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 Author Thread: What do women on this site prefer, men who ride motorcycles or men who drive Luxury cars?
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 95 (view)
 
What do women on this site prefer, men who ride motorcycles or men who drive Luxury cars?
Posted: 7/8/2009 11:30:54 PM
I've been riding various types of sport & dirt bikes for over 10 years... I'd LOVE to meet a guy that was I was compatible with that had a similar type bike, or even ANY bike! (It does get a little boring going 'cruiser speed', but for the right guy, I could slow down a little! )

But that's just because its a big hobby of mine, I love canyon carving, would like to get a track bike, or a dual sport, do a lot of my own mechanics ... otherwise, I could care less about what kind of vehicle someone drives, as long as its not something I'd worry about breaking down all the time!!
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Phone number/texting on the first or second message?
Posted: 7/6/2009 10:11:50 AM

I simply do not like talking on the phone.



I'm with the OP on this one.... I also dislike talking on the phone, not because I'm not 'comfortable', but because I'm on the phone a LOT at work... and find emailing or IMing a more relaxing way to get to know someone to find out if we have anything in common to talk about! I'm not a big fan of spreading around my private cell #, either... seems reasonable to email a few days, to me, to weed out anything obviously unusual... what's the hurry, anyway?

Also, it seems like 9 times out of 10, the guys wanting a phone # early on have really sparse, one sentence profiles. Its hard to make 'small talk' when I don't know anything about someone, and if they aren't open on their profile I have to wonder if talking with them is going to be 'pulling teeth, so to speak... so I'll try to get some info before making phone contact. Although I suspect this is because a lot of guys really aren't good typists, and I can understand this... not a problem for me, as I type nearly 70 wpm, but for a hunt & peck person, yeah, emailing would be a pain!

Heck, I've met someone for coffee based on email contact alone... but that's just me.
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 10 (view)
 
A dating site devoted to not hooking up
Posted: 7/4/2009 12:33:50 PM

He made a huge deal of telling me upfront in his emails that he wasn't looking for anything serious, but that he also wasn't one of those guys who leads women on or sleeps around. He wanted me to be aware of his intentions upfront.



His emails seemed pretty clear. He wasn't one of those FWB guys and he didn't want a relationship.


You know what's funny... just looking at what you wrote, the argument could be made that he was being perfectly sincere, and you just misunderstood him... maybe he really didn't sleep around, but was looking for ONE person to do the wild thing with, no strings attached.... not FWB, didn't even want to be friends, but just occasional hook-ups... probably, in his mind, it made perfect sense!

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus... ;)

If you really want to develop a relationship, I wouldn't bother with someone who obviously doesn't... thats sort of like getting involved with someone who doesn't want kids when you do... don't go into it thinking you might change their mind!

Hmmm, your dating only site... how about 'RELATIONSHIPS'? That word seems to scare off the hooker-uppers! (Although the site alone would lend them legitimacy, and likely some would use it to their advantage to lie without REALLY lying... sort of like selecting 'divorced' instead of 'separated'... I'm convinced some people don't think its really lying unless they say it to your face personally!)
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Love my kids more than anything else.....
Posted: 7/4/2009 12:14:09 AM

Any good parent knows that kids ALWAYS come first, it should be a given...I personaly feel off when I see it on a profile.


Ditto. It seems like stating the obvious, and maybe a glimpse that the guy isn't really interested in dating at all...?
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 20 (view)
 
maybe he didnt look like he does in his pic?
Posted: 7/3/2009 11:18:23 PM
possibly your husband... but who knows, could be anyone playing games!! Be careful!
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 20 (view)
 
How long do you wait to delete that number.
Posted: 7/3/2009 11:16:10 PM
i keep 'em for a couple of weeks... just so my caller ID will show me if they call! after that, delete 'em.
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Do you think I'm being dishonest?
Posted: 7/3/2009 11:30:10 AM


My main pic is about six months old. Since then I have lost about 35lbs. I now go to gym 4-5 times a week.
I have'nt changed my pic on purpose. I am trying to weed out the superficial ones. Is this wrong? Should I update?



Why on earth are you trying to weed out people who likely value fitness and would likely have a good connection with the healthy new gym-going you? That doesn't make sense...

You can call it superficial if you like, but I'm not found of dating overweight people because I find their lifestyles are often to sedentary for me... and just aren't a good match. Seems like you'd be better off finding someone who prefers fit people, and would help you stay motivated!

just my 2 cents. Congrats on your acheivements, btw!
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/3/2009 10:00:27 AM
But divorce doesn't have to mean you 'hate' your ex... it sounds like, if you (above poster) get along so well, it should make for a simple divorce, right?

Honestly, though, if I met a guy with your attitude, that would be reason enough not to date him. First, I dislike laziness. Second, I'm an attorney, and HATE loose ends... running around separated, not divorced, can made for some possible sticky situations in your life, legally (remember, a marriage creates a legal binding between you & your ex, involving your income, inheritance, the person to make decisions for you if you are ever incapacitated, etc... do you really want to leave this end floating in the breeze??) Third, to ignore how someone else that you might date might feel about you being still linked to your ex is selfish, IMO. Many people believe marriage is more than a 'piece of paper'... I laugh when people try to justify not getting divorced this way... obviously that 'piece of paper' meant SOMETHING to them at one time, just not now, when its convenient to forget about it!

Another reason I hear is 'I can't afford' it. Thats a matter of priorities... and if you really, truly, can't come up with the $325 filing fee (CA) you can always fill out in forma pauperis forms to let you proceed without paying... and, if money is that tight for you that you can't come up with $325, you're probably on the financial 'edge' too much for me to want to date, anyway.

Thought of something else that has happened a lot with me when I've dated separated guys... without fail, they ask ME for legal advice! Nothing more special than on a 2nd or 3rd date and hearing all the sordid details about their marriage!

See, those are my reasons, above and beyond the whole 'if you are separated you aren't over her' type stuff... although that can often be the case as well!

Sure is complicated, isn't it?
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/3/2009 7:45:39 AM

And FWIW, my first divorce took three years, not six months. This was AFTER the papers were filed.


Ok, if it took so long, I have to ask why? I ASSume divorces take so long because they get messy... even if you are ready to move on, the ex isn't, or there is a big struggle over the kids, property, etc... am I wrong?

And, could you see why a single person might choose to want to wait to get involved with someone until after that stuff is done?

Or was it really peaches & cream friendly, and the three years was slow courts (which would be very strange to me, seems like if people are agreeable, they tend to get it done quickly)

Again, I'm not without sympathy, but just have been there, done that, don't want to do it again... seems reasonable to want to wait, to me. So thats what I choose to do.

And that's one reason lying is so bad, it takes away someone's choice in the matter, and lays the foundation for deception just to get what you want, without regarding for the other person.
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 187 (view)
 
What a Dirt Bag!!!!!
Posted: 7/2/2009 11:10:11 PM

You might feel just friends with a guy after a meet and greet, that culminated in him asking for another date. but she doesn't feel just 'friendship' for him obviously.

I don't feel 'just a friendship' with a guy who I've gone on a meet & greet with, with the intention to move forward into an intimate dating relationship. my feelings towards my friends is very different than the feelings I have towards a guy I'm attracted to. For starters, I don't ever intend to have sex with my friends. and I don't care if my friends date people.

If I meet a guy and feel 'just friendship' towards him, even on the first meeting, then guaranteed it's going nowhere, because he's been 'friendzoned'.


*lol* I just don't move that fast... sure, there are guys who I meet right off and know we'll be nothing but friends, and then there are those who I am interested in... but I rarely get so into someone so quickly that after the first meet & greet I intend to move forward into an intimate relationship based on that first meeting... heck, you barely know someone at that point! I might be interested and excited about getting to know them better, but that would be about it...

Guess I'm just not that much of a romantic... honestly, in the OPs situation, going up the the guy and saying 'hi' in a friendly fashion at the concert, and seeing his reaction during and after, would have told me worlds about his personality, confidence, intentions, and attitude... things I'd like to know before having any intention of intimacy with anyone!

Anyway, even if she was that quick to go gaga and then get hurt over this guy, should we all have to behave to the standards of the most sensitive person? I mean, I'm sorry if she felt so insulted, that's a bad way to feel, but really, he didn't do anything wrong...

At any rate, I guess if he feels he didn't do anything wrong, and she feels he did, well, at least they found out early they aren't on the same page of 'acceptable' behavior, and saved themselves some time, right?

Just my 2 cents.
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/2/2009 10:58:59 PM

.i dont think men truly will settle down with someone right after getting done with a divorce because they havent had a chance to even relax and date and breathe....i think they just date to keep themselves occupied and because their lonely or horny....i would recommend letting them go until they get everything out of their system, you'll just end up with a broken heart and being dumped later on...


Playing devil's advocate... couldn't the same thing be said for anyone breaking off any long term relationship? In theory, aren't we all 'rebounding' from our last long term relationship?
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/2/2009 10:55:35 PM
Well, I disagree that separated is necessarily cheating on your spouse... in most states its a required legal waiting period after people have already decided to split up! Unless you are very religious, but then, all marriages are forever in most religions, aren't they? So waiting for the papers to be signed is irrelevant in that situation...

I really wouldn't care if a divorced person without kids is calling himself single... don't know what the difference is, but if you're sensitive about it, I don't find that very deceiving, as the legal status is the same, and connections with the ex are severed. Calling yourself single but really only separated, now, that's a problem, and very deceptive!

I think separation is legally separated, too, not just moving out... but someone who flips those around, I could see their point... not that I want to date someone who hasn't even filed, though!

Question for all the separateds who are so upset over this... what is the big deal? So you're not a big internet dating stud (or studette) for 6 months... no one is saying you shouldn't date, just some of chose not to date you, yet! Finish the process, let go of the past, and move on with it... I can't comprehend why someone would want to live in that limbo for years, personally, that just sounds so messed up!

Except for the one woman I read about who couldn't FIND her husband to serve him... that would be an exception, heck, she should call herself widowed after a PI can't find him!
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 185 (view)
 
What a Dirt Bag!!!!!
Posted: 7/2/2009 10:47:09 PM

Really?? So that wouldn't bother you..not one little bit..if it were you in her shoes? Are you sure about that?


really. not one little bit. I don't even consider the first meeting a date, anyway, its more of a meet & greet... so maybe I just look at things differently. Heck, I probably would've walked over and said 'hi' to them both... & asked how they were liking the show! At this point you're just FRIENDS, if even that, and getting to know each other... and like someone else said, how do you know they weren't just friends, too? I have a bunch of guy friends I do things with all the time... and I live in a small town, so running into someone I've gone out with is always a possibility!

:)
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 35 (view)
 
looks or profile, what attracks you first?
Posted: 7/2/2009 10:39:45 PM
I tend to search for profiles with similar interests, then check out the pics... if we don't have any hobbies in common, what's the point, I'll never see him anyway, I'm too busy out having fun!
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 177 (view)
 
What a Dirt Bag!!!!!
Posted: 7/2/2009 4:48:46 PM

the concert shouldnt be off limits because he didnt go with you, after all you went and had a good time with your friends....the way i see it is, unless you are in a committed relationship then you can see or go wherever you choose...once you two decide to make it serious then he would have been in the wrong. i wouldnt have said anything...it just made u look like u were mad and uptight....i would have brushed it off and if he was worth going out with, went on a date somewhere else...


I agree 100%... gosh, I don't see that he did anything wrong, he heard about an interesting concert, found company to go with, and went... what's the problem? It was only after one first date, after all...
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Women VS Men separated status
Posted: 7/2/2009 3:32:02 PM
You're raising two different issues I think... one being a reason women may want a quicker divorce, the other why a woman won't date a separated man... unless your theory is that women expect a quicker divorce, because of their past experiences? But many women, myself included, have never been divorced, so really don't base anything on this...

Its just a way to try to reduce the occurance of pain, IMO... pain avoidance, self-protection, against evil exs, or being dumped by someone who isn't far enough along the break-up path to know what they want, or being pulled into all the court 'battles' which really, have nothing to do with you, but everything to do with the person you care about, so you HAVE to pick a side...

Some people may also have a moral adversion to dating someone still in a married relationship... for me, if someone is still married, I can't see a future in the relationship... if there is no future, any intimacy feels like a one-night stand... then, I feel like a tramp, and all the romance goes out the window. And its not just about potential future marriage... heck, I don't care if I ever get married again... but I do care, very much, if society morally and legally looks to someone ELSE as my guy's WIFE!

Also, there is the stigma of being that 'other woman', especially if there are children involved, and/or the wife wants to reconcile...

Nah. better to avoid the BS and avoid the 'separateds'. Doing so doesn't guarentee your relationships will work out, but certainly helps the odds...

Is it more important to women than men? Maybe... I think, like the previous poster said, men are more into 'here and now', while women tend to look further ahead...
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Women VS Men separated status
Posted: 7/2/2009 1:24:48 PM

I think women are more concerned about dating men who are separated. IMO, and it is only my opinion with no scientific evidence to back it up, women are more likely to want a stable LTR.


True... and personally, I find it difficult to think of a future with someone who is already married... sort of takes the romance out of it, on a purely emotional, 'gut' level. And what is love or a relationships without that emotional level involvement?

Also, I'd hypothesize that women are, in general, can be worse ex's to deal with... when you date someone, ultimately you have to deal with their ex. And women, typically, are meaner and more vindictive, the whole "I gave you the best years of my life!" BS, use the children as pawns, because often they ARE in control of child custody, etc, and can use that to their advantage. Therefore, as a woman, getting involved with a man with a soon to be ex-wife can mean a LOT of drama in your future.

Men, on the other hand, let go a little easier...

(Caveat: I'm not saying this about anyone in this forum! Just based on my own, past experiences...)
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/2/2009 12:40:06 PM

I might have more credibility in a listing of separated then divorced. A lie is a lie and once they go down that path what makes one assume they would lie about separated any more so than divorced?
If they are honest enough to list separated knowing it brings up possible questions and doubts, then perhaps they are showing honesty against the ease of a lie.




this is a really good point, btw... I just wanted to clarify, when I said 'is it a really good idea to lie', I wasn't talking about you... you do get serious credibility points, in my book! Something to think about... thanks!
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/2/2009 12:34:54 PM

The important issue is the lie. The lie is wrong. This is not to condone the lie but rather explain it.
A vast amount of, primarily, women on these forums have stated they will not date "separated" only will date "divorced" hence the reason for the lie. A person might be a truley separated, no chance of reconciliation and wanting to move on. Aforementioned might feel a need to list "divorced" as too many state they will not even reply to someone who lists "separated". Therefore they see their only recourse as to lie about the status. Again not an excuse for what they do, it is lying, just an explanation.
Personally I choose to be honest and list my status. It greatly limits my possible connections, however the honesty is important to me.
Of note for you though is this:
Just as you feel listing "separated" is not what you want or that listing it might be dishonest as they may have unfinished business. Remember a truly dishonest person may list "divorced" and it be a complete lie. I might have more credibility in a listing of separated then divorced. A lie is a lie and once they go down that path what makes one assume they would lie about separated any more so than divorced?
If they are honest enough to list separated knowing it brings up possible questions and doubts, then perhaps they are showing honesty against the ease of a lie.
Why would you be against truly "separated" people as you formed a good enough relationship with one to marry them?


You are right, the point is the lie.... and whatever my reasons are, they are my reasons... just like some men have to have skinny women, some women taller men, etc, isn't part of it knowing what you are getting into?

Yes, I met my late husband he was separated... without going into details, lets just say that I have no wish to experience that again... the freaked out ex, crank calling at all hours of the night... the endless court visits, ex-parte hearings... watching tears in his eyes when his daughter, 3 yrs old, says "Daddy, mommy says you never wanted me?" to him on the phone... his battles with depression, the financial devistation, the kafkaesque feeling of being swept up in something out of your control...

No, nothing says someone already divorced won't have the same issues, but you can't deny that the odds are better that some of the craziness that accompanies a divorce may have mellowed out by the time that divorce is final. I've been down that insane road once, will not do it again, not for love, money, fame, whatever...

Also, again, I don't want to be the 'other woman' if a family is involved... if there is a chance a family can reconcile, they should.

As to how long a divorce takes... in CA it is 6 month waiting period. Is that really THAT long, to mourn the end of a relationship, to sort things out in your mind, before jumping into something with another person? And even if you want to date, is it really a good idea to lie, just to get more hits on your profile? It isn't a popularity contest... respect other people's reasons, whatever they may be, and look forward to once your divorce is final.

Maybe I'll have to reconsider my 'separated' rule, maybe it does deserve a case by case consideration... maybe I need a 'no crazy ex-wife' rule instead... heck, I'd rather be friends with someone in a sane separation than someone going through crazy ex child-custody stuff after an official divorce, although if someone is separated I think it would have to move much slower... but for now, 'no separateds' is where I'm comfortable.

And, as you've said,
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:34:39 AM

So now you've learned a lesson, you've had an experience.

What do you do with the experience?

Date who you want to date, but at least make some efforts to use PoF correctly- send emails, build a rapport, then ask them what they mean by "divorce" explaining your story above.

Are you someone who just sees a profile, accepts it, likes the photo, and goes on a date? You're not using the tool correctly. PoF is the tool- use it.

You have a PhD, so clearly you can count to potato, ask questions in advance- stop entering blindly into situations.

If you've had 4 out of 5 guys with this situation, and you haven't learned something by then (clearly you haven't, no offense, but you wouldn't be in the forums if you had), then something is wrong. Use PoF correctly.

Use PoF Correctly.

In closing- Use PoF Correctly.

P.S. Use PoF Correctly.


So, let me see if I'm picking up your subtle hint... use POF correctly...? Seriously, point taken... however, I will clarify, that the last three of the four, I did ask in an email, and then turned them down, after they did answer truthfully... It just seems sad that I have to clarify something that is out on a profile in black & white... seems like I'm cross-examining a defendant, instead of getting to know someone! (In my private life, I try to be less cynical than at work!)

But yes, indeed, lesson learned!
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Appropriate of asking if someone is married at work.
Posted: 7/1/2009 11:35:30 PM
A girlfriend of mine used to make small-talk with guys she was interested in... then, if something came up regarding a book, or movie, just say something like "oh, that was a great move, you really should take your wife!" and see what they said!

She was great at that kind of stuff... its also a harmless way of letting someone know you are interested...
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Am I being to harsh? Divorced vs. Separated
Posted: 7/1/2009 10:24:55 PM
I recently broke off seeing a guy because he had said he was 'divorced' on his profile, then two weeks into dating (which was going rather well!) I found out he was actually still married, and hadn't even filed yet, but his wife had left him five months ago! He asked for another chance, but I just couldn't give him one, I felt betrayed.

This is a touchy subject for me, as I was involved with a man before (who I actually married, my late husband) and I met him when he was separated... it was so hard emotionally, I swore, never again.

Plus, it seems so deceitful, to me, to start a relationship on those false pretenses... even when someone says they are divorced, but are really just separated, I feel like I'm being lied to! But it seems like 4 out of the last 5 guys I've been interested in on POF are exactly that... separated, but saying divorce on their profile. And I hate dating separated guys if there are kids involved... I don't want to be the one stopping a reconciliation, if one is possible!

Anyway, I only know that its starting to be 'normal' for guys to do this... don't know much about women, 'cause I'm not dating girls, but maybe they do this to? And why do people lie about this... do they think they can hide it forever? Do they think anyone with an ounce of self-respect will accept this deception?

Or am I really being over sensitive, and is this just part of the 'new age' of dating, filtering out the lies on the profile from the truth over time?

Thoughts?
 L2fly
Joined: 1/4/2009
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Nothing excites me over 30
Posted: 6/4/2009 11:23:31 PM
I have plenty of hobbies that excite me, but then again, I have high-risk hobbies! *lol* For me, the key is to find someone who likes to DO what I like to DO... so, maybe you need a hobby, something intense, that'll help you focus (sort of, focus or DIE... try motorcycles, rock climbing, or hang gliding?)

But I agree, its been many moons since I felt that young adult 'rush' over meeting someone... I think its natural, to get a little wiser, a little more careful, before going ga-ga over someone...
 
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