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cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Are strong independant women a turn off? Posted: 8/30/2008 5:49:55 PM
It depends. i think a woman who is opniated,and can fend for herself in the world is admirable. i also think if she needs to manifest that by being excessively hostile towards men to achive that,then yes. and in fact its a false front for insecurity. sort of like the man who is terribly handsome,the kind of guy a well looking lady sees in an environment,talking with his friends,dresses just right for the occaison,the type who people seem to gravitate towards, a powerful,and seductive presence without having to actually portray that. or the ype of lady who is seen walking acroos a busy New York street after work,catching a cab,in a black or red dress,knee length,hair blowing in the wind,the kind of thing you might imagine in a calvin klein photo...ya know. the embodiment of sexy and alluring without having to do anything....yes...this type of strong presence is definately a turn-on. someone who is obnoxious...well either count on being single your whole life,or going through relation after relation. independant is good,but sometimes this type of lifestyle can make one accustomed to being so into their own schedule that they dont always interact at optimum level with others,even friends at times.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Coca-Cola or Pepsi? Posted: 11/20/2007 4:55:51 AM
ok...coke/pepsi challenge (soda)....i like both. it doesnt matter,yet...my brain was telling me exactly what the sicientific study had proven,was that i liked coke more. why would that be?? when i drink pepsi, i find it as good. as far as how it translates into what society tries to market as the best mate criiteria...well...its the same thing. they are bumping up characteristics of desirablity to enhance the "marketabilty" of individuals. hence,they say breast inplants,dyed hair,facelifts,and all the physical stuff is "necessary",and totally neglect the societal aspscts,such as manners,fidelity,upbringing,and all else. same for males...feeding malarky such as the 'gotta have the alpha male" the one who has the best looks,biggest bank account,most ravishing body,yeah...also at times,they are the most likely to have an affair,because of the very reason they are "alpha males". its like putting a decal on something,or buying a product without really knowing it,but merely by looks,or a kit car or something...following the logic..."if it looks like O,sounds likeO,and is rumored to be the best O,it must be an O. once you get it home,unwrap it,and test it,its really a 0,not an O looks the same almost,until you know the difference! and i dont know any words spelled with zeros!! ultimately...id follow my heart,rather than allow society to decide what is a good mate.proceed with caution,because you are deciding on a matter greater than a stereo,or car purchase! in response to what do we want if media impact wasnt there?? well...id say its safe that each person really only wants to find someone semi-attractive and be happy,at the simplest levels. thats a pretty basic and almost primitive desire,been around since the beginning of civilization. comes only after eating----UGGH! (think cavemen)

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Would you rather love and lose or never love at all? Posted: 11/20/2007 4:27:13 AM
personally, i believe it is determined by each situation. what may be a lovers paradise in one situation,and then,at the cessation,may drift into a hurtless loss,such as a natural death or what have you,but in another situation, such as a bitter divorce,or unfaithful spouse/mate, well...this type tends to leave more regrets and more scars that do not heal. many claim to love and lose deeply,i cant tell in some instances,nor am i persuaded in general to what society believes "love" to be. it tends to be only exstant in a perfect set of circumstances,and falls apart under pressure. true love does not do that. i think maybe some are living in a fairie tale world.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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What Religion Are You And What Are The Fundamental Tenets Of Your Beliefs? Posted: 10/31/2007 3:00:45 PM
my religion is "born again". what that means...is a spiritual rebirth,rather than some concept of re-incarnation,or something like that. i use that term,rather than "Christain" because anyone can claim to be a Christain,but...when judgement day comes,few will be admitted into heaven. "in that day,many will say'Lord,Lord,did not we prohesy in your name,and cast out demons,and do many wonderful works,and i will profess to them...i never knew you" so..having said that...what seprates the men from the boys,or wheat from the chaff more precisely,or lambs from the goats...is who hears the commandments and does them. the two primary comandments though are really quite simple,and at a very abstract level,are none other than"love the Lord your god with all your heart,soul,and mind"...and the second like it"love your neighbor as yourself" those are the 2 "do" commandments...there are lots of "donts" in Christianity,that can be found in both Old and New testament. the Jewish faith is the same as Christain Bible,with the exception they do not believe in the new testament. those 2 commandments sound so easy,but are not so when you look at everyday life. i mean...people today are losing their minds,and commiting heinous acts against others,but if they were the victim,they would think twice.---so you see how easy it is to disobey"love your neighbor as yourself" on those 2 hang the law,and the prophets

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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I belive in god but not in church... where do you go? Posted: 10/31/2007 12:48:05 AM
well.....that is good. we have a forum titled"I Believe In God But Not In Church" where do i go?? to be honest...you are alredy there. Jesus said in one of the first few books of the New Testament"the time will come when my father seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and truth" besides....to be a true Bible believing and not only believing Christain,but adhering...there are fewer and fewer churches left to attend,and toward the end...it will be the churches who are persecuting and putting to death and beating believers anyway. as far as believing..."even the demons(devils) fear and tremble".......

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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WHY DO MEN RUIN RELATIONSHIPS WITH VIDEO GAMES? Posted: 10/18/2007 1:05:57 AM
i think videa games are fine. women do not like when we try to limit their idea of fun,or recreation,and as soon as a guy says something..."hes controlling".next they want to run to the nearest shelter,or whatever and whine and moan and play the victim,as they so well do. i mean,they cant understand why you have reserves about them going out ALONE with casual male friends (who happen to have eyes for your lady most times)...and they proclaim "freedom"...yet porn mags,and video games trigger immense insecurity in them. know why??? its saying that you can live without their attention for more than 2 seconds. i think its an insecurity issue. now im not trying to provoke fights here betwixt males and females. if someone spend exhorbitant amounts of time,then i think its ok to say something. LETS BE FAIR TO BOTH PARTIES,and BOTH GENDERS. anyway.....you think thats bad??? i read about a male and female couple who BOTh were charged with child neglect,because they were glued to their computer so often,they didnt even feed their toddlers enough,and allowed them to remain in unchanged diapers or something like that for unreasonable amounts of time. im sure about the malnourishment though. i think the child weighed something like 30 pounds or so,i forget,so please dont quote me...all i remember is it was shocking. the only reason they povidied,was they were just too intrigued with the games to stop and take care of the youth. i think most guys are more responsible than that. i mean....mow the lawn on saturday,take her to dinner at least once a month,romance her when shes in the mood (or you are in the mood),do the little things,and never put the game before your lover....and there shouldnt be a problem. same thing from the ladies....keep priorities straight,and remember who you care about and what is important in your life. in conclusion,recreation is good and healthy. some times family can stand fun outings with each other. couch potatoes are no fun if thats all they do. go to see a movie,take a trip to a museum,try camping,or fishing together,a trip to the beach,hike a trail,visit historic sites,theres so much to do!!!! life is fun,so dont let one thing grab you and hold you prisoner. i hope this helps resolve some disagreements amongst our seemingly immature couples who cannot find a middle ground. think guys....is a video game worth breaking up over???i just cant see it. try this instead

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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What do men think when their wives are aging and losing their figure? Posted: 10/10/2007 9:30:02 PM
they think "time to put the TV on" ---ok...seriously....lets get mature here...if you been with her for that long...i mean that many years...what does it matter?? the key is stability. as long as hes still there every night...who cares??? if it were my woman, i would compliment her for sticking it out,rather than joining one of the feminist/lesbian groups,or should i say fminist-lesbian groups,since sometimes they double. anyway...long stort short, you guys survived the perils of long term,chances are...if one of you is that aged,the other isnt a spring chicken either anymore. everyone hits middle age sooner or later. to decieve yourself with thinking you can stay young forver with cosmetics is much like Poce De Leon believing he would actually find the fountain of youth.,and about as ludicrous. matter of fact, i have seen a few ladies in their 60s who look ghastly with makup on,they look like wax candles with clown paint on. better off leaving yourself natural!! heck, my aunt had whiskers for Gods sake. she had more facial hair than i did,even a ini-beard.but hey...who gives a crap,as long as your aunt,is really your aunt,and not one of these whatever they call 'ems that cross dress and cross gender,and cross everything else too. i mean...if they want to do all that...welll thats their business...but...i think ill just stay with traditional if thats ok with everone else,and if not....ill stick with that anyway. so...got sidetracked a bit there....said my piece...so see ya'll later

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Why women interested in rejected man when guy gets girl? Posted: 10/10/2007 9:09:10 PM
regarding the post": You took my whole statement out of context . We all have opinions MY point is we all have observations and opinions--that doesn't necessarily make them true... they do reveal a lot about your particular generalizations, prejudices and biases though... so keep going... men care more about sex? Really?! ...and women are petty?! ...and that's not a knock against women?! "------no...that was not a gender based "knock" merely an observation. it would be like saying tree leaves are red,but typically they are green. whether they are red,or whether they are green,the fact that you are stating a characteristic that happens to be true. if the leave is green,then you say so, if it isnt,saying it is just to make the "leave" feel better doesnt provide an accurate description. im using a sinomoly--sp??(sorry,i dont feel like spell checking this instant). now...i dont know how it got turned into a male perspective/female perspective debate. as far as knowing if a ladyu cannot stand to see a guy happy after he leaves her,i know this to be fact,as far as knowing a man being able to accept a former lover being in the arms of another, i also know this to be fact. whether this is true in 100% of all cases,is undetermined. scientifically, you cannot take 1 sample out of 300 million specimens,and derive an accurate conclusion. anyway...i see his post,as just that. and for HIS circumstances,accurate and non-inflammatory. just because another viewer happens to be taken amiss by a statement,doesnt provide a well founded reason for questioning the integrity of his observation

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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what do you do when the sex sucks in a relationship, but your in love? Posted: 9/28/2007 9:09:39 PM
learn to live with it.---lol. seriously...nobody knows what they are doing the first couple years they become sexually active. it just takes time and experience. but i know that breaking up over unsatisfactory sex will only leave you lonely and regretful. try new things,and be patient.most of the time,foreplay can improve things. many times...poor sex is due to an improper pace--i.e "ramrod action" because thats all the guy knows how to do. albeit,even that has its plusses,many women find it boring.some like it that way,chances are...thats what the people here are talking about. like the OP said....love is love...sex is sex....i would not advise going OUTSIDE the relationship for better sex,or you will risk throing everything away for a 2 minute orgasm...think people!

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Men on a Marriage Strike Posted: 9/14/2007 8:51:51 PM
woe,woe woe....you guys are arguing about toothpaste caps and the way toilet paper is put on the dispenser??? now i KNOW this country has problems. in retrospect...i think i had it made with all my girlfriends if this is the kind of stuff you break up over. i definatley think we are looking at kindergarden level here,maybe elementart school at best.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Men on a Marriage Strike Posted: 9/14/2007 8:37:40 PM
----here we go..... first its "the spouse is intolerable"...lets divorce...then its "raising the kids costs the custodial parent more than the support payer. know what this is called??...its called never satisfied---ok, men...you need to think what your mother was like raising you.....nagging you about all your homework,and other stuff....when you know full darn well what you already have to do. guess what??? this is what your wife will be one day. a nagger and complainer. i have never met a woman who did not nag,complain or manipulate,or try to play the victim. if not one,then another. the grass always looks greener on the other side. whatever they have or the current situation is for these girl....they just are not happy. it is an inbedded mental illsess,thats all i can say.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Men on a Marriage Strike Posted: 9/12/2007 6:37:30 PM
no...she wasnt "really sneaky" she was really honest and really decent. she asked if i would mind if she attended a dance with a male accomplice. i agreed, and the night ended with merely a kiss i think. that was where i set the boundary,and she respected that, so i in turn respect her. also...i was willing to give her another chance for us to try again, to see if we could make a go out of us. she declined on several occaisions. you wont see me beggin, or even asking for many of my exes back, ill tell you that. just the fact that you make a joke shed light on it. its "funny" if a woman cheats. but if a guy does it hes a low-life. again...the delusional minset that women are above accountability for their actions. and you wpnder why men treat you like a one night object,because its less messy that way to be honest. the only female that never "hurt" me emotionally was the one i spent one night with. not the girlfriends,not the fiancee',not the sweethearts, just the girl who for one night we had something special. i think the whole mindset of legal marriage is obsolete. live together,love each other,and if you dare...have kids together. if societey doesnt respect you because you dont share the same last name,thats THEIR problem. its not their business. the kids got monnys eyes,and daddys hair,and its the same mommy and daddy he lives with. not the "daddy in another state" or whatever. i think if there is less to gain,and more to lose,people will stay rather than split.which is what a functional fanmily needs. not a "hit the road jacK" attitude. do people make mistakes?? yes...but after high school,that is "practice" you dont marry with a high school attitude. its grown up time then,if not dont marry. if the girl cant accept that, dont knock her up!!!

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Men on a Marriage Strike Posted: 9/12/2007 5:40:15 PM
oh boy... here we go...the majority of responses on this forum sound like "little miss cant be wrong" almost like the song by the Sipn Doctors a while back. yep...thats right,associate all males to bar visiting,affair having ,dead beat dads. and all the women are sitting home innocent right??? let the guy work 50 hours a week,and then he gets to come home and do laundry for you,wash dishes,vacuum living room,while all day the ladies sit home on their tushes watching Oprah, running to top name dept.stores running up credit cards,whining to their friends on the phone about how bad they have it. what do you think??? have you ever considered the fact that the man who loves you busts his back each day to put food on the table to feed YOU ladies??? oh no...i forgot...men get NO credit. you gals sit and whine about womens rights,and a "woman has power over her body" you dont even love your guys from what i see through personal experioence. its "women this,women that"---ill admit, a couple nice girls got burned through getting married to jerks...but...i see far more women taking bad advice from their ignorant feminist associates,putting a wedge into their marriage. why doesnt the man love you anymore you ask??? well..it could be because once you have it so gooand consider yourselves princesses that deserve anything and everything,and give nothing in return. thers an old fashioned word for it, its called SPOILED. you know you can dictate whatever you want,because if the guy wants to leave,heel have to pay through the teeth. you only want to have kids,then divorce for support. guys get smart and learn. to all the irresponsible males out there that dont so their share....i find it equally ignorant. lets get one thing straight, it is up to the man and woman to make it work. not the man,woman,a womans' friends, not the man,woman and Oprhah, not the man woman and the church,and not the man,woman and govt. your grown ups, act like it.you shouldnt allow people to butt in.whatever comes between you, you should oust. true love means trust,hence there should be no disputes about what yuo do with SPARE time. when the sig. other isnt around. when you guys are together, then do things as a family. not---"have the guy work all day,then he comes home so you can go vist girlfriends. do that stuff during the day while junior is at school. once in a while...maybe but...not as a general rule. if yuo cant make each other happy, dont get married to begin with. stay single and life will be much simpler. single is best for selfish people who cannot compromise. i see a lot of beating up on guys here. and a word of advice...if they have been through one failed marriage what does that tell you??? think before you marry or even date. you complain about the man having an affair on you,but....if you were the woman he was having an affair with...it might be a different tune coming from your horn. then its ok. women cheat all the time. i have had 1 girlfriend in my life that did not cheat. what does that tell you???

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Why Is it you do everything for a woman and then you get thrown to the curb like a piece of trash? Posted: 8/17/2007 9:44:17 PM
heres the lowdown, and its gonna come as a shock,so brace yourselves for the truth. first off, its americanized culture,being everything is about "ME ME ME,and I,I they simply dont care about peoples feelings, this is alos a main symptom of sociopaths, they take, use,exploit,all for personal gain. men tend to use femals for physical gratification,whereas women tend to use men for tangible gains such as money,or whatever other assets they can bilk after their "soured romance" which they never really cared,and the whole time they are telling you they love you,they are talking to their other female friends about "when they can drop this creep" for men, the double faced role usually plays out in extra-curricular relationships,although women have been known to be unfaithful. in all reality, its just pathetic the way the whole moel for relationships is heading. i mean, nobody ever stays together for more than a couple years. i know that not everyone looks for an easy out,and often, they do, or at least did once love the person they were with. frankly, when i read a profile that says "no drama" or "no excess baggage, or issues"---i chuckle,because if you find someone without those, then chances are, you will bring it to them from your own troubled past. life isnt a rose garden,this isnt utopia,people are selfish and self promoting, plain and simple, it isnt limited to just the dating scene either. i have come across corrupt businessmen, and others as well. my advice????stay single. work for yourself, you know yourself,and what to expect,instead of a nightmare waiting to happen. lonely is always better than miserable

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Are women marketable after age 30? Posted: 8/16/2007 8:22:15 PM
i think that very few people are "marketable" in either of the sexes. i agree with the lady that said maturity enhances desirability in a potential partner. unfortunately,very few people are responsible nowadays. here is the typical scenario for relationships in todays world. seek the "perfect mate" then,become irresistibly infatuated with them,because it is what YOU yourself want,to cull your loneliness, or lack of sex, or whatever other purpose you are looking for someone. then, after that is done,dive into a full fledged relationship without understanding what it truly means, or requires. and THEN,expect your partenr to sacrifice everything, to suit your every whim,and if they dont, sit and gloat about it,and cry "spousal abuse, or "he/she is a control freak" and THEN, have your child, which is what everyone wants,and THEN split,and hit the road,and within a year go out looking for a new and "better" mate,and expect them to find you desirable after you have someone elses child,and cant remain faithful to someone who a few years ago you vowed to spend your life with,and you knew full well who you were marrying. nobody put a gun to your head and make you run down the aisle,to be honest, by 30 most people are divorced at least once. practically NOBODY will want someone who has no time for them,thanks to having to sit and babysit someone elses child,and yet, expects them to have a Harvard degree,and a bank account the size of Fort Knox. if you think im kidding, just look at the demands and criteria for half these people, its along the tunes of "i expect this and this and this and this and that from YOU, but i cant give you this,because of this reason,and i dont put up with that for that reason, and if you are one of these you need not apply" and so forth and so on. get real brothers and sisters. as far as cheaters and REAL abusers, people who blacken eyes,and leave bruises, yeah... sure you are ok in leaving. but....if you just want to whine and moan about how you dont have freedom, guess what??? relations are a committment, if you cant understand that, think again beofre entering one. kids need parents, not foster homes. be responsible, or else you are only making yourself look bad and dillusional in your profiles.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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America's Melting Pot - A look at the Unauthorized changes Posted: 8/2/2007 9:56:34 PM
---well,well...we certainly have the boll rolling now dont we? it seems everyone is fired up on this issue! and rightfully so! it is a natural human emotion to feel compassion for those from impovershed countries,and who are less priveledged. but...by no means should that allow them to sneak into our country illegally,and collect of state and fedearl run programs using bogus ID forms. i mean...what is this? a grown up version of "hide and seek"? ya know...make it to "home base" and your safe. americans dont get any sympathy when we break laws from our ever increasing militaristic police state,and lawmakers,so why should illegal aliens? matter of fact, i read an article of the DEA put a man who was paralyzed in prison for smoking medical weed. wheres the leniency there? who are our public servants really loyal to anymore? and this is just one of the issues that is plaguing the nation. im glad that so many people are concerned!! but...i once read that if it were not for illegal immigrants who often work in "sweat shops" and farms for less than minimum wage, we would not have prices so low on certain items. thats doesnt mean i advocate illegal immigration. as far as the language they speak...that is irrelevant to the issue of immigration. if they cant function in our country,then its their problem, not ours. BUT taxpayers SHOULD NOT foot the bill while they get educated,health care,job training,and a million other programs. as far as legal immigrants, yeah...i think america has been a country of diverse backgrounds. sure...they are welcome. AND they can pay taxes and stuff just like evryone else. WHY ON EARTH should it be a free vacation? WHAT OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH WILL LET A FOREIGN CITIZEN into their borders via either swimming,jumpin a fence,walking a desert or mountain route,and then foot the bill while they stay in said country for YEARS,often times doing only God knows what to support themselves?? NONE THAT I KNOW OF!!!! if you can find one, let me know!! i think our people are suffering from severe malnutriton or something, to have brain capacity not to see how foolish our policy truly is. WHO ON EARTH LETS THIS GO ON FOR SO LONG AND FURTHER MORE WHY??? ---well...now you know why good hard working people cant find jobs, because foreigners are sucking them all up!! i hate to say...but all the anti-discrimination stuff for employers...yeah...that counts for LEGAL CITICENS, illegals cannot be expected to be protected under our constitution,plain and simple. as far as the whole--"let them serve society" or imprisonments and all that other stuff...well...slavery is illegal. the constitution guarantees that. it might make sense,and seem like a good punishment, but...dont tamper with it,its there for our protection.again...i think if an employer is hiring them, then you COLLECT BACK TAXES THEY DID NOT CLAIM!!! that will deter them in the future. they cant report the employees earnings because they dont have SSNs sooo...where the HAZLETON statute fell, you still have a LEGAL means to deal with emploeyrs that act in direct defiance of federal regulations. thats the trouble in this country,ya have a million communities,and everyone wants to make America what they want, instead of recognizing national law. states have only so much power,municipalities even less,but....until someone draws enough attention,and wins SUPREME COURT ruling to overturn the lower court,the decision stands.... the glory of the american system huh? the adversarial system i should say....constantly arguing for simple rights. oh well...cant win em all, at least we arent starving in Ethiopia,having car bombs like Iraq,civil wars like in Bosnia and Croatia..and all the other stuff all the other countries face. give it another 200 years though,let enough uncivilized epople in,and see how this country becomes mini-versions of their homeland! are americans without flaws and shortcomings?---no but still...we have enough problems without bringing other peoples into our land with open arms.--bottom line...it will never change!things only go from bad to worse,while idealists sit and dream about how they can "solve the worlds problems" every so often you get a president who comes along and really does something, or a congress that truly benefits society and their best interests in a fair and equal way. for Bill Clinton, it was reducing the national debt,which i applaud.. for FDR it was helping us out of the Depression.men like them only come once or twice a lifetime i think. but...not all their views will be acceptable on every policy with every american,so...you can never satisfy everyone.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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School penalizes students for hugs, high-fives Posted: 7/27/2007 11:19:23 PM
--unfortunately, this is what the world is coming to. because of a few events and acts of violence and widespread panic, people in authority try to solve the problem by prevneting it altogether,which is understandable, trouble is, the ends seldom justify the means. --as far as America being the "land of the free" or more like "free to do as youre told" yeah...that sounds about correct. whatever happened to written law? i guess the local townhouse meetings have supplanted the U.S. constitution altogether,and nobody reaises any questions. --gice it another 20 years,and we'el be living in a geographically different version of Russia.where you can go to prison because your neighbor doesnt like you or your looks,and dont crack a smile!!!!

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

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Judge rules Canada's post possession laws unconstitutional Posted: 7/14/2007 11:44:10 PM
----i do realize the original post spoke ok Canadas law,and situation. it came as a shock, really that a judge would rule in such manner.he actually HEARD what the man had to say,thought independantly,and made a sensible ruling. the man did not have 2000 pounds in possession, he had 3.5 grams,which is the weight of an envelope filled with a letter or utility bill, or roughly enough to smoke maybe 2 joints with. ---aside from this...i used to follow the "drug war" very closely for many years here in America. i always thought that the laws were arcane. i read "high times" magazine on occaison,and all that other stuff. ---then....the medical marijuana issue cae to light here in the U.S. sates began legalizing small quantities,and even allowing buyers clubs in certain cities in Calif. and Arizona. matter of fact, Arizona had it legal for EVERYONE!! with purchase of a tax stamp,in compliance with either ATF,or taxation standards,im not sure which it fell under. ---then, conservative senators,and harsh drug czars,along with federal enforcement agencies, refused to acknowledge the state laws' legitimacy. they vowed to continue prosecutions,even though the states were no longer prosecuting. they were pulling federal dollars from state highway programs as punishment,for contadicting federal lawas,saying it needed to constitutional amendment,and all kinds of other stuff,or at least a change in federal law. ---i never thought that such progres would be made. anyway...that was 10 years ago. i had forgot all about it,until just a few days ago,reading new mexico was the latest in a string of states to legalize medicinal use. ---to be honest, i think that even if it does not cure the illness, just if it can reduce discomfort for people suffering,then its only fair to let them possess small quantities. ---perhaps, if they are caught abusing the priveledge, then,maybe revoke or suspend that priveldge.but, until then, give them benefit of doubt. ---its not really a legal question. i mean..to the courts and judges, yeah..it is. but its a moral one. God created the eart with its contents,to be recieved with joy. ---i know ONE THING FOR SURE!!! 25 years of the drug wars, and it hasnt ended.thousands of people have been hurt, on both sides,law enforcemnet,and civilians. i say,focus on IV drug enforcement, that has much higher rates of disease transmission, such as HIV,hepatitis,and other stuff. ---taxpayers already pay for a million programs on stuff we dont need.---space shuttles,prison systems,800 dollar coffee pots for congress tables,and all kinds of other stuff. foriegn humanitarian missions,where nobody really knows where the money goes. all on paychecks of minimum wage. ---poverty is a growing problem,and nobody seems to know why. all those years of college,and the country still is being run like a group of kindergardeners. high crime,high divorce,less freedom, more laws to worry about, more global threats, ---to be honest, the world will never be perfect. anyone who thinks we can solve every problem is foolish. the very law of entropy states this. that things go from order to disorder. ---its like pissin in the wind

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 169 (view)

how to detect liars.........??? Posted: 7/9/2007 10:31:41 PM
i just would like to say, that the one post is correct! liars do NOT RESPECT people. if so,then they would tell the truth. why hide if you are innocent? the human mind works based upon thought patterns. once developed, they are "hammered" in and re-inforced. its not that they want to lie, they CANT help but lie. they only subconciously are aware of it.i have had several people very close to me on a day to basis turn out to be habitual liars,and dishonest people.both, men and women. it is an ilness,usually paired up with substantial psychological problems. ---one sure way to tell if they are a liar,or habitual liar----easy....do they ever admit being the one at fault,or ever having wronged you, or ever apologize???even if it is just you confronting them?? if not....they are a liar. because they can never admit wrong,they will say ANYTHING to appear innocent.if they never admit wrong,and never apologize,and are exceptionally verbally abusive or indifferent to your feelings, they have had this problem their whole lives. they will say they are sorry if you can catch them, or porve it. usually they are so clever, they can argue it away. but...if you do get hard evidence, they will most likely say "dont bring it up" "i dont want to talk about this again...." the 1 slip up, and thats why they cant adress it. ---usually, once you stop believing, and trusting,and succombing to their will, they feel the loss of their power. they very often like to control others,and blame you for things in their life. its really preposterous when you hear it. after a while, they will even lie to you about things you know to be true. again...anything to appear right. ---my advice??? since they are Lucifers children, born of a tongue that drips poisen

cityguy30

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Msg: 134 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/14/2007 11:32:11 PM
Really Physics and Biology doesn't have a doctrine. Anti-science groups just like to pretend they do. History, political science, and economics I do agree can have an agenda behind them, thats why it's important to teach about these subjects using multiple perspectives. Evolution isn't like that. Teaching creationism or ID is like teaching area 41 alien anti gravity Art Bell late night conspiracy theories during your vector class, and treating them like they're both equaly valid theories ---unfortunaely, this one you evolutionists will not be able to de-bunk, and the evidence is repeatable by scientific method, if you have the balls. ---the earts crust contains granite. granite cannot be formed by cooling,as is suggested in evolution,(the earth eventuall was hot,then cooled,and we still have a molten core) anyway.... ---this alone is astounding, but...when you look at the radioactive element, Polonium,that can be created only a few ways,and how it left radiation burns, in the rock,because it is only raidoactive for a pereiod of approx 24 hours,then its clear,that time frame took place. ---i will also mention,there were no uranium burns in the rocks,which have a much longer half life,sometimes extremely long years. --now, the evidence is there for you to see,should you have the courage, to stand a test of SCIENCE,using a microscpoe! i know, this will scare the pants off you. ---dont take my word for it,ask ANY public educated geologist if granite can be produced artificially, in any way, it cannot. if it is heated, it cannot revert to its original condition upon cooling ---clearly, it shows, a geological fact,in conflict with evolutionary theory.

cityguy30

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Msg: 124 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/14/2007 8:17:19 PM
: : You're free to practice any religion you want! (So long as it's Christianity!) --not true, although it appears that way. do we raise concerns? yes, exactly the way everyone else does. do we stop people from practicing their faith? no...Muslims gather on Capitol Hill for prayer,no Christains i know threaten them, or stop them. we dont even run into court complaining. Obama was sworn in on a Qu'ran, nobody objected.even Congress prays on occaison. i think people living in peace,regadless of which faith they practice, is good,and acceptable for God. that doesnt mean we have to be "best buddies" and hang out and talk everyday about issues, but...can we live in the same society without being at each others throats, yeah..im pretty sure. are there exceptions? yeah theres exceptions to many rules.

cityguy30

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Msg: 118 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/14/2007 7:17:47 PM
Cityguy wrote: But, the government has overstepped it's bounds by not allowing the freedom to religion in schools. ---no, that was merely what i was responding to. i didnt initially say that.although, it appears that way,because it wasnt in the highlighted box. ---anyway, again, i see any or all religions in the classroom as improper in this day and age,for the reason, if one can teach,so can another, to abide by law. anyway... its a lost cause, and frankly, will only create more problems,as everyone attempts to ---the true issue was though, material sent home in backpacks,which again, is distribution of literature.although it won a legal victory, my personal opinion is "hey, if you want to preach to someone,make time outside of school to invite them,and make sure they are receptive" then, theres not a problem. this way violates no law,as free speech,and religion is still intact,and there is no state involvement. now, if we were to say, "no, you cant do that either" then that would be along the lines of communism,say perhaps, like the KGB sending people to siberia to die for having Bibles in their homes, and yes, it happened! i have heard a real life testimonial from a man who survived,who the only heat he had,was from a 20 watt ligh bulb.

cityguy30

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Msg: 109 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/14/2007 11:49:23 AM
But, the government has overstepped it's bounds by not allowing the freedom to religion in schools. It's pretty simple. Whether we like it or not. It protects both sides. The Constitution protects both sides. It is our government and states which are not following the Constitution ---you act surprised over this fact? im not sure if they arent abiding by the constitution, or just dont understand it anymore? or maybe they are just too afraid of the groups of parents charging the local courthouse in the event they WERE to actually abide by written law. --a young toddler was run over by a police-cruiser and killed accidentally in my local community a few weeks ago,and they had concerns over rising tensions in the neighborhood,because of previous,less than ,how do we say,amiable? relations ---basically, dont rock the boat,type of deal as for the people here saying that they dont want to hear our beliefs, yeah...thats resepctable. i would feel the same way,and in fact do,when i see other groups trying to use the school platform as a recruitment center. ---ironically, not every member of a faith,advocates trying to put their beliefs in school, as you can deduce by now, my concern is more with the sate teaching, not religious belief.--go figure

cityguy30

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Msg: 97 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/14/2007 12:06:30 AM
I think the real lesson of this is that fundamentalists would rather have their message shove into the faces of everyone rather than no message, but rather have no message than have to compete with other messages ---not so, how about Nebraska Man? an entire skeleton derived from a single tooth? that later turned out to be a wild hog. and the other one, Piltdown man, which was a deliberate mismatch,of an oprangutan jaw,with a human skull to persuade people to believe. ---which side is overearnest? and lastly, the only "solid" connection, is Peking Man,which by the way, was constructed entirely of "casts" and drawings,after the specimens mysteriously dissappeared,during the war.so...physically speaking,there is NO evidence whatsoever,between greater apes,and man.---whos pushing the envelope when it comes to presenting views? at least im not fabricating, in a deliberate attempt to decieve. oh wait,they didnt tell you that did they?when they taiught you?how many other discrepencies are there, that you dont know??---only the genius asks questions.

cityguy30

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Msg: 95 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 11:30:37 PM
hmm..well for you, secular teaching commenced subsequently from faith based concepts. for me, i recall evolution precursers as early as 3rd grade. i was not exposed to religious concepts until maybe 5th grade.and my parents learned even later. nonetheless, your topic here, is just that. you began this forum,and inadvertently, it sort of swayed slightly into a topic that differs, yet the two and interchangeable. i guess you could say the converse reason why fundamentalists get ansty over teachings in public schools. ultimately, it comes to different views. for me, fortunately, i was sent to a private school. so there was no conflict. ---as far as me trying to cause the readers here to conform with my beliefs, not so.if they are interested, theres bookstores everywhere with Bibles available. honestly, thats a better bet, than just picking a church at random,because then you are listening to what someone else tells you,rather than reading for yourself,and thinking through on your own. ---to be honest, i see the original topic of the legsilative victory,then protest after provocative material being sent home,as a "round the mulberry bush" type of thing. first its a victory,then its an upset,then a victory,then an upset. the public just gets weary of it. we waste tax dollars litigating it,and all sorts of things. families who believe are at odds with those that dont,and it goes on and on. ---i dont know if anyone heard about the case of the lady,who tried to have harry potter removed from the public school library,because it promoted Wicca,according to her. the board rejected her claim,saying in that case,Cinderella and many other books that referenced magic had to go as well. --even the Bible contains stories and mention of witchcraft,although it does not advocate it. but...it does mention it.the primary difference is what light the topics are being discussed.

cityguy30

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Msg: 93 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 10:05:42 PM
sorry, i was unclear in my wording. i was speaking,after reviewing an EVOLUTION information site, to gain perspective on what the public mainstream views were. i was speaking of different species,i.e, those with 50 sets of chromosomes cannot breed with those with 28 and produce young, yes, horses and donkeys can mate,and produce mules. we all know that. mules are even hardier than horses, but not as strong in brute strength. this is why mules were used as plow creatures,canal tuggers,and civil war supply carriage animals. they could outlast conditions that would kill horses. yes, muskellunge fish,(muskies) can mate with northern pike,and create the tiger muskie, they are same genus,not species. and half their young can even reproduce! ---tigers can mate with lions, believe it or not. the young are ligers(what a name) or tigons,depending which was the paternal beast of which,and even some of them can reproduce,and the worlds laregts cat was one such creature! even larger than the siberian tiger! which weighs in at 750 pounds! lions typically at 500 for males,and mid 300s for females! yeah, i know some can mate. i am speaking of how is the gap between fish such as dolphins,and primtaes,and then man come into play? the resemblance between man and primate is undeniable.its easy to understand why you would believe. but,what i found to be required, for the origin, is not scientifically possible. they dont have the answers to why,and so hence avoid questioning. anyway...assuming evolution were fact,what good does it for us to know? yeat, they claim we are still evolving. and even that we will be hybrids one day between man,and machine.thats "the next step" or advancement. but...this requires intellect, not sheer evolutionary theory,and DNA and replication method. --nonetheless, in the event, that evolution were to be false,that would mean Satan decieved mankind for generations, by the millions, hiding the truth from them. being a fallen angel,he knows his fate,and does not want to go it alone.commen perception, is he will be "reigning" in hell with a pitchfork. but...he will be punished same as humanity. of course, this belief also relies on direct interpretation of scripture,which the general public cant do eiither. --plain and simply,"if it means something i dont like, just refute it, or pretend it doesnt exist" hence, the wave of people who say that Christains are misinterpreting the Bible. first they cant win in their circles, so then they come to ours,and spread hogwash.

cityguy30

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Msg: 91 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 9:22:08 PM
yes, i am familiar with Job, he was a righteous man, Satan tempted him,to recant God. God allowed Satan to take everything from Job. Job refused to deny God. Jobs wife even felt he should just curse God,and die.Jobs friends played the"pity party" sarcastically with Job. in the end he was blessed more. what part are you speaking of metaphorically? the part where Satan presented himself before God? or which? yes...i fully understand metaphors and parable. i went through extensive Christain education. i can explain whatever parable you wish to specify. question is, can you? not that it matters. finally, what do you mean the Bible does not speak of Christ or His teachings? even the book of Psalms,which was written a good 2000 years prior,makes mention of Christ, in the form of Lord.as does Isaiah as well.the best places of Christs personbal teachings are Matthew,Mark,Luke,and John. --the seenece of understanding scripture, is truly being born of spirit. if i asked you what it took to get to heaven would you know? the Bible says what is required.although non-Christains cannot determine what saves them. this is how we know who is imposters and who is not.

cityguy30

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Msg: 88 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 8:28:22 PM
"Sure, but your theory has to be supported by evidence and be able to predict. It doesn't need to be disproven until you can show it actually works, and works BETTER than any alternatives. Until then, it's a hypothesis at best, not a theory. Theories aren't guesses, they're explanations which work. If you follow th.." --well, thats what im doing. im saying that bugs grew after millions of years of mutations,and selective breeding,and genetic drift,and DNA correction,until somehow, the "jumped" to a bird/lizard/dinosaur. isnt that what evolution states in so many words? now you are seeing how preopsterous it truly is. as far as the Batman/catwoman part, that didnt occur until trillions of years later, after hominids developed from "lucy" check the DNA on her by the way, she might just be a gorilla. how did she end up there all alone? with no other skeletons? --so...again, we see that there will always be debate on what should be taught,and what should not. what you do not understand, is that this was started by political movements of Communists,a half century ago.and a primary facet of communism is there is no God,because it ineterferes with the "natural order of things" --i.e. people (namely government) cannot treat their people like crap,because that would mean its morally wrong. so...if theres no right or wrong,then essentially we can do anything(untill one is the victim themselves). as so forth and so on. ---but frogs eys, you have a point,and were correct in stating that either one side or the other must "give" as far as beliefs, because they are in conflict. but...again, although we came here for RELIGIOUS FREEDOM,the past is the past. ---my opinion to the Chrsitains:we cant save the world, that was Jesus' job.they didnt lsiten to Him,and they are less likely to listen to us.

cityguy30

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Msg: 84 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 8:06:54 PM
again, it does not matter,because i know that school is not the place to proselytyze.now, as far as us paying tax dollars to finace beliefs we do not agree with, you would feel much the same way,concerning your dollars being spent for churches. but...what you dont know, is that tax dollars go to mosques in grants. yet, nobody objects,because thats not "the Chrsitain God" the one that contradicts your beliefs. concerning the obsolete evolution, yes, now darwinian is currently accepted, what if in 200 years we have learned that is obsolete? what then?hypothesize that aliens made us? as some shows have? because certainly if Darwin were proved wrong,after many generations of belief,nobody would then accept the Biblical account. even though they put their faith in pseudo science for generations. just like cancer and chemotherapy. you would allow poisen to flow through your veigns,rather than accept you are going to die,even knowing the treatment can cause cancer in and of itself,because "its medical science,and it "works",and "what other alternative",and so forth and so on,and you will cite rare instances of cases where they survive for 5 years,and disregard the cases where non-treated survive equally as long. ive seen the debate on that one from both sides, up close and personal. it has to do with ego,and that why this guy gets offended,and upset,because we do not accept. yet you dont understand why we dont accept your beliefs.the same emotions you have,we have. of course, i know the brainwashing has been so deep, your likely to counter with an insult,and say we are a not equivalent ultimately,bringing religion in the school, is BAD. in fact Satan loves religion. he uses it to create hatred and rejection of God. whos the smarter creature? think for yourselves?

cityguy30

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Msg: 82 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 7:40:51 PM
now..Mr. garnet wodd has a VERY good point!! a day does vary depending on where in the universe we are talking. and the first few days, there was no light! in fact,there was water before there was light. science will probably verify that, although even under the ocean, millions of microscopic creatures survive where it is frigid,and lightless,and many emit their own sources of light. the main conflict, between the two theories, is that evolution deprives God of his ability to create. that would be so arrogant. that would be saying we are the most advanced form that we know of,because aliens have not yet been proven. if we with our intellect can build,and create computers,and accomplish many tasks,why could not a being much greater create the planets? but...evolutionists do not even consider the possibility,because they cannot see IMMEDIATE evidence.yet,when it comes to their view, they can toletare the concept of millions of years,and "viola" it falls into place,even though theirs is neither immediate evidence as well. they dont believe in what they cant see. yet, scientifically,this is a poor premise. we can not see air,yet it exists,and is all around us.so...you cannot see God, that is not to say he does not exist.

cityguy30

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Msg: 78 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 7:29:00 PM
there we go, im going to title my theory" concerning the theory of orders" how bout a big round of applause, and since it cannot be disproven, i guess it stands. ill find the links ,or wait for others to excavate,and make conclusions. --if you try hard enough,youll see the connection. so...maybe adda few thousand other "intermeidates" and it will look better.who knows, maybe i can get it published,and taught in schools, that would be just grand. only then, you would get upset wouldnt you?

cityguy30

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Msg: 77 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 7:22:05 PM
as for your links, again, these would be considered hearsay. merely opinions of people who have PHds, in whatever field. yet websites of religious nature by PHds holding personell are dismissed as "quacko" sites or frauds. Yet websites of a non-creationist nature are dismissed as hearsay. See how this can cut both ways? At least I read the creationist sites. The POF link I gave has plenty of creationist arguments. But how would you know that? I fail to see how you've read... much at all. For all your pontificating, your posts are embarrassingly uninformed. Except for: does religion belong in the public school?---NO. in keeping with essence of this threas, lets look at that. schools are not Churches.we are not a Theocracy. That there is good stuff! ---uninformed perhaps,embarrasing? to who, to me? i frankly dont pretend to know evolution,because to me, it simply does not matter,much the way our views on God do not matter to unbelievers. ---and what would you expect? both sides cannot have it the same way, because they are in direct disagreement. so it is convenient to say the opposing party is "insane",uneducated,etc. ---we are a bunch of lunatics waiting for hailey bop to swing around,and getting ready to drink poisen with our sneakers on. ---this is getting worse than a rape trial,where all you can do is try to mar our public imigae to defend your claim(innocence) or correctness more precisely. ---so...why are we still teacing evolution? if its commonly accepted fact?what,are humans going to interbreed with other species in the future? the most varied life forms in animal kingdom are insects im almost certain.i think maybe the bugs of yesteryear perhaps bred with a pterodactyl,and hence became batman,who shed his suit,and became catwoman,without the swim bladder, of the order of the flying pendragons,who later became bald eagles,then reverted back to dolphins,and all them other jumping fish that dude was talking about. maybe when the half wing didnt work, thats when they grew fingers---whatdyall think???

cityguy30

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Msg: 70 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 6:43:01 PM
again, all im seeing is opinions,if this were a court of law, opinion does not stand as fact. so what if thiose staing the opinions are collegiate educated? they of course would be repeating the mistakes of their predecessors. as for the Big Bang experiment, if that isnt close what is? good point about life being replicated,and maybe we just dont have the tech. only when i use a similar comparison, it gets quickly dismissed. as for your links, again, these would be considered hearsay. merely opinions of people who have PHds, in whatever field. yet websites of religious nature by PHds holding personell are dismissed as "quacko" sites or frauds. does religion belong in the public school?---NO. in keeping with essence of this threas, lets look at that. schools are not Churches.we are not a Theocracy. times have changed, plain and simple. people dont want to hear it,and i dont blame half of you for feeling the way you do,when paganism is introduced,and then rebutted by Christains. this is shortsightedness, by mankind in general. once pandoras box gets opened on any matter, it always seems to spiral out of control. finally, religion cannot pretend to be science,and science cannot pretend to be undisputed fact. for constantly, humans make errors. sometimes centuries to realize. maybe we are in a "undiscovery "gap" right now about evolution,assuming it occured,meaning we wont know its wrong, until later, but..that would require it to have occured. about tadpoles, yeah they have legs.catfish live for 5 hours out of water,then die. if you can make one grow legs in 5 hours, or grow legs after they die, ill take a second look. we are playing connect the dots here with science,and basing huge presumtions on assumptions.at least religion has the presupposition that IF God exists, He is more accurate than man,and therefore relates information accurately. id rather put my trust in God who is all knowing,and does not lie,than men,who constantly error.

cityguy30

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Msg: 63 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 5:38:27 PM
oh how surprising"my post is just wrong, from beginning to end" with the exceprtion that is in agreement with public teaching. of course i cant expect to sway a group that has been indoctrinated for their entire lives one something that is not scientific law,but merely theory. do you even understand the difference? now carefull...because i know that in your eagerness to dispute any claim i make you might even dispute that. how many molecular bilogists have you talked with on a one on one basis,about specifics? do you know that public textbooks are often outdated? and also, only material that is "socially acceptbale" is allowed in the classroom,so as is so often stated here NOT TO CREATE A DISTURBANCE,or upheaval? rumor had it, that they were planning on editing the portions of history, to exclude refernces to the Civil War period,and slavery, because it was "politically offensive" as was the fact, that Englis was mandatory learning,for Hispanics. as if somehow that was offensive to their nationality? evolution would suggest, that they should realize the need to function at full capacity,and therefore embrace leaning to majority trends. time and again we disprove facets of the theory.but,as usual, its discounted, or brushed away, or ignored with convenient replies.someone stated that creationism, or Biblical perspective is laced with Racism,when in fact, it is secular thought that will be calling for destruction of virus carries,which really only is genocide covered up as a public service. and the masses will of course fall for it, only problem is, you will never eradicate evey virus known to man.just sit and watch as more cases like the TB,drug resistant strain, surface,and people go to ridiculous ends to protect themselves. had similar agendas been carried out by Christains, we would be brought before Internation Crimes Court,and tried for crimes against humanity, or considered quivalent to the Arab,African conflict in Darfur. but...whatever a secular,non-relious person wants to do under the protection of political office, is just hunkey dorey. frankly, this country is so lopped-sided in their ways, the smart Christains know not to even bother. you are told that sacrifices must be made for the gorups best interest,when in reality, it only strips individuals of their freedoms and rights. but...since you are so used to conforming,you dont notice,and furthermore dont care.and if by some chance, we happen to disagree, your only method of debating, is by some variation or another of either being verbally rude, insulting, or just plain out saying we are wrong,without providing evidence. its all about who has the most voices.as who can muscle who around.frankly, it doesnt faze me one way, or the other what the public school teaches.we have been told what these days are to hold,and everything promised is occuring. the reason you dont see,is quite simple,Jesus stated that the blind lead the blind,and the both fall into the ditch

cityguy30

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Msg: 60 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/13/2007 4:33:19 PM
now, one thing everyone seems to neglect, is that sepcies with a set number of chromosomes CANNOT mate with a different subspecies and reproduce. to believe that lizards grew wings, or fish jumped out of water and somehow transformed gills into lungs is just hogwash. its quite clear that in your unwillingness to even have a Biblical view presented, you would accept ANYTHING. yes, your science is a group of peers, who review each others facts, so??? they are all in agreement anyway. fact is, plenty of empty holes in evolutionary though. Darwin believed missing links would be found. they are not. even to this day. guess all the fossils must be buried under Jurassic era huh? or maybe in Jurassic Park even? Big Bang, which is the universes "proposed" origin...lets duplicate that using scientific method. ---create a vacuum(space) pump some varying gases,helium, hydrogen,oxygen, hell even put in some simple viruses and bacteria,maybe a couple monerans,fish,and lizards. then, set off a few tons of TNT(the bang) come back in a few million years, and see if we have stars, planets,people,and every other species known to man in that created space. by the way, you can use whatever size room you need to acieve your pre-supposed evoutonary required results. but...unfortunately i domt think it wil turn out as expected. ---one more thing, modern science cannot obtain life from non-life,no duplication of a living organism has been achievedusing primordial substance. sorry, the DNA chains are just too complex. i will admit mutations occur, as evolution suggests, but...then why do not greater amounts of species survive rather than become extinct? it sounds like evolution just is not a working theory. plain and simple, even Darwin realized the difficulties,140 years ago, with his limited scientific knowledge.yet, everyone carries the torch,because it is tradition

cityguy30

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Msg: 45 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/12/2007 9:50:47 PM
That's easy to argue. I don't hate you. I definitely don't hate Jesus, because if he ever did exist, he was by all accounts a nice guy with very good intentions. But he was just a man. What I do hate is "In your face Christianity." But even IF I hated Christianity as a whole, it still would not mean that I hate the man who was Jesus (if he existed), because as I am sure that you are aware, Jesus was not a Christian.... ...he was a Jew. --well, thats good, you dont hate me, or Jesus. Jesus was conceived by Mary, he had a physical body, but was God in Spirit. since he performed miracles,which angered and flustered the "religious" leaders of today, much as it annoys people to hear us preach, they killed him, easy way to do away with a dissident. that was Hitlers "solution" right? as for Jesus being of Jewish decent, yes...in fact, He was of the line of King David, thousands of years earlier,who was Solomons father, who by the way, was wiser than any man to live.although im sure with todays highminded people, nobody will admit that fact. then again, we didnt have PHDs offering chincy IQ tests for 50 a pop, so we cant disprove it either now can we? now...back to the Jewish decent, yep, He was, but when he said to "peter, upon this rock i build my church,and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" that was the founding of Christianity. namely, Catholic churches are named often after the apostles. although even as you percieve fundamentalist Christains, mankind worked their way into even that denomintion and altered the true message for their own gains"dont read the Bible for yourself" "pay indulgences for forgiveness" "go to purgatory" "dont marry" etc. etc.so...many people associate Jesus of Nazareth with things He never believed in. and also, Christianity takes lumps as a whole for actions of a few. how many people shun the entire German society today, for the actions of Hitler? yet they sat and watched and did nothing. some did though. anyway, yuo yourself stated you hate neither believers, or Christ Himself, just His message. or organised religion. they are not the same.knowing Jesus, and knowing religion or "Christianity" are 2 totally different ballgames.matter of fact, i dont even attend church any more, for many of the reasons you stated. want some ammo? hows this?---a sin is only a sin, when its by a poor member of the congregation, who doesnt wear a suit,and isnt the most popular guy in church. but...if the guy is a deacon, or even the minister--i.e..Jimmy Swaggart with the chick, then its not really a sin, because somehow his stature in the church abolished it.---sounds like the old,"i dont want him/her sitting at my lunchtable" and thats not Jesus attitude at all. who did He eat with? --sinners,who did He hang with?---criminals,who did He love? the rich? the perfect?---His minitsry was devoted to the poor, the lame, the blind, the crippled. and He never charged a cent for healing them.Jesus is alive even today friend. only Hes not down here on earth anymore. thats why he said "blessed are they who have not seen,and yet believe" as for the waiting in the desert,yuo are misinformed by zealots. Christ wont come back, until after the vast majority has been destroyed. these believers today who think they are getting an easy ticket out by a "rapture" got a rude awakinin'.

cityguy30

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Msg: 39 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/12/2007 9:16:01 PM
pretty good hoax to end up in National Geographic,and the site forbidden by the Turkey Govt,asfter discovery, sort of like the Galleon which has been claimed by Spain after realizing it was loaded with 500 million in gold, seeing any similarities? sorry doll, it wasnt a cutting board, it was beams, of approximate proportion to records. could have been a viking vessel for all we know. or could still be buried under layers of ice for that matter. on the matter of hoaxes,why didnt you mention that several pre-homo sapiens records contained animal teeth? until the Christain scientists did a little investigating of their own. and again, i think again, people will believe whatever is told them,and after generation and generation they will accept as fact, even if it is not. its childlike innocence. when you were young, you believed in Santa, because that was what you were told. you did not change your beliefs until you were told it was not true. subjective mentality is what we are looking at. had evolution never been theorized, you would not believe it. you cannot scientifcally disprove the Bible either. and all universal evedience-i.e stars and planets will still be circumstantial. only you will believe it,because that is what you wish, just as we will believe because it is what we wish. frankly, people will inevitably end up where they are goinng to go after death. this is known as pre-destination in some denominations. as far as other events predicted---wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilences(diseases),winds and seas raging, again we can say"these things have always been, or we can say"FACT of matter is stated" either way, it is a true statement. so...neither side will ever conclusively prove or conclusively disprove, but it doesnt hurt to consider the possibilty, without being insulting. is that science? to get flustered or just ignore a valid point?if so... you wouldnt make it through an expedition im afraid.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 34 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/12/2007 8:50:22 PM
ah yes, the crusades. that is what you are speaking of? how about zealouts of other faiths? who if you dont convery, will lop your heads off, are they equally as bad? by the way, i will admit, your answers are quite clever,as you candidly discredit every claim, or downplay it to no significance. noahs ark could not be conclusively proven, at 8000 years, but dinosaur fossils tested under similar procedured millions of years, can be with accuarcy. no...your right, the pope does not make the announcement. mankind is saved by faith,that is the essence of Chrsitianity.some have it, some dont. those who do, well its not necessary for us to become distraught just because someone agrees. the book of genesis was authored by Moses,who led the Jews into Caanan, or modern day Galilee,which became Israel. that was well before archeaolgy, so...how did they not get their facts screwed up? that was even during the Eygyptian slavery of the Jews. let me guess.....Pharoah, with his knowledge, dictated to Moses what to wrtite,eh? only Phaoraoh and Moses didnt get along so well if you remember the story correctly.who is hostile to whom in this day? is it the Christains? or is it the unbelievers?i hate neither atheists,Muslims,Jews,Hindus, for their beliefs. but...it seems nobody likes Christains.again, you are just fulfilling prophecy"if the world hated me(Jesus) know they will also hate you" argue that away as well

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 31 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/12/2007 8:27:23 PM
now that is where you are mistaken,God never forced ANYONE to believe,and neither do Christains. you have free will,just as Adam and Eve did. choose to believe, choose not to, each man has a conscience,and ability to decide for themselves,as far as Darwins recant, you may be correct,possibly he did not. only going by what was presented.how about doing some research for yourself, how they discovere remnants of Noahs Ark in modern day Turkey,close to where Biblical accounts attest, or maybe that the first culture has been pinpointed by geographers who have no ties with Chrsitainity,and yet their accounts match,right between the Tigris and Euphrates. only our book stated it centuries prior to your scientists.dont get upset that science supports a claim found in the Bible, wouldnt want any evidence that contadicts your view, now would we?

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 28 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/12/2007 8:07:48 PM
yes evolution has a lot of "smart" folks agreeing, mainly because they are following the crowd. aristotle was a "smart" guy as well, one who just so happened to believe that the earth was the center of the universe,and the sun revolved around it. as did everyone in the world, who were also"smart" people of the day,with IQs comparable to our "wise men" of today. alas, the world used to believe the earth was flat as well, guess what--they were ALL wrong. once again, everyone is following Darwin,who recanted his opinions close to death, he must have been crazey huh? because nobody would want to be taken for fools. check the geological records, and you will see evidence of a worldwide flood, thats evidence good solid evidence, not pigs teeth inserted in pre-cambria mans fossils. which came first, the chicken or the egg? theres all the evidence you need for creation.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 26 (view)

Religious right suddenly wants religion out of school. Posted: 6/12/2007 7:26:32 PM
all i can say, is that secular views that Christains do not agree with are presented EVERYDAY,while their kids are forced to sit through evolutionary nonsense. ---i know that the vast majority of responses will be:"if you dont agree,send your kids to a private religious school"...but,we pay scholl taxes just the same as the secular atheists, so why should we have to? just because we do not agree with "science"? evolution is a weak argument at best,which cannot be scientifically proven. nobody has been alive for millions of years to witness it occuring,and it cannot be tested using scientific methodology. scientists only admit evidence that supports their claim. the views here are correct though, in their stating that if one group can distribute litereature, then each group should be allowed. but...while Muslims are permitted to use school facilities during school hours to pray,and even invite any interested parties, Chirstains are sent home for wearing Jesus shirts, or suspended for having Bibles. where is the equality in that? oh...i forgot, lets just cower so nobody gets upset. without the puritans who came here, we wouldnt even have this country anyway, and yes, european monarchy took this land by bloodshed,which was not right.both sides will scream till they are blue in the face.what these guys dont understand, is that Christains have been foretold that they should not share the Bible with unbelievers, or they would be persecuted for it. the verse states"do not give what is holy to the dogs, or cast your pearls before swine,lest they trample them under feet,and turn,and rend you" metaphorically this is saying that quite plainly, the world does not want to hear it, they will not accept it,and further, they will become hostile for hearing it, as is evidenced. to be quite honest, even teaching evolution is wasteful. so what if we did originate from an amoeba, what good does it for us to know that? absolutely nothing.you wouldnt force a Hindu to sit and take a test saying that eating beef is recoomeded by the reccommended daily allowances. so why force Christain kids to accept evolution classes? i forgot, in this day and age, we as a nation dislike our own,and love others. the proof is in the news every day.it irks us to see others with seemingly special priveledges as well. but...seemingly, the world likes to blame everything on a set relious group.whatever that group may be.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 6 (view)

What is wrong with him? Posted: 6/11/2007 2:24:32 PM
well, id like to say, that i fully understand how you feel right now. and also, it is very easy to "follow your emotions" when you believe someone cares about you,and you feel that you are in love. but....also... i can tell you that fully trusting in someone,whether they are male or female, will only set you up for disaster. i have seen that ladies can be as whimsical as the guy you described, in their requests and then desire to just"find a new love" personally, i have drawn the conclsuion that its best to stay single.---ha ha. but...honestly, next time, do not sell your home for someone, instead, the best course of action, would be, if he wants you to re-locate, or whatever, possibly lease your home while you are gone, that way, if it falls through, you still have someplace to return to.---then again, thats not to say, your renters could not cause you grief as well.sadly, people just cant be trusted for long term commitments anymore, this is the "2000's" not even the '80s or 90's things just arent like they used to be. why do you think nearly 50% of people on here have been divorced? its because couples dont know the meaning of fidelity. you truly cared about this man, your actions have proved that. but...its always the ones that love someone that get hurt and disappointed. it looks like usually one half of the couple is serious,and the other half, its just "fun". next time,be sure the man loves you. stay with him at his place or something. or maybe allow him to come to your place. marriage is nothing to rush into, for either a man, or woman. remember, its a lifelong commitment. i do admire your sincerity though as far as your eagerness to please the guy. nobody in their right mind would let a gal like you get away. soon the new woman will see how selfish he is, and he will be left single. its only time till his tricks catch up with him.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 6 (view)

Social workers butting in family medical choices? Posted: 8/5/2006 1:06:07 PM
oops i mispelled some word in my post. you guys can figure out what i meant, though.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 5 (view)

Social workers butting in family medical choices? Posted: 8/5/2006 1:04:14 PM
unfortunately, due to the fact that the child is an adult, he has no legal say. what gives the state precedent over the boys mother and dad? there is no logical explanation for this. it is an abuse of power. it would be nice if that social worker and judge had a grandson, and he had cancer, and the government ordered him to allow them to feed him poisen intravenously. and then they could see him lose his hair,and vomit,and cry. maybe then they would appreciate his decision. whats basically going on here is that they are trying to play God.---oh and one more thing. treatment rarely works. i know, ive known very many people who had cancer of every sort,and they all recieved treatment,and all regardless. i also know one woman who had cancer,and she didnt have treatment,and died also. another issue is that some states attempt to make adults with HIV comply with "board of healt" orders. that means if they demand you recieve the "orescribed" treatment, and you refuse for whatever reason, regardless of if it violates your religious beliefs or whatever, you are a criminla---simple. and again, that lady and husband who kidnapped that dirl, well the judge ordered her to be "forcibly medicated". basically, left unchecked, we will all soon be on pills, drugs, and poisens, and the doctors will be getting rich. isnt this a great nation?

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 24 (view)

Guy I met online keeps asking for money Posted: 6/8/2006 9:03:26 PM
to all the unwary souls out there.scammers try their gig with men and women too. they always sound so assuring,and everything,but they are after money. heres a good sign,at first the "relationship" focuses on you,but later it just is constantly about you sending them"funds"----is that an industry term or what? these people are full of bunk up to their eardrums. and the best part is you can make them an offer they couldnt refuse,and they still are blinded by greed instead of love. my advice----never send anyone money,unless you have met them in person,because if you do,you will hear that they need more and more,and each time it will be a new lie.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 99 (view)

THE BEST THING TO DO AFTER A BREAK UP IS...... Posted: 5/24/2006 9:45:22 PM
"always keep a special place in your heart for them" thats what someone very dear told me,and thats what i have done.it hurts when its over.at least you are dealing with it now.for me it took much longer to face the truth that i had lost someone very special to me.i dealt with mine similarly as you did.but remember that even though you and that person may never be together again because sometimes they just wont let you back in their life,or it just isnt possible,or whatever the reason,the love you had can never be erased.we all make mistakes,just forgive and never forget what that person meant to you.i see replies that people seem greatful that its over,but as far as im concerned,no matter how your lover hurts you,you always forgive them in your heart,and always value them inside.and say a prayer for them and for you,that you can both survive each day without the other.because if you truly loved each other you should want what is best for them and you.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 13 (view)

Judge shot Dead for opposing Muslim headscarf Posted: 5/18/2006 3:45:17 PM
well i reviewed the rules for posting,so i apologize if anything i wrote is offensive,instead of saying that you should "shove it" ill mean please dont impose your beliefs on us,and we dont impose our beliefs on you.and also,men should live up to high moral standards as well as women.religion is a good thing,believe it or not.just because you do not understand a groupds beliefs,doesnt mean they are wrong.everyone should have respect.

cityguy30

Joined: 12/12/2005

Msg: 12 (view)

Judge shot Dead for opposing Muslim headscarf Posted: 5/18/2006 3:11:53 PM
hey, YNA6(yna6) that is a very rude and inconsiderate opinion.first off,you will never change peoples beliefs by"tretment".what you dont realize is that hardliners who are devoted to any cause esteem that above all else.i am a fundamentalist Christain,and i would die before i allowed a secular and stupid and idiotice government,whether it be state or fedreal to change my beliefs.when you devote yourself to a particular religion,then you must try to live by their values.honestly i hate the violence that muslim radicals have,but Christains are every bit as violent,only we try to control ourselves more.but you must realize that they are just trying to cling to their beliefs,and when jerks like us go into their country and try to turn them into demonic hypocrites,what do you think their response will be.the holy crusades were fought over several hundreds of years,and they are still around and so are we.in fact,it is people like you who are the greatest threat to yourself and us,because you feel the need to control and try to change people.if their women want to dress modest that is respectable.why should they show their body to anyone other than their husbands??americans have the high rate of divorce we do because everyone wants to show off their goods,and get laid.but ultimately this leads to repetitive failed relationships.and soon you become just a used up has been which is a way to say politely,nothing more than a whore.if you can dress seductively then fine,but you are still tempting the men,and then want to cry"sexual harassment" the minute a guy so much compliments you on your figure.the sad fact is american society in general is just plain mentally ill.nearly everyone either goes to a psyche,or is on some stupid medicine.and the worse part is the crap doesnt work.mothers who kill their children while on anti-depressants.and the thing is they all took the same drug.as far as im concerned,take the"secular treatment" and shove it,and muslims just keep reading your Koran,and Christains just read your Bibles.and neither group should change their beliefs.God is greater than any man,or what any man can accomplish.as the Old Testament prophet Isaiah said"how stupid can these people be?" you guys sit and think we came from monkeys and apes just because we have armpit hair.that is the case no more than tractor trailers came from automoblies just because they both have engines.there is still intelligent design behind it.meaning that someone built it,not the truck "grew" after millions of years.hey if you all unbelievers wish to burn in the lake of fire forever,go ahead,but you aint takin us with you.and if you dont like what im saying tough,because its the right to free speech and religion.

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