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aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/28/2013 8:41:44 PM
well if there was nothing once, and there is something now, didn't something get created along the way, somehow?

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/28/2013 11:33:47 AM
your post is mostly opinions. of course there was a creation. the universe was created by the latest opinion of how science thinks it was created. even if you think it was created by some fluctuating this or that, it was still created. your own high priests of evolution denigrate evo enough. read their stuff, read between the lines. its not hard to see the doubt.

aremeself

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What is your idea of heaven? Posted: 4/27/2013 10:15:15 PM
we are 'made' for living on earth. life is pretty rough for a vast amount of people.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/27/2013 9:34:49 PM
''. That fact does away with the god delusion'' ..................no it doesn't. that's an atheist dream. did I miss it, or did you say whether energy existed before the creation of the universe?

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/27/2013 4:55:32 PM
dame; you wont commit to an evolutionary story that solidified your belief in evo, molecules to man. its good that you are making stuff up though, evolutionary so called science does it all the time.

aremeself

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What is your idea of heaven? Posted: 4/27/2013 11:08:00 AM
living on a properly functioning earth.

aremeself

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Is this a flaw in Darwins theory or my thinking? Posted: 4/26/2013 11:46:45 PM
yes, I understand your reasoning. but, carry it on to your beliefs too, yes? if you want to discuss a particular story of evo. and, actually I've talked too people that think a person being as smart as a creator couldn't possibly exist, so they think it happened basically by itself. [naturalistic laws somehow appeared] wow, is that an oxymoron or what? god, never! unintelligently, ok. which evolutionary story have you dissected? it may be hard for you and others to believe, but there are no facts of evolution either, just evidence interpreted for evo. do you know of one fact that isn't an empty assurance? as far as I am concerned these threads are for learning and looking up info.

aremeself

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Is this a flaw in Darwins theory or my thinking? Posted: 4/26/2013 11:09:05 PM
religion has nothing to do with god. organized religion is worse that fake science. don't waste time going down that path, unless it makes it simpler for you, I guess. I'm not going to defend organized religion, or any. why? just disposing evo one step at a time is enough. do you believe that breeding dogs with available genetics has anything to do with chimp to man evo?

aremeself

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Is this a flaw in Darwins theory or my thinking? Posted: 4/26/2013 11:02:13 PM
so energy was here before the universe and time, in some ones opinion? or is it the belief that we don't have to worry about 'before' the universe was here? like I said evolution can be refuted one step at a time. the ones that I understand. I'll try to find some info on this, never heard of it. ''creationism was refuted about 200 years ago by the First Law of Thermodynamics. It’s never too late too learn a little basic physics.'' please tell what the 1st law of thermodynamic has to do with creation not have happened. if energy was here forever, then many things could have been here forever. bacteria are always bacteria, as far as we can prove. It's never to late to learn a little biology.

aremeself

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Is this a flaw in Darwins theory or my thinking? Posted: 4/26/2013 10:51:17 PM
refuting creationism is impossible. real science doesn't even try, it can't. refuting evo one belief at a time is a lot easier. dogs, for example, very easy to refute.

aremeself

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Children can now go to heaven... Posted: 4/25/2013 10:29:23 PM
wow! are there still intelligent people that rely on a paid pope for critical truths???????????????

aremeself

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Is this a flaw in Darwins theory or my thinking? Posted: 4/25/2013 10:11:32 PM
spark: you'll have to study a bit and figure it out for yourself, won't take long if you are honest with yourself. dogs, stickleback, and a host of other examples are changes alright, but they all lose genetic information. not the kind of examples you are looking for in the molecules to chimp to man evolution.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/24/2013 1:42:28 AM
everything in the universe seems to have a function, I think. do asteroids help dissipate unwanted planet harmonics, if there is such a thing?

aremeself

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Children can now go to heaven... Posted: 4/24/2013 1:02:51 AM
religions are for the most part pretty f---ed up. I mean, that's pretty easy to see, isn't it?

aremeself

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Do christians have the right to impose their views/values on the larger society ? Posted: 4/24/2013 12:31:39 AM
no. and which Christians? its really about finding truth, do it personally. the world is not run theoretically this time.

aremeself

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An Atheism Thread For the Rest of US Posted: 4/24/2013 12:20:58 AM
religions mostly contradict each other. at least that's what I see.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/23/2013 11:59:54 PM
dukky!.......you just admitted the stories change, why not just say you don't know, in that department? I can't [impossible for me] believe anything I don't understand. It would be silly. for me, anyways.

aremeself

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Psychotic or Logical Posted: 4/22/2013 7:47:08 PM
we can create all kinds of non winnable stories like that. they will never happen in real life. it's all the little decisions that reveal you. and besides, you'll never know what you will do until the opportunity presents itself. sorry if off topic, thought it was worth it.

aremeself

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It's been a year, he won't give me oral! Posted: 4/22/2013 7:18:07 PM
no secrets about myself, but, some guys just don't like to do that! put it in the wedding vows.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/22/2013 6:53:24 PM
see dukky, I cant do that at all anymore. there's just way too much bullshit out there past off as science. [most what we call science has never ever, and some even cant be experimented the proper way.] dukky, you owe it to yourself to check out at least one thing in a serious fashion. bacterial evolution is a pretty simplistic one to study and see that there is no real evidence for molecules to man. no evidence there that really shows how dna would or did get from non to billions of lines of info. oh hell, there's no way to see how life could even get off the rocks! at least everyone should realize they are for now nothing but stories.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/22/2013 12:15:55 AM
And this ^ is not a productive attitude, and would never get the job done. and yet, what I said is true.

aremeself

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this ladies, is how good guys become jerks Posted: 4/22/2013 12:01:06 AM
lots of martyrs out there, reminds me of a thread on the science forum about altruism. I think it doesn't exist, unless intrinsic rewards don't count as benefits. anyway, hang around with more settled down people, I guess. do some more growing up, eh?

aremeself

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Bf rarely wants sex Posted: 4/21/2013 11:33:35 PM
well, it's you guyses problem, what to do. reason number 248 to break up.

aremeself

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It's been a year, he won't give me oral! Posted: 4/21/2013 11:26:50 PM
reason number 247 to break up.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/21/2013 11:10:44 PM
''"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." - Voltaire '' I am laughing now! George Carlin's religion jokes make me laugh too! duk, do you believe all the shit they try to pass as science? say no!!

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/21/2013 8:27:01 PM
''But the trick is answering the question, knowing how to do so, and figuring out how to know how to do so, etc.'' a materialistic natural answer? well, no one can do that right now. its all conjecture and fun. as long as everyone understands that. science aint got a thing that does away with a creator, as some believe. what science discovers is only gods process. which is what these laws can be interpreted as just as easy.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/21/2013 6:06:01 PM
dukky to create a universe you need 'something' to set it in motion, and all the laws of physics. and, 'it's' all created out of nothing. because there was nothing. take away the laws, and it ALL disappears. stuff only exits today because of some fine tuned laws that were set in place somewhere around the beginning of the universe. it either happened by itself, or somebody did it.

aremeself

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Speculating on the edge of Cosmology/Quantum Theory Posted: 4/21/2013 1:58:44 PM
to: drinkthesunwithmyface Msg: 6 ''And, whether or not there's a creator has nothing to do with religion. That's not what religion is about. Also, I'm kinda sure that if there's a creator of a godlike sort, that he/she could create without science. Science is the act of man thinking about things. A godlike creator wouldn't need that.'' ''And it certainly isn't a symbiotic relationship. Science would do much, much better without the other. It's more like a destructive parasitic relationship''. ''And, whether or not there's a creator has nothing to do with religion. That's not what religion is about'' THAT is so true, if you are referring to almost ALL of organized religion. almost all of organized religion is dishonest. ''I'm kinda sure that if there's a creator of a godlike sort, that he/she could create without science. Science is the act of man thinking about things''. it's god's science, [that we are discovering], if there is a god. I believe modern science [scientific process] was initiated by god believers also. the science we are discovering was the process used by god. god uses processes, if there is a god, of course. science is the act of man DICOVERING things. ''And it certainly isn't a symbiotic relationship. Science would do much, much better without the other. It's more like a destructive parasitic relationship''. they are both pretty mucked up by humans, but science and religion have to agree 100% eventually, or one or both are wrong, at least on some, or many points.

aremeself

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Does Religion cause Wars Posted: 4/1/2013 11:53:55 PM
does religion cause wars??? sure! next question; should we outlaw religion??? yes! many say. next question; does selfish cause wars??? yup! how you gunna outlaw that???

aremeself

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morality Posted: 4/1/2013 10:49:49 PM
most will have another chance, including many of the Canaanites. why would god even want this recorded? isn't it odd that god would incriminate himself like this? morality is pretty hard to talk about, when we ALL have our own versions. we need a rule book.

aremeself

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Historical question: The most important person in the development of western culture Posted: 12/30/2012 7:55:33 PM
so, satan being the most important and influential in the development of western culture is a pass then?

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/30/2012 7:45:21 PM
even evolutionary people wince at your statements. they are keeping very quiet though. coding dna is only the list. much more processing information is needed to keep life going. we know very little about even the coding dna. and almost nothing about the other 97 or so %. demi, can you google?.......read? your behind man, even for a layman. why are you so pst off? smarten me up and inteligently and accurately debunk me. then I WILL change my views. know what dogma is? it's not just in religion.

aremeself

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Timothy Ball on Climate Change Denial Posted: 12/30/2012 7:12:36 PM
so tell me, in your condescending ways, how the changing behaviour of the big gas ball in the sky has no effect on earthly warmth. you assume too much. that's one judgment to eighteen.

aremeself

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Vipassana Meditation Posted: 12/30/2012 6:59:52 PM
I can explain more if you want, it's no big deal. but, let me ask you as to how you think everything got to exist from nothing? or do you think something have to give it a shove [a strong extremely organized push]?

aremeself

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Historical question: The most important person in the development of western culture Posted: 12/30/2012 6:52:45 PM
jesus seems to be accepted here, and almost all on here think he is imaginary. so imaginary people are ok on here then. [I mean jesus, as the son of god]

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/30/2012 6:37:17 PM
drink perhaps you could explain to these two how science at the present time does not have a grasp on explaining how life picked up new dna information to go from some sort of prehistoric amoeba with little or no dna, to us with basically three billion close to perfect dna base pairs [except for the few harmful mutations that some of us are born with]. that's assuming there is no junk, which it is looking like more and more. evolution is only an idea at the present time. use your own words. we can't live or reproduce with more than an extremely small amount of crap in our dna. sometimes only one mutated base pair screws us up pretty good. it's a good thing that most mutations are regressive, or we would be looking pretty bad by now, or maybe even be extinct.

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/30/2012 6:09:32 PM
I see no love, which would be abundant if you pitied me. you resorted to ad hominem right from the start. I have been polite the whole time. anyway, you haven't comented on my genetic observances. we will assume that you have no education on the matter then. you can just shut up if you want, like you have promised you would, several times. hey! you two, if you can explain before an imaginary god, or just a smart person, how everything started, with detailed facts, we would have something. but, if you have no real idea how things arrived here from less than what we think is nothing................well..... you will be parroting stuff you know nothing about..........or what? hope you have a good memory then.

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/30/2012 10:43:18 AM
sorry? well, this pig knows that breeding involves AVAILABLE genetic material. and birds and other speicies adapt with AVAILABLE genetic information. if you can show how the aves aquired new genetic information, the world will be amazed! did you know that as living things adapt, they actually LOSE genetic information? living things can adapt a LIMITED amount of times. BUT you already knew that, didn't you? another thing you probably already know is that ALL of the information to make ALL of the dogs we see was in those first dogs that ALL dogs come from. called front loading. [coincidentally, of course!] so demi, you want me to just believe those dogmatic evolutionary stories because you say so? you know that they are just stories, right??

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 10:45:23 PM
hey demi, I'm not trying to fool anyone, you are though. a hoatzin is a bird with claws, a platapus has a bill like a duck, monkeys and you have same amount of fingers, etc. monkeys and cats both have tails. i could go on for a week. do you and others read more into that? or, and, are you just parroting again? think for yourself man, gee! actual evidence that birds came from dinos is pretty much non existant except for a whole pile of wishfull imagination. oh, and art work. bones are different breathing very different birds are warm blooded so they think they found dino fossils with feathers, well, you might have by now guessed it, that's dinos with feathers, now you are starting to get it! it doesen't suggest dinos some how turned into birds. unless. you. want. it. to!

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 8:25:14 PM
what about the rest of your evidence, you admit then, that dogs probably come from other dog familys, eg wolves, from available genetic information in the wolf. the bulldog might have a mutation also, still no real new genetic info. the hoatzin is a bird with claws, did you read something else into that? are you parroting again? or is that really what you think happened? now, unless you just want to JUST believe that is what happened, you will have to research as to how in the dna that kind of thing actually happens today.

aremeself

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Timothy Ball on Climate Change Denial Posted: 12/29/2012 8:14:06 PM
we aren't all blessed with a wonderful mind that can accept that all these beautiful processes self developed. sure, that my real point. so, lets review; you are saying that there is a living process that somehow wants [for lack of a better word] to keep the world average temps at a very small range. but we don't care where that process come from. where can I read more about that exact phenominon?

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 7:29:34 PM
everything you mentioned is adaptation with AVAILABLE, information that is already completly siting there in the genes. no creation of new genetic information. now, do you understand that? can you quit the personal attacks? do you want to learn? you are obviously NOT openminded. creation evidence? where do I start. when you show some willingness to admit evo has no definet answeres yet.

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 7:12:19 PM
cut the bs and show me how evo works. you big controler you!

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 7:03:51 PM
bhawk01 proposal, know what that means? so you are not going to understand what a proposal means then, are you? use you own words, know what that means? bye

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 6:58:18 PM
BTW, you never responded to my request to show your level of study on evolution. May I take this as an admission that your position is one based on ignorance (and therefore can be dismissed as the opinions of an uneducated person)? this is getting real ad hominemish. or can I assume that you are ignorant for not being able to tell us all how evolution works in the cell?

aremeself

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can't fix stupid? Posted: 12/29/2012 6:53:23 PM
what about the 'smart' people that control...............us?

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 6:48:53 PM
bhawk01 The probability is next to nil that highly complex molecules like RNA, DNA and proteins got created spontaneously through purely random or chance processes. However, the nearly-impossible became possible, i.e. the unlikely set of events became likely, through the mechanism of autocatalysis. I got that out of YOUR link!!!!!!!!!! http://nirmukta.com/2009/11/13/complexity-explained-9-how-did-complex-molecules-like-proteins-and-dna-emerge-spontaneously/ well, bhawko1 misses a few things out of his own links, cause he don't need to read stuff, he just knows. we're done. your own words, my friend, splain it in your own words,ok? I've forgotten more stuff about evo than you have read!

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 6:35:05 PM
bhawk01 The probability is next to nil that highly complex molecules like RNA, DNA and proteins got created spontaneously through purely random or chance processes. However, the nearly-impossible became possible, i.e. the unlikely set of events became likely, through the mechanism of autocatalysis. proposed, do you know what proposed means??????? so now because they proposed some impossible bs you jump on the evo band wagon. hurray!!!

aremeself

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Timothy Ball on Climate Change Denial Posted: 12/29/2012 6:24:31 PM
look man, your talking about a very unique and complicated process that you atribute to self building physics. you answered my question, although reluctantly. science seems to be uncovering yet another beautiful process. and scientists are telling us that altering one tiny thing in this host of things is going to have a major effect on the way we live today, and especially tomorrow.

aremeself

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The value of science to atheism Posted: 12/29/2012 6:12:45 PM
"Again, what scientific papers or books have you personally read on evolution? (this is the second time I ask this) How much have you actually "studied" it? I want to know if you're speaking from a position of knowledge or ignorance" oh wow! got some real proof, or just the usual puffing? expain to me, and the rest of the lurkers how evolution works, and you will be a hero, you will get awards! you will have to explain it on the cellular molecular level, but, no stories. I'll help you even. explain without stories how dna gathers brand new base pairs without mutating present existing perfect and still being used information. you should be able to do this, or you are just believing, it's just something you want to believe then, thats all, which many of us do.

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