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 Author Thread: do men like getting more then giving
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 13 (view)
 
do men like getting more then giving
Posted: 10/14/2009 7:07:09 PM
It completely depends on the guy.

I tend to date women who for whatever reason are not into getting and love giving.

I've pretty much been conditioned to be a head-o-holic. ;)

The point of my response, OP, is All Men Are Different!

These days if a girl is into getting, I figure that she and I are not compatible. It's one of the reasons I like to ask serious sexual questions before starting anything physical.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 164 (view)
 
Do some women like being sex slaves?
Posted: 10/14/2009 6:54:25 PM
^^^ I completely concur.

The people who have no idea what is being discussed or what they are talking about but still post are as lame as 70 year old women who dress like 16 year olds.

So once again - vanilla people - especially the hypersensitive, judgmental variety make me ill.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Love & Booty call
Posted: 10/14/2009 6:10:46 PM

You are 25 and deserve better than what you are expecting.


Utterly retarded.

Nobody -deserves- anything other than life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Plus, the OP said she is ok with how things are now... so why are you trying to push your own agenda on her?

Granted, I think the OP is a basketcase and probably not dating material.... but guess what? That's MY opinion, and not the opinion of every other man in the world. The guy she is seeing may think she is the Light made flesh.

Holy crap, people. Live and let live.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 162 (view)
 
Do some women like being sex slaves?
Posted: 10/14/2009 6:06:04 PM
I know a lot of girls who dress as Slave Leia in the metal bikini.

The vast majority of them like to be dominated. These are beautiful, intelligent girls with bikini bodies.



As for the close minded, offensive, judgmental people posting on this thread....

I just have one thing to say.

I hate vanilla people. They're the sheeple who are directly or indirectly the cause of everything that is wrong in the world right now.

Live and let live, folks. Sheesh.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Do romantic movies or TV shows affect your relationship?
Posted: 10/14/2009 5:17:32 PM
I actually just recently saw a study that women who watch more romantic comedies are less likely to have successful relationships.

There are several, but here is an example:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1868389,00.html


Last week, researchers at Heriot Watt University's Family and Personal Relationships Laboratory in Edinburgh, which studies best practices in relationship counseling, completed a study of 40 Hollywood romantic comedies released between 1995-2005. They found that problems typically reported by couples in relationship counseling at their counseling center reflect misconceptions about love and romance depicted in Hollywood films. (See TIME's Top 10 movies of the year.)

"Relationship counselors often face common misconceptions in their clients — that if your partner truly loves you they'd know what you need without you communicating it, that your soul mate is predestined. We did a rigorous content analysis of romantic comedies and found that the same issues were being portrayed in these films," the university's Dr Bjarne Holmes says.

The fact that Hollywood sells us an enhanced version of romance should come as no surprise, of course. But does that portrayal reflect a pre-existing expectation that film buffs hold or does it instill it? As part of their research, Dr Holmes' team had around 130 student volunteers watch the 2001 romantic comedy Serendipity, while another group of the same size watched a David Lynch drama. Viewers of the romantic comedy were found to be more likely to believe in fate and destiny. It was a small study confined to one region, but, Dr Holmes argues, "it does give us some indication of [the effects of romantic comedies]."

Mary-Lou Galician, Head of Media Analysis and Criticism at the Walter
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 87 (view)
 
Seriously Why would you give head on a first date then ignore calls the day after.
Posted: 10/14/2009 5:01:27 PM
^^^ I completely agree.

I honestly think a lot of the problems people have in relationships are the expectations they think they -should- have. These expectations come from outside sources.

Like... "everyone" just "knows" than you're supposed to do xyz....

I think that if people were just a little bit more introspective, braver, and willing to figure out just what makes both parties happy, there'd be a lot less relationship issues these days.

I believe that part of the problem is the information overload these days. 100 years ago, we didn't have romantic comedies and advice columns telling people what they should be doing or feeling. People figured it out for themselves.

It seems ironic that these days when people are even more varied, and there are more ways for a person to be unique and diversified, we get more standards and status quos for living and relationships.

It's really kind of a strange state of affairs.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 131 (view)
 
A real woman
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:54:25 PM
^^^ Dude, any physical requirement a person has cannot be shallow.

They're only called shallow by the people who don't measure up to their standards.

Get over it and stop b1tching about your height. Boo freakin' hoo.

Shallow is someone liking and being attracted to someon, but refusing to date them because they think it might bring down their social status.



Honestly, I am SHOCKED that I didn't get flamed 99 ways for saying on a previous page I have weight preferences for women.

So maybe people are coming around to the notion that preferences are preferences.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Seriously Why would you give head on a first date then ignore calls the day after.
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:42:15 PM
I posted:

"The vast majority of women I've dated didn't care for getting oral.
This whole "sex should be fair" thing going around POF is really starting to irritate me.
No wonder so many people are such terrible lovers."



maybe it's you who are is a terrible lover and THAT'S why the majority of women you dated didn't care for getting oral.....

just a thought


They told me this before we ever got physical.

Most of them liked to be spanked, liked anal, and had a fetish about giving oral too.

So if you're not into that, does that mean you've got rigity issues and you're a prude?

What an idiotic post.

When women on here say they don't like giving oral, that doesn't mean something is wrong with them. That is their preferences.

What I find most ironic and amusing is that the most sexually boring, vanilla people on POF seem to be the ones who are the most entrenched in this retarded fukcing idea that sex should be fair.

If "fair" is not satisfying one or both people, then "fair" is not the answer.

Am I getting through?

And be honest - how many cats do you have? I would be over 10.



ummm...maybe it's because you are no good at it. i've found that the vast majority of men don't have a clue when it comes to oral and most are just bad at it. you probably are one of them


If I give you a twinkie, will you go away and stop stalking my forum posts? Maybe a ho-ho?



Maybe her first date with you left a funny taste in her mouth (pun intended)!


There could be some truth to this. Guys...how many guy friends off the top of your head do you know who ended things with a girl because of how her vag smells? It happens all the time.


The vast majority of women I've dated didn't care for getting oral.


At last, a man that admits his shortcomings.

How is that HIS short coming? Because the women he dates don't like oral? It happens. They exist. I don't like oral. It has nothing to do with the guy giving it.


And, as usual, once a beautiful woman backs me up that no, I am not crazy, and yes, all women have different tastes, I stop getting attacked.

Freakin' classic.

I think that the replies to my post on why so many people are bad lovers speak for themselves. A lot of people assume that men and women all like the same thing, or that because they like something, someone else ought to as well.

Lame and boring.... at least in my opinion.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 58 (view)
 
The unoffical rules of dating a single mother.
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:38:33 PM

I don't understand why people do that...I will tell you right here that you are an idiot


I know fab-mom....

Which is why despite the fact that I loathe and despise almose everything about you, I have grudging respect for you.

I personally would rather be respected than liked, and I think the feeling is mutual.


Men shouldn't fear taking responsibility of someone elses child. It makes them a better person in my eyes.


In my eyes it makes them look like a chump.


If you love someone, you will do what you please for that person. It shouldn't matter if they have a child or not.


If that were true, there wouldn't be so many men who split if a woman gets pregnant and decides to have the baby.

Also, speaking for myself here, I can only love a girl I respect. I don't respect single mothers.

Sooo... not gonna happen.

;)

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 34 (view)
 
The unoffical rules of dating a single mother.
Posted: 10/14/2009 8:16:56 AM
I think it's funny when women send me hate mail on here and then block me.

./bravo

No wonder some guy thought you were good enough to bang and then didn't stick around to raise a kid.

I wouldn't want to raise half a person like that's DNA either. Maybe instead of blaming men for their stupid decisions, more women should be a bit more choosey about a man's DNA they choose to bind their own with, and they should, you know, have kids when they're married and financially stable.

Just a thought.

It's called taking responsibility for your actions. PS - women CAN and DO decide to end all emotional and financial obligation to a child. It's called adoption.

So why is it that men don't have the same right? Where is the equality in that?
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 252 (view)
 
How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 10/13/2009 6:20:39 PM
If I were dating a girl who told me she had this fantasy...

I'd probably dump her. On the spot.

Actually I'd think about it for a few minutes and then dump her.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 229 (view)
 
Best question ever asked.
Posted: 10/13/2009 6:04:39 PM
Certainly are what? ::confused::

You're not English, dear. You're not my target demographic, either. I don't date single mothers.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 71 (view)
 
Seriously Why would you give head on a first date then ignore calls the day after.
Posted: 10/13/2009 6:02:57 PM

I carefully reread your post, and you don't say that you reciprocated.

She did, you didn't, she's gone.


Are you psychic? Do you know the girl in question?

The vast majority of women I've dated didn't care for getting oral.

This whole "sex should be fair" thing going around POF is really starting to irritate me.

No wonder so many people are such terrible lovers.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 13 (view)
 
The unoffical rules of dating a single mother.
Posted: 10/13/2009 5:56:07 PM
^^^ What's ignorant is women who don't know how to use birth control, or decide to bring a new life into the world with less than optimal conditions when she has complete control over whether she gives birth or not.

It's not just ignorant, it'd disgusting.

Just my opinion, though. And opinions are like baby daddys. Everyone's got one.

;)
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 74 (view)
 
What is with the insults?!?!
Posted: 10/13/2009 1:58:03 PM

Majority of guys just wanna have sex and that's it. To date, most guys will choose between an 8-10, but for sex it can range all the way down to a 5. Guys get more angry when they get rejected by less attractive women.


I don't agree with this first part, but the rest is dead on.

What a lot of women don't realize is that if that some men who are looking for sex will look to girls they think are a "lower league" because the presumption is that it'll be easier.

To be rejected that by these girls that the man thinks are beneath him, does not say good things about him... does it?



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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 6 (view)
 
The unoffical rules of dating a single mother.
Posted: 10/13/2009 1:55:39 PM
OP

If you've got options, I would just not date single mothers.

It's really not worth it for multiple reasons.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Men's thinking about sex, money and relationships???
Posted: 10/13/2009 1:22:32 PM
I think that the OP has some serious rigidity issues and is just venting about it.


That said, I think this thread is a great indicator of why so many American men are starting to look at pursuing foreign women.

The OP's ignorant disdain of foreign women and her views on all relationships being this... cause and effect web of interlocking obligations is really kind of making me ill.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 225 (view)
 
Best question ever asked.
Posted: 10/13/2009 7:30:39 AM
^^^ That means a lot. Thank you. :)

One of my best friends from high school actually did a lot of his film school related activities in Bellevue.

I grew up in Woodinville so I spent most of my time as a kid in Lynnwood and Seattle, WA.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 216 (view)
 
Best question ever asked.
Posted: 10/12/2009 2:42:02 PM
^^^ There are different forms of submissive.

I like strong, capable women. I do not like doormats.

It doesn't mean anything for a woman to be submissive if she has nothing to give or give up by trusting you as a man.

I don't know if that makes any sense, but it does in my head.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 62 (view)
 
Dating a 27 yo girl for several months but she won't have sex
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:42:07 AM
^^^ I disagree. I think she is in the wrong for not communicating herself or where she is at.

But if she doesn't like to have sex or give oral, then she is NOT being selfish.

Not everyone likes to give oral - and not everyone likes to get it.

There are some women who honestly don't like getting oral. Are they being selfish if they don't let a man do it? H3LL NO!

Argg! SEX IS NOT ABOUT WHAT's FAIR. IT's ABOUT WHAT IS HOT

Try telling a dom woman that she's "selfish" if she doesn't let her sub husband spank her. They'll both look at you like you're crazy.

Once again OP - you and this girl are not on the same page. You need to have a talk about it, and if you don't like how it goes, leave.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 283 (view)
 
Does this change your mind about spanking your child?
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:33:25 AM
^^^ You are very, very lucky to have your daughter then.

If I ever have children, I sincerely hope to get agreeable little people who recognize logic and act sanely.

However, especially if I have biological children and did not adopt.... that would probably not happen.

Just remembering how all the little boys acted I grew up with makes me shudder. Especially in our very, very sue-happy society now, I really don't want to be saddled with a child who likes to destroy things and be a malicious little a-hole.

This is part of my reluctance to consider having children of my own. I really don't want to be the father of Denace the Menace.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Do most women find 18 to be too young?
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:29:21 AM
OP if you're good looking and fun to talk to, your age really doesn't matter all that much.

That said, most girls do like to date guys at least a bit older than they are. Just like the vast majority of men like younger women.


Don't mess with 16, it's usually illegal and dads don't like 18y/o Johnny banging his "innocent" daughter who probably was wearing a dominatrix outfit and practically raping YOU!, lol


16 is the age of consent in most states. What that means tends to vary from state to state as well as the age. For instance, in Mississippi last I checked, the age of sexual consent was 15 unless the child in question was not a virgin in which case it was 13. ::confused:: I know it makes no sense.

Anyway, at 18, the OP is young enough that for 16 and up, in most states he would not be committing a crime.

Additionally, statutory rape laws are only relevant if there is sex going on. If the OP dated a girl and didn't have sex, it would not be an issue.

Crazy fathers exist for every age of girl. ::shudder::

Anyway OP, my suggestion is to be as productive as possible and learn who you are as a person. If you do that, you will not have to look anymore. They will find you.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 281 (view)
 
Does this change your mind about spanking your child?
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:22:38 AM
^^^ Talking at me when I was a kid was completely pointless. It's why I didn't respect my teachers and I didn't respect my mom after I got big enough that she could not hurt me anymore.

All children are totally different. Some can be taught by talking and logic.

Some like to kill things and set fire to things, and generally be disagreeable little a-holes like my brother and all of my little friends growing up.

Words fall on deaf ears unless it's backed up by force with those kids.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 60 (view)
 
Dating a 27 yo girl for several months but she won't have sex
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:18:55 AM

The op is young and as a Tipical male that's still growing pubic hair on his testicles,
is still dazed and confused why he's still playing with himself Solo, after a few
months of dating this woman.

Move on and better luck next time, as a Male rule of thumb if after one month she's
not giving any sex, to much insecurities, issue and drama.

time to move on to more willing pastures.


I actually completely agree with this.

And OP, she is not being "selfish" by not reciprocating. You don't do sexual things to get things back.

Sex is not about fair. It's about what's hot. Your gf is not hot for you or sex in general. If you need more than you are getting, move on.

It will probably never really get better.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 279 (view)
 
Does this change your mind about spanking your child?
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:15:25 AM
You know, something just occurred to me.

I guess I should not find it surprising that so many people find spanking to be so terrible..... in the single parent forum!

I am curious as to whether or not the ratio of people for and against would be different if this were posted in a different forum.

You know, it's one of the more common stereotypes about single mothers that they tend to be far too lenient on their kids and act as a "friend" rather than a "parent". I think their could be some truth to this. I am single now and my dog is my buddy. In the absense of a relationship, I could definitely see a lonely mother treating her child differently than she would if she were married with another adult to talk to in the home.

Just a thought. Don't crucify me for it.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Her busy Schedule
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:03:05 AM

It's a hard call for some..many have no choice but to work extra to be able to put their kids in sports etc (which is also as important as paying bills and keeping a good home). Being a good parent takes up time and is always going to a first priority.


All true, and just the tip of the iceburg on why I don't date single mothers.

This issue is applicable to me in regards to girls in grad school. I like really intelligent girls... and many of them seem to be constantly furthering their education. This is awesome... but if they have a job or two on top of that, it tends to equate to a lot less free time.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 245 (view)
 
Why are the young people on here?
Posted: 10/12/2009 7:51:32 AM

^ I don't know why, but in your main picture you look like Hoyt from "True Blood". I think it's just me though LOL


Lol... that's a new one.

When I was younger, buffer, and better looking, people always used to tell me I looked like David Boreanaz.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 119 (view)
 
Is it ever okay to resort to violence?
Posted: 10/12/2009 7:42:48 AM

NO. If a lady attacks me, she gets whatever a man would get. Generally, raising a hand to anyone for any non-defense reason is completely abominably forbidden. Society would crumble if we returned to being savages like that!


That's easy to say....

But if I had hit my x back, it probably would have killed her. Plus, for people who are not wired to hurt a loved one, fighting back is not always an option.

I know for me it wasn't.

I saw her punches coming. I could have broken her wrist before she even knew what was happening.

Would that solve anything? No.

I could have left her right then.... but that's easier said than done in the first place. More importantly, I'm x military and I was raised very macho, so admitting that my wife was battering me was not exactly something I could do right away. In fact, it was only after my divorce that I got the clarity to call a spade a spade.

The damage was done as soon as somone I loved tried to hurt me - even if she really couldn't.

Intent is everything.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 213 (view)
 
Best question ever asked.
Posted: 10/12/2009 7:30:22 AM
^^^ ::eye roll:: Was this supposed to be witty or something?

It didn't even make any sense.




Not trying to burst your bubble here but my brothers have or are in the military, plenty of my friends are former military and I work in an area where most of my co-workers were in the military, all different branches, and not one has ever mentioned anything about Canadian women. Asian women, yes. South American women, hell yes (Even I will agree to that one) But Canadian women...nope. Not once has that ever come up in conversation."

Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but I have been in the military 22 years and have worked and trained with all kinds of different military's from all different countries and unlike you who are talking to former military personnel I've had the opportunity to see how Americans love us. OP considering the U.S. military is 1,4 million and you have friends and family in the military, it's obvious we aren't talking to the same people. Some of my closest friends are in the U.S. Army and have told me that they love Canadian and Australian women. Maybe it's because we have a thing for Americans too


I am not sure if you are talking to me here or not. I think you are, but by mistake. I did not say what you are responding to.

I have gotten quite an appreciation for Canadian women over the last year. I like the accent too. :) I find Northern accents appealing.

I've always liked Australian women. Unfortunately, I've never been anywhere to meet many of them; just ski resorts.




Women throughout the country are pretty much the same.


I completely and totally disagree. You should come to where I've been living for the last year. The obesity rate here is the second highest in the nation, literally 80% of the people I go to school with smoke, and almost nobody knows how to write worth beans around here.

Also, the job market is terrible, and people speak with a hick accent that is like nails on a chalkboard to my ears. /wrists




You might find more stuck up types in the more expensive places to live because when your not considered in thier social class people can be real snobs


I am not considered out of anyone's social class - this is not applicable to me. In fact, where I live it's exactly the opposite. Additionally, I grew up around really attractive women. Where I live is full to the brim of very so-so dowdy women who don't exercise and like to pop out kids before 25 years old.

Before my x went crazy, she and I used to call the South Point, OH Walmart the "mutant walmart" due to the high number of people shopping there who looked like extras from "The Hills Have Eyes."




I personally would like to try someplace outside this country


I've been seriously considering this. I think that just about all US men who have been exposed to women of other countries think that US women are pretty much inferior.

It seems really difficult to find a US girl without an entitlement complex. That's why it always seems that the same women are in the most demand in the US regardless of how they look.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 72 (view)
 
A real woman
Posted: 10/11/2009 10:18:54 AM
Lint Spitter... I <3 you. Seriously.

It's very rare on these forums that anyone gives a man the benefit of the doubt in regards to his preferences - especially concerning the physical. What makes this so ironic is that preferences are really not arguable things.

Anyway, just to clarify, the 125 lb thing was specifically meant for women 5' to 5'5" or so as just an ideal. My x wife was 5' tall and weighed 135. She also wore a size 5 in jeans.. and was a 34DD. I realize that all women carry their weight differently.

Every one of my friends in my pic where I am dressed up and drunk in Atlanta were between 100 lbs and 125 lbs. or so.

I am 5'7". I have dated girls up to 5'11", but I seem to most commonly date girls from 5'2" to 5'7" or so. Girls around my dating range (as an average) are at a healthy bmi at around (you guessed it) 125 or so.

OP, I am really not trying to derail your thread with all of this weight talk. I know that there is no other topic on POF that is more prone to create flame wars.

I just wanted to clarify, and say for the record that a "real woman" does not verbally crucify a man for being attracted to women who are not in her demographic.

Just like a "real man" does not send nasty emails to women on here who send a polite rejection letter in response to their email, and then turn around and complain how women don't email back on POF.



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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 2623 (view)
 
do men actually exist that date women with kids??
Posted: 10/11/2009 6:31:15 AM
^^^ I don't use a spell checker. I just type out my responses on POF... and I type 90 wpm. I don't have -too- much time to waste on this site! lol

Which is why I know that you used the wrong version of "too."

You cleaned up your typing very nicely, so thank you.

However, you backtracked. Originally you basically called me out as being a judgmental crazy person - and now you are just saying I am someone with a different opinion. So.... which is it?

Also, the reason I have such a low opinion of single mothers (not the previously married variety) is that I think it's incredibly selfish to bring another human being into the world without two parents.

If people really "wuved" their kids as much as they claimed to, they would want the best opportunities in life for them.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Happy to be out of a bad relationship.
Posted: 10/11/2009 5:03:55 AM
Tell me what you don't agree with....


My answer kind of goes with the above post as well.

I don't think that our actions that devalue ourselves, or put us in a bad situation exonerate other people for acting terribly.

This is kind of an extreme example, but it's like a girl who gets raped after she goes alone to a frat party, with a frat that has a terrible reputation, is one of the only girls there, and drinks anything that is handed to her.

Did she act like a re-re? Yes. Did she make bad decisions? Yes. Does that mean that she "deserved" the rape, or that the rape is any less disgusting and horrible? H3LL no!

Plus, the OP has admitted that he partially pushed himself into the situation.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that screwed up relationships are rarely 50/50. Usually one person really is the cause of most of the issues. Not 100%.. but definitely most. So I do believe that the proper response to the OP is one of empathy.

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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Is it ever okay to resort to violence?
Posted: 10/11/2009 4:44:43 AM
Hmmm.

I've been doing martial arts for 14 years... and I have done some things with some UFC fighters.

I can hold my own.

That said, I think fist fighting is for if you run out of bullets, and after your knife breaks.

As for domestic violence, it's really easy for all of us on here to wave our internet wand and make proclamations about it.... in reality it's harder.

My x wife hit me. We'd been together for over 3 years at that point... and I loved her.

She was 5' tall. She could not realistically hurt me, and even though she knew what a dangerous man I was, she also knew I would never hit her back.

I stayed with her. She eventually went totally crazy and left me.... and I wish that I had the clarity of mind back then that I do now.

Even though she could not hurt me physically, someone I loved hitting me like that was one of the most emotionally damaging things I have ever gone through.

I guess the point I am making is this. All of this advice we give on here is completely pointless. Until/unless someone goes through certain situations themselves, I don't think they will be able to see it objectively or have clear limits yet.

Those we love can really hurt us with our own love. I don't think that someone who has not been through it can understand, or understand how it's ourselves who allows the situation to continue... not the agressor.

Just some thoughts.

-8sf8

PS - it took me a long time to admit that my x was physically abusive after my marriage ended. Guys are really not wired to think that way, and we're wired to ignore physical pain and emotional trauma.

Statistics say domestic violence is 50/50 male and female. Knowing how men are conditioned to not say anything, or pay it no mind... I wonder how accurate that truly is.

A woman does not have to actually physically hurt a man to hurt him. Intent cuts sharper than a knife.

PPS:


Rock hunter.......if you don't like what someone is saying, learn to deal with it or get out of there. That's all there is. Whether you are a man or a woman, adult or child...never, ever resort to physical violence in retaliation to the spoken word. No matter how much malicious and intentional verbal provocation, you get out of there.

To say that men, generally speaking, learn to not provoke people by what they say because they're likely to be punched for it, is absolute BS in my opinion. I don't see men being more restrained about what they say so as not to provoke a physical fight than women. I've worked and studied with all men, and all women, and a mix, and I don't see it. To think that men/boys loose face and are mummy's boys if they don't hit out over something nasty that's said to them is prehistoric in my view, but if you feel this way then that's your issue


Real men don't start fights - we finish them. However, anyone who says words don't hurt and can't carry the weight of blows is friggin' lying or delusional.

I would say that you don't really understand the male world. I understand exactly where Rock is coming from. I don't think I've ever hit anyone over words.... but I know that just because I am that way does not mean other men are. And if I were being verbally antagonistic, if a man took a swing at me, I would be partly to blam. In fact, I think the courts see it that way as well.

I honestly believe that some people need to be socked in the mouth. I can't stand people who think they're invulnerable - like minors who destroy people's houses because they know they can't really get in trouble for it.

Sometimes some gas bag who would never throw a punch, but is a despicable human being and hurts people with words all the time... really needs a black eye or a split lip.

::Feral grin:: There are some nasty people out there with no morals or conscience. That's why there are nasty, honorable people like me to create balance.
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Happy to be out of a bad relationship.
Posted: 10/11/2009 4:29:36 AM
^^^ I don't really agree with AA here.... but I am her biggest fanboi and I wanted to post close to her.

Wacka wacka wacka!

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 2621 (view)
 
do men actually exist that date women with kids??
Posted: 10/11/2009 4:23:18 AM
^^^ If you are going to respond so often, could you please type a little bit more legibly and make your points easier to read?

Reading your posts is hurting my eyes. I'm really not trying to be insulting here - I am entirely serious.

That said...... I feel like you're deliberately missing my point.

Aside from all the social ramnifications of single parenthood and why I think it's so incredibly selfish and fukcing up the world....

From a purely logical standpoint, dating a single parent is harder than dating someone who does not have children.

We always say there are plenty of fish in the sea. That is true. So why would young-ish men with a lot going for them (like myself) not pass on a woman with so much expensive, uncomfortable baggage like children?

You HAVE to see my point here. It doesn't mean that single mothers are bad people, or that all single moms make bad parents, it's just a simple, logical choice.

I don't want to raise another man's kids. What part of that do you not understand? Even if you discipline them like you say, even if I never have to spend a single penny on your kids, I would still have to eventually interract with them. I would not want to do that. I am not their father. I don't care about their welfare... and hearing you talk about your kids on dates would be a HUGE turnoff.

Like I said before - even if you don't agree with me, or think I'm a d1ck, you have to get the logic of what I am saying here.



1... Last time I looked, being a single father doesn't leave you with stretchmarks, a belly 'pouch', bladder incontinence, droopy breasts and a loose penis....
2... Men are not geared to raising our rivals DNA. Hell, in the wild, many males will kill the offspring of a rival male... Be glad humans are not quite that cold blooded.
3... In instances of divorce, separation etc....Single moms often get the kids by default. A single Dad had to prove he was the better parent to get the kid... therfore worthy of praise... (as is a single mom if she proved she was the better parent)
4... Very few single dads get welfare. If a single mom goes on welfare it's not a big deal. If a single dad goes on welfare, the system takes their kid away and gives it to the mother... no double standard there....


The first one is friggin hilarious! And all the points here have a lot of truth.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 21 (view)
 
War of the Sexes: Could this exist without women's participation?
Posted: 10/11/2009 4:11:13 AM
Thank you. I am going to take that as a compliment.

The last bit of my post I think rather nicely sums up why so many people are going to have such disparate views on this subject.

Human beings have a tendency to view the world through a lense called, "myself."

As such, we color the actions of others with motivations that we ourselves undersand and relate to. I am of the opinion that men who say, "ALL men are cheaters," are cheaters themselves. Not only do they color other men the same way as they seem themselves due to familiarity reasons, but it could be part of a rationalization system on their part too.

I am guilty of this as well. I think we all are.

The mark of wisdom is allowing oneself to dissasociate from their own feelings, emotions, and moral baggage in order to view ideas and the world around us objectively.

So you have to figure - on a dating site where so many people could be constantly lonely, or frustrated, or angry, or any combinations of negative emotions, this could be why it is that so much advice posted is of the negative variety.

Just a thought... and I think I may have outed myself as being something other than just a narcissistic (although very witty) tool of written destruction.

Damn. Now people know I have a soul.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 241 (view)
 
Why are the young people on here?
Posted: 10/11/2009 3:55:20 AM
^^^ Geeky girls are teh hawtnezz.

I just thought I'd throw that out there.

lol ;)
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Why wont they swallow?
Posted: 10/11/2009 3:51:34 AM

Kidding aside if you swallow, then he should also.


Ummm... why? Sex is not about what is fair. It's about what is hot and what both people are into.

Any time someone starts talking about how sex should be about fair, I almost always assume that

A. They are really vanilla.

B. They don't date the same kind of women that I do... like, at all.

To answer the OP's questions - maybe they just don't want to, or don't like the idea of it.

There are plenty of women who don't swallow. Everyone is different - and everyone's preferences are different.

One just has to find someone who is on the same page as you are.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 33 (view)
 
This is not a library. It's a bookstore.
Posted: 10/11/2009 3:48:37 AM

Sorry, but that's a whopper of a non sequitur... The more women who aren't interested in you because you don't have a pickup, or because you're not tall enough, or whatever the reason is to exclude you, the fewer women are left in your hypothetical second group of "really is interested". It's by no means clear after all the criteria are added up that there will be even one book left which you want to read and which wants you to read it.
Thus you have lower odds of "finding someone better" everytime someone voices a preference, regardless of what it is. This is why it irks so many whenever anybody does so.
Of course it helps to be oblivious about these fundamental dynamics, to soldier on with the belief that victory will be achieved one day.


As cynical as this is, it is a very good, and very valid point.

I am constantly baffled by people who say that if someone is not interested in them, that they are somehow inferior to someone who would be interested in them.

That seems to be totally illogical if the person in question has very, very little dating collateral and only attracts someone once in a blue moon.

"Beggars can't be choosers."

I just wish that people in the forums here would be honest with others, and not make everything so PC all of the time. Encouraging others to revel in mediocrity and never get on a life-long path of self improvement just seems to be very cruel to me.
-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 55 (view)
 
A real woman
Posted: 10/11/2009 3:37:16 AM
{"Well, from what I have come to understand, here is the recipe...
1- Become anorexic.
2- Get a boob job...
3- Get a facelift.
4- Blow up your lips with botox.
5- Get the fat sucked out of your thighs and ass.
6- Make sure you are seen and NEVER EVER heard...
I am sure I missed something... but feel free to add on to the list! "}

Ooooor.... she could just, you know, have a good personality without an entitlement complex.
Not eating too much and exercising regularly would be a great bonus.


7. A frontal labotomy so you dont have opinions of your own and obey all rules.

I like my girls with a bit of spunk... and there's nothing wrong with being pleasant. A b1tchy woman makes a relationship one big, long battle. No thanks.


8. Have no kids so you can Fvck spontaneously.

Yup... and, you know, so we don't ever have to raise another man's spawn. Or go everywhere in the mommy wagon and feed 4 instead of 2 at dinner.
Just some thoughts. :)


A real woman understands there are things that men are just better at doing and she appreciates those skills.
A real woman takes the time and care to primp and pamper herself, with scents in the right places to entice her man.
A real woman takes the time to show her man that he's loved, cherished and appreciated for being a man.
A real woman is not afraid to be barefoot and in the kitchen making a good meal for her man/family.
A real woman doesn't think of herself as better or worse than men, just different, and she appreciates those differences.
A real woman can get the job done, but prefers to massage the shoulders of the man that actually does the job.


"No, that's a "real" satellite. "

Ummm... nasty labels like "satellite" or "old fashioned" with a sneer are part of why so many women are unappealing to me.

Believe it or not, a LOT of women really enjoy taking on a role like this, and guess what... statistically they tend to be happier and maintain longer and more solid relationships.

I wonder why?

Sorry I don't have the statistics on hand, but if you want, you can google it.


When I say "real woman" (as opposed to a fake one) I mean:

1. She goes without makeup more often than with makeup.
2. She farts (but is embarrassed by it, which is so adorable).
3. She refuses to put up with her man's sh!t, but has an endless capacity for forgiveness.
4. She has a little bit of junk in the trunk... and isn't self-concious about it.
5. She has strength of character and sense of responsibility.
6. Doesn't solve conflict by turning on the "frost machine".
7. Doesn't try to do a poor imitation of a man to get respect.


This sounds good too.

Although my definition of "junk in the trunk" is more like 125 lbs with a nice figure.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Meeting a girl for the first time in real life...
Posted: 10/10/2009 3:42:40 AM
^^^ This would -totally- not work for me or with the women I date.

It just goes to show that everyone is totally different.

I just go with a hug. It polite and nice, but it's safe. If things don't go well, it can be construed as just friendly, and if things go well, more physical contact can be initiated.

I have always been able to tell if a woman is interested in me, and a large part of that is the level of initiated physical contact.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Broken Up With For The Strangest Reasons
Posted: 10/10/2009 3:39:15 AM
OP....

We're all just strangers on the internet.

You said you have a mutual friend. If you are truly curious and she is really your friend, have her find out.

Just a thought.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 69 (view)
 
The end of this 'nice guy' epic
Posted: 10/10/2009 3:16:00 AM
I don't really understand the "nice guy" phenomena.

Personally, I think that women like to ::gasp:: be treated like people. "Nice guys" tend to treat them like they're some strange, exotic, alien life forms that can't be talked to in a normal way.

It's weird and creepy.

I'm a self proclaimed a-hole... because I don't treat women "well". I treat them like other people.

Some are stupid, some are smart. Some are sweet natured and some are scandalous b1tches.

Everyone should be taken on an individual basis (at least in my book) regardless of gender.

And strangely enough, girls tend to like me. Hmmm.

So no, girls don't like "nice guys" because in my experience, "nice guys" don't relate to women as real people, or at least not in the sense that a woman (or man) needs.

A friend.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 112 (view)
 
Men & woman of a certain size???
Posted: 10/10/2009 3:04:14 AM
^^^ I felt like this was a very sincere, sensitive, thoughtful post.

Thank you. It's difficult for me to be that nice. I like that someone made a logical post without being mean-spirited.


I got fat due to an unhappy marriage and working 90 hours a week running restaurants. I still am not where I want to be yet, but I am not fat anymore.


I am almost full blooded German and I love unhealthy foods. My body is very, very efficient at creating fat.

So.. in answer, I run almost every day. I make a conscious effort to get out of the house every day and do something. I walk down the street to the gas station - not drive. I don't drink soda or eat candy.

Nothing tastes as good as thin feels, and being healthy is worth fighting for.

We (arguably) only get one life. I for one do not want to live it as a fat person.

However, like I said, throwing hatred in written form at fat people is not going to solve any problems at all.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 207 (view)
 
Best question ever asked.
Posted: 10/10/2009 2:54:37 AM
^^^ It was kind of meant to be.

I know it's 9 pages, but if you read the whole thread, I changed my mind.

Additionally, this thread is months and months old.

I was at a completely different place in my life when I started it.

While I still greatly dislike where I live, it doesn't cause me physical pain due to the hatred I have for it anymore.

Also, I try not to post anymore after having been up for 2 days straight.... lol. You can kind of tell by my typos in some of the earlier posts that I was writing top-speed and rather manically.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 205 (view)
 
Best question ever asked.
Posted: 10/10/2009 2:07:59 AM

How dare you ask for "hot, fit, educated and submissive" women, how dareee ya!
Don't you know OBAWAOP will get your azz like in a nano second!

tsk tsk tsk...

AnyWayss, another vote for texas... hot sexy blondes with cowboy hats... hawwt!












OBAWAOP : Old Bitter & Angry Women Association of POF


This made me laugh out loud!

Better be careful though... the OBAWAOP now know you are on to them. You may have a visit from Men in Black any day now.


I don't care how many votes texas got in this thread...it sucks here, and we truly are not up to your standards...so one vote here for Mexico, pack your sh1t and be gone


Is this supposed to be clever?

About Canada

Through this thread, I have met a large number of Canadian women... many of who are incredible people. However, while the good ones are truly incredible, they're all taken.

Canadian women who are appealing to me seem to still be few enough that all the good ones are taken.

So far Texas is still winning hands-down as the place with the biggest surplus of desirable women, thereby creating a larger number of single ones.

But please, I am all ears if more people wish to chime in!
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 19 (view)
 
War of the Sexes: Could this exist without women's participation?
Posted: 10/10/2009 1:57:45 AM
I think that those of us guys who get a lot of female attention, and don't have trouble talking to women are the ones who make the best male friends.

It seems to me that the guys I've known in my life who can't be just friends with girls are the ones who are always scurrying around trying to get some tail and getting shot down.

They are just not used to being in the presence of attractive women.

I grew up around beautiful women, and most of my friends are. A pair of ta-tas is just not that big of a deal to me. Nudity doesn't freak me out or make me start drooling.

Men who are more laid back about dating and sex, I believe, are capable of having platonic female friends. Well, and obviously men who aren't trying to nail everything that walks.

Believe it or not, not all guys act like the dudes in teen movies.

Whenever I see a man say that men can't be "just friends" with girls, I just tend to assume that said guy is really not used to the company of women or he's not very picky.

It takes a lot for me to be interested in a girl. "Just friends" is pretty easy for me.

Just another opinion. I know I didn't really answer the question in the OP... but I thought it was kind of silly. Everyone is different. Asking for general "rules" in regards to gender or dating is always an exercise in futility.

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 2602 (view)
 
do men actually exist that date women with kids??
Posted: 10/10/2009 1:40:04 AM


8soldierfalcon8 I'm not saying that your not entitled to your opinon , however what i am saying is when you make a comment like this ' accepting consequences for bad decisions' its seems to be a tad harsh don't you think . Childern are what 'consequences ' lol well i heard people call them something but that !!! omg . Thank good ness NOT all men think like you .


True, not all men think like me.... but a lot do. The difference is, that I have the bawls to just say it and not tippy-toe around the issue.

I don't know your kids. I don't like your kids. If I were interested in you before I knew you had kids, it would be a deal breaker. Your kids are expensive, they are 50% of your x's DNA, and most importantly, they are not mine.

Your kids give you less free time, a more complicated life, and once again, they are not mine.

Your kids are your kids. Not mine.

Are you getting the trend here?


I'm really not trying to be offensive here. This is just logic. Plus, when dating a woman with children, for ever child she has, that is another compatibility issue. Caring for a woman, but not liking her kid will not work. If the kid doesn't like you, it will cause problems. You have to like the child too.

Dating is hard enough as it is without throwing another compatiblity issue or two into the equation. Much less having baby daddy drama.


You know reading most of this topic makes me laugh ........no really it does.... i mean most peopleo here over 40 have got childern , and in one way or another have become single does it really matter how or why , and we're here on a 'DATING' site i use that term loosey , because to be honest it just appears to be a place where people are just taking a cheap shot at one another for having childern ........Who are you people who assume that any single parent male or female is in fact not worth the time of day ???? ..............Does that also mean that divorced people are not worth anything either i mean come on they where married must be something wrong they an't no more are they , those whose are parents who's childern donot live wtih them are they worthless too??

If your still have Huge chip on your shoulder becasue of past relationships that have not worked what the hell are you doing on a dating site .......?

Heard the old saying ' Never judge a book by its cover'

People may of become single parents for a number of reasons .......they got married way to young .......they may of been in a voilent relationship , they could of simply not loved who they where with any more , the other person may of had an affair , the childern may have been at risk so they had to leave for the childerns sake ...the list is endless and YET supposedly GROWN UP people seem to be so narrow mind that they just think .........they are used up and way past there sell by date ....Get a grip and grow up reading most of the anti parent post on here i would of thought they where wrote by totally naive teenagers ............not by supposed Adults .

Chidern are a blessing no matter if there parents are together or not .

I'm so glad that there are people in this world who are not as narrow minded the bitter ones on here ...get at grip!


^^^ Your ranting and raving about this is not going to change the minds of the many, many men out there who don't want to raise another man's kid.

If you really want to know why we think the way we do, just read the last few pages of this thread, and look at what everyone has said objectively.

I don't care about your kids. I have never met them. I have not one shred of emotion for your children one way or another. If you can dissasociate yourself from your feelings for your children, and look at the issue through the eyes of someone who sees your kids as constant reminders of your x, and little people who are one half of his DNA....

.. and most of all, NOT OURS!

Then perhaps you can understand.

Even if I were over 40, and had my own kids, there is no way that I would want to date someone who had children of their own.

Why?

Because I don't want to raise another man's kids! Ever!~

I am not expecting you to be happy with our opinions on this, but at the very least you should understand where we are coming from and not be so angry.

It's just like someone with herpes getting all bent out of shape that some people will not date them. Some people will date a person with herpes, some won't.

Some people got herpes knowingly, and some people had it just happen to them.

Either way, it's baggage from a past relationship that some people will be ok with, and some are grossed out by.

Get it?

-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 109 (view)
 
Men & woman of a certain size???
Posted: 10/10/2009 1:30:03 AM
if you think i'm homely, then you seriously need to have your eyes examined. most find me quite beautiful.


In what dimension/reality?


oh and btw my whole profile is fake and i'm certainly NOT looking for a sweet man, actually i'm not looking for any man because i already have one.


What?!? That makes no sense. Are you crazy, or just a cheater?


oh and my post was NOT directed at you, it was directed at Division77 because he is a douchebag. and when i wear heals, i tower over someone who is only 5'7" and it looks very strange


Because you are shaped like a Mac truck. I dated a girl who was 5'11 before and wore heals, but she was very waif-like and beautiful so we made a cute couple.


oh and you broke the rules by insulting me so you will be reported.


Cute. You're a real piece of work. You were not even talking to me, but I decided to respond because I just can't stand your nasty attitude.

Of all the posters on this forum, you are perhaps the more inflammatory and trollish.

And sorry hun... I read the rules. You can't report me. Just nonsensically insult things on my profile.... however, I have never claimed that mine was "fake"... as you have. Which, by the way, I think is a violation of the terms of service. :)

--------------------------
On topic.... I think everyone should strive to feel good about themselves. However, feeling good about oneself when nothing has been done to be a better person, or healthier is not very logical. Anything of value is worth effort, and good things usually take hard work.

Taking pride in being overweight is like taking pride in being uneducated. It just doesn't make any sense. That said, there is really no reason to be hateful to fat people. It's not like it's going to accomplish anything other than make more angry words.

People will only lose weight once something inside them snaps, and they get the drive to be healthy themselves. It takes dedication, and it takes doing it for yourself - not for someone else or to be better looking.

People saying nasty things to fat people about their weight does not create skinny people.... just fat people with more issues than they already had.

So... stop the fat bashing.


-8sf8
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 238 (view)
 
Why are the young people on here?
Posted: 10/9/2009 7:29:40 PM
Well, these days I use the internet as just another avenue for meeting new people. I am a natural extrovert and I meet people everywhere I go.

However, I started getting online at about 20 or 21. I was freshly out of the Army, and I dated a few girls who turned out to be not what I wanted... like, at all.

I took out a 19 year old girl from UNCC in Charlotte, had about 4 dates so I spent a decent amount of time and money on her.... and then the sexuality questions came out.

She had slept with 40ish people.... at 19. That was a deal breaker for me.

I realized at that point that most people are just not as blunt and honest as me, and cannot handle serious questions right off the bat with people they meet in person. However, they can online.

So online I found a venue not only where it was a lot easier to tell how serious a person was about dating, but the amount of information that could be gleaned before spending a single dollar on actual dates was far superior to the conventional style of dating.

Approaching someone in person just because they're attractive... you know nothing about that person. If you ask for a phone number, and they turn out to be a crazy on the phone, that person still has your phone number!! I have known vindictive people of both genders to write numbers on bathroom stalls.

Every girl I have been serious with I have met online as opposed to in person. Why? Because I move a lot, basically. Without a friend base to introduce you to new people, or a lot of people to give input on someone new you meet, meeting in person seems to have higher odds of failure for me. Additionally, I like how online I can immediately know whether a girl can write decently, and if she is a mother or not.

I hate when I spend a few hours talking to a girl out on the town, and she turns out to be a single mom. It's extremely dissapointing.

So anyway... there you have it. Personally, when doing the online thing I prefer other social networking venues, but I think everything should be used as a tool. Dating sucks. Putting the maximum number of lines in the water helps bolster our success at it, though.

-8sf8
 
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