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 Author Thread: Am I really that insulting?
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Am I really that insulting?
Posted: 6/10/2008 6:26:19 PM
Wow! A guy that's actually willing to talk with women his own age and... even a little older? They should get you a plaque or something.

Seriously though, try splitting up your paragraphs with some line breaks. If anyone still thinks your profile is insulting, have them take a peek at mine. That should make yours seem a little more cheerful.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Is Christmas A Good or Bad Time For Contact?
Posted: 12/21/2007 1:22:30 PM
It could be a little of each. The Good: some people are more depressed and lonely during the holidays and lower their standards / dating criteria. The Bad: You might have to buy them a gift.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Profiles that contain info that is bogus and full of poppycock and....
Posted: 12/20/2007 9:10:09 PM

OK, I've looked over Bum's profile and I just have 1 thing to say...

Why?


Why what?
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Profiles that contain info that is bogus and full of poppycock and....
Posted: 12/18/2007 1:23:22 PM
My profile is honestly written with as much accuracy as possible. The irony is that most of the messages I get are people asking if I am serious. Perhaps the typical person doesn’t believe you if you don’t have the cliché comments and non-sense they are used to seeing.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Did I miss a memo?
Posted: 12/18/2007 11:30:07 AM
I’ve been around a few broads (can’t exactly call ‘em ladies) that were quite proud of their methane venting capabilities. I usually just wait until they let loose of some intestinal pressure then I politely comment on how loose they must be keeping things back there. It really knocks the wind out of their sails. Pardon the pun.

Cheers!
The bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
What is the opposite of spoiled kids??
Posted: 8/20/2007 5:20:23 PM
You should buy him his own batteries for his CD player.
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Hand Holders
Posted: 8/14/2007 9:23:22 AM
@ 3rdedition - It means in a world where everyone is so concerned with the risks of STDs and psychos, all she had to worry about was having clean hands.

OT: just be glad he didn’t bring his parents to chaperon.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
hello please rate my profile
Posted: 7/8/2007 4:13:25 PM
What exactly is a "Moman"? You honestly don't have much profile to review. Try writing a couple paragraphs to give other an idea of who you are.

Read the Profile Writing tips:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts1262627.aspx

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Ladies and Gents - Looking feedback on my Profile.
Posted: 7/8/2007 3:45:47 PM
"special surprises await" and a picture of a grown man holding a balloon makes for a creepy combination. My first thought was someone driving an old van with "free candy" painted on the side.

The rest of your profile seemed good but was very difficult to read in block form. Try splitting sections into paragraphs. It will help distinguish thoughts and make it easier and quicker for some one to read.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Profile Review Request
Posted: 7/8/2007 3:39:37 PM

I don't have a long checklist of non-negotiable criteria, because people are more than boxes to be checked off.

I suppose the 11 email restrictions you have set doesn't qualify under this? I think it's ironic when guys complain about not getting enough responses when they make it so difficult for people to message them.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Critique my profile
Posted: 7/3/2007 11:57:52 AM
So you "can - bra - tuck"??
What is that exactly? On second thought... I am not sure I want that visual stuck in my head.

I would have reviewed your profile but I got stuck with the username and never made it any further.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Review my Profile please?
Posted: 7/3/2007 10:54:18 AM
You must be exhausted after writing that snappy profile. Did you expect some sort of trophy or award?

You are definitely confused on the purpose of this profile review forum. This is not a place to seek attention because you failed communicating with anyone else on this entire site.

Having a picture is just making a commitment to your actions and comments. I have an extremely obnoxious profile. Check it out, look at all my pictures, and continue to dream about being like me.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
review moi!
Posted: 7/3/2007 8:46:42 AM
Smiling face pictures attract more women than the up your nose thug shots. You really should delete your main picture immediately and go with any of the white shirt ones instead.

Your about me section is basically three sentences (albeit grammatically challenged). You proclaim to be the “Philosophy King” and “love to be intellectually engaged in a deep conversation”. Perhaps you could try showing a bit of that on your profile? I hope your initial contact messages are written better than this.

“shit stirring” is that code for anal sex?
Now that’s classy!

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Go ahead-be bratally honest with me
Posted: 7/3/2007 8:30:30 AM
You mentioned death twice. Once in the headline and then a second time with the will comment in the first date section. This is not exactly a positive note for a dating profile especially when you are 63 and looking for a younger woman to keep up with you.


So I can pick a performance that I would like to see, ask you to meet me there, and if you flake or leave, I still can enjoy the music and food.

Nice of you to consider the other person’s interests, perhaps the reason they are leaving is because they aren’t enjoying what you picked out?

Being somewhat of a car guy myself, I found that women are more interested in what’s behind the wheel instead of what’s under the hood. Everything you wrote comes off as dominating and condescending.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Hows this for originality?
Posted: 7/3/2007 8:03:04 AM
I was honestly expecting a Hallmark logo in the corner or maybe just signed by “Sam I am”.

You might be able to catch the occasional look but this profile doesn’t really say anything about you. Be forewarned, most will think it was copied and pasted. Personally, I kept thinking about Velveeta the whole time I read it.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
WTF is up with women using being safeonline as an excuse to play games?
Posted: 7/2/2007 8:08:56 AM
My favorite irony is the ones that claim “fear and safety” the most are the ones that couldn’t attract an attacker in real life while running the streets nude ringing a bell.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 19 (view)
 
This is what we call A CLUE.
Posted: 5/21/2007 12:07:07 PM

When women take classes in tennis, wine-tasting, sailing, etc., in the hope of meeting men. They don't find them.


Sounds like those women are looking for a bank account more than anything. How do you meet people sailing on a boat? Do you need a bigger yacht so they can sail up to meet you? If I want a gold-digger I will stick with flashing 20’s at the gals in the welfare line.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Acceptable conversation starters???
Posted: 5/21/2007 11:52:58 AM

Tell her she has a nice rack and ask her if she wants to cam. Then show her your junk. Works every time.


...frantically writing notes. Ha! Thanks Dogwood.
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
the confidence factor
Posted: 5/21/2007 11:41:52 AM
I always remind myself of the expression: “no matter how hot a woman might be, there is always a guy somewhere that’s tired of her sh1t”. Most of the time confidence is just not caring if you make a connection or not. I am super hot so I know I can always get another hot chick later.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
ever meet that person who didn't answer your pof msg in person?
Posted: 5/21/2007 11:13:11 AM
I have met a few women in person after they didn't respond to my messages here, but they called it stalking.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 119 (view)
 
I dont beat around the bush if you want it straight?
Posted: 5/15/2007 11:20:56 AM
Thanks for the review and comments. Obviously you are sharper than most and my flashy profile didn't fool you any. Good luck with the rest of your reviews.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 115 (view)
 
I dont beat around the bush if you want it straight?
Posted: 5/13/2007 8:27:55 PM
Well I know my pictures are super hot and the rest of my profile is irresistible but it is getting a bit dated. Do you have any suggestions for freshening it up a bit?

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Would your former partner or best friend agree with how you portray yourself in your profile
Posted: 5/1/2007 12:30:25 PM
I’ve had a few ex’s comment about my profile but I think they were just jealous of all the action I’m getting on here.

Most of my friends have read my profile whether they really wanted to or not. Some take notes and others just quietly close the window. What does that really say?

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
How Come Such a Wonderful One Like You...
Posted: 4/30/2007 8:44:00 AM
It sounds like you need a different group of friends. People instinctly desire others to be in similar situations as themselves. It gives them a common exchange of interests. Sometimes married folks just don’t have anything else to talk about. Personally, I avoid them like a plague.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 30 (view)
 
People who state I'm attractive in their profile.
Posted: 3/12/2007 12:18:22 PM
I am really hot but my profile requires a bit of scrolling. I like to add a reminder at the end just in case they were distracted from my stunning pictures after reading all my brilliant comments and testimonials.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 174 (view)
 
Woman Sues Police After Losing Baby
Posted: 2/13/2007 1:35:02 PM
I am just saying miscarriage or not, it wasn't her concern until she was facing a criminal situation. Then it was only used as an excuse to avoid prosecution.

Since you are such an advocate of parental rights, is this how an expectant mother should behave?
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 171 (view)
 
Woman Sues Police After Losing Baby
Posted: 2/13/2007 12:30:57 PM
free flowig blood,...needs no verbal verification,....

I watched the video many times. Free-flowing blood usually shows up on white pants doesn’t it?

...she was too lazy or too poor or to whatever to pay her parking tickets and she had bad tags on her car,....ooooooooooooooohhhhh!!!

Not paying fines whether you are lazy or poor is still a criminal act which she had warrants for.

..and she was still only a suspect,...not even convicted yet,...

She also had warrants for unpaid fines which means she was convicted. This makes her a criminal.

you all need to read the paper's or turn on the news now and then,...

This exact incident happened in my own neighborhood. Why would I need to watch the news report when I can look out my window and see it first hand?
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 169 (view)
 
Woman Sues Police After Losing Baby
Posted: 2/13/2007 12:01:25 PM
This woman is a criminal with outstanding warrants. She was stopped for having displayed forged temporary tags on her vehicle. She admittedly was going to the store at the time of the arrest not to a hospital. If she was honestly bleeding and had any concern of her own about losing her pregnancy she would have been driving toward a hospital.

In defense to the arresting officers, perhaps you should also consider the reason for Salva’s warrants:

“The officers arrested Salva after learning she had outstanding city warrants for endangering children, trespassing, driving while suspended and other traffic violations. The endangering allegation stemmed from a 2002 incident in which Salva was accused of leaving her three children home alone while she went to the store.” http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/10903920/detail.html



Beep Beep msg 82
1) She got pulled over for having fake tags.
2) She lied repeatedly about who's car it was, her name... so many to name. Wouldn't give an accurate answer.
3) If she really needed to get to the hospital so badly, then why not ask for a ride from her "Cousin" in the red car that was following her and probably sold her the fake temp permit?
4) The cops were calm, cool and professional. They were not abusive. They did not harm her in any way.


At which point should the cops have started believing her?

The actual incident took place Feb. 6th, 2006. Salva did not seek legal representation until Sept of last year and nothing was ever officially filed until Jan of 2007. This current media outrage is simply: "immigrant lady victimized by white police" propaganda.
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Talked about himself the entire time...
Posted: 1/21/2007 12:19:54 PM
In my experience, I usually end up talking about myself because the other person doesn’t have anything of interest to offer. Some people get shy and clam up. It becomes a real chore to pull information out of them. It’s easier to just entertain with my topics.

If this is a problem for you, try offering common topics of interest to discuss. If you mention makeup and hair, I am going to respond with cars and sex.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Should I bring him with me OR NOT? Trip Advice NEEDED!
Posted: 1/21/2007 11:52:35 AM
It sounds like you are ready for and wanting a vacation for yourself. You should first ask if you should be bringing anyone at all.

If you are going on vacation as a way to spend time with certain people then bring as many as possible. If you really want this to be about you and having time to relax without a care in the world then you should go by yourself. There is nothing worse than being stuck on a trip with someone that doesn’t really want to be there in the first place.

I would take the money you save on the extra ticket and tip the wait staff a little more. You will get all the special attention and pampering you ever wanted.

Cheers!
TheBum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Breaking up with a Fcuk Buddy while still single
Posted: 1/14/2007 11:37:02 AM
During times in my life when I was involved in FWB arrangements, I found my desire to pursue relationships had dissolved. I couldn’t motivate the effort to seek new dates when I could easily receive the instant gratification elsewhere.

As someone mentioned earlier, I think this entire notion to end the relationship was to spite her for standing you up. Would you have ever considered ending the relationship if she had shown up that day?

Cheers!
the Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Hell No
Posted: 1/14/2007 11:07:35 AM
I had a friend back in the early 90’s that tried unsuccessfully to take his fiancé’s last name. He had been abused as a child and wanted to spite his family by removing their name. He said carrying his father’s last name was a constant reminder of what he endured during youth. The concept of taking the wife’s name was completely unheard of in my area at the time. Most people ridiculed him as not being masculine for even suggesting the idea.

I once met a girl that had the same last name as me (not related, just a common name). I couldn’t figure out if we got married would she be taking my name or hers or would we just be filing one less form at the courthouse? In this sort of situation would it be out of line for both people to take a new last name that wasn’t associated with either person. Ex: a Smith marries another Smith and they both change their names to Jones.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Profiles: Are they accurate or made to look good (but not too truthful).
Posted: 1/6/2007 2:21:56 PM
I actually capitalize on these types of misconceptions. My profile is completely truthful but most people assume it is only exaggerated humor.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Christmas gift
Posted: 12/24/2006 12:45:09 PM
Gift giving is boyfriend stuff. I wouldn’t have even bothered giving you the keychain. You should feel special… You have a cheap boyfriend, not a generous FB.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
a guy that looks like an EX
Posted: 12/24/2006 12:30:53 PM
Sounds like a valid enough reason to me. I have declined dates with women many times because they looked like one of my ex’s. There have even been a few times where the gal’s name was similar or the same as someone else I knew and therefore refused to date them.

If something creeps you out, why suffer trying to make it work? Physical appearance isn’t something anyone can really change. It may not be fair to them initially but if you aren’t comfortable then both of you will actually suffer in the long term.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 20 (view)
 
What do I do with the junk she left????
Posted: 12/20/2006 10:39:18 AM

in the eyes of the law she didn't live there.... she still DOES live there!


That detail is the technicality that the OP should be very careful about.

Having receipts is a moot point. All she would need is someone to witness her previously owning them. The courts can be extremely sympathetic towards a woman if the situation was abusive. I am not saying the OP was ever out of line, but she could claim anything she wanted leaving the burden of proof with him.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
 
What do I do with the junk she left????
Posted: 12/20/2006 10:08:57 AM
I would be very careful with this situation. As a former resident of Mo, I know they have some strange laws there to protect women in “live-in” relationships. Someone like this sounds irrational and it’s those types of people that have plenty of time to pursue causing you trouble. All she has to do is claim any form of abuse from you.

Technically if she established residency with you then she has the right to store her belongings there. If you did not have a specific agreement to her leaving then she can still claim residency even after an extended period. I have seen very similar situations like this where the person comes back after a year to retrieve their belongings. She can always claim that she didn’t intend to leave and you will be liable for whatever she may or may not have left behind.

You should definitely try to contact her about picking up her things. You should also have a witness to any communications. There is a huge difference between what you morally intended and what can be legally proven in court. I would honestly suggest contacting a lawyer for legal counseling.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Dinner With the Wicked Witch of the West
Posted: 12/15/2006 11:12:56 AM
"Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain."


Well technically he didn't mention anything about wearing a dress or a skirt.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Dinner With the Wicked Witch of the West
Posted: 12/15/2006 11:00:25 AM

My hair didn't suit her. She did not like my new boots, with the 5" heels. My earrings seemed to bother her. She thought my nails were too long, and wayyyyyy too blue. And then she want over the top, in her condemnation of my fanny pack.


Umm… yeah you would have been the center of verbal barrage from me as well. Perhaps your girlfriend was quiet because this was the first time she saw you “dressed” for the occasion.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
How Low would you go?? Public affection!!
Posted: 12/15/2006 9:34:28 AM
And just where do you expect a couple homeless people to do it at? That underpass may have been in view of your drive home but it could also be considered as their private room. Next time I will wave at ya.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 28 (view)
 
I'm attending a pre dating event next Friday........
Posted: 12/15/2006 9:15:06 AM
I speed date on POF every single day but it doesn’t take 6 minutes to flip to the next profile. I don’t understand the skepticism expressed here. Really, what is the difference between speed dating in person and an online dating site? Oh… that’s right, you actually have to get out and meet people for speed dating.

If it was available in my area, I would do it in a heartbeat. That is just 12 more people that get to meet me whether they wanted to or not! Ha!

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 31 (view)
 
vicious yet creative ways to break up......
Posted: 12/15/2006 9:08:29 AM
I was dating a girl once and she absolutely hated my car. She would get down right personal with the negative comments about it. It was a classic car that was in fairly decent shape and was my prized possession at the time.

I called her on the phone one day and told her I bought another car. I waited for her to get excited and rant about how much she hated the first one. Then I told her it was the exact same year, make, and model as the first one and now I wouldn’t have time to date her anymore because I would rather work on my cars instead.

Another time with a different girl, I showed up for my date with another “date”. She was cheating on me so I thought she would be more understanding.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Safe dating tips?
Posted: 12/12/2006 11:14:12 AM
As you mentioned in the original details; this perpetrator targets prostitutes. You may want to be careful about walking the streets alone at night in your area but what does this honestly have to do with meeting people online? In my opinion you still face the same potential dangers when meeting strangers to date as before you heard of this story.

There are risks to living a normal life. There always have been boogey men out there. You can either hide in your protective cage or you can choose to be cautious when needed and continue to be rational.

I see many of my close friends often reading stories similar to this and immediately get worked up about not feeling safe. Fear is a powerful emotion and sometimes people fight too hard to keep it. Do what ever you feel needed to protect yourself but be careful you don’t sacrifice your peace of mind in the process.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
The latest car theft thing
Posted: 12/12/2006 9:23:01 AM
I have done this with my Honda’s for years. If I accidentally lock the keys in the car, I just take the registration to the nearest dealership. They usually charge about $2 to cut a new key. It is much cheaper than calling a locksmith. If it happens during the day, it is usually faster to get a replacement key than to wait for someone to show up to get the car open.

Every dealership that I have been to required some form of ID and proof of ownership in order to get keys made from a VIN.

Someone mentioned that hiding your VIN number on the dash may be unlawful. In the US, the VIN number wasn’t even required on the dash until 1968. I have many old cars and sometimes it is quite a hassle proving to a cop that it’s not stolen when they can’t find the VIN on the dash. I’ve had similar experiences with seatbelt laws too but that is another story.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Help! What do you do or say when..
Posted: 12/12/2006 8:43:56 AM
Be nice and say whatever you need to say to get out alive. You can always block their account when you get home.

I have tried the “honesty” routine a couple times with disastrous results. One girl excused herself to the restroom and proceeded to call all of her friends to tell them what I had said. Her friends actually showed up to the place we were at to dispute my opinions. I don’t know if they were trying to win me over for her or defend her reputation. Either way it completely proved my original perception of her.

Another time I tried being honest and it turned into one of the most heated arguments I ever had on a date. She had specifically asked why I wasn’t interested so I named a few things in a nice manner. Obviously she wasn’t interested in hearing honesty (contrary to her profile heading: keeping it real).

From now on if I am not interested, I just act like a complete jerk the entire time. Then I put the moves on heavy at the end of the night. Occasionally I get a little something and the other times you get to read a new forum thread about the psycho guys on here that only want one thing. (It’s not my fault that one thing is all she had to offer).

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Does humor make your profile standout?? Thoughts...
Posted: 12/11/2006 2:28:54 PM
This may be your style of humor but it honestly reflects a pushy personality and that is never funny.

And the cardinal rule for profile writing is to never ever use the word “vessel” in a first date description.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
How many people should be on a first date?
Posted: 12/11/2006 2:08:20 PM
I had a gal try the "bring a buddy" trick on me once. When they showed up I was excited and said: "Oh boy, do I get to choose or is this a 2 for 1?" I ended up ignoring her and just talked to her friend the whole night. I figured thats why she brought her. I think she got the point.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Common things partners nag about
Posted: 12/11/2006 2:00:30 PM
She always nagged that I didn't listen to her or something like that. She was always running her mouth but all I heard was blah blah blah.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Do you just get tired...
Posted: 12/9/2006 11:17:17 AM
I get tired of having to constantly entertain people in messages. It is exhausting always having to come up with some clever anecdotes when the opposing profile only contains a single picture or a couple cliché expressions. I have received initial contact messages from people that only contain a single smiley faced icon. Suddenly, the entire responsibility of conversation is my duty?

Sometimes I am in the mood to play this inane routine but today I just feel like venting.

Cheers!
The Bum
 homelessbum
Joined: 12/21/2005
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Called me his old lady- does he consider me his girlfriend?
Posted: 12/5/2006 9:29:30 PM
What if he is married and didn’t want his friend to think he was cheating when he heard a female’s voice in the background? Old lady is commonly in reference to a wife not a girlfriend (unless you have been living together for a long time).

I have also used terms like that to cover up when I forget a date’s name.

Cheers!
The Bum
 
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