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stitchimage

Joined: 12/26/2005

Msg: 142 (view)

read the thred Posted: 9/18/2006 7:26:49 PM
this is why i gave it up. You people must have 1st grade education. yes you can have girl friends. But again and again not whole out on a date from a dating service. Have fun masturbating wih your freind the rest if us are getting laid. you chase a women that anounces lets be freinds-YOU"LL BE USED TO DEATH.

stitchimage

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Msg: 141 (view)

to john q public-YOU ALL DONT READ DO YOU Posted: 5/11/2006 7:04:00 PM
this is why I quit this forum. YES you can have women freinds. Yes you can hang with women. BUT NOT GOING OUT ON A DATE , THAT YOU MET TO BE A DATE AND ANNOUNCE LETS BE FRIENDS. MOST OF YOU MUST HAVE A 5TH GRADE READING LEVEL AS TO WHAT HIS FORUM IS ABOUT. IM NOT REPEATING IT AGAIN. YOU ALLL NEED TO GET AN EDUCATION !

stitchimage

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Msg: 40 (view)

to alone2 sooon and other Posted: 4/5/2006 9:01:00 PM
I have had the pleasure of being witha soulmate. and i agree becoming one is an experiance of a lifetime.intertwing soals for a brief moment. feeling her heart as if it were yours.passion and love beyond belief. Its magic and love in its purest form. it is heaven on earth. in my case , i should have had a size 11 boot put up my butt for stupidity. but erma bomback said it best " the grass is greener on the other side" -YEA RIGHT ! And on the other hand you may never find that soulmate. its timing, geography and your age. I was fortunate , i hope others are too in thier quest. I have searched for 25 years for my lost love. So lisa wolenchiak if your out there im here !

stitchimage

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Msg: 136 (view)

well Im fried done and cooked Posted: 4/5/2006 8:50:06 PM
Im sorry to say i am done with this forum. time contraints and all (all=boat). so i wish to thank all who have contributed-good and bad. The fact of the matter is no matter how you slice it. freinds first means disaster later. You can argue till blue in the face-but in the end that statement will prevail. It may work for a small few enlightened person. Remember we are all individuals and special in our own way (good or bad-lol). so open general statements are not the rule, be yourself and most of all be HONEST. Dating is serious , dont treat the other like meat. they have feelings too. To all you feminist who detest the fact that I am a macho pig with testicles-BITE MY ARS. Then go get your rubber****and play with it forever. You can respond But Hey- I W ill never see it. BIG LOL. You may have won the war-But revolution is a good thing from time to time (highlander) so kiss my ###. to all others. dont try to redesign what god intended. MAN-WOMEN date-kids-family-grandkids. Gee works for me. OH THATS RIGHT SHE WANTS TO BE FRIENDS !!!!!!!

stitchimage

Joined: 12/26/2005

Msg: 2 (view)

Pictures Here Posted: 2/19/2006 1:01:12 PM
Here's another i found out here- people posting older (younger looking) pictures here. I have been over to yahoo and checked profiles to find that the pic i saw here was 100 pounds differant or 10 years differant. And no photo people- just forget it. Most of us feel you have something to hide by not posting a pic. Would you buy something sight unseen. Or are you married and looking to cheat. take some pics to walmrt to have converted costs about 5 bucks. or find someone wioth a scanner and have them done. who wants to start to meet someone on a visual lie. NOT ME

stitchimage

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Msg: 131 (view)

Amen to belle Posted: 2/19/2006 12:51:28 PM
thank you very much. YOU ARE ONE OF THE ONES THAT GET IT. But you missed one more catagory- The women who's body language says YES , YES , YES and us guys who say - I want , want. then annouces the lets be freinds deal. By then the little head has already took over. and Our real brains go out the window. And we (idots meaning me) would be dumb enough to go and agree to it. Now a days since i am older (hopefully wiser) i do not run into this often-women in 35-50 range tend to be more upfront. But if i am going to meet someone drive miles- i want to know up front where she and i would be at or looking for. We all hate rejection , but i would rather be rejected than hung on a chain of men on the dates man-charm bracelet. just dangleing there. No one wants to commit anymore-fear , finances , diseases , and a whole gambit more work against relationships before they start. We are weary before we even start. See my parents generation never had all this to worry about. You dated , you got engauged , and got married. Today we have a whole array of relationships. the question is are we going forward or into an abyss of individualism.

stitchimage

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Msg: 1 (view)

web assciated problems with POF Posted: 2/14/2006 8:56:44 PM
One Tisny problem I have had here is i keep changing in my profile the drop down looking for what sex i always pick F for female. it always keeps defaulting to male when i am seaching for Female. I can only imagine what cost , time or systems this Site must do to maintain all of us. But please POF fix that CGI dropdown problem. Thanx. Anyone else seem to have problems drop a line here or better yet a compliment. we can help them by being eyes and ears for them. And THANK YOU POF we appreciate you.

stitchimage

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Msg: 129 (view)

Hows that working fer ya Posted: 2/11/2006 11:39:43 AM
havent had it recently. Most women in thier 40's dont do it. thier looking for dates not friends. I did it once a long time ago. but actually paid the whole check and left her sitting there. but she had user abuser attitude.

stitchimage

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Msg: 127 (view)

then so be it Posted: 2/9/2006 5:24:41 PM
i do not put down opposite points of relavent idea's and your right

stitchimage

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Msg: 36 (view)

Here's one for the books Posted: 2/8/2006 9:19:51 PM
happened here at POf and my buddy who i showed here. He met a women, Dated 5 days- they hit it off great like fireworks. He , then me , tried to explain to her what reactive attachment disorder is (RAD). She in denail (and thinking she knew better than the girls own father) thretened him with child protective services. tried to bypass the dad and contactt the girl and said she could do better with her (unbenounced to her all the docs and shrinks too , or so she thought.) he swore that the women was a fruitbasket , and that anyone thretening his daughter was not going to be around them. and that was that. So dating woth our kinda kids -suggest sticking with someone in same boat or trained to understand. Oh by the way-- He went back to her !!!! UG

stitchimage

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Msg: 125 (view)

photonut Posted: 2/8/2006 9:04:51 PM
the charge is 120..0 for my new glasses after reading that.(lol) you must a jounalist. LONG WINDED. phew i need a drink after that response. have you ever heard the term oxymoron. i thank you for your opinion , some i agree with and some i dont. and i dont have enough space to repond to all your thred. But we are mammels who are meant to procreate. Period. as far as my jounalistic skills (that dont exist) sorry i am an average joe that has a point along with a few others.in society we tend to over complicate things , I was being simplistic. breaking it down to the basic form. Mating. And yes we appreciate that women are up front here. yea!!!! but that wasnt the point. See its again that the minute i exercise masculinty or male point of view-some women comes along and tells me it's wrong.My point proven again. Thanks. if you havent lived this -dont act as an authority. if you have then great u understand and sorry it happened to you. and yes we men mix the 3. because of hormones , if we had our way we'd skip 1 and 2. I do beieve romance is differant. actually i know it. had a GF lots of sex and no roamance.became kinda mecahincal. So even if we are "UG men" do have a softer side too. (sorry guys)

stitchimage

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Msg: 124 (view)

stay on track Posted: 2/8/2006 8:41:11 PM
those last two threds were something from "pashna wann be guru" hello folks stay on topic. starlightlove- with a name like that i can see where your head is in the clouds. you are young and nieve. first off- not all men want sex as the absolute goal. I am older and compatability and day to day enjoying each other is way more important than sex. 2- I will trade my testosterone for your measely period. try being horney 7d, 365 a yr. dont like it complain to god or become gay. its this nuvo risch attitude that sets me off. no wonder my younger freinds cant get dates. you young girls have you heads up your ar'ses. what a crock. I know 128-25 yr olds that say women are wierd now adays. And i tend to agree. I know one thing if you announce to me on a date lets be friends- I'd hand you the check and my half paid and leave you sitting there wondering what happened. Dont think you have us CONNED- you want your cake and eat it too. example:Maybe I'll tell bobby lets be griends but he's soo cute and date jerry who has the money but is a jerk. Oh thats right here's a generalaztion back to you -women are out for the money. WRONG. next time you write , write with your head and not your heart-it will make alot more sense.

stitchimage

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Msg: 14 (view)

Have you found and then lost your soulmate? - yes Posted: 2/6/2006 3:27:00 PM
to stupidity and being nieve. nut i wanted a child and she couldnt. i wish i could find her again

stitchimage

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Msg: 120 (view)

So I Am Right Posted: 2/6/2006 3:21:13 PM
from what i see , most agree that women abuse men by saying "lets be friends" again in a dating enviroment.

stitchimage

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Msg: 33 (view)

Would you date a MAN with a special needs child? Posted: 2/4/2006 1:36:17 AM
try like me - My son has aspergers syndrome. a form of autism. Which make them not very good socially. Or like my buddy who's duaghter has "reactiva attachmanet disorder" (picture a nioghtmare behavioral child) would you date someone like that. Most of "dad" are dads for life. The word Dad of father nowadays has a special meaning. We DO go the nine yards for our kids or any kid for that fact. We are dads because we want to be. That is the type for you to date. A single guy off the street or bar - forget it. they wont have the mentality or undertanding. I work with kids and let me tell you- most every kids nowadays is pronounced with something. we have too many titles for too many behaviors. so just think your not that far from the norm.

stitchimage

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Msg: 178 (view)

to miss pinochio - a puppet on a string Posted: 1/31/2006 9:46:15 PM
from a male persective- he's palying you and he knows it and your the sucker for it. And ya know -typical women- you'll keep going back for more and wind up marrying him. When really nice guys exist out there. But NOOOOO the more abuse he gives , the more you'll wine about him and go running back. shhesh - ladies - what do you have aginst the real nice guys. i have seen this time and time again (ex model photographer) and heard the wineing. but face it you women go for the bad boys -divoorce them when you come to your senses- then place an ad on a dating service that goes like this- " Im seeking a honest guy,who is loving sensitive , bla,bla ,bla" when you should have done it in the first place. so you look young- be smart the first time - use your head and not your heart. and most of all LISTEN TO WHAT HE IS REALLY SAYING !!then you'll believe me. (sorry guys traitor to our gender and tricks)

stitchimage

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Msg: 119 (view)

reply Posted: 1/31/2006 9:10:30 PM
from a male point of view-yep it does happen that way. Again there are exceptions for enlightened women. But unless you give me a flashlight -im not that enlightened.

stitchimage

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Msg: 86 (view)

ahh Bulls**t Posted: 1/31/2006 9:06:43 PM
My man always holds me close as we bask in afterglow. Otherwise the connection we made during lovemaking would be broken all too soon.\ what is this thred "harliquin romance novels" get a grip lady. Im not saying your wrong , but , WE ARE INSENSITVE MALE BRUTES. lol We just need a little teaching and coaxing. But dont put us out on the couch because we dont do it. OH , wait a minute -sleeping on the couch is like camping out (we men like that)

stitchimage

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Msg: 118 (view)

wooo best -she's on our side Posted: 1/31/2006 8:52:43 PM
first i recieved a wonderful email from anabee. Again thank you. Anabee for you folks voiced her opioion to us that what im saying is true and we need to get back to basics as a society. there is nothing wrong with both sexes being honest. TRUST-is the basis of all relationships -period. if you have trust (and sparks) you have the foundation of a relationship and friendship within a relationship. Just because it is polically incorrect for you all to hear it- well get over it. one voice in history is all that was needed to change things. I have many here. Again my thanks to best for being a co-author here. and montreal for a younger point of view. We men here have lived it. And I wish i knew best 25 years ago maybe i would have learned faster. took my 5 times in life (younger) to draw the line. Why so many times- respect of women and thier chaging rights at the time. BUt wooooo- we have gone too far in the opposite direction. is it all going to end up platonic , test tube babies (1984 /movie) where shaking hands is better than exchanging bodily fluids (demolition man). We as a society believe our own BS. and now women are believing this BS as fact. the way it should be- seek out a possible date - be friends first-then see what happens. (the trend thought now) I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS FROM EXPERIANCE ** NOTHING** so let the buyer beware.I'd rather buy a pocket pal than be put thru that ever again. And as best and i say " you had to live it, to be an authority on it."

stitchimage

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Msg: 112 (view)

to slubrub Posted: 1/31/2006 3:06:40 PM
spoken like a true feminiist. why cant the women be HONEST and state , Your not my type and let me move on-insted of stringing me along. and agin the personal attacks. folks we all have opionions and ***holes , seems like i am hearing from the latter. read the entire thred. then maybe you will have an understanding of what were saying here. and as you see in my pick i can dress and i do brush. I am a realist , a black and white kind of person. and when i see something wrong , i openly set it to discussion as we do here. Women are great , i have alot of dates , but i establish right up front that do not announce the freinds thing. I have plenty of friends , that I am seeking a mate. Just that simple. if it offends them - im not out anything. i say goodbye and goodluck. if they announce there on the rebound or any out of the norm situation- IM gone. Dating costs alot , money and emotioanally. so why waste time and effort. and i will not apologise for masculinity. Yes i can be sensitive, caring etc in the right circumstance. Heck i love animals. But when the boat is sinking or the house is on fire , im not going to start crying about it - im going to fix it. thats what we men do!!!!! And hey UG , my knuckles do have scars on them

stitchimage

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Msg: 47 (view)

to tmp Posted: 1/30/2006 10:31:21 AM
i can see your a cheesy kind a guy. but there is a higher form of enlightenment out there beyond wisconson. And just the opposite , im fighting for male rights.maybe more tradional roles. We as society are so screwed up- like getting paid to have sex. What i was aying was haven been out there (couples) is it is his morality or libererl attitude that only matters. so go eat a piece of cheese and worry about you.

stitchimage

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Msg: 73 (view)

ok guys- were suppose to be more sensitive Posted: 1/30/2006 10:22:39 AM
Dont you know the feminists won. ! were suppose to be more sensitive to a womens needs (ever hear that before) where does it end. soon we will be wearing dresses and makeup. Ladies we love you , but usally who is doing all the work during sex (usally) we men. so yes were tired. And like me one eyed willie is throbbing , happy and wants to retire for the night. So concentarted effort is needed to be cuddly. and yes i need a cig after too. which requires me to get out of bed (no smoking in bed). so mostly she is ( S. out of Luck).

stitchimage

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Msg: 105 (view)

FOR FUN - BUT TRUE Posted: 1/30/2006 9:30:28 AM
Men's Rules- (copied from web) We always hear "the rules" from the female side. Now here are the rules from the male side. Finally!! So these are OUR rules! Please note...these are all numbered "1" ON PURPOSE! 1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. You can handle it. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down. 1. Sunday = sports. It's like the full moon. Let it be. 1. Crying is blackmail. 1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one. Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it! 1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question. 1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it, that's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for. 1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem. See a doctor. 1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days. 1. If you won't dress like the Victoria's Secret girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys. 1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us. 1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one. 1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself. 1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during commercials. 1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions, and neither do we. 1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is. 1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that. 1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle. 1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear. 1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the shotgun formation, or monster trucks. 1. You have enough clothes. 1. You have too many shoes. 1. I am in shape. ROUND is a shape. 1. Thank you for reading this; Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight, but did you know men really don't mind that, it's like camping.

stitchimage

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Msg: 104 (view)

vindication- thanks best guy Posted: 1/30/2006 7:53:27 AM
folks be accurate here please. please read (or skim read ) this thred. We get tired of repeating the same old thing. And we appreciate the educated opinions alot. Folks we have gone so far from what men and women should be. be it gay (im not gay bashing ) or this friends stuff. in old days Boy met Girl -dated. either worked or didnt. Now a days , people are carrying titles never heard of- bisexual , tri sexual (lol) , loners , single parent and the list goes on. How anyone can try to start relationships is beyond me. not to mention being so pickey due to the media. heck you have to be a model to even try to date. Now with all that in the mix- Some one wants to be friends in a dating enviroment. you head can begin to spin. I wonder if adam told eve "lets be friends" maybe thats why he picked the apple. "FUSTRATION" lol.

stitchimage

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Msg: 101 (view)

do i care - yes and no Posted: 1/26/2006 10:14:52 AM
first - am I disgruntled- Yes , your damn right. truth is truth no matter how you slice it. And if i were to meet someone here, i would want to start a relationship on truth and honesty. I have even met some women her that we would want to be just friends. but that is established right up front. and that is ok. responding to those who do not read the entre thred through- I wont. the subject is dateing and anouncing friends. if i dont get a date thru here because of this thred - so be it. But women will understand who i am, and what my beliefs are. NO DOUBLE STANDARDS. for either sex. I treat women with respect and honesty. i expect same in kind. And as bestguy has said if were friends , expect to be treated like a freind not like a possible would be date. i believe the term is "Stringing him along" as a backup in case things dont work out. Ever hear that statement. note: if adam told eve, hey lets be friends , we all wouldnt be here. Feminism has gone too far. No matter how politically correct we want to be , were 2 genders were ment to date , marry (hopefully) and procreate. Not be friends (again in a dating enviroment). Things have gone too far and becamed warped in relationships. Some women come back and say, "if we only started off as friends , it would be a better relationship". Well if you started off as freinds there would have been a relationship. Now yes some of you can do that. And cudo's to those who can rise above it. but its not the norm. peace all- and quit the personal hacks. this is a debate forum. not lets attack stitch.

stitchimage

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Msg: 82 (view)

PENIS HATS FOR SALE Posted: 1/23/2006 8:57:14 PM
Care of frankie the punk. ATTITUDE- I will tell you what my attitude was (besides smuck) I was taught to respect , revere and treat women right. I was tight to be a gentleman and kind and understanding twords women. Im other words treat a girl like you would your mom. because I loved and respected my mom. If she (my date) wasn't ready for a relationship I would hang around until she was. Well the fact of the matter (and i have been told by women this ) that if you do that -here's the funny part *** THEY WON'T RESPECT YOU ****** And it has happened to me. I had one girl about when i was 28 who did fall in love with me and we were true soal mates. but because we were friends- she moved in with a new boyfriend. he beat her- I had to rescue her from Va. in the middle of the night. Had i been a true man - I should have put my foot down and married her. Insted i was Mr niceguy. and let her do what she wanted. And most of all -DONT EVER SAY YOU DONT THINK ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH THOSE SO CALLED FRIENDS. So the minute you think of sex with them -thier not friends- thier lovers. and again for the millionth time- Don't go on a date and annouce that you want to be freinds. She should just be honest and say- your not my type. then go your way.

stitchimage

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Msg: 76 (view)

confused Posted: 1/22/2006 9:35:39 PM
mr playful- i guess you havent read this whole forum. and you are one sick puppy. I am not retyping this all over so go back to page one and read ALL the threds and what i said. What were all talking about is Women using men- wanting thier cake and eat it too , by saying lets be friends in a DATING situation. and ripping us off emotionally and financially. And lately it seems really horrible. you take a daye to dinner and a nite out and at the door saying goodnight , only wanting a kiss - she announces - lets be friends. insted of saying real early that your not her type. Now was/is that fair to you or morally right. And if you read the ads out here we men are the liars and jerks. We men are the jerks- It can never be the women - oh no!!. and not all women are this way- but im willing to go out on a limb here (as usual) that 80 % of all women do this now. So ladies get out the frying pan , cause i know you wanna fry my butt in it

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Msg: 69 (view)

wisdom among the mass 's Posted: 1/18/2006 9:05:03 AM
very true carribianking. But what if your other head has something else in mind. reason and logic go out the window. I am watching a friend now dating someone from here. and all reson and logic has gone out the door. She thretened to have his kid taken away because He did not live up to her critera if being a parent. But he is still going to date her and let her get close to his daughter. So tell me again there is common sense in dating. Thus when they say lets be friends and little head says why not "maybe things will change".

stitchimage

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Msg: 66 (view)

way to go tonyfl Posted: 1/15/2006 7:13:35 PM
i see im not the only one who say that movie. Mark he typed the whole monolog/script from harry met sally. Thanx tony. Mark go watch the movie after this thred you will crack up. and folks , yes i understand the one night stand concept. But after exploring every crevice of her. to tell me she did not know me enough -is ludicris. what cahps my ass is women are always on us men for honesty. read the ads here. When they are the least honest of them all. (generalizing) We are the dogs, we are the snakes. a bunch of lieing sex crazed basta**ds. I'd match another mans honesty to any women's BS and head games.Comomanlity and same interests are a must. But on my first date with a women a kiss is preferavble to a handshake. I have enough friends- i go out on DATES with women in hopes of finding a mate. Not a friend. Go ahead make the investment of money time and effort , hopes and feelings into a girl that just wants to be friends. I guarentee you will feel like a giant simeon- a chump. The women that said to me "Your not my type . I became freinds with later.I respected her honesty and integraty , insted of trying to string me on. Women are like us men in some ways that they "want to keep their options open" in the meantime we , us get hurt. and admittatly this come from being open minded to womens needs and respect.Not anymore I grew up. Now i just tell it like it is. I went on a date last year and the women started to say lets be friends , after the drinks. And I said no problem. when the waiter showed up. she asked what i wanted to order and i toold the waiter "The check". She stormed out of there. Then i ordered.Had a wonderful meal with a smile.

stitchimage

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Msg: 37 (view)

See My thred-Freinds hetrosexual Posted: 1/11/2006 8:24:35 PM
our thred seems to cover alot of this too. Look it up.

stitchimage

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Msg: 58 (view)

A BIG THANK YOU Posted: 1/11/2006 8:20:06 PM
I wanted to acknowledge Bestguy and montreal guy for thier invaluable help here. Yes this is great thred I hope will keep going. It is a HOT subject. And a big thank you to all opossing views. I , we want to hear them all. Thats what makes us civilized and mature. Please folks no quips, cheap shots at the authors. Like me , I can tell they are writing from thier heart and experiances. So please keep the cheap quips to another forum. your opinion is more important , don't cheapen or disqualifying yourself. I have valued every opinion here , although i may not agree , i read each one. i hope to educate both sexes here. That this practice must stop. start off as freinds great, have sex with them great. Dont try starting a realtionship with them. A small percentage might. but that is NOT the rule.

stitchimage

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Msg: 57 (view)

MARK Posted: 1/11/2006 7:54:04 PM
See bro your living in it right now. in the thick of it as we say. Now your a younger generaton but this crap has been passed down as "rule of thumb" when it wasnt in the 70's. I agree 100% with bestguy - if they pull that crap RUN as fast as you can. if other parts tell u otherwise. Still run. Find the romance first. it will take som sifting thru. but hey thats what this place is great for. Dont let the shebe's , maybe's and could have beens get u down. Pass over them. Hey there's "Plenty of Fish "

stitchimage

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Msg: 56 (view)

MARK Posted: 1/11/2006 7:50:46 PM
See bro your living in it right now. in the thick of it as we say. Now your a younger generaton but this crap has been passed down as "rule of thumb" when it wasnt in the 70's. I agree 100% with bestguy - if they pull that crap RUN as fast as you can. if other parts tell u otherwise. Still run. Find the romance first. it will take som sifting thru. but hey thats what this place is great for. Dont let the shebe's , maybe's and could have beens get u down. Pass over them.

stitchimage

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Msg: 55 (view)

Here's one for the books !! Posted: 1/11/2006 7:43:37 PM
1989 im 26 , think. I meet this girl thru matchmaker international (a dating service ) i worked there and was a member. I scheduled a date with one of my clients that hit it off with me for New Years eve. We go out and party till 2:00. Haveing a fantastic time dancing, parting at a club. We get to my place and WE start ripping clothes off for the wildest passionate , jungle sex thier is. We went non stop until 7:00 when dawn arrived. We passed out from exahustion intertwined.She admitted the sex was fantastic. The next day we woke up went to brunch and i took her home. Now about 2 hours later the ole**starts throbbing for her again. I called her up and offered a weekend (which was right then) in the pocono's in champange bubblebath jaquizzi for a weekend of pampering and wild sex. Her answer : Well i dont know you very well enough ! besides were only friends. Hows that for a swift kick to the balls.Thats not what she was yelling the night before and everytime i was falling asleep hopped on top again. And sober by then too. how well did she have to know me - an XRAY. So folks this is one of the many stories , i have about this subject. what wa my problem u ask. - I WAS A NICE GUY AND A GENTLEMAN. As soon as i became hardened and indifferant , I could not make the women go away. So ladies if you say i want a nice guy- BULLs*. OR where are all the nice guys. YOU ATE THEM FOR BREAKFAST And SPIT THEM OUT , THEN DATED SOMEONE ELSE.

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Msg: 53 (view)

BURN BABY BURN- I Have a hotseat next to me !!! Posted: 1/11/2006 7:09:35 PM
Right on bestguy. And folks if i were a pro writer i would be writing for DR RUTH. Thorp loved ya bud , but your way off base. And i can see your older and of a differant generation. As i have said this crap started in the 80's. Now my Buddy and neighbor just met someone here at POF. She is very attractive , nice and corduial. And she stayed with him the first time ( her choice ) WHY YOU ASK - they were attracted to one another. And you would think they were the bestest of friends for a lifetime. Now Im sure if she announced they wanted to be friends first - Poof Not happing. He and she gave of thier all- themselves totallly. And wala' relationship. Now i know I take the hotseat here alot and now bestguy , montreal too. But people, its one of these things you had to live thru. Im sure best got his feelings hirt somewhere among all that mess. But it was a mess she created and used manipulation. I have spent 50 bucks or more on a dinner to be told AFTER dinner that she wanted to be friends. couldn't she announced that at Hor'derves. No she took it to the limit and down right used and abused me as a gentleman. And some arent listening- YOU CAN HAVE FEMALE FRIENDS- But dont ever try to mix romance, relationship into it. Sex buddies is cool too (hetro). But the minute you get serious- "WERE FRIENDS". I hope there is enough typo's and mispellllls here to pick apart. you try writing passionatly , emotionally about a subject that women don't want made public. And that every man must have gone thru in thier life. And it must stop. Just simply say (one did this) your not my type. I respected her more than any other women to date.

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Msg: 1 (view)

Pictures Here Posted: 1/10/2006 5:16:30 AM
What is with some pics here. This is a dateing site. I see a picture of a dog-im not gonna want to dat that person. Are they ashamed of thier looks. One lady here has a picture of a barbie and a fish with huge teeth. Guess what my first imrpression was. And face it aren't we trying to make first impressions. Nonpics-shold be outlawed here. Its shows some are starting off with games. Do you really want to date a goldfish. I'd rather see no pic than c3po. and note i have neen guilty of this on other services. But that starts the process back 5 steps when meeting. and if they cant show pic are they married and hiding. what your opinion , I'd like to know. And keep it nice and polite and civil. this is a discussion , not a froum to attack me or other idividuals. this is for intellectual opinons.

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Msg: 64 (view)

hugging after sex Posted: 1/10/2006 5:02:18 AM
its also a need to be hugged beacuse of a lack of being hugged , held as a child (fruad)

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Msg: 39 (view)

way to go tavasty and best guy Posted: 1/10/2006 4:54:16 AM
Sometimes women are so full of it. Again men mars ,women venus. We have established that freindship will devolop after the relationship. BUT YOU CANNOT START AS FRIENDS. its a manipulation. like some said here , well if it doesnt work out we can be friends , if it does (she) says i'll take it further. Well thats wanting your cake and eating it too. Its Pure Manipualtion at best by women. men dont do that as a rule. And the femanists are the first to critisize men for being liars. Wake up Ladies "YOU DO IT TOO." And the thred here- what about the poor smuck thats your friend watching you date other guys- I'll be damned that he isnt offended after a date with you , and you told him lets be friends and you tell him about your dates or other guys. He doesnt want to be alone so he hangs with you. i know , I"ve done it. Now if you all met under the "FLAG" freindship fine. No problem. But no matter what he has thout about sex with you. To bestguy- hey thanks for helping here. i see you know this subject well like me. please continue to help out here. it seems we have experiance in this matter-unfortunatly. and its nice not to feel I'm alone in this subject. I have lost 2 great possible loves in my life to this freindship crap (in the 80's and 90's) and hope someday this FAD will fadeout and women wont use it anymore (or men).

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Msg: 31 (view)

Amen brother Posted: 1/8/2006 6:43:56 PM
Someone finally gets it (bestguy). seems you have had to live thru it to understand it. In my case i fell in love with 2 differnt women in my 20's who i had sex, relationship , lived with the whole smeal. BUT WE WERE FRIENDS , and according to them freinds dont get married or have a permant relationship- THIER RULES. ANd the shrihnk wonders why i dont trust women , lol. Its a total control- abusive situation delt out to you from day 1- like he said .....RUN..... and dont look back. the rest is all BU##SH##T. sorry for the sneeze. And here ie the kicker guys They dont want us to know it , cause its a way to control us men ! (and note I am paraphrashing some Bill Moyer)

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Msg: 30 (view)

lets be friends first-hetrosexual Posted: 1/8/2006 6:31:35 PM
Again no one is listening here- YES men and women can be friends first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But not go thru a dating service-looking for dates-date someone and announce lets be friends-its the kiss of death sendoff. Why doesn't anyone besides one other get that. Wake up guys and smell the roses- not in a dating enviroment/service. Outside sure men and women can be friends. and can have sex. i do it. but im not joining a dating service/site to find "date friends" cause if you looking for date friends your not looking for a real relationship. and relationships is what these services are about. And again i am not apologising that I'm a man and proud of it. maybe if men were a little less sensitive and stood up for ourselves we wouldn't be told we Have UG attitude. Its called balls guys. to stand up for what we believe in. AGAIN MEN CAN START IN A NON DATING ENVIORMENT AS FREINDS WITH WOMEN !!

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Msg: 40 (view)

Paid to get laid..... Posted: 1/8/2006 7:22:31 AM
having being an ex swinger- why get paid do it for free. may be the wildest funnest time of your life. Then you would earn the title Tri-sexaul. you would try anything sexual. lol We tend to get too hung up on sex and morality. If YOU feel comfortable doing it go for it. if you dont , dont ido it. its always up to individual. we used to meet couples and some went for it and some chickened out , but we then never forced anyone. anyway getting paid for sex is still illeagal. free is leagal. and if you get paid you may be asked to do something you may not like , beacuse your then an employee and feel your obligated to do it.if its free your maintain your rights. and maybe self respect.

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Msg: 56 (view)

hugging after sex Posted: 1/8/2006 7:13:52 AM
alas we men are bad about that- its the old slam bang thank you mame bad habit. it come from we men are ready for sex 30 mins before a women gets turned on (DR. RUTH) so when sex happens we are long done. We shouldnt be , we should hold and hug , its creates a stronger bond for love. but like me I usally all hot and spent and ready for rest. I do like to stay in her and cuddle till nature takes over and have to pee. but your right we men dont do it and we should.

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Msg: 22 (view)

reply to all here Posted: 1/8/2006 7:06:21 AM
again the ug attitude was to stimlate thought , but again you can't start a "romantic relationship with a freind. the mere word friend signafies a non relationship. Now a Special Freind is differant. thats samantics as i have run here. And ug yes I wont apolgise for being a man. I know that women won the revolotion and its now politally incorrect to exert manhood but we have testosterone/testicals and women dont. and no matter how polically incorect it is , I am a man and proud of it. And yes women we can be sensitive and your freind but no matter how you slice it =He has though about sex with you at least more than once (national statistic) and if he says no - he is a liar. just like you will say you never thought of sex with your favorite actor or hero. So to be UG again . freindship should mean non sexual in a non dating situation , totally platonic. A relationship will and should devolop into friendship as into it should be. or it wont work. and women should learn when and where to use the word. I have been with women, sleeping and dating them and they called me thier friend- WRONG. And it offends us men. That takes our dignaty away. and the only reason i ever ended in those situations is respect for women and believing like some here do. So beware the lets be freinds first , cuse if they were truley attrcated to you they wouldnt want to be friends. they would want more.

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Msg: 17 (view)

reply to all here Posted: 1/3/2006 9:46:26 AM
to : Summer teeth - congrats- its nice to see it work digsy-meeting in a dating service to become friends ?? biziedizie- havent met -reading ads here- isnt this a dating site ? bucsgirl- your right , but ug someone has to be the man.Its called testosterone. want to date treat a women as a women not a freind. Remember a thing called Romance. Jasmineka- some of us professionals still wear suits. ldygmr- great , but how did he feel waiting for you for 6 years.Im not saying friends cant have sex but the freindship always gets in the way of relationship. imhorney- sex buddies , as sex buddies are great if meqant to be that way-but that willnever be a relationship-permanant. titanium- HUH ??? redmama- thanks- But i have truley respected a women bett to say to me your not my type. than lets be friends. 0r as you said- "im not in the dating frame of mind" hotdealdave- thanks your right- but again im talking about meeting in or on a dating service. chicago- do you romance your friends ?? or does friendship devolps later ?? anncognito- wrong its called the holidays. im interested what others have to say here and appreciate intellagent answers. To all- thank you for your responses , im not trying to be ignorant-male chavenist. this doesnt apply to any live situation. I am seeking to understand and enlighten myself in this quandry. I have run into this since the 80's when all this started. I have worked as a dating counceler at MatchMaker int. And had alot of succesful matches. But this was always a burning question from the guys and myself , why join a dating service to become friends ?? It is a hurtful disappointment to men who wanted romance,when the women only really wanted friendship.

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Msg: 15 (view)

clarification Posted: 1/3/2006 9:11:40 AM
yes men and women can be friends in the platonic sense when they set out just to be that. but what i meant is that when looking at a dating service here or any other, you read ads "lets be friends." I thought this was a dating site ? well like another reply said "you cant become romantic after becoming friends". beacause if you do take it further its like sleeping with your brother or sister. So how can you date someone first and be "friends" its an oxymoron.(movie=When Harry met sally) its never the case because they never get over the slept with each other part. looks have nothing to do with it, the previous thred answered said looks. If you base a relationship on looks only it is doomed to fail-but that is another thred. i have met women and became friends with them , but it ended up hurting me because that was not the circumstances we met under. i am alone because i choose to be, flakey ex wife. And i truley belive that friendship devolops later after romance , especailly long term in years. But the romace, relationship must come first. One ad out here said kets be freinds my live at home wont mind. Yea right. Thats a murder waiting to happen. Men are territorial.And yes UG , i am a man. I am looking for relationship , real and romantic and permanant. Not maybe , kinda , lets get around to trying one. Women are to be treated like a women should be and romanced. Not hey u wanna share a beer buddy girl.Men are from mars , women from venus !!!

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Msg: 27 (view)

i LOVE you...or do I ?? Posted: 12/28/2005 2:10:25 PM
erma bomback- the grass is always greener on the other side. YEA -Crabgrass. this is human nature to want what we cannot have or believe unattainable. I still dream and think of the ones that got away for whatever reason. why ? becuse they are unattainable. Sometime wisdom will or must set in and say " Be glad your not alone and have someone to grow old with , no matter how flawed they are.

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Msg: 1 (view)

lets be friends first-hetrosexual Posted: 12/28/2005 2:02:37 PM
is the biggest crock of crap i have ever heard from women or men to women.Its more of a women to man thing I wish they would just im not interested. Men have no desire to be friends with women- face it were men. if we aint gonna get the grand prize, why bother unless your gay. I have had so many women say lets be friends and i fell for it. well we became friends and they dated other guys-mostly my freinds. then come back and complian " why cant they just be like you". Well hell they have a brain ! Duh and Im now insulted and the fool. face it guys/gals we have all been down this road before , we like that person so much that we would do any thing to be with them. Wrong , Wrong , Wrong. if they cant look at you like you want them to- Move on. It will never work-ever- no matter how much wishing or dremeing will ever make a differance. So beware the adds lets be friends here. its no wheresville. If that person doent want to date then go to the YWCA OR YMCA make friends there or in church (which happens to be the greatest place to meet dates and wild ones at that ) i just read an add here that stated come over and help me move furniture, wash car and basically be my slave and we can become friends because i have a big chest and can make men jump to my every whim. (note she is recently divorced). why cant women just get the idea !! we are men we are sexual in nature (testosterone) and thats all we ever will be. The male lion does not walk over to the feamle lion and say " hey baby lets be friends " no he breeds her.

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Msg: 115 (view)

Why do guys always do this to me? Does anyone else have this problem?... Posted: 12/28/2005 1:40:06 PM
more than likely you said something that scared him. (im a guy) or offended him. and he kept a stiff upper lip as we say and you wouldnt know you said or did something wrong. see when a guy hurts a women it comes out emotionall then and there. or if not really shows on her face. we men hide our emotions very well or very deep. and also what scares us men is the instant 6 pack of "i love you". that has a permanant connotation. I have dated women that had stars in thier eyes after our first sex. women that are alone for long period of times tend to want to fill the void as quick as possible if not bittered. review in your mind what was said. the i love you's is enough to send a guy across the galaxy if not ready.

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