Just because you don't like grandmothers doesn't mean there's those who don't.

a functional society must practice it when ever it can to make that society a better place. Believing and convincing yourself about the need for "leagues" merely cements the pecking order and mentality of privilege that is killing our current societies.

don't find extremely thin men attractive. Many men prefer curves on a woman. We all have our preferences.

The concept of "Leagues" is created by people who feel the constant need to "validate" or "value-ate" them selves against other people in life.

It is a fool that practices the concept of Leagues, but a bigger fool that does not achnowledge that the weak in society think that way. One easy way to tell the herd from the free thinkers I suppose.

If she's got a hot face (not just 'oh, she's pretty...'), requiring no baggage in real life -- there's about a 99.9% chance she's not significantly overweight.

Do you think that happens often at this day and age? Back in the old days it was the case. These days, one pay check isn't enough for most families. Thats when childcare comes into it and that's why it's difficult to get your children in a place in childcare facilities. You are just about 60 years old, you are talking about your generation.

I think most women at this day and age would refuse to do a man's dishes or his house work because he believes its her traditional responsibility. On the other hand, these same women and many others expect a man to pay for dates because they think its a man's traditional responsibility. It wouldn't be considered a turn off if a woman showed an attitude against traditional responsibilities that favoured men but it's somehow a turn off if a man has an attitude towards traditional responsibilities that favour women. I wonder why?

ROFL so in other words I am emotionally unavailable and I have unresolved issues all because I want equal and fair treatment with women? Seriously, can it get any more simplistic than this?

Having a positive and open mind is believing in equality and fairness instead of expecting privileges. Expecting privileges is having a negative/sexist outlook in dating.

A very pretty face can't hardly ever be had unless she's got at least a close-to-average body.

So why does this "cultural norm" stay and the "cultural norms" that privilege men are forbidden? Why do women get to keep their traditional benefits while men have to give up theirs?

Why is it not acceptable for men to complain about paying for a date but it is acceptable for a woman to complain about men believing that they shouldn't pay for dates?

I actually have been through two of them, and we both survived intact. Got married, actually :)

why do women use the lame excuse of expressing that if the man does the asking out or makes the approach one way or the other, he has to pay for the date?

The Favs count has been removed from our profiles. Hallelujah. I thought it would never happen (miracles "do" occur...lol). It was by far the single, biggest irritation for many, so needed to go.

Wish they bring back "Last 5 forums posts", though. I never received even one complaint about it from anyone.

Zangie--Just as a practical matter...if we are talking distance..it would be foolish for a woman to travel a long distance for a first meet..safety issue?

I have traveled to meet men...and still would. But, as a woman, you have to be careful not to do it all, and give too much , and not expect anything in return...because then they don't think they need to?

Came to my house 2x. The last time he was there, he stayed for like 5 hours, yeah, we kissed but no sex. Now, I havent heard from him,

spicynicegirl--There is no point dropping your standards, whatever they may be.

When my parents first started dating, my mom was pretty and my dad was dorky.

I'm willing to bet that a few people told my dad that my mom was out of his league.

It's a good thing he didn't listen.

it happens...in my experience, the guys that press for exclusivity early on are the ones still looking.

If you mean you can't date two people on different days and give them your attention at that time, then it's no different than saying you can't have two friends in your life period because having more than one takes away from knowing the other.

oblivion77--Maybe because it's 'the thing to do'. The normal thing, the expected thing. Don't know what else to do? Lonely sometimes. Miss sex. It feels weird to think there's nobody who really cares about you. All of the above? Who knows?

ren, sometimes when the "rowing" gets tough, it's time to let the boat drift--in essence, letting go.

POF is for mainly people who want a chat friend or to play around on the forums. People do meet here and click but I think they are in the minority. I've noticed those who couple up tend to be living in large cities or willing to relocate.

3-4 to one guys is the norm. A lot higher in certain demographic groups.
For instance; men without children vs women without : About 8 to 1

I do know that when you're with the "right" person it should be easy.

--goodewitchbeth---Your standards are too high if you're a two and you're messaging tens.

actually i think pof is a great place to meet some really fantastic gals. i admit i am prejudiced because all my pof experiences have been good ones, but i cant say enough about the gals on pof

serenitycw---this is one things that, for me, seeks a path of least resistance and commands a gentle journey that winds through life as a creek winds through valleys amidst mountains and hills. for me, it's a very personal and intimate journey. i hope to share my path with another and be trusted with knowing his. the intertwining will be interesting and soothing and often exciting.

I pretty much agree with you as far as attraction goes. I'm a pretty instinctual person myself, and if I feel no attraction, I can't change that. Even a person's scent can determine if the match is successful. If you don't like someone's natural scent (at rest), that's not a good sign. I bet you already knew that. ;)

By shallow, I meant more like if a person MUST be a spot on measurement, a certain hair colour or you won't give them the time of day, etc.

are they based solely on shallow, physical things?

How do you describe the marying type when it comes to the opposite sex. I may like a guy and then I try to picture a future with him and I never can see that future quite wel enough because I don't know if he could hack it or not or if we would even last.

POF makes millions of dollars per year. There is no excuse for them not filtering the ads that come here.

Diamonddingleberry-- when are standards too high?

When you are consistently on at least one dating website with millions of members for more than 3 months and you've really never gone out with anyone more than twice.
Either your standards are too high, or you simply have chosen your career over your social life (because you don't have time to use the dating site or date).

"The bottom line is, females don't have anything to offer a man but SEX because he doesn't need anything else BEING STRONG AND SELF-SUFFICIENT, so whatever she offers other than sex (caringness, emotional connections, etc) is useless. She instinctively knows this and feels humiliated about it, so seeks to pretend she has something to offer, so if males don't see THAT, but instead get happiness from sex, voila, she's pissed.

I believe that is one of the real issues in your thread... people jumping their relationships towards living together prematurely, before they know each other really well.