All I'm trying to say is that during the first couple of dates, I'm still trying to figure out if the woman is truly into me so I can take the next step like kissing. I see no point in getting ahead of myself in case the woman decides she isn't feeling it--it's hard to explain, but I guess I'm subconsciously suppressing/avoiding thoughts about sex while waiting to see some sort of sign that she's interested, because my mind never ventures there. I have no problem hugging or kissing, though; but again, if I'm totally unsure, I don't go in for a kiss. Admittedly, my ability to judge the moment is questionable, 'cause I've never actually kissed, only tried and failed on far too many occasions than I care to remember.

Studies show married men are happier and live longer. LOGIC would demand you would get married to be happier and live longer.

Some guys are just emotionally dead from the conditioning they receive as boys or whatever...but when I see him or guys like him... I see emotionally dead. Incapable of love. Totally self-centered.

Because women are evil.

If you LIKE your job, and want a future there.. do NOT engage ANY co-worker in ANYTHING other than job-related conversation. It can lead to sexual harrassment charges black-marking you for other employment if not criminal charges.

I'll try to simplify this as much as possible

but the back story is important

I work in theatre and met this girl in a show at a cast party. We chit-chatted fir a bit and then she passed out. Asked a friend about her and the situation and he said she was single.

Next day sent her flowers and a note with my number.

She texted me a thanks but didn't seem real talkative over txt.

Few days later I texted her to say hi and eventually directed the convo towards asking her to a baseball game. Again she didn't seem into the convo and declined my offer but only because she had other obligations.

Moving forward I talked to another friend at the theatre and apparently she told everyone there about the flowers and smiled as she told everyone...

This was like 2 weeks ago. We havent talked since. Am I suppose to try and ask her out again or what?

I don't want to come off pathetic and annoying.

This girl is very much my type but I don't know how to make the next move and or if it's too late. HELP!

Why does a guy think that he is going to get sex on the 1st date if you have made it perfectly clear that there will be NO sex on the 1st date?

Bars/clubs are NOT a place to begin "a relationship" if that's what you're looking for.

I've seen guys in pics doing it, too.

The 'trout pout'

Maybe I'll just start a new thread asking.............do MEN know more about pleasing a man than women do!

Ok OP here's what U do. get this girl, or if the infatuation cant be salvaged in this case, the next one, .... drunk.

Huh? Since when did “nice guys” beome a psysical (sp??) type anyway? LOL You gals just gotta stop changing your definitions on us------gets too confusing!

yeah in person I wouldn't be that forward

It's clear to me, there are a lot of men out there that need to work on their confidence but confidence is such a vague term, so lets narrow it down to just confidence with women. How are men supposed to work on that confidence when:

1. It's never been instilled upon them since birth or re-asserted by mothers or sisters, etc
2. It's so late in the game that young attractive women are no longer available to old dogs

Mention what attracted you...If it was...her boobs or butt...

I know that and do fake it. But after so many times...it becomes harder to keep faking it,

Well, I ate a big azz salad last night.

Hopefully that doesn't put me in one of those "THAT guy" categories!

Walk away, is what you should have done. Instead of sitting there, quiet. Its obvious you don't have the "game" to compete, otherwise the third woman would not have ignored you, as it seems she did. There were two guys had game and were projecting Alpha male qualities, they stole the attention of the two best looking women, then you lost the attention of the least best looking woman of the three.

You should take their course they are teaching and take notes.

This is the same behavior you observe when a less aggressive animal makes a kill, and then is chased away by more aggressive animals. This is a typical scenario in nature.