell in "like" and Arther Aron made himself some money for a period of time.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Rejection Therapy
Posted: 1/18/2015 8:47:05 AM
I'd take the example out of sports and put into the game of life. Would you say the same thing...that everyone should be able to fill the same position,regardless of their abilities? This already happens all too often, that individuals are in positions they aren't qualified for because someone was being "nice" to them or as a favor to someone else. Rejection is all around us and we need to develop coping skills for it, not expect to go through life being handed things or expect things because it makes us feel bad because we lack certain abilities. Learn to hone the abilities you do have and excel at those.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Rejection Therapy
Posted: 1/16/2015 12:02:41 PM
Car salesmen go into it with the idea of the principle of probability - for x number of no sales, you get x number of sales that are pay-offs. The same as x number of cold calls when telephone soliciting will give you x number of rejections and x number of pay-offs. In those cases it's a rejection of a product, not a rejection of self. With rejection in dating, you are the product. In both cases, however, if you find certain things aren't bringing you closer to your ultimate goal (sale or relationship), you change your approach and become more successful. It's not facing the fear itself that is the bell ringer as much as it is understanding what it is about you that will make the difference in reaching your desired goal, whether it be a car salesman or a individual seeking a relationship.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 17 (view)
 
A mad dog I may be, enjoy your newly acquired cur. At least I am fair and impartial.
Posted: 1/16/2015 9:47:26 AM
You have half the battle licked, realizing that you do have the problems as explained by you. Too many people in your position continue with the belief it's everyone else's fault for the way they feel and interact. You indicated you received psychotherapy which was helpful but that you also find you are talked down to by professionals. Perhaps you would find it helpful to work on further cognitive behaviour therapy techniques through exercises such as those found in "The Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Workbook for Personality Disorders: A Step-by-Step Program" or some such other self-help book.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 121 (view)
 
Platonic relationship just to have a child
Posted: 1/15/2015 12:10:31 PM

They will be fine and it will all work out but it just seems a shame and like something very important is missing.




does advertisity (if a divorce happens) make a child better? I'm sure someone can look up the science behind it.


And some of them even become POTUS, who didn't even know his father at all while growing up, which is not the intent of the OP. There are plenty of two parent "cohabiting" parents where one of them is away half the year or more on business, and yet it works. Is this idea presented much different? Two people, man and woman, actively being involved in the child's life, emotionally, physically and financially, just perhaps not in the same way that some posters are comfortable with themselves because of their own experiences/preferences.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 116 (view)
 
Platonic relationship just to have a child
Posted: 1/15/2015 11:34:53 AM

What the hell - how do you all skip GTO's solid logic? He is saying adopt, don't bring another kid into the world because you want to be selfish and have it be half you.

Tell all married couples the same thing then...don't reproduce and bring a child into the world because you want to be selfish and have it be half of you. Let's bring a world law into effect of no more children under penalty of death until all children of the world have been adopted. It makes more sense for people (two people, not just the OP) to knowingly have children that are wanted in the first place, such as in the OP's case, rather than what seems to be the current unthinking/unplanning norm for so many.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 111 (view)
 
Platonic relationship just to have a child
Posted: 1/15/2015 11:07:11 AM

Are you men just being obnoxious or can you not fathom that a "man" could actually love or want a child is willing to pay their share without having a romantic link to the mother?
May not be your sweet deal but could be someone elses....duh!

No kidding! Goes to show how many men think of their kids only as a hit to their bank account, or that they were duped into having kids they didn't want after they participated in unprotected sex, or had a pregnancy occur first and then got married to a woman they weren't a right fit with in the first place. This is a 50/50 eyes wide open proposition being put forth from the get go, not a case of being duped and then having to pay for a child you obviously have no interest in - to the contrary. Maybe it's a reading comprehension thing or strictly an inability to think outside of the conventional box.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1661 (view)
 
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/15/2015 10:46:23 AM

didn't ANYONE on this thread ever actually work in a business or did you just play golf????
Er, yup, so happens I'm self-employed so do have a clue what it takes to run a business, never mind work for one. If your "story" is even true, I can't help that you weren't inventive enough to keep your business running because of the 10%, opted to sell in a hissy fit and were the cause of 6 people ultimately being out of a job. There are plenty of gyms with tanning salons and stand alone salons here in very close proximity, with each being taxed in a different manner. You ultimately were responsible in the end for the 6 people being out of a job because YOU wanted to continue to line YOUR pocket the way you were previously accustomed to instead of slightly downsizing your operation. You're guilty of exactly what you're attempting to accuse Obama of. Keeping or putting more money in your pocket at the expense of the livelihood of others.

lmfao...you're such a class act. The trouble is, there are so many clueless morons out there like you, which is more at the heart of your country's problem than anything else.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1656 (view)
 
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/15/2015 9:15:36 AM

the tanning salon was just one of my businesses and I didn't work there. I had a manager and 5 employees all making an honest living.

then B.O. put a brand new 10% tax on tanning salons but not on fitness gyms that also had tanning. when I saw that I SOLD the tanning business to a woman who fired all my employees putting them on unemployment with the new owner and her daughter taking all the hours. my former employees are still on gov't assistance and the new owner of the salon closed up shop when a planet fitness moved in nearby who didn't have to pay the 10% tax.

Yup, this makes as much sense as the rest of your nonsensical posts. You close up shop because you are facing a 10% tax. Let's use nice round numbers. Say you were bringing in a profit of $50,000. Take 10% off of that for a reduction of $5,000 in profit. The person you sell to doesn't like the 10% tax either so fires EVERYone, putting 6 people out of a job. You could have had one of the 6 people you had working work part-time, the rest working the hours they were, ate the 10%, and kept the people working who are apparently "still on government assistance". In effect, you cut the nose off of 6 employees to spite your own face and then have the nerve to blame it on Obama because all 6 employees are still on social assistance. Who's the douchebag?? Oh right, you were making a statement about being unfairly taxed. Funny thing is those who are still in the business and paying the 10% tax are having a portion of said tax going toward the social assistance your jobless past employees are collecting. Carry on...
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Platonic relationship just to have a child
Posted: 1/13/2015 4:00:15 PM
It sounds good in theory and I see it becoming mainstream in the future, being that nearly 50% of marriages alone end in divorce, not to mention all the other partnership breakdowns and unplanned pregnancies that happen out there. The huge hurdle is finding someone willing to follow through with the "contract". Although you could perhaps force someone to follow through on the financial legalities of it, you wouldn't be able to ensure that the emotional, fathering support would be there when needed - but that's nothing new in today's society anyway. At least there would be more hope held out for it this way than the willy nilly way so many people, men AND women, go about having and neglecting kids, both financially and emotionally. I wish you luck.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Will you settle?
Posted: 1/13/2015 1:41:34 PM

So, realize that to some degree we are all settling, but that does not mean, that we settle for anything. We define our standards and we stick to them.


Pretty much what he said^^. To some degree, everyone settles - there is no such thing as an individual 100% perfect for everyone, no matter what age you are.


Have you considered that once you've waited that long, you may end up completely alone, with no one to depend on as relatives pass away?

That's a pretty sad commentary that the rest of your life, past 50/60, should be based on having no one to depend on as relatives pass away. However, I do know some people (my ex for instance) who are with a person for that very reason. I'd sooner have and continue to develop friendships with a number of people of both sexes than to actually live with someone I had "settled for" and who drove me up the wall on a daily basis. To me, that's a far worse existence than living alone - too much angst and stress.


Are you content knowing that one day you may die and no one will even know for weeks or months?

Again, you have to be an individual who has pretty much isolated yourself from people in general for that to take place. Having said that, it wouldn't bother me - I'd be dead. I just wouldn't want others to be faced with my remains in that condition for their sake, no matter who they are.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Guy 'forced' me to agree to a date?
Posted: 1/12/2015 12:20:41 PM
Free will - learn how to use it and stop making excuses when you make the incorrect decision (which from reading these forums, isn't something unique to just the young).
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 230 (view)
 
Atheism, dating and relationships
Posted: 1/12/2015 11:57:22 AM

Religion is fabric,and I worry about its loss.You can see it all around you....a blind lady slipped on the ice and into a traffic lane on McLeod Trail here last week.She couldn't get up and cars honked and drove around her till two city of Calgary employees came upon her....

Not sure if I'm interpreting this the way you intended but it almost sounds as though you are being critical of people not stopping for the blind lady and driving around her because of a lack of religion, which would mean that it was specifically unreligious people who didn't stop and the City of Calgary employees only stopped either because clearing roadways was part of their job or because you have knowledge that they were religious. In either instance, one has no way of knowing if those who drove by or those who stopped had any religious beliefs (god/gods), an undecided viewpoint, or an absolute disbelief in religion. What it does boil down to though is a distinct lack of character in all who drove by her, no matter their beliefs, which leads me to the conclusion that being religious is no determination of a person's good character (like that's some kind of news flash).



To be clear, people do employ belief and faith all the time in their daily lives.

I have faith most people will obey traffic laws and not turn in front of me at an intersection. I believe there we did land on the moon, and I believe there are in fact other countries that I have never visited. I believe and have faith in vaccines to prevent disease. I can't verify for myself many things that I have to take on faith.

So it's more a matter of what you elect to take on faith, but in order to live in a complex society we have to take many things on faith.


Would the above not more be a case of having evidence that people, for the most part, have been PROVEN to obey traffic laws so you take the "judgement" call within yourself to drive through the intersections during your turn, there was PROOF of landing on the moon, that you have KNOWLEDGE that you haven't visited other countries, and that vaccines have been PROVEN to prevent, in major ways, the spread if disease?? I wouldn't put your examples down to any belief or faith system, particularly in a religious sense.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 4 (view)
 
views on dogs living indoors
Posted: 1/9/2015 2:59:08 PM

Thinks people who have pets indoors are "dirty"


Then he's considered his girlfriend dirty from the getgo because he's known all along that she's had her dog live indoors with her. If it was such an issue, knowing this from the beginning, the onus would have been on him to not continue the relationship in the first place - not to get into one and then attempt to be a control freak.

Poor dogs...
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 200 (view)
 
Atheism, dating and relationships
Posted: 1/9/2015 12:41:10 PM
It's odd, isn't it, how the brain processes things. I look at it this way: Children are told when they are young that there is a tooth fairy, a Santa Clause, an Easter bunny and any number of other things as they are growing up - blind faith. Stories are told in each case to make it more believable and it is believed until they are told it's all been just a story (horrible, when you really thing of it - the trust of innocence first begins to unravel). If they were not told these stories when growing up, they wouldn't have had something to believe in the first place.

When it comes to religions, I view it as much the same. A story has been told, no matter the faith, and it is believed. The exception is that no one who told the stories has killed the belief, but instead, perpetuated it past childhood because that's how the storyteller was brought up as well.

Whether there is or is not a god(s), is an unknown (those with blind faith, of course, will tell you differently). It's human nature for many to have an overwhelming fear of the unknown (how we came to be, etc.). This overwhelming fear of the unknown causes a blind faith in the stories behind the religions. It provides answers to the unknown and provides a sense of relief or well-being. For some people that's necessary - for other's it's not. To each his own. Again, the only thing I object to when it comes to other's beliefs is when it crosses the boundary of impacting my life or destroying the lives of others - then it's no longer to each his own.

Which brings me to the question of what would the world be like if there were no religions? The same, I'm sure. It wouldn't be called religion, it would be called something akin to a moral code and we know how varying those are - they're at the heart of religion...and politics. You don't need religion to be of good character. For some, however, it keeps them in line to co-exist with others and for others, unfortunately, they use it as an excuse to not be of good character.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 159 (view)
 
Atheism, dating and relationships
Posted: 1/7/2015 2:25:26 PM
I'm more likely to be open to the fact there are life forms on other planets than there is/are a god/gods. We are here and we are living proof that we are here. If it confirms to me that it's possible to live on a planet under our particular circumstances, I don't see why it would be impossible for other life forms to live on other planets. I don't have proof of god/gods as I haven't been shown any form of proof. Bibles, aren't proof any more than the TV programme Ancient Aliens provides proof of aliens having been here. They are manmade writings that have been changed throughout the history of them. I view them much as I do Aesop's Fables. I'm agnostic with atheist leanings.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1334 (view)
 
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/6/2015 10:38:26 PM

You can quit wondering... You see... that happened a long... long... time ago... The '70's to be exact... and the main alternatives were... womon/womyn... and womon/wimmin... It took off real well... didn't it...? all that "political correctness to the point of absurdity"... and you either didn't know about it... or had forgotten it...


First re your previous post to the above, yes, having now looked back, you are correct that you stated "reversion" rather than revision. You were still missing my point, however, which I reiterated, that political correctness is getting absurd as the reason for wanting the anthem revised.

Re feigned political correctness with misandry at its root, unfortunately, I've allowed myself to go off topic in this thread for which I apologise to others debating. I'll look for an existing thread on the topic instead of taking up further space here. Meet you there.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1324 (view)
 
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/6/2015 4:18:12 PM

Be prepared to justify your answer in relation to these points... the change in language Mauril proposes... is something of a reversion to the original lyrics... but with a phrasing even more modern than the 1914 change... The change made in 1914 was itself a modernization of the original lyrics...


The song has gone through more than just "something of a revision" to the 1914 version. It's unrecognisable from the actual original. See http://www.pch.gc.ca/eng/1359402373291/1359402467746#a1.1

The original point of my comments to the post to which I was referring was that there is a constant push for political correctness to the point of absurdity. The most recent change being proposed is because the song is deemed sexist due to the word "son", with it being pointed out by the politically correct police that now women serving our country are being excluded by leaving it in. Next it will be proposed to be changed because it has the word God in it because it offends an ever growing number of atheists or a religious group who are offended by it. Other examples were that some want to see "first year student" instead of freshMAN. On and on it goes. One can only wonder what word they will want to change woMAN to because it's deemed somehow sexist.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 105 (view)
 
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype do
Posted: 1/6/2015 12:43:23 PM

I read in the newspaper that 1 in 18 drivers in my state test positive for THC .

Were you tested and everyone you personally know tested? If not, the statistic can't be accurate and can't even be considered a "trend". If it were 1 in 18 drivers in your state who were "pulled over" and tested, it would be a slightly more informative and accurate statistic. If it was further stated on which stretch of road and when, it would be an even more accurate statistic. It isn't being dismissive of statistics just because you don't know how they are collected. It's more a case of unrealistically believing every statistic you come across without an understanding of how they were compiled, by whom and for what purpose - many have an ulterior motive behind them.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Aitzaz Hasan Day
Posted: 1/6/2015 12:26:18 PM
The end result is extremely unfortunate for Aitzaz Hasan. It's really a shame that more from his country (and all countries) are unable to distinguish inherent right from wrong and are, instead, sheeple who follow crazy-azzed herders.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 2 (view)
 
old emails
Posted: 1/6/2015 11:09:18 AM
I suppose it depends on the content of the emails and who it's from. I keep a select few from relatives and have been glad I did when they passed - much like looking fondly at their pictures. Reading the words brings a smile to my face of fond memories of the individual (wish I had some from my parents who passed years ago). From people I've dated? I don't have the same desire, although I don't actively go around throwing out their pictures. I suppose if I had horrible experiences I'd perhaps think differently, but that's not the case for me personally.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1319 (view)
 
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/6/2015 9:19:22 AM
^^^ "Up here in Canada" it's just as stupid, with this as just one example: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/o-canada-is-sexist-needs-updating-mp-says-in-new-push-for-change-1.2020543
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
What could I / should I have done?
Posted: 1/5/2015 3:57:49 PM
Maybe yes or no answers were all she could fit in between your self-proclaimed non-stop chatter?? Yelling at a person for giving a yes or no answer to a question in a vehicle?...but the rest of the time you had great conversations? Me thinks a lot is being left out of the story. It's generally the case here.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 80 (view)
 
Passive aggressive complex - Malicious intent to dissolve sense of self worth? Or am I just crazy?
Posted: 1/5/2015 11:24:29 AM
Oh brother...

...and now the friend she thought she had tells her she can get raped all day long and to get out of his life. Logic would dictate that would tip a fragile person even further over the edge. If there's blood on your hands if she dies tonight, you definitely have played a part in it, with no rapist in sight. Don't give up whatever the hell it is you do for that of a job as a crisis line worker - the suicide rate would rise.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 77 (view)
 
Passive aggressive complex - Malicious intent to dissolve sense of self worth? Or am I just crazy?
Posted: 1/5/2015 10:57:44 AM
Wow...just wow.
1. You have a friend who you are trying to get to see the error of her ways continuing in a sick sad relationship.
2. Friend continues with sick sad relationship and experiences a rape.
3. Friend asks you not to report the rape to Anyone, as she's brought this to you in confidence, as friends tend to do.
4. You dismiss her request because you believe you are justifiable in attempting to alleviate your own guilt of knowing about the rape and don't want to be seen as sitting idly by (absolving your own conscience), even though she was wearing evidence and still could not be talked into going to authorities.
5. Friend becomes enraged with you for betraying her confidence to her mother, during a time when she was in even more of a state of confusion and angst by what had happened to her.
6. You become angry that she became enraged with you for attempting to come to her assistance when specifically asked not to.
7. Friend apologizes for lashing out.
8. You do not accept the apology and tell her to get raped all day long and to get out of your life.
9. Go look up the definition of "friend" and preface it with the word "good" as you have previously done.
10. This seems to be more about you than your "good friend".

The end.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Passive aggressive complex - Malicious intent to dissolve sense of self worth? Or am I just crazy?
Posted: 1/5/2015 9:11:48 AM
The plot has definitely thickened since my first visit to this thread.

An understanding of psychology through scholastics and having been damaged by psychologically damaging events through your life doesn't necessarily make you the best candidate to be in a position to assist anyone else...psychologically...be it a friend or a potential patient down the road.

You have a friend who has deficits, herself, because she doesn't have the common sense/self-esteem to have left a "boyfriend" that treats her poorly to the point it escalates to rape. You couldn't fix that...you won't be able to "fix" any number of patients if that's the path you are choosing to take. You have a great deal of empathy for people and become extremely frustrated to the point you want to draw blood. It's frightening that there are so many people such as yourself out there who want to help/fix others who are in the field of psychology/psychiatry who aren't on an even keel themselves. Take psychology to attempt to understand your own past and present feelings about yourself and your own life, along with treatment, but I'd suggest you're really in no position to believe you can be effective at "treating" others, including friends.

This doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you misguided in the belief of your abilities.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Atheism, dating and relationships
Posted: 1/4/2015 1:03:34 PM

I don't see how it ultimately could be worth it for either side to compromise... whether the differing opinions are about religion, or anything.


?? It's only "worth it" if everyone's opinions are identical about religion and everything else? Or did I misread?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Atheism, dating and relationships
Posted: 1/4/2015 8:03:17 AM

"An atheist a vegan and a Crossfitter walk into a bar. I only know because they told everyone within two minutes"


Good one Ouija - isn't that the truth! It's not so much the belief a person has within them so much as their attempts to shove it down everyone else's throat. I could be with a person who has a religious belief, but not if every second thought out of their mouth was tied to their religion or if they were attempting to convert me. Likewise, I'm sure the same could be said if the opposite held true.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Respectable men are really hard to find
Posted: 1/3/2015 7:57:31 AM
If someone will write to you without taking into consideration what you have stated you specifically don't want, then don't feel compelled to write them back and explain anything. You owe them nothing.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
need some advice
Posted: 1/3/2015 7:52:45 AM
If it was a huge issue to him about the parentage of her kids, he'd be telling you about how much it bothered him and he'd likely call things off himself. It may not bother him at all. What should bother him is agreeing to marry her after 3 months, which is hardly long enough to know her in any number of ways. It ticks me off when people draw their kids willy nilly into their relationships without a thought in their head how it will affect those kids. It's bad enough when people without kids jump the marriage gun without knowing each other.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Are you attracted to 'Crazy'?
Posted: 1/2/2015 1:53:58 PM
Being attracted to crazy is much like water seeking it's own level. Nope, not attracted to it. I tend to go for level headed and realistic and get annoyed quickly with "crazy".
 
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