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 Author Thread: KINGSTON and AREA Plenty of Fish CHRISTMAS DANCE.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 11 (view)
 
KINGSTON and AREA Plenty of Fish CHRISTMAS DANCE.
Posted: 11/14/2009 8:43:44 PM
I'd definitely go if I had a date.... oh right... W E B D A T I N G S I T E..... Never mind - what was I thinking... ;~
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Death and the age of 50....
Posted: 10/17/2009 8:33:45 PM
The "milk bottle age" for humans (the age by which we all would have been dead, statistically speaking, in the evolutionary environment) is actually 32 -- so fifty isn't that out of line.... Not withstanding that, a 21st century human should in theory be able to live the proverbial four score and ten --- with modern health care, but that the last ten will normally not be too worthwhile..... Lifestyle, genes and random chance will be the prime determinants.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 2 (view)
 
KINGSTON and AREA Plenty Of Fish Halloween Dance (back by popular demand!)
Posted: 10/16/2009 8:21:16 PM
If I can find my "INVISIBLE MAN" costume I'll be going -- I really should stop storing that on the invisible hanger in the invisible closet...
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 143 (view)
 
Why do women keep insisting that it's harder for them to get a date?
Posted: 10/7/2009 5:37:50 PM


The 35+ ones had become more realistic about their chances, and weren't as likely to harbour the delusional beliefs they had when they were younger.


The last sanctuary is delusion -- don't disrespect delusion man! All of my greatest life experiences have been delusional. It is truly easier for the young to get dates -- but they may not know it and if they don't try they won't be successful. Older people have less motivation -- less purpose and less tolerance for failure -- about practically everything, so they find it harder.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 72 (view)
 
any ideas for masturbation ?
Posted: 10/3/2009 7:33:03 PM
If it were a guy who had started this thread, it would have been deleted in 5 seconds as attention seeking.

Double standards are so neat.



Yes -- the double standard here is certainly very obvious.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 91 (view)
 
What are your messaging ratio's?
Posted: 10/2/2009 6:12:58 PM
Well -- in looking back at over a decade and half of "web dating" profiles -- starting with the "web personals" site in 1994, I don't see very much change in response rates -- regardless of the nature of the profile, its verbiage or site's physical format. I typically send 40 to 50 emails per year and receive some reply to about 20% -- at least 90% of those who do respond indicate no interest. Most of the residual 10% exchange a couple of emails more then vanish. On average I find about one new person per year that continues to chat with me and I lose about one person per year that grows tired of it......

It's relatively consistent -- if not particularity spectacular or dramatic.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Billions and Billions ...
Posted: 9/13/2009 8:35:01 PM
There's big -- then there's inconceivably big and then when we get up to about the power of ten the seventy-sixth -- there's the reality. The scale of reality so transcends our ability to conceptualize it -- there's really no possible way to do so.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 215 (view)
 
Let's get naked
Posted: 9/13/2009 8:16:26 PM

Every person needs to place several full length mirrors in their bedroom and see their naked bodies each and every day. Maybe, just maybe it would entice some of these beached whales to lose some blubber...hahaha

Ah -- but perhaps in that case they would take an overdose of anti-depressants.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 124 (view)
 
What do you think is coming to be in humanity’s future?
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:11:18 PM
What you will likely see -- assuming complex biological life doesn't extinguish itself first is another monumental leap such as occurred when DNA came into play. Basically an ability to replicate and advance beyond us that dwarfs all that came before it in its complexity and elegance.....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 119 (view)
 
What do you think is coming to be in humanity’s future?
Posted: 8/8/2009 8:51:16 PM
transformational... and it won't be pretty.

Smog might turn to stars
Someday.
-Neil Young (SOMEDAY) Released October 2, 1989
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Happiness in relationships and life
Posted: 8/3/2009 12:56:31 PM
"People are just about as happy as they make up their minds to be" - Abraham Lincoln

And it is basically true in relationships, careers and all human activities. But certainly a close examination of human history -- both recent and past will not likely enhance the experience of joy and happiness.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 1320 (view)
 
Is Intelligence A Curse In Relationships?
Posted: 8/3/2009 11:40:25 AM
I can hardly wait until a really intelligent species comes along from elsewhere in the universe and shows us how it's really done.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 32 (view)
 
The Sweetest/Cutest 6 yr old refuses to not sleep with her Mommy (me)
Posted: 8/2/2009 6:23:42 AM
Everyone has theories and studies on this -- but having more than one place for a family to sleep in the evolutionary history of humanity is a very new development -- I can't see where there's any grave harm to simply letting the sleeping arrangements play out naturally over time and doing what feels right..... Just try to find a children's bedroom in the ruins of the Tigress- Euphrates villages.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 11 (view)
 
trip to VERY rural location............as a single mom
Posted: 8/1/2009 9:16:16 PM
A century ago people could be out of touch for the better part of a year and that was the way things worked. We have become so accustomed to the instant communications that we think it strange if we are instantly reachable 24/7.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 9 (view)
 
mail answering ?
Posted: 8/1/2009 11:16:10 AM
I would just shut it down -- square peg and round hole.... so it's best all the way around... You can have too many of anything.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 1228 (view)
 
Is Intelligence A Curse In Relationships?
Posted: 8/1/2009 10:30:22 AM
how many pages is this again.....50....? Well -- as anyone should: the conundrum of intelligence vs. forum posting will preclude resolution of this thread.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Is being a virgin a turn off ?
Posted: 7/31/2009 7:48:34 PM
I was going to put that on mine to see if it helped -- but I suspect my kids are on here and they might rat me out.... Seriously -- how's that virgin thing working out for you....?

For the love of God why would you do that... It is the last thing that could make you appear desirable. The short answer to your question is "Yes" being a virgin is a turn-off...

Even to virgins it won't improve your presentation.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 192 (view)
 
Why do women use me for sex???
Posted: 7/30/2009 4:56:16 AM
Seriously -- after being on POF for a while -- how could your faith in humanity drop any lower...? This is hardly Jonathan Swift -- it was obvious that it was a farce -- but when in n the valley of the traumatic posting stress just have to you play them where they land.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 179 (view)
 
Why do women use me for sex???
Posted: 7/29/2009 7:22:53 PM
It's the SESAME STREET GENERATION -- short attention span -- everything laid out with flare, style and clarity -- no need to really work at finding any deeper understanding... But no need to worry about it -- time will solve all problems including this one: when you're a bit older nobody will want you for sex.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Old and New Testament. The biggest scam ever.
Posted: 7/29/2009 2:40:43 PM
Yes the OLD TESTAMENT has some serious marketing flaws -- as anyone who has actually studied it would know. (All that wrath of god crush kill destroy stuff etc. etc..) About time for a THIRD TESTAMENT I suppose..... But seriously -- isn't it about time humanity outgrew the need to fall back into primitive superstition and myth due to lack of factual knowledge and clear thinking...... How many millenniums do you think we have to reign in primitive impulses and ritual understanding and get it right..... I am guessing very very few.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Why would a guy leave the first and last encounter with me a two second explosion?
Posted: 7/29/2009 10:37:35 AM

why would a guy wanna leave on that not so great encounter?


I think it is pretty obvious -- alien abduction! (I hear there's a lot of that in Western Australia)
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 685 (view)
 
Would you seriously date a woman or a man if they told you that they did not give oral sex
Posted: 7/28/2009 6:14:10 PM
That's right up there with preferring Diet Pepsi over Diet Coke as show stoppers..... In my jaded cynical world-view that whole sex thing gets old very very quickly... really -- there should likely be laws against it once you get to a certain age.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 22 (view)
 
What becomes of the uninspired??
Posted: 7/28/2009 7:31:24 AM
Perhaps find a new hobby -- something that doesn't involve sex -- or drugs.... Perhaps music....?

And there's always travel -- especially to someplace without the INTERNET.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 105 (view)
 
BONDAGE,AM I MISSING OUT????
Posted: 7/28/2009 7:28:18 AM
Truth be known -- you would have better odds of finding more perverts on POF than on FET LIFE... But the photos are more interesting.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 101 (view)
 
BONDAGE,AM I MISSING OUT????
Posted: 7/28/2009 5:25:55 AM
Well -- you could always get off POF and join FETLIFE and find out... but like almost everything once does -- the novelty quickly wears off unless you have a high threshold for boredom....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 61 (view)
 
Nipples!
Posted: 7/27/2009 7:16:11 PM
Nipples

Is there ANYTHING they can't do.........
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 109 (view)
 
Why is going out with someone your not attracted to a waste of time?
Posted: 7/26/2009 8:09:04 AM
It must be a terrible challenge for blind people to know if they are attracted to someone.....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Where do you stand on the Kinsey Scale?
Posted: 7/25/2009 6:53:14 PM
Sure is a lot if diversity around here.... And dishonesty -- at least based on the numbers most surveys yield for the scale responses -- even in the 1950s when homosexuality was effectively illegal in most parts of North America. One of the flaws of the Kinsey model -- and there are many flaws is the the polar nature of the hetro-homosexual with bisexuality in the middle. True bisexuals are not blended hetro and homosexual -- but are quite different from both groups so the continuum model is quite inappropriate and misleading -- for example where chart people who feel very little if any sexual attraction to either gender.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 62 (view)
 
Why is going out with someone your not attracted to a waste of time?
Posted: 7/25/2009 8:33:48 AM
One can be attracted to various people in very different ways --- one of the weaknesses in the time is a commodity and anything that distracts from the singular mission of finding the one perfect mate is a useless distraction theorem is that it fails to recognize this quite obvious fact. One person might be intellectually fascinating -- while another might be physically enticing or a joy to be with because of their charm spontaneity or attitude...

To think one person will be the embodiment of all that is desirable and captivating is a much too narrow view and leads to frustration and rejection. It is like thinking one person can be your doctor, mechanic, dentist, home contractor, electrician, hair stylist, therapist real estate broker, professor, financial planner, accountant, cook, housekeeper and lawyer -- that model would lead to very badly done services across the board.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 52 (view)
 
Why is going out with someone your not attracted to a waste of time?
Posted: 7/24/2009 8:10:43 PM
As Steven Stills put to music in that oh so seventies way:

If you can't be with the one you love / Love the one you're with.....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 16 (view)
 
women's pictures in men's profile.
Posted: 7/24/2009 6:59:03 AM
This may be one those famous cases of say one thing do another -- one would have to run identical profiles with photos of attractive members of the opposite sex and without those images to see if there's truly a gain or loss to the strategy. So often people will profess to an ideal when asked about preferences -- only to choose the opposite path when faced with the actual goods.... GM found this out in the 1970s (but soon forgot the lesson) when they introduced a line of totally unproven -- inefficient but quite stylish cars intended for mainly for male buyers -- based on the marketing wizards -- only to find women were the number one purchasers by far and away -- even though when asked in marketing survey after survey women had consistently said they wanted only dependable, safe, reliable and practical (A.K.A. boring ) vehicles.....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Profile Question
Posted: 7/24/2009 6:25:17 AM
Well -- the deleting is ones profile is one of those RITES OF PASSAGE things in web dating -- so it must be done with due consultation and consideration to ensure no untoward implications emerge. Very teenage but then -- when do people [u]ever[/u] grow up....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Why is going out with someone your not attracted to a waste of time?
Posted: 7/24/2009 5:27:58 AM
The summary mechanism model for attraction is proximity -- so being around someone for a lot of time can eventually lead to feeling attracted to them. That's exactly how the most statistically successful types of marriages occur (arranged marriages ).
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 9 (view)
 
The Butterfly
Posted: 7/24/2009 5:20:08 AM
So the moral is to not intervene in natural systems that millions and millions of years of evolution have produced when you don't understand how they really work.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Medical Terms you won't hear used in Canada
Posted: 7/23/2009 8:19:41 PM
One of the things the US desperately needs is a VAT tax -- they have no hope of achieving meaningful tax reform or a universal health insurance system or balanced budgets without one at the Federal level. Look at the budget shortfalls. Value Added Taxes are not specifically more regressive to the middle class -- it is the working poor that suffer more than middle class tax payers with any form of sales tax -- however excluding so much of the service sector is really unfair to the working poor who draw on such services much less than higher income citizens and therefore are unfairly burdened with "inescapable taxes" . The big problem in the US is years and years of badly handled tax cuts creating a situation where there's no longer a viable constituency for meaningful tax reform and a huge deficient. Now any change to the tax code means higher taxes for practically everyone -- so how can you get the political will....? At least until China stops lending $$$ and asks for repayments -- which they eventually will do.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Medical Terms you won't hear used in Canada
Posted: 7/23/2009 7:43:45 PM
No -- it is not really the health care system that saps our tax dollars -- it's layer upon layer of largely useless and ineffective government -- especially the Federal level and the local municipal layer -- we have some of the most inefficient cities on the planet -- the one I live in is tied with just one other for most inefficient in all of Canada. (It is tied with Charlottetown P.E.I. for the worst services and the highest taxes) The Federal government has the greatest tax sources and greatest share of available tax revenues -- INCOME TAX and GST -- but manages to do the least for the average person by far and away. Boondoggle bail outs of the soon to be bankrupt again GM come immediately to mind. Add to that the outright theft carried out by organizations like E-Health and you have a better picture of where our tax $$ go. Health care per capita is actually cheaper than in the USA -- true there are unlisted procedures and waiting lists for tests and treatment -- some people die on waiting lists -- but many many more die untreated by the US system if you are uninsured and can't afford to seek care at all. We are talking a group of many tens of millions with no access to life saving treatments. In Canada one isn't going to be out of pocket $90,000 or bankrupt because you get a treatable form of cancer. The biggest issue by far in terms of strategic thinking in health care in both nations is the misdirection of resources on dead ends like expenditures of 90% of your life time cost of medical treatment in the the last few months of life... Which does little more than prolong the suffering that would have been shortened if nature were allowed to take its course. Suffering and pain you wouldn't put a cat or dog through.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Hooker?
Posted: 7/23/2009 7:25:14 AM
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Forrest Gump: That's all I have to say about that.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 70 (view)
 
Does facial hair on men over 45 make them look older or younger?
Posted: 7/23/2009 5:41:32 AM
Older Elderly Senior Aged Old Senescent Ancient....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Younger men wanting sex chat
Posted: 7/23/2009 5:37:42 AM
Guess you might want to amend your interests list and remove "EVERYTHING".
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Gentelemen, is it proper at this age...
Posted: 7/22/2009 7:30:36 PM
Well -- it's not so much about being offended -- but according to the CANADA REVENUE AGENCY Income Tax Interpretation Bulletin IT516R2 subparagraph 118.5(1)(a)(ii) she would have to be recognized as an other educational institution in Canada providing courses at a post-secondary school level for dating expenses to be tax deductible.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 39 (view)
 
The grass-eating boys of Japan
Posted: 7/22/2009 5:39:07 AM

Hotdogs

Didn't Flanders have a rule about eating hotdogs.....?

Perhaps China is more at risk of the grass-eating boys phenomena or much more likely it's corollary of meat eating girls. There are already a lot of signs of a growing trend toward a type of androgyny in China... At least seen in a historical context and from abroad -- and China will be dealing with forces of societal change even greater than occurred in the rise of Japan from the ashes of WW II as it surpasses the USA economically over the next few decades.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 47 (view)
 
egnorance and unhelpfull
Posted: 7/21/2009 6:37:12 PM
As Jimmy Stewart would say ah now well - yeah - you see well - I guess maybe yes well eer -ya know I think maybe yes I guess he was.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Why does love become so complicated as we age?
Posted: 7/21/2009 6:26:48 PM
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things 1 Corinthians 13 Verse 11

Experience will do that to you. And a matrimonial property division.

Or as my late mother used to say: We get too soon old and too late smart
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 33 (view)
 
Ok for all the Gear Heads!! Turbocharger OR Supercharger?
Posted: 7/21/2009 6:52:09 AM
Other than the turbo diesel used in tractors, industrial engines and on transport engines they are generally more trouble than they are worth. Superchargers are slightly less of a maintenance headache in actual practise -- however they aren't quite as efficient overall. But I am a collector of the totally impractical big-block late 60's early 70 muscle cars -- so what do I know....
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 33 (view)
 
The grass-eating boys of Japan
Posted: 7/21/2009 5:34:39 AM
This is an interesting statistic, but I've seen no scientific studies on this where blood test have been done to see if there is any chemical differences in these men so anything said here is based on pure speculation.

I don't think one could distinguish medieval knight from a British bank executive today with a blood test -- or 13 century samurai from a production manager at Toyota... I think this is mainly cultural and sociological. Population pressure can chemically change herd animals -- changing their ability and willingness to reproduce and humans have evolved from herd animals. But there's greatly over-populated places on earth and they have the highest birth rates. If you look a South Korea the rates of reproduction have collapsed as technology and living standards advanced. In barely 50 years it has transformed from a poor under-developed war-ravaged human catastrophe zone to one of the leading nations of the the modern world. Likewise the fertility rates have fallen to about 1.1 -- and at these rates the population will decline by about 8,000,000 in 2050.

The change in the family and lifestyle is likely a better place to look. The lack as siblings and extended family could play a significant role. As could the cocoon of entertainment technology and relative wealth. There's no need to go about hunting and gathering in Wakayama, Osaka or Tokyo. All the bonding and skills that would impart are also absent. In just any previous generation these 2o-somethings could have been cannon fauter for the war machines of the day -- socialized and acculturated to die for their country.

If socialization can get you to fight to the death -- it can certainly change your attitude toward dating, personal appearance and your work ethic.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 16 (view)
 
So what do you all think...
Posted: 7/20/2009 3:58:44 PM

I've been patient, and am going to continue to do so because this girl is amazing, she's quite possibly the prettiest girl i have ever seen. Constructive feedback is nice.


Constructive feedback might be nice -- but it's often useless. If you have decided you aren't going to risk upsetting her -- there's not much else to this discussion.

Your problem is that having invested 6 months or so you don't want to do "something" that will decide it -- perhaps for the negative -- so that is why it is always better to act more quickly before you are trapped in a CATCH-22 scenario where you won't take the risk because you have so much time invested. Just rest assured that EVERY relationship will end at some point -- so in reality you only changing the schedule -- and of course you can always get drunk and end the waiting and watching.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
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The grass-eating boys of Japan
Posted: 7/20/2009 1:51:45 PM
Well -- the question was could it be a trend where one might see close to half of the 20-something males in Europe and North America identifying this as their preferred lifestyle in the next decade.

I have always considered myself very "feminist" in terms of gender roles -- I certainly don't see true equality on the basis of gender to be a bad thing in any way. Some of the political and legal strategies that were employed in the last 40 years might have negative consequences for certain demographics -- uneducated low income males being the most obvious example in the literature of those significantly disadvantaged -- but I can't see how anyone could make a plausible case for a return to chauvinism and misogyny that existed well into the 1980s in many Western counties and continues to exist today in many others.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 1 (view)
 
The grass-eating boys of Japan
Posted: 7/20/2009 9:35:25 AM
Herbivore: a Japanese man who saves money, shuns, sex, has a penchant for nice clothing, and prefers a quieter less competitive lifestyle. They are soushoku dansi translated to grass-eating boys or more commonly "herbivores" -- the term was coined in 2006 by Maki Fukasawato.... Recently a subsidiary of the largest ad agency in Japan has estimated more than 50% of men in their twenties consider themselves soushoku dansi.

I found that statistic really quite shocking.

We have seen many trends from Japan take root in Europe and North America -- I wonder if this too has significance in paving the way to new and different gender roles and norms. I have a sense that many men from their early 20's through to middle age aren't anchored to a traditional male role with any degree of intensity or focus that once existed -- or was demanded by the culture of the day.

As we move into the 21st century there seems to be a very disparate definition of masculinity and just as sushi has become the modern staple of the consumer food market -- might not this trend become an emerging force.....?

It is easy to forget that humans have no experience or track record in dealing change at current rate.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 22 (view)
 
carrying a conversation
Posted: 7/20/2009 7:07:28 AM
Conversations can fall into many groups: they usually have key elements of: noise/batter, speech making, story telling, interrogation/interview and optimally some discussion/sharing.
 _King_Of_Kingston
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 35 (view)
 
what do you feel is the most UNATTRACTIVE piercing commonly done today?
Posted: 7/20/2009 7:00:53 AM
I never could understand those eyebrow piercings -- what is that all about really.... Other can have varying degrees of efficacy. Some people just don't know when to stop.
 
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