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Thread: We met where?
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We met where?
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4/8/2009 10:06:49 AM
My nieces went to the pal last month....they missed their flight at 6:30 the next morning.
Why did they go there? For the party!
Who cares how or where, just what happens from that point on.
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Good Character
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3/29/2009 2:12:52 PM
Back in the day....and I can say that with conviction, we used to hang out at places where the women frequented. ie...the local hang out before malls were invented. When you saw some one who turned you on, the mating dance began.
Now....this cyber thing is confusing. Unless you have a professeionl photographer take your photos, they tend to not be flattering to the person. I have seen many pictures that once you meet the person, they look nothing like the picture on pof. The poor photography often leads to one making the wrong assumptions. That is hard to not do even if you are aware of it.
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Nanaimo Coffee evening ... December 19th 2008 6:30pm
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12/18/2008 12:43:59 PM
I am out, oening day at Mt Washington.
I am going to be swooshing the slopes.
See you all later......seasons greetings
dream mate
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DECEMBER 31, 2008 VICTORIA POF NEW YEARS EVE PARTY WITH
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12/15/2008 4:49:35 PM
I bet this will beat the heck out of sitting at home.
See you all there.........
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Nanaimo Coffee evening ... December 19th 2008 6:30pm
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12/15/2008 4:30:58 PM
I worked late for the last one, and it was too late to make it.
One of these days, I will eventually get there...
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Nanaimo Coffee evening ... December 5th 2008 6:30pm
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11/27/2008 12:22:58 PM
Yes, I missed the last one also because of the date change.....or something?
This is why I dislike these sites.... there is too much room for misunderstanding. People are always taking things other ways than what they were intended for.
Should insanity prevail, I would gladly delete myself from the pof ranks.
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Mid-Island Monthly Singles Dinner Club - Sept. 20th 2008
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9/19/2008 2:58:57 PM
Well, this looks like one I can make.
I have been living on the Island for nearly a year and this will be my first fish schooling event. Talk about a mushroom! Well, I do go out and sing Karaoke.
dream mate
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JAMMIN @ FISHERMAN'S LODGE PUB IN OYSTER RIVER(BLACK CREEK:) EVERY SECOND WEDNESDAY!!!!!
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10/11/2007 12:38:49 PM
I just moved to the Island.
This looks like fun.
Niel Diamond, anyone? I may need to practice...been a while.
dream mate
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Friday August 10 - BAJA BEACH CLUB - The Forks
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8/10/2007 1:31:15 PM
Yes too bad....I suppose we could always "arm-wrestle"......
Leg wrestling is much more fun, you guys.
I guess if it rains, there will be a sampede across the river?
dream mate
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FORGIVENESS
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7/27/2007 8:21:11 AM
I think it boils down to realizing you are not responsible for other peoples actions. In that extreme case, if I were the one being abused, I am not sure how that would affect my state of mind in the final analysis. I would probably need counselling.
Is forgiveness more dependent on trying not to judge others performances? Once you become a judge, that makes forgiveness very difficult. It doesn't matter how dispicable the act was.
It is the hardest thing, to forgive yourself. We judge ourselves more harshly than anyone else.
If you understand you are responsible for all of your actions, and the conciquences of those actions, without laying the blame on others, you may choose an alternate path.
It is easy to blame someone besides yourself, for your actions.
dream mate
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FORGIVENESS
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7/25/2007 6:59:48 AM
I think the only reason you hang on to things is because of that reward/punishment thing we have to deal with as children. You become your own judge. You judge yourself more harshly than you do others. You judge yourself on your past.
To truly be free, you need to hang the judge and live in the moment, doing your best in every situation you encounter today, and do not judge your performance. You did the best you could, no matter what.
dream mate
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FORGIVENESS
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7/24/2007 9:47:19 AM
TYK- I havn't read the thread, but I wanted to respond.
In order for a person to move on with their life, they must make forgiveness a part of their daily walk. You do not need to carry that garbage around with you.
I will go farther to say that what happened yesterday is gone. Water under the bridge. All you can do is take that experience and use it to shape your dream of tomorrow. Where you want to be in life.
If that person can't forgive you, that is their issue. What they want to believe is their own personal walk. Now that walk may be influenced by others, but it is their choice. There is no right or wrong answer to this. It is what it is.
The best thing to do is live your life being true to yourself. Live your own life. Do not be influenced by trying to please others, that is a no win solution.
We are taught, as children, to live according to others wishes if we want the prized reward (praise). If we do not do what they want, we get the other reward (scorn). Just try to be true to your own person. Live your life with integrity, honesty, truthfullness, and for how you want to be seen as. Again, there is no right or wrong.
Now I read more posts.
We are living in the here and now. What went on yesterday is gone, and can never be changed. We can and do have the power to influence what is going on around us right now. The best way to overcome the past is to forget about it. Start making choices today with things you can influence as you go through the day.
As for tomorrow, things may not be the way you planned. It will be up to you to have a positive influence on tomorrow, when it becomes today, at this moment.
dream mate
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~Wing Night~Triple B's~July 26th
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7/24/2007 9:17:50 AM
There are a lot more pool tables there. The 3 are free. The other tables are quite reasonably priced.
As to poorly organized....that statement sucks.
Kats, you are the best.
When some one says that, it is a reflection of their personal state of mind.
dream mate
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~Wing Night~Triple B's~July 26th
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7/21/2007 10:45:49 AM
Hats off to the promoter of this event. I went to the last one, and I had a great time meeting new people.
If you are a stick in the mud...please stay stuck, and stay away, because we would only pull you out....Ha Ha Ha.
Seriously, this was one of the best times I have ever had at a poof event and I am glad you put another one together Kats. I was sad there was not one last Thursday.
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~Wing Nite~ Triple B's ...Thurs. June 21st...
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6/19/2007 11:05:38 AM
He said... "so help me, I'll spank you"
She said...."so spank me, I'll help you"
If you see me, that means I am there!
dream mate
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Canada's 'spy' coin worries Americans........you thought you heard it all
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5/14/2007 3:24:33 PM
Funny, but so true.
US citizens are so used to being cheated and spied on by themselves and their Governments, they trust no one. It is a sad state of affairs. Mix that with other facts, like this has been going on in the US since Independence Day, and you have a nation of people who trust nothing. There are a lot of good people in the USA, but try and get them to believe you even with truth and evidence.
That is not a very comforting picture of what the biggest dog looks and acts like.
Is this the part that plays out, just before some kind of a break down of World domination?
dream mate
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Beach Party! May 17th
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5/14/2007 2:34:49 PM
Hi all...... I havn't been on here much, not because I got hooked up......My worm is not chewed up...Ha ha ha.
My best bud is going to be out for a visit, from Alberta. I might just have to drag him out for the evening. If he is up to it, we will be there. I see there are some farmilliar faces still treading water in the pond.
We most likely will show up, and be driving in from Steinbach, if any one needs a ride from this neck of the woods.
dream mate
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What do men think of unemployed single moms?
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12/28/2006 7:53:15 AM
Somebody is being a baaaad gurl...........needs a lickin.....
dream mate
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POF karaoke night
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12/27/2006 8:09:21 AM
EDC....Just watch out if the Dr. trys to give you a painless beef injection.
There are a lot of good singers here. I don't know the trick to get them out, I think they are shy.
A new year with a new outlook......
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Angels
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12/1/2006 2:30:41 PM
Hey sue, here is a bit my sister sent me today
Do You Smell That
A cold March wind danced around the dead of night in Dallas as the
doctor walked into the small hospital room of
Diana Blessing. She was still groggy from surgery.
Her husband, David, held her hand as they braced themselves
for the latest news.
That afternoon of March 10, 1991, complications had forced
Diana, only 24-weeks pregnant, to undergo an emergency
Cesarean to deliver couple's new daughter, Dana Lu Blessing.
At 12 inches long and weighing only one pound nine ounces,
they already knew she was perilously premature.
Still, the doctor's soft words dropped like bombs.
"I don't think she's going to make it," he said, as kindly
as he could.
"There's only a 10-percent chance she will live through the
night, and even then, if by some slim chance she does make
it, her future could be a very cruel one."
Numb with disbelief, David and Diana listened as the doctor
described the devastating problems Dana would likely face
if she survived.
She would never walk, she would never talk, she would
probably be blind, and she would certainly be prone to
other catastrophic conditions from cerebral palsy to
complete mental retardation, and on and on.
"No! No!" was all Diana could say.
She and David, with their 5-year-old son Dustin, had long
dreamed of the day they would have a daughter to become a
family of four. Now, within a matter of hours, that dream
was slipping away.
But as those first days passed, a new agony set in for
David and Diana.
Because Dana's underdeveloped nervous system was
essentially 'raw', the lightest kiss or caress only
intensified her discomfort, so they couldn't even cradle
their tiny baby girl against their chests to offer the
strength of their love. All they could do, as Dana
struggled alone beneath the ultraviolet light in the tangle
of tubes and wires, was to pray that God would stay close
to their precious little girl.
There was never a moment when Dana suddenly grew stronger. But
as the weeks went by, she did slowly gain an ounce of weight here and an
ounce of strength there.
At last, when Dana turned two months old, her parents were
able to hold her in their arms for the very first time. And
two months later, though doctors continued to gently but
grimly warn that her chances of surviving, much less living
any kind of normal life, were next to zero, Dana went home
from the hospital, just as her mother had predicted.
Five years later, when Dana was a petite but feisty young
girl with glittering gray eyes and an unquenchable zest for
life. She showed no signs whatsoever of any mental or
physical impairment. Simply, she was everything a little
girl can be and more. But that happy ending is far from the
end of her story.
One blistering afternoon in the summer of 1996 near her
home in Irving , Texas , Dana was sitting in her mother's lap
in the bleachers of a local ball park where her brother
Dustin's baseball team was practicing.
As always, Dana was chattering nonstop with her mother and
several other adults sitting nearby when she suddenly fell
silent
Hugging her arms across her chest, little Dana asked,
"Do you smell that?"
Smelling the air and detecting the approach of a
thunderstorm, Diana replied, "Yes, it smells like rain."
Dana closed her eyes and again asked, "Do you smell that?"
Once again, her mother replied,
"Yes, I think we're about to get wet. It smells like rain."
Still caught in the moment, Dana shook her head, patted her
thin shoulders with her small hands and loudly announced,
"No, it smells like Him.
It smells like God when you lay your head on His chest."
Tears blurred Diana's eyes as Dana happily hopped down to
play with the other children.
Before the rains came, her daughter's words confirmed what
Diana and all the members of the extended Blessing family
Had known, at least in their hearts, all along.
During those long days and nights of her first two months
of her life, when her nerves were too sensitive for them to
touch her, God was holding Dana on His chest and it is His
loving scent that she remembers so well.
"I can do all things in Him who strengthens me."
This morning when the Lord opened a window to Heaven, He saw me,
and He,asked: "My child, what is your greatest wish for today?" I
responded: "Lord please, take care of the person who is reading this
message, their family and their special friends. They deserve it
and I love them very much"
The love of God is like the ocean, you can see its beginning, but not its end.
ANGELS EXIST but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
Call them , FAMILY FRIENDS and loved ones.
Really makes you think about life.
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Was there ever a world wide flood?
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12/1/2006 2:22:53 PM
Here is some way out stuff, but it is the direction thinking is going with regard to where we came from.
The Myth Of The 12 World Pyramids
By James Donahue
March 2006
Everybody knows about the pyramids of Egypt. Most people also are aware of pyramid-type structures built by the ancient civilizations that once inhabited the jungles of Central and Northern South America.
But there are other pyramids that exist, some in China, India, and I am told that the ruins of a large pyramid also was found not long ago in the swamplands of South Florida.
In short, large stone pyramids seemed to have existed at one time in the distant past all over the world. Over the years I have wracked my brain attempting to link some common thread to this phenomenon. How could people so far apart be interested in building massive stone structures of the same basic design? What or who motivated them to take on such monumental tasks?
It was almost as if some superhuman entity . . . Lucifer perhaps . . . dropped down out of the sky to visit these people, and then gave them the instructions and the basic blueprint for the structure they were to erect. That the work involved cutting and lifting stones of phenomenal weight, it even may be suggested that there was extraterrestrial help in doing the work.
Psychic and Prophet Aaron C. Donahue has suggested that all of these colossal stone megaliths, including such unexplained mysteries as Stonehenge in England, and the strange heads peering out to sea from Easter Island, were left for the same reason. That reason was to remind us of who we are. We were to remember that we are descendents of Lucifer and that the Earth is our Mother. We were to remember our covenant to care for the Mother Earth so that we, as a people, might live and prosper for a long time.
With that in mind, I was fascinated by some writing I found on the Crystal Links website titled the Twelve Pyramids of Thoth. Thoth, identified as an Egyptian Moon god, claims to be the overseer of the great pyramid of Egypt. He says in this work that the Egyptian pyramid was the last of the 12 great world pyramids to be built.
The first, he said, is located under the ice in Antarctica. The others are in Tibet, Lumeria (a legendary lost continent in the Pacific region), Atlantis, Mexico, Peru, Europe, Australia, Canada, Middle East, United States and finally Egypt.
I believe pyramids, or at least the remnants of what may once have been large pyramid type buildings, have been found in most of these places. I am not sure about Australia but then I believe there are secrets hidden in that desolate land that are known only to the aboriginals. The locations of both Atlantis and Lumeria are either unknown or long disputed.
What interested me was a prophetic message in the information about the Antarctic pyramid. It says this structure is a portal to other planetary systems and its function is to assist in the comings and goings of alien entities who have been part of the history of Planet Earth.
“These entities came to the planet in great spaceships and interacted with hose who lived on the planet, in the water, and below the surface,” the messenger says.
The kicker comes with this: “And when this book is found, the ice shall melt from this place, revealing starships created by this pyramid, left behind as reminders of their work and interaction on your planet.”
That the book is known is a clear indication that if it is ancient, it has indeed been “found.” That we are watching with alarm the global warming reports that warn that both the Arctic and Antarctic regions are melting. Many of us could live to see the day when the entire continent of Antarctica will be exposed, as will all of the ancient artifacts that once existed there.
If a giant pyramid and starship is found there, it will change the thinking of the world forever.
There is some other stuff that makes me really sit up and think about the whole. There are lots of other things which have been discovered, but kept from general public knowledge. A spark plug in a Geode found in Arizona. Area 51, is there a tomb site with Egyptian pyramid type of writings on the walls and who knows what else inside.
How long will people hide the truth they have found, in an effort to bring glory on themselves or to sustain an belief they have touted?
It is a testiment to human nature, greed, self glorification and all of the other things that the Bible warns us to reject in our life's walk.
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Was there ever a world wide flood?
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12/1/2006 10:10:56 AM
Thanks for the support all4.
I think that there is a lot more out there than the Bible explains. I am using it as a standard of truth and working around it to think about the hidden picture. There are way too many things that can't be explained by evolution and a big bang. The only bang was a meteor or a shower of ice and rock hitting the Earth.
That still doesn't explain the Creation of Man.
In the borderland between Tibet and China there is the cave region of the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains. 25 years ago, remarkable finds of tablets with writing and hieroglyphics were made there. Several thousand years ago a people whose looks chinese archeologists are only vaguely familiar with, had been cutting phonograph record like stonedisks out of the hardest granite with a set of completely unkown tools. The 716 stonedisks found so far also have a hole in their center just as phonograph records do. From there, spiralling out towards the rim, are double-grooves. These grooves of course are not like sound-tracks but rather the most peculiar writing-system which has ever been found in China and possibly even the world. It took archeologists and scientists over two decades to decipher it. The contents are so fantastic that the academy of pre-history in Beijing didn't want to publish the report of the scientist Prof. Tsum Um Nui at first. Backed by four colleagues, archeologist Tsum Um Nui stated: "the groove-writing tells of aerial vehicles which, according to the stonedisks, existed 12.000 years ago". In one place it says literally: "The Dropa came down from the clouds with their airgliders. Ten times the men, women and children of the Kham hid in the caves until sunrise. Then they understood the signs and saw that the Dropa came in peace this time."
Finds of the Dropa and Kham races have been made earlier already in these mountain caves. Archeologists were and still are unable to ethnologically assign these only up to 4 ft. 4 in. tall humans. There are no similarities with the Chinese, Mongols or Ribetans. One could of course suggest that a few thousand years ago a Kham literate was playing a joke, or that it was mere superstition when he was talking about aircrafts. But then, what does one do about the statement, all sensations excluded, reported in other groove-hieroglyphics of a great mourning about the own airfleet's destruction during landing in the very inaccessible mountains and the lack of means to rebuild it.
from history of the Dogons
The only thing that evolutionists have to base their theory on is c14 to calculate the age of things. That is only theory, because there is no actual proof that it is right for items that are thought of as being 100,000 years old. What if it is wrong? Stranger things have happened.
The fact that there are models of airplains from thousands of years ago only means that we understand very little about our past. To put your whole belief and thought process into one basket will only end in closing your mind to a possible revelation.
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Was there ever a world wide flood?
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11/30/2006 2:18:15 PM
Well....if you take the Biblical and Pyramid account of how people behaved before and since the flood, I am sure that most things were optional (as they are today).
It is only in the last few years that women are treated as being equal to men.
LP....ok as long as you show me how to use my pointy stick.Ha...Ha...Ha!
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Was there ever a world wide flood?
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11/30/2006 8:21:29 AM
I have been trying to make some sense of the truth the Bible gives us. There are a lot of other things that have really made the whole puzzle fit a bit better.
The newly discovered (2006) Pyramids in Bosnia. They found crushed human leg bones between two blocks.
The idea that Eden and Babylon was in Bosnia/Armenia not Iraq. They might find the lost City after all.
Some of the Pyramids in Egypt, although Egyptians will dissagree, were built before the flood and they were later re-used as tombs for the Pharoah's. The Spynx was re-carved with a man's face after the flood.( A Lion? )
A look at what man was like 5000-6000 years ago.(not much differen't than people are today)
The most interesting part of what that book in the op brings up is that if you use Math to calculate our growth as a world population, since we had dependable records up to today, and go backwards to 0, you come to the Biblical account of Noah and a flood wiping out all humanity.
Using this logic, it is not too much of a stretch to take the Biblical account as fact, though there might be some minor clarifications needed in the account.
I am going to tour the Pyramids of the World.......the internet is a wonderfull tool, that Satan has devised.
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Was there ever a world wide flood?
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11/29/2006 3:45:39 PM
I have been doing a lot of research lately, and some of the things that have come up from time to time are quite incredible. Here is one of the best discussions that I have found so far.
There are some startling new discoveries in Armenia and that leading to where the Civilization we know today mutated (migrated) from.
Perhaps this is not surprising. If the assumption is made that our ancestors must always have been more primitive, it seems clear that they may never be found, for they may in fact not have been more primitive. The examination of this point is the subject of another Doorway Paper. (18)
17. Fleure, H. J., The Races of Mankind, Benn, London, 1930, p.45.
18. See "Fossil Remains of Early Man and the Record of Genesis", Part I in Genesis and Early Man, vol.2 in The Doorway Papers Series, Zondervan Pblishing Company.
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Henry Field, no mean authority, writing of the Iranian Plateau, pointed out that (19)
. . . as a centre of dispersion Iran has the unique position of being approximately equidistant from China, Java, South Africa, and England, where the earliest human remains have been found.
Ellsworth Huntington, whose theories of climatic influence upon history are not accepted too widely but whose knowledge in this area is unquestionable, has postulated "that during the late Pleistocene times Southern Iran was the only region in which temperature and humidity were ideal not only for human conception and fertility, but also for chances of survival" [his emphasis]. (20)
Griffith Taylor was of the opinion that Western Asia is the true home of man because of the distribution pattern of early and of primitive man. Thus he wrote: (21)
We know that the races were differentiated before the dawn of civilization. Indeed, one result of the study of the distribution of Man is to lead the writer to the belief that the so-called "yellow" or Mongolian type of man is a later product of human evolution than many Western members of the so-called White or European type. . . . .
A series of zones is shown to exist in the East Indies and Australasia which is so arranged that the most primitive are found farthest from Asia, and the most advanced nearest to Asia. This distribution about Asia is shown to be true of the other "peninsulas" (Europe is such a "peninsula"), and is of fundamental importance in discussing the evolution and ethnological status of the peoples concerned. . .
Whichever region we consider, Africa, Europe, Australia, or America, we find that the major migrations have always been from Asia.
Taylor then points out how very similar these early marginal societies were both physically and culturally, and he concludes that "Only the spreading of racial zones from a common cradle-land can possibly explain these affinities" [his emphasis].
The logic of this kind of argument has been denied by anthropologists, but their counter arguments are not very convincing. The distribution of fossil forms is clearly not ideal from the
19. Field, Henry, "The Iranian Plateau Race" in Asia, April,1940, p.217.
20. Huntington, Ellsworth: quoted by Henry Field, ref.19, p.217.
21. Taylor, Griffith, Environment, Race and Migration, University of Toronto, 1945, 2nd edition., p.88.
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evolutionary point of view. Thus, E. A. Hooton, in opposing this view that the more primitive fossils are found farthest from the centre of origin, had this to say: (22)
The adoption of such a principle would necessitate the conclusion that the places where one finds existing primitive forms of any order of animal (including man) are exactly the places where these animals could not have originated. . . . But this is the principle of "lucus a non lucendo" [finding light where one ought not to] which, pushed to its logical extreme, would lead us to seek for the birthplace of man in that area where there are no traces of ancient man and none of any of his primate precursors.
But this is exactly what we may be required to do. There are no truly primitive precursors here, because man had none.
However, while such precursors of man are absent in this central area, this is not at all true of the plants and animals which are now domesticated. One of the greatest authorities on plant and animal life from the point of view of origins and migrations was the Russian scientist N. I. Vavilov, who has since disappeared along with many others who could not wholeheartedly support the government in power. He spent many years tracing back species of plants and animals to their probable "home". A few years ago he wrote an article entitled "Asia: the Source of Species". In this he demonstrated clearly that the majority of those species of cultivated plants and domesticated animals which seemed to have accompanied human settlements from very early times can be traced back to wild forms in this area. He sums up the matter in this way: (23)
The total number of species of flowering plants in the entire world now known to botanists is about one hundred and sixty thousand. These species are not distributed equally over the face of the globe. . . .
The great majority of the cultivated plants of the world trace their origin to Asia. Out of 640 important cultivated plants, about 500 originated in Southern Asia. In Asia alone we have established five of the principle regions of cultivated plants. . . . The fifth region of origin in Asia is the Southwestern Asiatic centre and includes Asia Minor, Trans-Caucasia, Iran and Western Turkmenistan. This region is remarkable, first of all, for its richness in numbers of species of wheat resistant to different diseases. . . . There is no doubt that Armenia is the chief home of cultivated wheat. Asia Minor and Trans-Caucasia gave origin to rye which is represented here by a great number of varieties and species. . . .
Our studies show definitely that Asia is not only the home of the majority of modern cultivated plants, but also of our chief domesticated animals such as the cow, the yak, the buffalo, the zebu, sheep, goat, horse, and pig. . . . The chief home of the cow and other cattle, the Oriental type of horse, the goat and the sheep is specifically Iran. . . .
22. Hooten, A. E., "Where Did Man Originate?" in Antiquity, June, 1927, p.149.
23. Vavilov, N. 1., "Asia: Source of Species" in Asia, February, 1937, p.113.
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As the result of a brilliant work of Dr. Sinskaya, the discovery was recently made that the home of alfalfa, the world's most important forage crop, is located in Trans-Caucasia and Iran. . .
From all these definitely established facts the importance of Asia as the primary home of the greatest
majority of cultivated plants and domesticated animals is quite clear.
Although Henry Osborn wrote some forty years ago [1936], his observations as follows are still fundamentally true: (24)
Both the human and the animal inhabitants [of Europe] migrated in great waves from Asia and from Africa, in the latter case, it being probably that the source of the migratory wave was also in Asia, North Africa being merely the route of passage for the majority of the forms. . . .
The great Cultures and great cultire Races of Europe in pre-historic times came doubtless from Asia. The men who used metals, who owned flocks and herds, and who grew crops -- that is, the men out of whom it was possible to develop modern civilization -- were all immigrants in Europe who had originated and started up elsewhere.
In this extract from Men of the Old Stone Age, Osborn had in mind, not the subsequent migrations in historic times of people who brought new cultural elements, but rather the pioneers who laid the foundations.
3. Population Growth Rate Since the Time of the Flood
Estimates of time periods based on population growth rates are not very reliable. I have seen figures given for the population at the time of the Flood which run from a few hundred thousand to several hundred million. These calculations were based on certain premises which the authors who made them considered quite reasonable. In all such estimates it is these premises which are critical. It is not by any means safe to assume that great longevity would necessarily lead to a greatly accelerated population growth rate, though it seems logical to suppose that it has some effect. For example, a man whose normal life span is seventy years can reasonably expect to begin raising children by the time he is twenty-five, or approximately one-third of his total life span. On the other hand, those who lived to be eight hundred or nine hundred years old began to raise children, according to Genesis,
when they had achieved about one-seventh of their total span of life. This in itself could be expected to lead to a somewhat different population growth rate than is true today.
The number of variables involved is so difficult to evaluate that it seems rather fruitless to attempt any estimate of the number of people who perished in the Flood. On the other hand, the population
24. 0sborn, Henry, Children of the Old Stone Age, Scribners, N.Y., 1936, p.19.
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growth rate since that time can be treated with a little more precision. In the first place, the date of the Flood can be established fairly accurately from the Bible, because there do not appear to be any serious gaps in the subsequent genealogies. Moreover, the span of life soon fell to a level not greatly differing from our own, in contrast to pre-Flood longevity. Furthermore, certain information can be derived from Scripture regarding the initiation of the Jewish people as a distinct family, which is useful here.
In estimating the time required for the evolution of a new species from an old stock, it is quite customary to calculate the number of supposed mutations required to transform one type of animal into another. Allowing so many centuries for each mutation to spread significantly through a population, and multiplying this time unit by the number of mutations, a period is estimated, usually in hundreds of thousands of years, as a minimum within which such speciation could occur. These estimates, based on intelligent guesswork, are given considerable credence. The use of such methods of calculation is therefore considered quite valid.
A similar method can be applied to population increase, and this leads to some interesting results. World census figures are inevitably approximate only. This is obviously true also of mutation rates for extinct species, yet the use of such figures is nonetheless allowed. World War II created some major disruptions in population in certain groups, for which useful figures were available at the time of the 1922 Berlin census. For this review, therefore, the 1922 figures are being used, since they antedate these disruptions. Other contemporary sources give slightly variant figures, but the differences are not serious.
The population of the world at that time was estimated to have been 1,804,187,000. The human race must have doubled itself some 30.75 times to reach this figure.
According to the chronology of the Hebrew text, as interpreted by Anstey -- probably the most dependable and learned biblical chronologer -- we find that some 4,481 years have elapsed since the Flood, or 4,581 years since the birth of Noah's firstborn, at which time we may say in a manner of speaking that the present world population began with two individuals. This assumes for the sake of argument that the present population of the world is to be derived from those who escaped from the ark. Now, by dividing 4,581 by 30.75, we find that it requires an average of 146 years for the human race to double its numbers.
The same census states that the number of Jews was 15,383,815. It is readily admitted that the exact definition of the term "Jews" would be very difficult to ascertain. But allowing for the moment
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that this figure represents the descendants of Jacob in 1922, and using Anstey's date for the marriage of Jacob which he places approximately 3,795 years ago, we find that the Jewish people must have doubled their numbers once every 159 years. (25) We should not expect such figures to be accurate, but the correspondence for the period of doubling is rather remarkable and is surely significant.
Raymond Pearl gives figures which indicate that since A.D. 1630 the population of the world has doubled once every 129 years approximately. (26) He then provides a graph showing this rise from 1630 to the present time, but finds himself embarrassed by the problem of what to do with the curve from that date backward. We have reproduced this graph in Figure 2, but with a slight modification, namely, a vertical line which is intended to indicate the point in time at which the Flood occurred according to Anstey's reckoning. Any attempt to apply the present rates of increase to the world's population, if we place the first human pair some 500,000 years ago, leads to absurd results. In considering this aspect of the problem, Dudley Kirk, like Pearl, is forced to the same conclusion, namely, that the present rate of increase could not possibly have applied in the past. (27)
This may be quite true. It must surely be true if man is as ancient as we are required to believe he is by other lines of evidence held to be valid.
Yet the form of the graph shown here for population since 1630 indicates rather significantly that the curve, projected reasonably until it reaches zero population, would probably cross the vertical line representing the time of the Flood at a point indicating a very small population, thus confirming the biblical records of the early chapters of Genesis. There is plenty of time since then for the settling of the world. History shows that long migrations are made in a remarkably short interval.
25. Anstey, Martin, The Romance of Bible Chronology, Marshall Bros., London, 1913, vol.II.
26. Pearl, Raymond, Man the Animal, Principia Press, Bloomington, Ind., 1946, p.91.
27 .Kirk, Dudley, "Dynamics of Human Population" in Eugenics Quarterly, March, 1955, p.18.
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Kenneth Macgowan has shown that with respect to a Middle East "Cradle," the most distant settlement is in the very southern tip of South America, approximately 15,000 miles. (28) How long would such a trip take? He says it has been estimated that men might have covered the 4,000 miles from Harbin, Manchuria, to Vancouver Island in as little as twenty years. What about the rest of the distance southward? Alfred Kidder says, "A hunting pattern based primarily on big game could have carried man to southern South America without the necessity at that time of great localized adaptation. It could have been effected with relative rapidity, so long as camel, horse, sloth, and elephant were available. All the indications point to the fact that they were". (29)
According to de Quatrefages, 600,000 people made a trip from a point in Mongolia to China during the winter and under constant attack in just five months, covering a distance of 2100 miles;(30) and though this seems to be a staggering trip in so short a time, it actually works out to an average of fourteen miles per day. A. C. Haddon says many long migrations are known to have taken place in the past. (31)
We may sum up this chapter, therefore, by pointing out that there may well have been a very extensive Flood in the area under review; that this area was in many respects ideal for a fresh beginning; that this area may well have been the original home of the majority of plants and animal species which have since been domesticated; that this area was almost certainly the Cradle of Civilization; that from this area has since spread the whole of the world's present population; and finally that the date set by Scripture for the beginning of this movement is not unreasonable although at the present moment modern scientific opinion regarding the age of man hopelessly contradicts it.
We do not need to surrender our faith too easily. It has often happened in the past that some little discovery has completely overthrown a universally accepted theory. This may well happen again with respect to modern methods of dating the past. Rightly understood, all else in the biblical account of the Flood makes good sense. And the existence of world-wide traditions strongly supports the reality of a catastrophe which wiped out mankind still congregated in one area, with the exception of
28. Macgowan, Kenneth, Early Man in the New World, Macmillan, New York, 1950, p.3.
29. Kidder, Alfred, Appraisal of Anthropology Today, University of Chicago Press, 1953, p.46.
30. de Quatrefages, A., L'Espece Humaine, Balliere et Cie., Paris, 14th edition., 1905, pp. 135-36.
31. Haddon, A. C., History of Anthropology, Watts, London, 1949, p.123.
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a single family and a select number of animals and birds necessary for their well-being after the event was over.
In Genesis 7:1 the Lord said to Noah, "Come thou and all thy house into the ark" -- a very gracious invitation to join the Lord who was already there. The RSV has rendered this, "Go thou. . . ." This is not an invitation, but a command. In Genesis 8:16 the Lord naturally instructs Noah to "go forth" after it is all over.
Custance.org/Library/Volume9/Part_1/Chapter3.html
There is a lot of interesting reading for inquiring minds.
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Hey, Im a nice guy!
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advice given by Dr. Falcon
will probably be administered via a painless beef injection....fy..bigg
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I think women want a guy who is the alpha male to a point. Someone who will take charge and be happy
Hey falcon.......I take it you have never been married.
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Anyone else disgusted with our justice system???
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I know how you feel Geoff ^^ it always hurts after being Vandalised.
They hit my Car for a $20 computer that was full of viruses. It cost $200 (deductable) and $600 total to fix the damage. That is why things cost so much these days. Between the criminals, drug addicts and people padding their nests, our budgets are stretched to the limit.
There is not even the slightest hope of seeing changes in my lifetime. This system will have to collapse and who says the replacement will be any better. If we check out History, that is just the way things are.
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Anyone else disgusted with our justice system???
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It seems the only thing that really says "you bad", is amputation of the offending part or the whole.
It must be done by someone who is without sin. Otherwise that will become corrupted by sin, over time, and won't be any better than what we have today. History is just a bigger circle.
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Anyone else disgusted with our justice system???
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And you thought God took a tough stand in Genesis. As I said before, "that is the language we all understand".
I am glad God has the final say, in my day of judgement.
This is the system we have built for ourselves. To be disgusted won't change things, no matter how much we think it stinks.
edit: I just watched this go from 3 pages to 1 page. The first comment is probably lost now.
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Harley Update ...
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Hey - PP..........Sorry for bringing down the wrath of the "Mods" to Manitoba.
Glad to see things went well.
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Thanks Veterans
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11/10/2006 2:07:35 PM
There is a Manitoba web site of my 2 Uncles who died in WW 2.
canadianheroes.org
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Orgasm ?
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Why don't you check out the squirting thread....as long as it is still around....that may have some other Ideas worth considering.
My x was like that for years. She said it would just get too intense. Then she started squirting.
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How many times is acceptable when emailing a new contact?
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11/10/2006 12:45:02 PM
when I've started up a communication with a girl, things seem to be going well, AND THEN suddenly - the emails stop and you never hear from them again.
One other option is that you are at various stages.
Say you are talking to 3 people at the same time. 1) 2 e-mails 2)10 e-mails 3) 20 e-mails, two coffee meets and you decide to try dating.
One and two seem to drop by the wayside, because if you keep talking to 1 and 2, 3 will get upset.
If you talk to 1 and 2 to explain your position, they get upset.
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10 Commandments (or something like that)
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Hey bigg......the C thread is gone. What did you do?
<div class="quote">Look at it ... 4000+ views. This is entertainment of the "Godzilla vs. Dr. Franknsteen" quality.LMFAO.....Ok....seeing as how I am suppose to stay on topic, I will offer this opinion. God did not create the universe, nor did he create man. The universe was created when the "big bang" occurred. We may not yet fully understand where life began on our planet, but with the help of SCIENCE we will. You people that believe in creation, and God have the right to believe what you wish. I believe in science over faith. IMHO.
That was the last post. I guess some one couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen and decided to get the last laugh in.
I think that fits into bearing false witness or something like that.
TYK - MSG 50
What I believe has been very beneficial for me was to find a basic STRONG BASE of belief based on STRONG assurances from the most RELIABLE of sources......this has allowed me to learn and grow and accept others without being "blown to and fro" with whatever whim of belief comes along.
That sounds what my experience was like. The Church groups liked the fact that I knew so much about the Bible, but they would get upset when I wouldn't let them brainwash me.
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10 Commandments (or something like that)
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This forum is for here for singles to talk about local events, happenings etc. You can also use this forum to plan local get togethers.
This forum is NOT FOR.
Threads such as " I am in town for the weekend looking for sex" etc
NO THREADS THAT DRAW ATTENTION TO YOURSELF ARE ALLOWED.
Threads like this will result in your thread being deleted as well as your account. Each part of this site has a purpose, if you want to message a lot of people and talk to others use the IM and message functions of this site.
Manitoba forum rules......I think they let you get away with more of those jibes and pokes in here than would be tolerated in the Global forum. That place is full of Sharks and they bite.
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10 Commandments (or something like that)
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11/9/2006 1:55:24 PM
(I wish I had my bible handy!)
You can....google BibleGateway, park it on the bottom and flip back and forth. I have only read the first post so far.
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^^Must Stop Gettingnoseoutofjointoverajoke
made me laugh and you too
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Mighty Se+y Guy..
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Plagiarism
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11/6/2006 2:28:57 PM
Ha Ha Ha.... wasn't this in the evolution thread .... same stew, different pot.
Trying to get this bunch into one common thought, is like trying to rationalize with Ostrich.
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Plagiarism
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#22^^ Be ware, the bougeyman will get you.
It is easy to slash and burn peoples opinions and beliefs, but it is hard to take any kind of critique. One needs to learn to swallow before they can be fed solid food.
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Fortunate......or just plain Spoiled??
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11/3/2006 2:20:32 PM
They want things now, but are not willing to work and save for them. If you take one of those entry level jobs, you can barely make enough to survive on, let alone have any fun. Fun today requires lots of cash.
It is hard for a young person to get established and earn their own way.
I think we have given them what ever they wanted as children, when it was less expensive than pleasing an adult. Somewhere they need to learn to do without un-necessary things.
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What Men don't know about their penis....
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11/3/2006 1:47:07 PM
I guess that is what's called banging......
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~*Hot for Teacher*~
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11/3/2006 1:26:29 PM
Grade 9, new teacher, first day of school......She came into the class and sat on the front of her desk and crossed her legs.....did I say mini skirts had just become fationable.
I don't think there was one guy in that class that so much as blinked the whole time and I was lucky enough to be seated in the front row. I got to the class a bit late and all the seats in the back were taken by the guys. They were snickering at me because I had to sit front and center. That was my desk for the year.
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What Men don't know about their penis....
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11/3/2006 1:13:39 PM
I will touch on this subject for about 10 minutes at a time.
I hear you like Garlic Kats......well.....To avoid the need for flue shots, I started eating raw Garlic about 6 years ago. One of the side effects of raw garlic is a bigger stronger hard on. I don't know if phizer has heard of this, but Garlic is $2.00 a Kg at Superstore. Oh ya, haven't had my yearly flue since.
Want to stop by for some Garlic Toast?
Now if I can only remember what this hammer is for.
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Can a relationship survive politics?
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11/2/2006 3:10:48 PM
Did anyone ask Bill and Hillary about this?
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In a relationship, is it better to Rent or Own.
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11/2/2006 2:54:47 PM
Ha Ha Ha....I am in a good mood today.
That was one of my dreams........"I can always rent myself out for the afternoon"....or was that a fantasy.
If you only rent, that implies a temporary situation. Where is there any foundation for a future life together?
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Would you have a relationship with a guy who's living paycheck by paycheck?
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11/2/2006 2:27:01 PM
This one made me chuckle. I have been to China and that seems more the norm.....or shall I say, that doesn't surprize me.
They say that behind every good Man there is a good Woman. You may be able to get him trained, the way you want. If he really wants to live that way, it is a given that way is not acceptable to you. He will need to change his ways or you will never be happy.
Holy...after finishing the thread, 90% of you missed the point....the guy is a slob and she doesn't want to pick up after him for the rest of her life or their life together. Money is not the issue at all. You people are wacked on smething. Can I have some of those drugs, they seem to work well?
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What if the love of your life has genital herpes?
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11/2/2006 1:47:15 PM
There might be a third way???? Search "Rife".
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Computers are a tool of Satan
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11/2/2006 10:25:56 AM
Alien vs Predator on Deep Space Nine
People are people, and we are tricked into doing bad things in any type of society. Satan uses whatever he has available in order to manipulate people. That was shown when Eve ate an Apple.
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