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freetime2bme

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Msg: 27 (view)

Should you stay or go?? Posted: 11/26/2009 6:01:07 AM
"Well as we mutually treated each other like royalty i would say we were equal. He was King sexy biotch and i was Queen Mumsy. He had plenty of love and respect from me, and i was treated like a queen in turn. Thats mad crazy passionate love for ya. If more women expected higher treatment, they wouldnt be DV victims." Royalty don't treat other people well and they don't treat each other all that well if they are equal in the food chain. It's the I should have more thing lots of women pull. As to women expecting more, they expect too much all ready. If some one wish to be treated like any thing more them an equal they want to much. I pitty men that have to give the royal treat meet (I.E. pay for it) they have no self respect so that is the only way they get some. In doing so the are looked down on by normal self respecting dudes and are used, looked down on and controled by the women they date. DV victims are not treating each other as equals, as to some one expecting the royal treatment is not treating there SO as an equal. All ways sad to see.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 205 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/25/2009 11:54:34 AM
"If my ex had asked for a DNA test yeah I would have told him to go f himself and not to ever come around because it would have been very insulting and we both know that he is the father. " If a women tells a man to go F himself because he asked for a DNA test, that women has shown herself to be abusive and the test should be ordered by the court. The real father should get full custody because the women telling the man to go F himself would clearly be un-fit as a parent. It is a mans right to have clearification via a DNA test.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 197 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/25/2009 7:30:13 AM
"Funny how many women are protecting the right of women to trick their husbands into raising offspring that aren't theirs. To protect the ability to be financially supported even though they weren't faithful and the kid isn't his. " So true and so sad. Have my cake and eat it too.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 23 (view)

Should you stay or go?? Posted: 11/25/2009 5:17:37 AM
"A man who is in love with you treats his woman like royalty" A man with self respect treats a women he loves as an equal not as royalty. A women that want to be treated as royalty does not love nor respect the man she is with.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 12 (view)

Baby's mama may become homeless? Posted: 11/25/2009 5:11:34 AM
So your ex is about to become homeless, and your interest is how you can turn this to your benefit? Damn." Not wishing to have the child living in the shelter or on the street benefits the child. "I would make the offer of providing a spare room to the ex" Bad idea, never let an ex back into your home. Ending up homeless, well not the stuff good parents do, so if it happens to your ex OP step up and look after the child. Let the court sort it out and if you are the right person to be looking after the child you might be the new CP.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

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Should you stay or go?? Posted: 11/24/2009 12:37:56 PM
First I was showing the OP there are two sides to every issue, I was not b!tching to you. You are the one that assumed the wrong b@tch was you, it could have been anyone lol. I never said you were an aweful person or a *****, again you assume way to much here. How about if he said he would never leave his child ALONE with you, because of your abuse towards him? You were theating him and his visits/time with his child, that is abusive if you ask me. So sad if you can not see how controlling and abusive it was.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

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Should you stay or go?? Posted: 11/24/2009 12:23:01 PM
"We lived together, he promised me that since I was on bedrest that he would take the dog out for bathroom breaks as I was not able to just freely walk up and down 4 sets of stairs while I was pregnant ... sorry, I guess that makes me a **? No, but the "I told him he will never be left alone with his son." does! If a women ever said that to me it would be on. Why do some women think they have more rights then the father, does the *** fit better now?

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

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Should you stay or go?? Posted: 11/24/2009 11:53:15 AM
"I seen my ex punch my little pug in the side because she peed on the floor (she was still a puppy and he wouldn't put her out when I told him to) Let me get this right it was your dog and you told him to put it out? He punched the wrong b@tch if you ask me. "No abuse, emotionally, verbally, or physical {or getting told to put the dog out}is worth staying with. OP seven year relationship and you are now 24, let me do the math, yes you start this way to young lol. Go just ask him how much support money you should send him first.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 133 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/23/2009 1:13:16 PM
I would bet big bucks that within the next 25-50 years there will be a DNA data base on all most every person not from the 3rd world. I think a DNA data base is a good idea along with national ID cards. It could fix lots of problems in todays systems. My DNA is on file just like any one who was in the military in the last ten years. I don't have a problem with it. But even if the women says I was drunk and don't remember the guys name today. DNA testing could keep some poor husband from getting FU%*ked supporting the kid that is not his. Most will come up with a name in an attempt to get a support check after they know the husband is no longer on the hook.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 130 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/23/2009 12:58:58 PM
" If they do want it, then they can come forward and say something. " If they know. Your assuming a lot. One night stands, sex in the parking lot behind the beer barn, well it is a long list, but you can get the idea. Back at the Navy base you were talking about how many of the wifes were doing the one nighters out of the clubs. Got to love the clubs near the bases when the fleat is out. A DNA data base not hard to do. Ever single service member in the US military is all ready tested. "The thing with that is that most "other" men don't want the child, nor do they want said child to interfere with their lives." Lots don't but some would. The other fact it the issue, most "not the other" men do not wish to support a child that is not their child. They have rights too.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 127 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/23/2009 12:39:34 PM
"Bet you more people will either keep their pants up or keep it in their pants rather than cheating on the spouse or trying to pin paternity on any unsuspecting guy." Condoms might be used more often (good thing) or the morning after pill will be used more offten. If I thought it would keep married women from giving it out as often in big numbers, well I would say forget the fathers rights issue and vote no on DNA testing also lol. But most of the ones putting out now would still be putting out when/if the testing was in place.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 124 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/23/2009 12:27:09 PM
Q:What if she doesn't want the father of her child recognized. A: One good reason for mandatory test, the father has as much rights to the child as the mother or should in a perect world. Q:What if you don't want to recognize the father because that would give him rights as the father. A: They have rights, but it seems some do not wish them too. Some now will wait a year or two and then ask for support to help take away/limit a fathers rights today. Testing being mandatory would fix this. "To force a woman that's been raped to have a DNA test would be to victimize her again and for that reason alone I don't think you can't have manditory DNA tests." No it would not, what BS. Q:But also what about the woman that goes to the sperm bank. A: Blind check protocals could be used by sperm banks. Fact some fathers are having there parental rights taken from them and don't even know. Do you believe a father should have rights? WTF Other man are getting F&*ked supporting kids that they have no obligation to support.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 79 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/23/2009 5:10:22 AM
"You know, I have actually seen this before. A man raises a child for several years, under the impression that it is his child. He grows to love that child and the child is part of his heart and soul. He would do anything for said child. Then one mom gets mad, for whatever reason, and sucker punches dad with the line that it's not his child. Here is my question......in what way, other than physically, is that child not the father's? " You are looking at less then half of the issues here. As are some of the other posters. You see it is not just the "Not the Daddy" that has been ripped off taking care of and supporting a child that is not his. There is the real father out there that might not even know he has a child and his rights to be a part of his childs life have been taken from him. If the number of 200,000 is correct it would effect 400,000 men every year not 200,000. Add to it the grandparents and the like, not hard to see it effects big numbers. Mandatory DNA test will support fathers rights. I have a friend whos dad was AB blood type and he is O+ blood type when he figured out that his dad was not his dad (high school bio class) it messed everything up for him, the man he believed was his dad and his mother. This did not take DNA testing to figure out, but he hated his mother for the lie as did his not the dad when he told him. Easy to see it effects the children too. Much better to know early. The only down side to it that I can see is less women in the child baring age range might cheat and that makes the smaller pool of women available to us single dads even smaller, other then that it is all good.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 199 (view)

Why do women not like dating fulltime single fathers? Posted: 11/22/2009 10:00:20 AM
2.5 single father head house holds, 10.4 single mother headed house holds. Did you drop out of math to you troll, I will assume you did. Here is the numbers for you. 2.5/2.5+10.4=19.37% of the single parent house holds, close to 20% just like I said, but you are a troll and you don't want the facts. 2,500,000 not uncommon if you ask me.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 34 (view)

Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/22/2009 9:37:14 AM
"Freetime, I hate to say it but it almost seems like you are saying that every mom out there that has multiple children is cheating on their husband and that at least one of the kids is not the husbands. And if that is the case, I am truly sorry for what ever happened to hurt you so much, but it must have been major, to make you so bitter." Valkyriehjr are you high? Were did I say every mom out there that has multiple children is cheating on thier husbands? If your not high what made you think that? dare I say bitter lol. Fact is at least some women are cheating on their husbands, I know this for a fact and I am glad that they do. Just one more reason for mandatory DNA tests.

freetime2bme

Joined: 1/16/2006

Msg: 196 (view)

Why do women not like dating fulltime single fathers? Posted: 11/22/2009 7:25:27 AM
Hpotters not only are you a troll you are a a bad troll. At least get your facts right when you are trolling! "When couples get divorced only like 10% of guys fight for either joint or primary custody." Not even close!!! Already cover before on this same thread. Of the single parent homes USA, men make up about 20% and the are over 2,500,000 of us. NOt so rare! Single fathers are the fastest growing group too. http://www.census.gov/PressRelease/www/releases/archives/families_households/009842.html The percentage of households headed by single parents showed little variation from 1994 through 2006, at about 9 percent, up from 5 percent in 1970, according to the latest data on America’s families and households released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. According to Families and Living Arrangements: 2006, there were 12.9 million one-parent families in 2006 — 10.4 million single-mother families and 2.5 million single-father families. Just over two-thirds (67 percent) of the nation’s 73.7 million children younger than 18 lived with two married parents in 2006. Also in 2006, there were an estimated 5.8 million stay-at-home parents: 5.6 million mothers and 159,000 fathers. Other highlights: Average household size in 2006 was 2.57 people, down from 3.14 in 1970. Slightly more than one in four households (26 percent) consisted of a person living alone in 2006, up from 17 percent in 1970. About 5.7 million children, or 8 percent of the total, lived in a household that included a grandparent in 2006. The majority of these children (3.7 million) lived in the grandparent’s home, and of these, about 60 percent had a parent present. Among the 13 million children 15 to 17, about 2.3 million were working, and of these, 2.2 million worked part time. In 2006, 33 percent of males and 26 percent of females 15 and older had never married, up from 28 and 22 percent in 1970. The majority of men and women in 2006 had been married by the time they were 30 to 34 (71 percent), and among men and women 65 and older, 96 percent had been married. Data are from the 2006 Current Population Survey’s (CPS)

freetime2bme

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Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/22/2009 6:35:40 AM
My girlfriend that was there told me it was clear to every one in the room that the race of the children was not the race of the parents that were in the room. I.E. the two kids were black, parents in the room were white (even if the dad was not a new parent). So black in fact that the one father took photos to using as proof. It is possible to know if a child is mixed race at birth, but maddatory DNA testing could make it 100% or as close to it as we can get. I agree that skin color can be different at birth, but it is still possible to see clear differences in race at the time of birth also.

freetime2bme

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Mandatory DNA tests at birth? Posted: 11/22/2009 5:53:28 AM
I dated an ER nurse for about a year. She worked deliveries from time to time also for C-sections or if there were other problems, but it was not her normal place of work. Despite it not being here normal duty assignment, during the year we dated she was present for two births were the race of the baby was not a match for husband and wife. The not the daddies were not happy about this, but at least they knew, that they were not the father of the child just by looking. She told me one of the husband took several photos and told the new mom, your not come home and I am keeping my kids, but you can have this one. The mom just started to cry. Busted! Have to think that there are lots and lots of dads bring up kids that are not there kids. Have to be lots paying child support for kids that are not there children as well. Yes, DNA testing should be mandatory. The biological father should have the exact same rights that the biological mother has from the time of the birth. Also the none biological parent should have zero obligations to support a child that is not their child. The only real way to make that happen would to be with DNA testing done at day one.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 20 (view)

Would a man be accepting to this situation, or is it useless to even try to meet someone? Posted: 11/21/2009 5:59:27 AM
" I will absolutely not introduce anyone to my children until I am certain I have a future with them." WTF! How could any thinking person believe they could have a future with someone with out first seeing how they got along with your kids, how your kids got along with them and how their kids got along with you and your kids. But that's how some people thing, kind of dumb if you ask me. No wounder why so many second mariages fail. The word certain being used also lol. What am I certain about, death and taxes is about it. Other things in life are not as easy to be certain about.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 46 (view)

Althetic Child, wants to be in soccor, but shared visitation makes that impossible, suggestions? Posted: 11/20/2009 2:48:35 PM
"That would be a matter of perception. At my daughter's level and age if she just didn't show up to a game because Dad had something better to do? There would be hell to pay." "this IS a hill I will die on. My kids do not cease to be my kids when they go to their father's house" " I think he realizes it because he hasn't ever dared to cross the line on this issue." And the other matter not so much of perception any more is? Yes, your a control feak. WOW your ex must really be a good dude to have not gone OJ on you yet lol.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 43 (view)

Althetic Child, wants to be in soccor, but shared visitation makes that impossible, suggestions? Posted: 11/20/2009 1:31:50 PM
"Both parties are directed to honor and participate in the activities in which either child wishes to engage. During the times that the parents have custody of the children, they will make certain that the children attend any and all extra-curricular activities.The parents are to be supportive of the activities and will transport the children to and from such activities" So here the kid could be falling behind in high school math, but becuase it time for the motocross race they better get the kid there lol. Even if they think motocross is not safe. The kid is the boss under this order. Lots of holes in it too. I.E. each parent could put the kid in a class on the same night or the extra-curricular activities could be music leasons at home. Most judges would kick both parents in the ass if this went to court and the only winner would be the lawyers. "So I just bite my tongue when I'm told that he couldn't make his soccer game because Dad was making applesauce. " Hard to do but the right thing to do.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 36 (view)

Althetic Child, wants to be in soccor, but shared visitation makes that impossible, suggestions? Posted: 11/20/2009 5:22:57 AM
This may be hard for you to understand, because you and your ex have made it work but, it does not mean it would work for every one. Parenting means providing for and teaching the children and often times that will be more important then T-ball. If you and your ex agreed cool, but according to the OP her and her ex did not, so not the same. I have seen parents putting kids in classes and then telling other parent, hey on your visit day little johnny has violin lessons and when the other parent says no we are doing X,Y or Z it becomes a new court fight or a parent uses it to talk sh*t about the other parent. Respecting the other parents visitation times if a fundamental to healthy parent child development. Some vindictive ex's do not want to see this healthy development and will do what every they can to end it. When each parent respects the other parents time is is better for the kids in the long run. Because the child might not be doing what one parent thinks is best does not mean the child is missing out, they are just doing something different and that might be what the other parent thinks is the best thing. If it is the other parent time it is the other parents time to decide what is best. Control freaks hate this. You said you reached an agreement with your ex, but I see some real control freak issues in your posts.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 180 (view)

Why do women not like dating fulltime single fathers? Posted: 11/20/2009 4:57:12 AM
"Why is everyone still responding to the jenn8800 poster? She was banned months ago. Posters who post negative views on single parents usually get sent to banned camp...." Because POF is a troll hang out and banned posters just keep coming back with new made up profiles and new names like Hpotters. See it all the time, but I like them. I get a smile out of the poor little trolls. Life so sad they make up profiles so they can troll get banned and then troll some more lol.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 33 (view)

Althetic Child, wants to be in soccor, but shared visitation makes that impossible, suggestions? Posted: 11/20/2009 4:47:22 AM
Parents having their times is important. The poster that has the sports clause add to the court order, is it one sided or can the ex put the child in events too? See how this could be a problem. One parent has the child playing football and one has the kid doing karate, who wins. Getting the call after a visit and the ex says, hey I put the kid in a karate class that meets every M-W-F, I will take them on my day and you need to take them on the other two. Would that be cool if it was done without a prior agreement between each parent. No way!! If the agreement is one sided that would be ripe for abuse by a vindictive parent and that would be no good also. A dumb clause if you ask me. Driving with kids, well I can think of about a 1000 thing I would rather do and to me it is not fun and would not make for a good bounding opportunity. Sticking to the court order is a good thing because both parents know when it is their time and can plan accordingly. A parent that does not respect the other parents time is not much of a parent. Some times parents can work sporting events out some times they can't. But if one parent thinks a sporting event is more important then parental/child visitation, may be they should consider giving full custody to the other parent so there would no longer be conflicts.

freetime2bme

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Althetic Child, wants to be in soccor, but shared visitation makes that impossible, suggestions? Posted: 11/19/2009 3:27:09 PM
"I advise: Put your daughter's sports interests first, then work with her Dad to find a solution. Maybe he drives back for her games and then takes her home. " This would be a violation of almost any court order any one that had a lawyer worth his salt would have made sure was included. I.E. none costudeal parent has the child from 7PM Friday till 6PM Sunday every other weekend, or word close to this. If the father came to pick up the kids and they were not ready becase they were play in a game the next day. Well, no can do!!!! This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

freetime2bme

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Althetic Child, wants to be in soccor, but shared visitation makes that impossible, suggestions? Posted: 11/19/2009 1:13:12 PM
I don't think an ex wanting their limited time with the child to be their time with the child suck or is it selfish. One of the things that happens. How about if he said I got her on a team here were I live, but I need her to move in here to make it work. If the OP said no way, would she suck or be selfish. Not good to make any plans on the ex's time, unless they are in total agreement. If not (and he is not) ask him to look into a sport or team on his side and see if you can fit it in. The man only has every other weekend. He might want to spend every second of it with his child. I would! If yes good, if no, well there is biking, running and other none team sports she can do on her own or with friends.

freetime2bme

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Althetic Child, wants to be in soccor, but shared visitation makes that impossible, suggestions? Posted: 11/19/2009 11:23:46 AM
How about the father takes her every weekend during soccor (or other) season and he can put them on a team near him. Lots of the teams have weekend only training now. If she got the gift from her dad, he would be the best one to train with her any ways. Ask him to look/think about it and may be the father will come up with better ideas them the forum can.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 7 (view)

My God is? Posted: 11/18/2009 12:21:36 PM
Who: My god this week is this smoking hot chick that works down at the beer barn. How long have you believed: about a week now. Why: What part of the smoking hot part did you not understand. I will have a new god soon, but for now she is the one I believe in.

freetime2bme

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A different angle - Social Assistance Programs Posted: 11/18/2009 12:13:44 PM
So you gave up $321.00 that you were legaly allowed to put on the ex's health plan. Thoughts? Unless there is some reason that she really does or should not qualify for the low income household program I.E. she is working under the table and not reporting it or the like it not abuse. Using it is her right. One would hope you would not call using it abuse around the child also. If she was working the system well then I too would have not used it. If she is on the up and up and you just did it to do it (pride or what ever), well can you say dumb ass.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 159 (view)

Why do women not like dating fulltime single fathers? Posted: 11/14/2009 12:32:39 PM
"Because fulltime single fathers are RARE. Only about 10% of single parents are men. " Of the single parent homes USA, men make up about 20% and the are over 2,500,000 of us. NOt so rare! Single fathers are the fastest growing group too. http://www.census.gov/PressRelease/www/releases/archives/families_households/009842.html The percentage of households headed by single parents showed little variation from 1994 through 2006, at about 9 percent, up from 5 percent in 1970, according to the latest data on America’s families and households released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. According to Families and Living Arrangements: 2006, there were 12.9 million one-parent families in 2006 — 10.4 million single-mother families and 2.5 million single-father families. Just over two-thirds (67 percent) of the nation’s 73.7 million children younger than 18 lived with two married parents in 2006. Also in 2006, there were an estimated 5.8 million stay-at-home parents: 5.6 million mothers and 159,000 fathers. Other highlights: Average household size in 2006 was 2.57 people, down from 3.14 in 1970. Slightly more than one in four households (26 percent) consisted of a person living alone in 2006, up from 17 percent in 1970. About 5.7 million children, or 8 percent of the total, lived in a household that included a grandparent in 2006. The majority of these children (3.7 million) lived in the grandparent’s home, and of these, about 60 percent had a parent present. Among the 13 million children 15 to 17, about 2.3 million were working, and of these, 2.2 million worked part time. In 2006, 33 percent of males and 26 percent of females 15 and older had never married, up from 28 and 22 percent in 1970. The majority of men and women in 2006 had been married by the time they were 30 to 34 (71 percent), and among men and women 65 and older, 96 percent had been married. Data are from the 2006 Current Population Survey’s (CPS)

freetime2bme

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Msg: 149 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/13/2009 8:21:12 AM
"a high school drop out becoming an atheist might change the jail numbers? Are you kidding me? Dumb people are more likely to go to jail? Dumb maybe but uneduc ated not nessecarily. there are Thousands of educated prisoners and I guess you could say they are dumb, lol" Studies in prisons confirm that prisoners have lower IQ’s than the norm. In particular, they tend to have lower verbal IQ, while their performance IQ may be normal. This performance IQ > verbal IQ pattern is also seen in sociopaths.http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/iq-is-a-meaningful-construct-and-measurement/ http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/iq-is-a-meaningful-construct-and-measurement/ Only 51 percent of prisoners have completed high school or its equivalent, compared with 76 percent of the general population. Both dumb and under educated people are more likely to end up in jail, when looked at next to more educated or people with higher IQs. How can that even be a disputed. Again google try it.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 140 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/13/2009 5:50:28 AM
"I am not necissarily sure I agree with this. I gave a reason why some (probably most) would find religion in prison. But as far as being better educated and having IQ's - not so fast. " http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080917164609AA7HwO3 http://cagematch.dvorak.org/index.php?topic=4750.0 http://freethinker.co.uk/features/atheists-are-more-intelligent-than-religious-people/ http://atheism.about.com/od/excusingantiatheistbigotry/a/Privileged.htm "Well you make it seem like being atheist automatically makes more educated with a higher IQ. My point is to say that is not necessarily true, but it is more question and inquiry that can make you atheist. And anyone with basic reading skills and comprehension might be atheist if they turn away from what they have been taught in school or religious circles if it doesn't make sense to them." A person who becomes an atheist does not have an IQ increase, but a person with a higher IQ is more likely to become an atheist in the first place. Also the more education one gets the more likely the are to rejected a belief in god, but you already knew both of these thing didn't you? Being smart and educated gives some the ability not to be a follower and reject group think or the majority. Not easy for the people not as educated or as smart to do. You don't have to have a PHD or have a high IQ to be an atheist, we are an equal opertunity organization all you have to do is open your eyes. You high school dropouts, your welcome too, but that might change the jail numbers; you see dumb people are much more likely to go to jail too. Peace

freetime2bme

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Msg: 119 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/12/2009 9:45:43 AM
TY it beats cleaning stalls for horses for a living. If you know what I am talking about here? Think, you might. That take more then a shower to clean up after at the end of the day, boy that would s&ck

freetime2bme

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Msg: 117 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/12/2009 7:59:06 AM
" So yes, the majority of people in prisons are religious in some way shape or form, but most of those same people did not go into prison that way. " This is not a true statment!!!!! You might wish it was,but it is not. The facts point this out. Not only do atheist go to jail less then christians they tend to have higher IQs and be better educated. All good things if you ask me. Also did you know the United stated is the most Christian nation in the G-8 and it has both the largest prison population and the highest rates of murder. Japan is the most atheist nation in the G-8 and it has the lowest. Check your facts. Here is a good web link for you, you really need to educate yourself before debating: http://www.atheists.org/ check it out you will learn a lot and you need to.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 113 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/12/2009 3:13:10 AM
Q:For those of you that are arguing about logic, how do you plan on choosing your mate? A: I have all ways gone for the ones with the hot body. Q:Are you going to wait until a female comes along and is ready to breed and puts out her scent? A: No Q:Or are you going to look for someone that has similar likes and dislikes? A: What part of the hot body thing did you not understand lol. Q: And do you plan on mating for life? A: No Q:For all of you logical thinkers out there, explain why we love our children? Or is it just that we do? A: There is a real Darwin type advantage to having a feeling of caring/love for ones children. What group is more likely to have children that live and also have kids that care for the kids. Wait, you must have been home or church schooled to have missed this leason. WTF? My 12 year old knows about this stuff??? "And that is not to say that everyone that volunteers at these places are religious. But the majority are. " So are the majority of people in the jails in the USA, so are the majority of wife/husband beaters. Again your logic has fallen short here. "We prefer to see the beauty in life, and not to look at everything from a cold, heartless, and scientific point of view. " What part of the hot body thing did you miss again? To think Atheist don't see beauty in life wow you have missed the boat again! We see beauty in life logical thought and reasoning does not make a rose smell any different, but it does help smell a dumb argument.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 107 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/11/2009 1:31:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity By using logical reasoning our understanding of Infinty grows. There are some things that mans ability to understand completly (our mind are cool, but they are not without bounds) are difficult, but we pick away at them. Just what we know about DNA, space and the like now compared to 50 years ago is well it is a lot. How did we get there? Lagical reasoning, not blind faith. Don't sell the comprehension of the human mind short and remember at one point in time man did not know how to make fire lol. I am sure when those people found fire, some believed it was a gift from gods, but most know better now don't they lol. Even if you don't!

freetime2bme

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Msg: 105 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/11/2009 12:49:47 PM
As I read the post it seem really strange how many people say they believe in god, but they don't really believe in the bible, koran or organized religion. Others cheery pick what they wish to believe and ignore what they do not. In essence, these posters have created there own religion or belief system. None have said they did it with divine guidance or intervention, but that they believe and in some cases they like the fellowship (group think) provided at church services (preaching stuff they don't all ways agree with) brings them some comfort. Not a lot of logic or reasoning being put forth, but a desire to believe. I truly think a belief in god is an opiate for the masses. I and other atheist choose to stay off this drug and use logic and reason, not group think or peer pressers to lead our life's. The idea that some do not believe the bible or really believe in any religion, but still believe that some god created everything with nothing to go on or support this idea, seem strange at best. Sorry for you that believe like this, but can you understand why I would not want you teaching my kids logic or reasoning classes? Logical reasoning seems to be missing here and the attempts to explain their beliefs here in the forums have all come up short. Again to the OP your child seems to be showing some logic, reasoning and questioning and these are good things for a child to be showing. Yes, support them!

freetime2bme

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Msg: 89 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/11/2009 8:54:32 AM
"Sorry freetime..the first part of that post was directed at you the second one was directed at that other guy...I can't even remember his name at this point. Sorry for the confusion." I saw that post too, it was just an opertunity I could not pass up, the folk tails god tie in yep, I see how that could have started this whole mess. Can you?

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Msg: 86 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/11/2009 8:47:34 AM
"PS- Unicorns are goats and through folk lore and story telling turned into what we now think of when someone says unicorn. The beautiful white horse with the single horn. So...yes, unicorns did indeed exist. Not as you picture it but that is your problem...not the unicorns." How would you know how I picture unicorns? Did god tellyou? But it is funny you would get into folk lore when talking about your belief in god, because they have much alike. May be your god is a goat that got given beautiful high and might status after all the years of stories getting told. Is that how you picture it, because un like you I can't read minds.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 83 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/11/2009 7:51:35 AM
"And the big bang THEORY has no more weight than your "dream" theory or God freetime." fab-mom you need to hit the books, even if you do believe in the big bang, it is likely you do because as theories go it is one that has been tested again and again. http://www.helenair.com/lifestyles/article_d9a0f353-e659-57af-ac20-a01dbfb252ae.html There are lots and lots of links and data on how this theory has been tested giving it weight. Un like your god theory or my dream theory, the big bang theory has ways to test and so far so good. To the posters they say atheist can not prove that there is no god; setting out to prove the none exisitance of something can not be proven, but it can be tested and so far he/she/it has not been found and lots of people have been looking, for something all present it does not look like a good theory, because no real eveidence has been found yet. We have found lots of problems in the texts people base their belief in god on, so many in fact some people/posters no longer believe in the bible or religon, but they still hold on to a believe in god. One more reason why I believe the OPs child is making the logical and correct pick. A child smarter the lots of the adults on POF, who knew lol.

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Msg: 59 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/10/2009 1:03:02 PM
"One thing I have not done on this forum is call anyone's beliefs stupid or anyone dumb for believing it. That was you, just now. So your way of intolerance and hatred must be the better way. You win. " So will you be sending me the $5 check?

freetime2bme

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Msg: 56 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/10/2009 12:37:48 PM
"I have not seen any proof that there is no God. I haven't seen anything even close to proving that. All of you seem to have no problem with the fact that the matter that caused the big bang was just there, always. But you do have a problem believing God is just there, and has been. how is it any different?" For one we know that matter exists for a start, it is here it is real. Then comes the theories on were the matter came from. One of them being that it was all ways here, your theory being god put it here and there are others. With your theory you have to explain were god came from and again it is he was all ways here. What is more plausible, matter was all ways in existence in some form or an other or there was an all powerful, all knowing all present entity that just was? Well for me that is an easy pick. I see people saying in the forums that Atheist do not believe in god because there is no proof. I do not reject a theory because of limited proof, you test the theory again and again just like we are doing today with the big bang. I do reject the god theory, because it is just so dumb (to me and lots like me any ways) add to it there is no way to test it. That theory has no more weight them this theory: all the matter that exists is there because I dreamed it and my dreams are different they transcend time and space, I therefore created all the matter with my dreams and I an responsible. Please send check of thanks to me, $5 and up will get you a special place in the after life. No way to prove or disprove, but some will call it a dumb theory. Are they bad for that? If not I can not be bad for saying the idea of a god is just dumb too.

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Msg: 45 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/10/2009 9:48:23 AM
"I choose to believe in God but use my free will to choose not to be religious." So what is it that your belief in god based on if not the bible or some other relgious teachings? Are you also stating that you do not believe the bible to be true? Have you started you own religion, I mean if you have a belief in god, but reject the bibles teachings, what are your beliefs based on? Again you might want to make the brake from religon, because you see the intolerance that the exist in the stated laws/rules, but you hold on to a belief in a god. Can you explain? I bet if you try, you might find the Atheist belief is more logical, but even if you don't I would like to see you thought process on this. As far as Atheist doing the right thing they do it better then the other groups at least in the USA. None believers make up 15% of the population, but are less then 1% of the population in our jails (the most under represented belief found in the jails here). Just a small example of why you do not have to be spiritual or believe in a god do do the right things.

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Msg: 36 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/10/2009 6:24:44 AM
"A person's beliefs are theirs....they are personal and worthy of respect." Thou shalt have no other gods before me, Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Do you remember these few lines. Do you know some of the historical punishments for not following these lines. Are they constant with the respect you are speaking of? Christianity, judaism and islam all have consistencies, intolerance can be found without digging deep in any of them. Unless your from a different planet then the rest of us lol. You can and may follow things different then some or you may at least believe you do, but if you do you are not following the laws of your stated religon are you? There are rules and laws. "allow our children to judge for THEMSELF" there are counties were death is given out for this, to this day, because it is the law. WOW you must be from a different planet.

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Msg: 32 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/10/2009 5:17:20 AM
"How do you know it's the truth? Have you died recently? Not had a near death experience, but died? And if you have, are you a ghost, posting on the computer to enlighten us? What is so terrible about believing in something other than nothing?" Consistency is important. I would bet $1000, that you are not consistent at all on who you give this how do you know question. Do you stand up in church and ask Reverent Lovejoy how he knows, do you question the football play when when said "I want to thank the baby JC for letting me make that TD" Do you question Father Mic-Sodomy when he says it is gods work? I bet not, but you question me. Well, the facts point that there is no god again and again and again and as they do it become less a theory and more a law that there is no god. The people that go were did all the matter come form to start everything and then don't except that the matter was all ways there, but they do except that there was all ways an all knowing all powerful always present god (not held up by the bible by the way). I really do not care what you believe, but I do care about consistency, so you need to ask every one that tells you they believe in god or thanks god for doing X.Y or Z for them how they know that lol. What a joke. Believing in something not real is terrible it is bad it has slowed man kinds learning down again and again and to this day it slows us down with believers not wishing to have ideas on the big bang or evolution taught. Add to this every day people are killed in the name of god, every day, you can easily see what is so terrible about it, if you could think you could anyways. But you and most all believers can not even think clearly, because questioning is not cool. Don't believe; question the virgin berth next time you are at church and check out if questioning is a big hit or not.

freetime2bme

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Msg: 29 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/10/2009 4:32:51 AM
"correct me if I'm wrong, is the only religion that does not use their God as a means for controling the behaviors of the congregation." Yes, you are not only wrong you are way wrong; hell is a big part of your religion! If you are looking for a belief that does not use god as a means for controling behaviors, well the OP's child has found it. Atheism, no god therefore no controling, add to that that it is the truth and it is a real winner for her child.

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Msg: 17 (view)

Condoning Atheism. Posted: 11/9/2009 12:04:55 PM
Atheist don't blame god for anything. God is a man made idea, that is not real, un-true, a big lie, how can you blame something that is not real for anything? Not logical. Now blame what people do in the name of this big lie, well that is founded in facts. Now want to talk about not logical, a belief in a god is a good place to start lol. " people who have a lot learn" and openheart is one of them.

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Msg: 60 (view)

Multiple children by multiple partners Posted: 11/9/2009 5:47:27 AM
"And it hasn't escaped my attention that the states with highest welfare checks tend to be predominately white all over while the states with the lowest welfare checks tend have a lot more blacks and browns. " Is there a coresponding differance in income and tax revinues in these states. Please 1-kind-nappyKAT-shock you can do better then this. We needall the facts.

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Msg: 58 (view)

Multiple children by multiple partners Posted: 11/9/2009 5:35:37 AM
"I write this because many years ago I was a male pig - and although ashamed of it now, I couldn't see it at the time." Did they remove the pig DNA when you had your sex change or are you now still a pig, just a female pig? What a load of stereo typical bull. One size does not fit all and painting with the man bashing post normally done by a women who got left for putting on 50-100 pounds, well it's just sad. I have meet women with kids by multiple dads and they were happily hooked up with their lezbo girlfriend. This is just an example of how one size does not fit all. There are as many reasons as there are parents with multiple children with multiple partners!

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Msg: 8 (view)

Multiple children by multiple partners Posted: 11/7/2009 3:50:23 PM
I knew a guy that had a SCUBA biz in the Philippines that had loads of kids the oldest being in there 40s (back in OZ) and one less then two not sure how may mothers in the mix, but at least 4. Every one of his kids loved and looked up to him. I meet a few of them and they were happy and doing well. He seemed like a stand up guy to me and he was living the deam life, diving every day living on an island with a hot girlfriend and kids that loved him, so I looked up to him too. You know I bet he would not even care what you are, at least he would have better things to talk about.

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