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 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 4/18/2007 9:56:06 AM
xemicangirl, it is never a wast of time to stand up for you country, your nation, your home! thats if you are a citizen?
by your statement you have no loyalty to this nation , correct? why did you become a citizen then? self-serving most likly!
respect by your post and your past posts you have shown very little respect for this nation or its citizens
you are the one wasting your "one order" idea
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 4/17/2007 6:41:28 AM
xemixicangirl: for you have taken to be an citizen
but you failed to feel the citizen
you failed to feel the love
of the heart of a citizen
a love for a nation
a love other citizens
for we be a family
you fail to see
all we ask is if you enter
have respect for our home
have respect for us
for heart be a citizen
of another nation


dear pls jstop attacking those of us with the old fasion american work ethic!!!!
 theirishpoet
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Why don't other faiths go door to door...why just Christians?
Posted: 4/15/2007 8:55:28 PM
ok your point on what the pope siad was out of contect! if you read the whole speech he was given a historic lecture, will you stop see things that are not there!!!
 theirishpoet
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Why don't other faiths go door to door...why just Christians?
Posted: 4/14/2007 9:02:03 PM
anjaan: again it was not a blood sacrafice , i grant your faith for you sound devote and i respect you for that all we christain ask is the same!
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 4/14/2007 9:21:44 AM
to all: respect

respect is to be earned
by deeds and by actions
for respect is born of
the honesty of ones soul
if you sneaks into a home
and takes what be not theirs
this act
this deed
earns disrespect
it be the flaw in
the illegal trek
 theirishpoet
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Why don't other faiths go door to door...why just Christians?
Posted: 4/13/2007 9:17:48 PM
POPE JOHN PAUL DID WHAT??? AND BY THE WAY DID YOU KNOW PIUS CAME BEFORE JOHN PAUL?
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 4/13/2007 9:11:41 PM
xen=micagirl" honor -a showing of usally merit or honesty therefore an individaul show his honorable actions to others not hinmself!
once again unlike you i cannot respect anyone whoo has shown disrespect to my family , and unlike you i view every citizen of this nation and the nation itself as my family!!!
and understand this i never said i was better or worse then them! that was your wishful thinking! but unlike then I DO HAVE RESPECT FOR OTHER NATIONS AND THERE PEOPLE!
 theirishpoet
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Which is the original church? The Eastern Orthodox or the Roman Catholic? Why not one again?
Posted: 4/12/2007 10:04:50 AM
oh so christ was not of the line of david?
christ did not tell peter he was the rock he would build his church?'
wheres your proof uh?
i agree with st. pual that christ did live that he did build his chruch and that peter was the one, now sir even historians are beginning to agree with the goos book
 theirishpoet
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Which is the original church? The Eastern Orthodox or the Roman Catholic? Why not one again?
Posted: 4/12/2007 7:02:08 AM
mad first the the church started with peter the first pope but he would not be if jesus did not tell him that he was the rock that he would build his church on!
second, the jewish faith is connected to the christain, after all was not jesus from the line of david?
 theirishpoet
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New Citizenship Test for US Immigrants
Posted: 4/12/2007 6:15:07 AM
sact: the point i was trying to make is the majority has come from a immigrant background and point of fact i hate to tell you this but we do have citizens who are rude and borish! and it is apparent that she has incountered these "ugly americans"
it is better to be a part of the solution then part of the problem ,true?
sir, pls look up the word dyslexia, must people who display punctuation mispelling, may have this disorder! no i am sorry that i was a bit lazy to catch this, when i wrote this, but it was after work
 theirishpoet
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Which is the original church? The Eastern Orthodox or the Roman Catholic? Why not one again?
Posted: 4/11/2007 10:16:24 PM
first jesus was not a rabbi? even many of those in the jewish faith have said the christain faith started with christ, no one agrues that the jewish faith was the , many ways,foundation of the christain faith but there is a great deal of differebnnce between the wtwo that christ brought!
 theirishpoet
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New Citizenship Test for US Immigrants
Posted: 4/11/2007 9:37:51 PM
sact.. what your background uh? she is here legal she should be welcome , those who treat otherwise should be condemmed , she has seen the woorse side of our poeple and i guess you must be one of them.
again gina welcome to america!!
 theirishpoet
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New Citizenship Test for US Immigrants
Posted: 4/11/2007 9:30:52 PM
my dear gins pls let say iam sorry for those stupid follow citizen who put you down, pls forgive their minds are located in their rear.but dear that is the cost of freedom of speech you have put up some stupid people.i am and irish-polish american, when my grand da from krckow came here he could not speak a word, he taught himself, my family has alwas had an open door to vistors, so do alot americans it is just your luck you have not met us let. dear i agree with you alot of these teenager should do some time in the army, but my dear this the land of the free , but like must things in life their are two sides to freedom.their are those who see you as differnt so they are abusive to you and then there other who open their heart to you because they know that not long ago someone in their family wemt though the same thing as you.
i am not an ugly american
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 4/11/2007 9:19:04 PM
xemicangirl, you end this post with your standard copeout! agree to disagree, you do not wish to see the merits of our point of view , because then you would have to take a closer look at yourself as a citizen of this country, yes we are pround citizens , unlike you,we do give a damn about the soverignty of this nation, we do give a damn about our contution that both are being trampled on! you talk about virture where is the virture that the illegals have when they bsteal into our home take thing that they are not entitled to? i work in a hotel that caters to many international guest, they all ! have told me they think we are very soft on the illegals, but it dose not matter to you that these legal vistors whave no respect for our illegals! but you sure give us a time if we stand up for our bnation and refuse to give crininals respect! have some pridew in your new nation those freedoms , you cherish, i hope you were earn by the blood of many proud men and woman. and i for one will not let one drop of their blood fall in vain for poor little jaun who cannot do the right thing!
 theirishpoet
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Don Imus insults Rutgers women's basketball team.....
Posted: 4/11/2007 7:09:16 AM
pack, protecting your own are you?
 theirishpoet
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Why don't other faiths go door to door...why just Christians?
Posted: 4/11/2007 6:32:09 AM
anjaqan: blood sacrafice? please get your facts right jesus was comdemmed on acts of treason and was excuted for that, the sacrafice was the life he lead for us, the sacrafice that all of the relgiouse make no matter there faith. at that time in history christ did died for our sins , but it was his choice to do so!
to all others we catholic do not go door to door nor do a hell of alot of other christain churchs
sure you like to comdem the whole by the acts of the few!!!
 theirishpoet
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New Citizenship Test for US Immigrants
Posted: 4/11/2007 6:05:00 AM
first ask me any question on the consitution, second i can assure i know where iraq is? and why should know the capital of canada? i am american?
 theirishpoet
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Don Imus insults Rutgers women's basketball team.....
Posted: 4/10/2007 4:57:51 PM
byrd he continues the stupidity of racism as do many others the soonmer they are gone the sooner this nation can grow a a untided people
 theirishpoet
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this be St.Patrick's morn
Posted: 4/10/2007 4:56:05 PM
dog, there is a hell of lot more to the irish then you think
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 4/10/2007 4:53:08 PM
my i remind each of you that a soverignty of a nation has been voilated! if an american dose this they are tossed intop jail and basically forgotten! or as some u.n. reports have edvidence of that illegal are beaten senseless , should the u.s follow those nation that some you have jumped to the defense of?
fyi: fron a tech point, the illegal are not allow the rights, liberties or freedoms that are grant to the citrizen and extended to the legals, i wonder what some you wopuld say if the congress and courts lived up to the word of the consitution?
those are two reason that as a citizen a son of immirgant (legal) who work hinmself to the bone to give his family a better life with honor!, i can not give illegal respect also by their action they have proven themselves individauls without honor!
 theirishpoet
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Don Imus insults Rutgers women's basketball team.....
Posted: 4/10/2007 4:39:20 PM
imus must be fired when you posse a mind that has yet been able to get out of the fifties where he had to use stupid and racist words.
once again i do beleive it is about time that we stop labeling people black or white and that we start to deal with individuals
 theirishpoet
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Does Your Relgion Have Flaws?
Posted: 4/10/2007 4:04:18 PM
english. i am a devote cathloic , iand that faith is home to me, i think that each faith was design for certain individauls that they too feel at home. here i speack of christain churches. as far as others if an individaul believes and is at home with that faith then wheres the problem unless some screwball, like a binladen gets a hold of a faith that teach love and peace as islam dose, and twist into some warp view that pose a danger to the rest of us
 theirishpoet
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Why don't other faiths go door to door...why just Christians?
Posted: 4/10/2007 3:57:07 PM
to capt and anjaan i find the tone that you use in your post as being unproductive to the question posed, whatever has the number of a given faith has, has anything to do.if an individaul beleves in their given faith , then they should be respected, i have been brought up on the bible and i have read the koran, sorry if i misspelled it, both teach peace and harmony, why must both of you use a tone of speech that goes against those teachings
 theirishpoet
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Why don't other faiths go door to door...why just Christians?
Posted: 4/10/2007 3:50:11 PM
last time i check the catholic dose not go door to door nor most of the main stream christain faiths, so please do not attack others for the actions of the few
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 4/3/2007 1:49:07 PM
wrong is wrong and you cannot respect wrong
think about it
 theirishpoet
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Which is the original church? The Eastern Orthodox or the Roman Catholic? Why not one again?
Posted: 3/30/2007 7:42:53 AM
entatki: i see it the curch is like two brothers who becker and fight from time to time, i believe blessed john paul saw this and that's why he and now our blessed father is mending the fences , if you will one brother has a more fundamental view then the other and like brothers they will becker

as a catholic we are thought, and alwas have been that the father, son and holy ghost is one, so we also believe that the holy ghost comes from the father.

catholic for over the last thousand years , that i know of have alwas seen it as a seperation, not an excommunication.

where the orthodux churh teachs a more fundamental view of the faith, the fact is both have spread the same teachings , just in different ways
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 3/26/2007 11:49:46 AM
cuban so your saying the hell with the soverignty of this nation! the hell with the rights, freedoms and liberties given to citiszens new and old!

sir, do you have two eyes
a nose
is your blood red
do you have a heart
asoul?
if you do
then sir you are member as i am
of the human race

sir, then tell the illegals to have respect enough to knock on our door before they enter our home!
 theirishpoet
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Racism....Is everyone in some form or other a racist?
Posted: 3/26/2007 10:39:53 AM
shy: since i was little i was taught that there is only one race the human race! we all have something we see in others that we dislike.
if we look at history man has alwas feared the unknown, differnces, therefore if some is a different color, come from a different nation, is of a different faith etc.. we look down on them!

if we just take the time to see the person within then are judgement would be truer!
 theirishpoet
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this be St.Patrick's morn
Posted: 3/17/2007 7:34:15 AM
for most of you
who be not of the irish
this morn be like anyother
but to those who are of the irish
this be the morn of the irish
that comes but once a year
this be St. Patrick's morn
it be a morning of faith
when we pray to St.Patrick
for his guildence and blessings
for each member of the clan
for each of our friends
be they new or old
we pray to the Trinity
and the Blessed Mother too
for Peace and Unity
for oue homeland, Sweet erin's isle
this be St.Patrick's morn
for it be a morn to remember
of all the years of irish struggles
of the sufferings of the troubles
of the brave irish
who stood and died for the irish cause
it be a time to remember
the hardships of the crossings
of leaving sweet ireland
and to find that ireland never lift us
this be St.Patrick's morn
it be a day to celebrate
the past that be apart of us
we celebrate today that we embrace
and we celebrate tommarow
that we wish and hope
comes in the grandest fasion
we celebrate life itself
this be St.Patrick's morn
so this day you find us
singing the songs
dancing the dances
sharing the irish good cheer
as we lift our pints high
to each other be they near or far
it be the irish way
that you too come in and join
for as it has been said:
theres alwas room at the table for one more
this be St.Patrick's morn
 theirishpoet
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does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigramt/citizen?
Posted: 2/24/2007 4:13:54 AM
exmicangirl: trust me what i posted was not flattery, but the truth , but what out meeting you and basing what i do know of you based on your post.. theres not much else to like!

you have this ugly habit of accusing another poster as being godlike or better then others , if the truth be know the only i see posting the way you accuse others .... is you!!!
you remind of an old american saying " it takes one to know one"
i have not seen anyone post like a god, it sames that all but you post their views and take part in this emotional debate, but it appears that everytime someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of being godlike or if they are better then everyone.the only one that i see doing as you have accuesed is...YOU!

to all others:
whereas; the webster's and oxford dictionaries define: respect as"

" to earn the high reguard of others"

based on that defintion i ask this question:

can anyone tell me how the illegals have earn this nations, and therfore the citizens of this nation"respect?
 theirishpoet
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does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigramt/citizen?
Posted: 2/23/2007 7:26:11 AM
to whom it may concern"
we have a couple here that take offense , where offense was not intented i was making an observation. i spent most of my life around politics; as a worker, a canidate, and finally as a writer. i even said i was sorry for the times i name called and i explained that it was due to frustration.

respect: to earn the high regaurd of others

in this nation we have a problem with racism many still dose not realize that there is only one race, we judge others by their national orgins, their creed ( faith) we even judge people by skin color, which i alwas thought was stupid because skin is nothing but a protective covering for the body. it has nothing to do with the value of a person!anybody that refers to another as a member of any other race other then the human race is a racist!

when you propose a question such as this you will have an debate!
to say anything else is to make a fool of oneself

the views here for the most part have been based on angar and emotions, if one looks at it logically just the cost alone that is laid at the citizens doorstep, logic tells you that you remove the expense! do any of you realize that if these illegals entered legally they would be paid close to 5 times more,

" by their own chooseing" i ment they entered into this country by their own choosening , question: what makes the mexicans any different from other countries that suffer the same or worse. my girlfriend lives in a poverty stricken and war torn african country, when i check the ins rolls i discovered that the majority of immigrants from that country entered in legal?

i have gain some respect for some of posters, xemicangirl; for expressing "lofty ideas" even though they are worthless in the here and now , they are something that the HUMAN RACE should shoot for! and should be express within its constructive contexts.

anyone who enters this nation illegal shows his/her disrepect to this nation, unlike exmicangirl and cubanguy they stood up and with what i am sure anyone would call courage correctted their wrongs, that earns them my respect. but being a citizen is understand what the cost is, and what is at stake, it is understanding that those percious gifts that are expressed in the Consitution are granted to the citizens and it is the citizens alone are the one to decide whoelse should enjoy those percious gifts. that why we have a set of laws for entry! these laws are for the protection and safty of all concern.

from the start my main objection to the illegals is that they have taken these percious gift as their own, which inturns undermines the consitution, and we all know what happens when you weaken a foundation, the structure above come crashing down! but very few here have address this let alone shown any concern ! which is the greatest pity
 theirishpoet
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does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigramt/citizen?
Posted: 2/22/2007 8:50:43 AM
to whom it may concern:

this forum has provided me with proof of what i have alwas said " politics is the bussiness of people" i have witness the political word game of using a given word (respect)but use it in the context of two other words ( compassion,kindness) this has caused the tread question to be misleading to new readers.
we have some who play the race card when this issue dose not invole race, they even ignor the most overlooked fact, that every person on this earth is of ONE race, the human race. this allow them to interject the plight of other people which has very little to do with the tread question. this is also known as " misdirection"
we have had some who preach such lofty ideas, but such nobel ideas depend on the perfection of people and since the human animal is not perfect. their post becomes one of hope but not of usefullness.
we have had some who play the pity card, " oh those poor people" failing to mention the hardships and suffering of those immigrants that enter legal, who have suffered the same or worse then the illegals have. so what is the difference, it is my belief that legals show a great deal more respect for this nation, a great deal more respect for the citizens and show a true desire to become one of us. the pity card is played to try to win over others by pulling at the heart strings.
we have had some who down plays the fact that many of us are as they state "natural citizens". when my fathers family came into the port of baltimore at the turn of the last century, they had no money, no food, and just the clothes on their backs. but instead of thumbing their noses at this nation and its citizens. they sought out a polish-american priest who not only help them find a place to live and jobs at the ship yards. first you have to understand that not one of my dad's family entered illegal . according to the stories that my "pop-pop" would tell me, his father felt as if they entered illegal, and they had the chanch to, they would insult this new country and bring dishonor on the family! but his father also went one step more as they waited to become citizens, he prohibted anyone of the family to speak polish outside the house! and that when they work they worked twice as hard as the guy next to them, in this way they would gain the respect of others.
they reason i told that story is to make a couple of points 1) that those " natural citizens" came from the same boat as the poster did. and 2)how far an legal immigrant would go to become apart of this nation. the fact is that these illegals do not wish to show respect to this nation!
we have have had some new posters that allow their emotions run wild and indulge in name calling that lowers this debate, now let me point out that some older posters also have lowered themselve to name calling (myself incuded this i am sorry for) but the difference is that if you take a more careful look at the older posters, you can see that it comes from frustration and therefore is understandable, therefore forgiveable.
we have some who are posting from outside this country, trust me when i tell you we welcome your views because we then can view ourselves and our nation from a new prospective. but we draw the line at you telling us what to do!
and now we have a poster that plays the self-glory card..." i stand up for the underdog"
this is apart of every american citzen, the only difference is that here the illegals are the "underdog" by there own choosening!
the question posed in this tread is: do illegals deserve the same respect? they mock this nation by refiusing to enter into this nation under our rules, they mock all those legal immigrants who did so, they mock all those who gave the most percious gift for this country,
and we are ask by some our follow posters to "give" our respect to them?
whereas; respect in this counrty, for genration after genration, has alwas been a commodity that is earn, not given. whereas; by the actions of the illegals they have not earned that respect , then the logical answe is NO!
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/21/2007 11:39:32 AM
rev: the facts according to you or to fact that you state dose ordose not c-pan have a site? l.a times? i have never read that paper or visted their site, therefore your attack on me is false such as your vision is on this issue!
sir, i am sorry that you refuse to see thaty this problem has grewn far waorse then you are willing to admit! if i hear or see something presented by the media i double check by going to the given gov. sites, in otherwords i go to the horses month!
sir, you have lowered yourself to slander by accusing me of feeding this post with crap, where you give nothing but the media as your source!
sir, there is something call the freedom of speech whatever anyone has to say i read because i know that 9 out ten times what they say have a spec of truth to it and is worth a bit of investigation, with that said one has the freedom to respond!
you have a habit of stating as you did earlier that you checked a site, and then you accuse the poster of being wrong, but when i went back i found that the fact post were right?

i read the ins response to that study bonehead! ins said it was a help but did not encompass the whole problem! fyi. ins has requested every state to perform the same study and report to congress their finds will be reported at the end of the year. so if the truth be know the texas study was only a 50th of what ins requested, just to remind you they are 49 other states that are conducting the same study.
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/21/2007 10:58:10 AM
rev: forst i know what ever links i give you no matter what it will say you will come back and say i am wrong so whats the use, that has been your mo in the past!

now rev, i am a jeffersonian! the alien and sedition act was directed at the citizens and the legal immigrants at that time, jefferson believed that they were entitled to there freedom of speech! illegals at that time were ether put on a ship and worked their way back or they sinply went in to the western wilderness!

please do not say you do not mind being proven wrong you as i know that is not true!

according to c-span site the texas repost only covers a secment of the illegal population! again you only look at a spec of the whole picture!
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/21/2007 9:58:04 AM
rev: in the past to have told those have posted something, that you googled and found that they were wrong, i followed you and found that they were right in the first place! all i can say is that my info can be found on public sites!

sir i also got the 45% from a retired asst. ag who chuckled when i showed him you post... he told me that the 45% is a "consrvertive " and wonders if you ever look at the whole picture instead of just specs of the picture as you have been? for example the 500 billion i mented was the combine total cost to citizens, which goes beyond the gov's expendures! crime, if you did your homework you would see that ins report that about 1% of the russian mafia is legal therefore 99% of the crime they commit are by illegals! then you have to add in 90% of the crme on the west cost by tong, also add in all the crimes comitted by cartels then add in all the crimes comitted by illegals remember that is everything from shoplifting to murder, then you can see why he says its is conservative! and all that can be resolved by the government doing what they have every right to do, if they had the guts too, remove the illegals!

rev: but what concerns me the most is that these illegals undermind the consitution, and when you under mind something you weaken it!

and there are some who want me to give them my respect?
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/21/2007 8:30:13 AM
rev: i doubt if you even checked i just went to the justice sit, i and guess what it is right there! oh do realize that the commish look beyond just the total cost that govetrnment keeps , they look at the effect illegals had on insurance rates.. in other words the added up all the cost that has an affect on the CITIZENS not just the government! you have a problem you are afraid to admit that is problem is far worse then you want to believe, stop and think the price tag on the drugs that are smuggled in, the manhours committed to this problem also add in the billions of dallors to built fences they ALL INCLUDED ! not just one item but every cost that is incurrede by these illegals! do you understand! the congress simply wanted to know the grand total not just what the gov. spends ok!!! i stated nothing that was not true or documented!
 theirishpoet
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Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/21/2007 7:13:03 AM
rev: i said " the combine total cost to the citizen" not the cost to government! point when i double checked , you forgot to make the 100 billion dollors clear, according to cnn, it was for welfare alone! 3 mounths ago the congress requested tan indepented commission to figure out the total cost to the citizens, this inculded not only welfare, but medical cost, the cost of crimes committed by illegals, the cost of detaining the illegals , the court cost of illegals who commit crimes, the cost of imprisonment of the illegals etc...and according to the commishion"s report to congress the total cost to the citizens is 500 billion dollars!!!!
the 45% was given by the dept. of justice, don't you think they would know? rev, don'y worry 55% is still committed by citizens!

biker: do us all a flavor stick your race card in your ear! we are all of one race, THE HUMAN RACE! this issue concerns illegals who fyi are from russia, asia , africa, eastern europe etc..

maggie: i have place myself in their shoes, altough my compassion goes out to them i also realized that legal immigrants came from the same plight!

to all: for genrations after genrations, in this country "respecty has alwas and alwas will be a human factor the is earned not given away! that is how it is! why there are some who want to change what is, to what they wish it to be.... is their personal problem

illegals have given us no reason to respect!
 theirishpoet
Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 743 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/20/2007 8:31:06 PM
rev: the figures i queted come from the congress it is the combine figures of all the benifits that the illegals have taken googled all you want buty i think the accountability of those agencys are more trust worthy! so why don't you find the truth, the combine total has been listed on c-span as 500 billion! enouigh said!
i notice how you disected my post, another political trick you an exmicangirl have learned what happens when a politican finds themselves on the losing side of a debate!
 theirishpoet
Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 738 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/20/2007 6:56:38 PM
racism? i speak of a comsitutional problem not of race
 theirishpoet
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Msg: 736 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/20/2007 6:21:57 PM
exmicgirl: you speak from a lofty stage far from the reality of life! when you became a citizen you did it under a false image!this i say because of the contents of your post, in no way shape or form do you show any support for the consitution, therefore; show any support for this nation or " your follow" citizens! you play a political word game hoping none of us would look up the defination of the word " respect" i have and you are so far off! what are you afaird if you use the words you really mean, compassion and kindness, boy if you accuse this nation of not being compassionate and kind , then you would be a bigger fool than you are now!
what i ment was you were using the word country in the same contexts as nation, if you indeed used the word nation you would be wrong! so you used the word country! nice try!
if you really understood what it means to be a citizen you would be outraged , because the illegals cost the citizens 500 billion dallors a year! they think that those consitutional rights, freedoms, liberties are theres too, well they are not, do some studing read the papers of madison, hamilton, marshall, jay,jefferson, adams, justice holmes ( i doubt if you even know who they are) they all from the very beginning made it clear "that anyone who enters this country with illegal intent shall be removed by any means"
 theirishpoet
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Msg: 725 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/20/2007 8:06:28 AM
to whom it my concern:

this question that have been asked, goes to the core of the problem. the consitution , and who is entitled to the rights, freedoms, and liberties expressed within that " living document". it is also has to do with economics, billions upon billions of dollors are being "stolen" by those who are not entitled to them! and the citizens are handed the bill!

the term " we the people" , the beginning of the consitution, it is clear and is understood refers to the citizens of this nation! in the bio's of all the key framers, it is also clear that EVERYTHING that they put into this document was granted to the citizens! including the right to protection under the law! and we are asked by those here to respect those who steal or want to give away these percious gift! i think not!

illegals steal billions and billions of the citizens hard earned money when the lie and cheat their way around our system and we are asked to reaspect them? i think not!

illegals bring in the " mass muderer" of my generation "drugs" and we are asked to resspect them? i think not!

many of the illegals enter this country with sicknesses that " we the people" had under control just a couple of decades ago! and we are asked to respect them, i think not!

we are asked to respect those illegals who commit crimes on the citizens of this nation, i think not! we do not even respect those citizens who do the same, at least untill they pay the price!

one must also question their intellence. because if they came in as legals they would be paid a hell of alot more!

now this bs, about the illegals doing job that the citizens will not? let me tell you the fact! i myself and i seen citizens who are down on thier luck, citizens with masters and doctor degrees, go out in the tobacco fields of maryland, i have seen them sweep the streets of cities, wash the dishs in resturants!etc... so put a cork in it ok!

i grew up around politics! and many here are playing a poltical word game, by trying to convince that "respect" is the same as compassion and kindness, so here question their true intent!

to exmicgirl yes land is a country BUT IT TAKES SO MUCH MORE FOR THAT COUNTRY TO BE NATION! and you fail to see that!

to cuban: being ofthe irish blood i have NEVER taken back a welcome, but based on your last couple of post you have me on the verge of doing just that! is this how you repay this nation for the act of kindness of giving you assylum?
 theirishpoet
Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 717 (view)
 
does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigramt/citizen?
Posted: 2/19/2007 8:51:36 PM
cuban: according to the record they have caught would be terrorist on the southern border! also to any american citizens ANYONE WHO TRANSPORTS DRUGS ACROSS INTO THIS COUNTRY IS A TORRORIST!
 theirishpoet
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Msg: 716 (view)
 
does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigramt/citizen?
Posted: 2/19/2007 8:49:10 PM
cuban" do you realize you were granted assylum because the heart of this nation felt for the blight that you had to live though! and how do you suggest to return this kind act, by giving away the rights, freedoms, and liberties that were grabted to the citizens! by tell us to enforce outdated laws! the illegals have taken those percious gifts as there own! they are milking this nation dry, and you say thats ok!
alittle cue illegals are not equal in this country! who said anything about a race card? what is proposed is an immigrantion status card!
and sir i am a follow of consitutional correctness!
 theirishpoet
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Msg: 267 (view)
 
democrats are weak. why?
Posted: 2/18/2007 6:03:42 AM
this question is simple to answer, yes we appear to be weak we have been in the minority for the past decade.
but if one takes a closer look , one can see the courage , we had to stand by and watch a balance budget and a growing and rebust economy be dashed into the debts! we had to stand and watch as the republican con this nation and the rest of the world in going to war, that has cost over 3000 american lives , and we are still counting! fact every reason the republicans gave for going to war was proven false! and now because of the republicans we find ourselves in the middle of a relegious war, with no way of getting victory! we had to stand by and watch as a republican president and a republican congress passed bills that infringed upon the citizens rights, freedoms, and liberties! we had to stand by as this republican president with his republican blind followers take us to the brink of war with not just one nation but three! we had to stand by as this president and republican congress , put terror in the hearts of many citizensm instead of reassuring them that we as a nation can overcome!
now as this democratic congress elected by the MAJORITY of the citizen takes charge , what is their first major act? thay pass a resolution that echos the crys of the citizens to end this illegal war andget our people out of harms way!
 theirishpoet
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Msg: 704 (view)
 
naturally they do
Posted: 2/18/2007 5:10:43 AM
lets see, we have a bunch of people here that say illegals deserve our respect. we have one here , who states that they became a citizen because she wanted the rights,freedoms, and liberties that are granted to the citizens! they want us to respect those who enter this nation illegal, who steal those rights, freedoms, liberties that are granted to the citizens! they want us to give respect to those who cost the citizens hundreds of billions of dollors a year! they play a bit of a word game on the rest of us, by substuting one word for two others, they use respect instead of compassion/kindness, because they know if they did they would look foolish. with citizens like this , this nation would not have lasted the first 25 years, let alone 231 years!
we have others who play the same word game, because they fail to realize the damange that has been done and that if it continues this nation would sink to the lowest point in it's history!
we have those that when you check their profiles, post from outside this nation, now i can assure them that we respect their veiws , because though there eyes we see what we cannot see from within, but like any other "nation of people" we draw the line at being told what to do!
THIS NATION IS GREAT, BECAUSE THE CITIZENS STOOD UP AND DEFENDED AND PROTECTED THOSE RIGHTS, FREEDOMS, AND LIBERTIES THAT WERE GRANTED TO THEM,FROM THOSE WHO WOULD TAKE THEM AWAY! WE ARE DOING THE SAME AS WE ALWAS HAVE PROTECTING AND DEFENDING OUR RIGHTS, FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES!
 theirishpoet
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Msg: 264 (view)
 
EVERY Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Liberal
Posted: 2/16/2007 9:09:13 PM
a predominatly republican? really you best check the voter rolls for the miltary again!
 theirishpoet
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Msg: 686 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/16/2007 8:44:41 PM
cuban: first from the depths of my heart i welcome you, for your story is the same as my father's family from poland at the turn of the last century
but for those illegals the founding fathers NEVER intended those freedoms , rights, and liberties , let alone welfare, ssi, and medical to be given to those that show , not even enough respect to come to our door and ask to come in!
sir, if many of them beleive in the right to stay here, then why didn't they take up the offer of amnesty the several times it was offered, remember only 3% did! 97% refused!
sir, they do not have those rights that are writtin in our Consitution!
 theirishpoet
Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 682 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/16/2007 12:06:08 PM
cubanguy: sir if you are hungry, i will feed you, if you are in need i will help you! but do not expect my respect! sir, you above most of the illegal immigrants had the oppertunity to ask for assylum or sanctury, you coming from cuba would've been given it!( according to the ins)
fyi: according to federal stats illegals commit 45% of the "horrible crimes" you mentioned!
sir, the american union is hanging by a thin thread according to c-span reports, and if it dose go though it would be a north american union! as of date there have been 35 bills presented that requires the involement of the miltary and/or national graud to make a clean swipe! and then a guest worker program will be installed.
sir the legislation you mentioned is outdated! our new congress knows that and they also know that in the next election this will one of the biggest issues and according to most of the polls 75% to 85% of the voting public wants the illegals out!
 theirishpoet
Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 675 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/15/2007 9:04:14 PM
EXMICANGIRL THOSE FREEDOMS WERE AND ARE GRANTED TO THE CITIZENS NOT THE ILLEGALS!
i feel mighty sorry for you if you think your life or any life is inconsequential, because no life is incocsequential

you speak as respect is compassion or kindness, it is not, there is no defination of the word respect as you use it, trust me i have googled untill my eyes blurrred!!!

maybe if you understood the hardships and the blood that was the cost that built this nation, maybe if you didn't have this tone of distainment for , as you call us, " natural citizens" you might see we are a family and when you became a citizen you also became a member of this family! that this nation is a home to this family! thats why the majority of this family feels as if their home has been broken into and these invaders who have taken things they are not entitled to! and as we given a criminal no respect ........

but let me tell you this if someone is in need there is no other people on earth that can compare to the compassion and kindness that the family of this nation has shown!! we do not ask if they are legal or illegal, we do not care what their politics be, all that matters to recieve our compassion and kindness is that you are in need! we even give compassion and kindness to those we do not even respect!

compassion and kindness are products of the heart and of the soul, respect is the product of the mind
 theirishpoet
Joined: 1/10/2006
Msg: 664 (view)
 
Does an illegal immigrant deserve the same respect as a legal immigrant/citizen?
Posted: 2/15/2007 8:28:19 AM
xemicangirl: 1) you have confused the word respect with that of compassion and kindness.2)the "truth " that many here have posted is based on facts not just perceptions!30 why did you become a "citizen"? it makes one wonder, was for the percious gifts og rights,freedoms, and liberties that are granted and protected for the "Citizens" , was for the money? was for fear of being arrested for being an illegal? i mean no disrespect
not my views , not yours , not anyone's views are in inconsequential in this country, remember we have something called "freedom of speech" or did you forget that! my fellow "citizen"
 
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