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 Author Thread: Unemployment hits 10.2%
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 143 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/25/2009 10:12:48 PM
Obama didnt inherit anything he chose to be President...he had all the answers when he was campaigning now that he has to put things into effect he is failing miserably....Obama is a failure as are his Policies


Interesting ---- Sometimes I seem to forget that part.

Yes Obama did ask for the job, in fact between Obama and the DNC over a billion dollars was spend so Obama could become president.

How many times did Obama say he was the man to fix the problems?

How many times did Obama say he wanted to be president?

How many times did he say to donate to his campaign so he could be president?

Obama walked into the presidency with his eyes wide open....Just because he was not experienced enough to handle the job and criticism that comes with it don't blame it on others.

The presidency is not an apprenticeship job like Obama and the DNC seem to think it was or is.

Appears that the Obama approval polls seem to be the only thing going down in our country with the new Obama administration.
Cause right now our deficit and unemployment numbers at new highs for not only this century but the last one.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 118 (view)
 
couple arrested for not tipping.,,
Posted: 11/25/2009 5:34:11 PM
Having been a waitress in my earlier years I know what a hassle it can be and I evaluate my server based on that. Usually I tip more than most, especially if the service and food is good. If it seems the place is really hopping and the server seems to be doing the best they can then I still tip even though I might not have gotten the greatest service.

If on the other hand the service is bad then no or very little, plus an added remark to the manager too.

Tipping is for service rendered. If the service is lousy then there should be no tip.

One usually goes out to eat to get pampered a bit, that's why we spend the extra money. We all know most of the food at restaurants costs way more than if we cooked it at home.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 74 (view)
 
Would you serve on the jury?
Posted: 11/25/2009 5:12:41 PM
And the reason this all is important to all of us is because as long as we continue to do business as usual for the good of our wealthy investors and corporations, there can be another 9/11. Supporting the men and ideaologies that lead to the blowback like 9/11, is supporting making each of us targets... sacrificing me, my family, and even you etour as appreciation for your support... all for the good of a few privileged businessmen.


I'm beginning to think that it's this type of mentality that is getting Obama his low approval ratings. *(49.9% is the current Real Clear Politics averaging of the ratings)

Many people do not like the idea that Obama seems to be bowing down to the people who attacked us on our soil, and killed thousands of our people.

Would I serve on the jury --- No ---- Why --- Because it's going to be a farce, especially if the Obama administration decides to treat these war criminals like American citizens.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 1951 (view)
 
Our New President
Posted: 11/25/2009 4:02:16 PM
Our new president just broke another record for a first year president.

Approval ratings are below 50% and that's the average of them all.

49.9% Approval rating according to RCP.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 141 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/25/2009 3:50:24 PM

Government spending will only prop up the GDP for so long .....


I think many are wondering when government spending will be our total GDP...

Hey many think that GDP will go up for this last quarter.

If it doesnt that really says that we are screwed. There have not been too many lean Christmases and if it is lean there were be a lot more folding companies.

Even though its temporary Christmas should help out for the unemployment rates too.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Rasmussen polls accurately predicted the 2004 election...
Posted: 11/25/2009 3:43:03 PM
RCP seemed to be spot on with all the primaries, as much I was hoping not so. If one looks at the RCP polls for the Democratic and Republican primaries last year one would find that they were less that 1% off, usually less that .5% off.

When it came to the General Presidental Election I found they practically nailed every state right on the mark.

I find it interesting how RCP averages all the polls. Hey we all know a few are far left, far right and and few are in the middle with the poll takers. Yet with the averages RCP hits the mark.

Take the current polls on RCP, along with what Rasmussen has.
Obama's job approval rating is at 49.9% with RCP and with Rasmussen at 46%. For some reason I think its probably in between. (this has to hurt for Obama;
no president has been this low his first year in office).

Congressional Job Approval is at 27.3% with none from Rasmussen. I think this one might just be spot on.

Generic Congressional Vote is at 44.8% Democrats and 44.4% Republicans according to RCP, and Rasmussen says 37% Democrats and 44% Republicans. On this one I would say that its probably in between again.

Direction of Country is at 37.7% in right direction 57.2% wrong direction according to RCP, with Rasmussen saying its 33% right direction and 61% wrong direction. This time I kind of go with RCP average of the polls.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 136 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/25/2009 3:23:23 PM

So is there a chance what he has done and is doing has kept things from getting a lot worse or are you saying that what he has done has had zero effect?


I personally feel that what has been and is being suggested is making it worse. Damn I wish it would make it better, but I wouldn't bet my life on our economy getting better while Obama and the Democrats spend like they are doing.

All one has to do is look at the approval polls to realize that I'm probably not the only one thinking that way. Obama has fallen 26 pts in the overall approval polls.

Its looking like people are tired of the deficit and unemployment numbers going up up up.....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 134 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/25/2009 3:11:36 PM

This is the worse financial crisis since the great depression and you and others on this board wonder why Obama hasn't managed to pull the country out of it in the 10 months he has been in office. It took Bush and his cronies 8 years to squander and pillage the country into the mess it is now and you expect a miracle.



Yep GW and his cronies did spend a lot of money in 8 years, with a good percentage of it being under a Democratic controlled congress. At least unemployment was under 6% ninety percent of the time.

Sad fact is that Obama has already squandered more money in his 10 months than GW did in 8 years. With the Democrats in even more control. Unemployment is now at 10.2 and expected to be at 11% according to Obama.

Seems that Obama plans on spending even more even though his last stimulus didn't keep the unemployment at 8% like he promised.

What's interesting, is that at the rate Obama is spending, the interest on our country's deficit will soon be more than all the money GW spend in 8 years.

On top of Obama spending more, hundreds of more people have been foreclosed on and millions of more people are out of work than there was during the GW years.

Millions of Americans are not even on the unemployment rooster due to being under employed, having been self employed, running out of benefits and etc.

Maybe Obama should put some brakes on, ease up on the spending and figure out a way that just might work better. H3LL Obama's way is not even coming close to working.

H3LL Obama's approval ratings are averaging out at 49.9% now. When will Obama start realizing people don't like what he is doing any more. I bet if I did some researching will find that this has got to be first for a president's first year. in office.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 131 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/25/2009 2:12:23 PM
Now I have read you and several others on this board that live to criticize the president on everything he does and I have seen you complain about the massive amounts of money being spent.


Hey I would love to be able to say Great Job Obama.....For I am getting very tired of our country going down the toilet.

It has been many years since our country has seen a balanced budget. Clinton came close. Then came GW who put our country back in the hole(yes some was due to the war). I didn't think anyone could screw up our country as much as GW did, but since Obama has taken office I have found out differently. Obama's deficit and unemployment numbers are far worse than GW, and this is only Obama's first year.

Although there is not much I have to say positive about GW, I have found that at least he kept our national deficit number and unemployment numbers much lower than Obama has so far. Obama has managed to run up our deficit and unemployment numbers higher than any other president in over 50 years. So far all Obama, his WH staff and majority of his elected cronies have done is run our deficit up so high that there is no way that even the interest on it can be paid off this century.

So while they spend taxpayers money into the next century people are losing their homes, their jobs, retirement funds and the list goes on.
When I see our economy including our unemployment rates settle into a area that our country can survive then I will give the president of our country some pats on the back.

At the rate Obama is going I think it will be another president that I will be giving pats on the back to, for all he knows how to do is spend, spend, spend!!!

Hopefully our nation can survive the rest of Obama's term, especially those who are trying survive in this rising unemployment market.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 128 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/25/2009 9:18:15 AM

Are you suggesting unemployment was actually higher during the Bush administration than it is currently?


What I like about these forums is that I end up doing research and discover information that I hadn't realized before.

During the GW administration when unemployment got over 5% a tax bill was passed and within about a couple of months of the bill unemployment went down. That was in 2003, but unemployment did go down.

On the other hand Obama promised we would not see 8% unemployment if we passed a Trillion Dollar Stimulus Bill. Now Obama is saying we will see 11%. OUCH and all of this is after an almost Trillion Dollar stimulus bill. So far under Obama unemployment has gone from just under 6% to over 10%. All I can say is whatever Obama is doing is Not working.

Interesting enough instead of cutting expenses Obama and the Democrats want to spend more and more money on another Trillion Dollar Bill, along with now suggesting even further stimulus bills. along with the trillion dollar health care bill.

At the rate unemployment is going right now its looking like Obama will most likely double the average unemployment rate that GW had. Its also looking like Obama will probably be also doubling the highest unemployment rate GW ever had.

No I don't have a fix for the unemployment problem.
However I can see that spending our country into a national debt that the interest rates alone will not be able to be paid off this century will and is not working.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 125 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/25/2009 5:48:06 AM

Odd you should bring up "requested". I recall the raking over the coals the previous administration took for the 3 days it took for the National Guard to be sent to New Orleans after Katrina. Funny how all those who critized it and still do to today never mention it took the governor of Louisanna 2 days to make the "request" for federal help. Her response when ask why she didn't make the request sooner, "I didn't know I had to do that."


Interesting comparison, espeacially when some in the media are seeing the Unemployment as Obama's Hurrican Katrina.

Some seem to be seeing the unemployment rate as one of Obama's downfall, like Katrina was GW's downfall.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 119 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/24/2009 3:52:30 PM

I think President Obama should take over a few more companies and place huge tariffs on companies that have moved their operations over seas, how would that be for friendly?


A lot of good it did for the government to take over GM...I heard that even more stuff of theirs was moved overseas.


I think Obama is already in the process of taking over more companies---The health insurance companies right now .
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 113 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/24/2009 12:28:13 PM
Well its looking like some are wondering if the unemployment will be Obama's Katrina.

Some of the Obama's devoted media people seem to be looking at Obama in a new light lately. Most wondering why Obama seems to be concentrating everyplace else but unemployment.
From NewsBusters (Arianna Huffington: Is Unemployment Obama's Hurricane Katrina?
By Noel Sheppard
Created 2009-11-24 14:11
As President Obama's approval rating dips below 50 percent, his devoted followers in the media also appear to be losing that loving feeling.

Over the weekend it was Chris "Tingles Up My Leg" Matthews calling [0] the former object of his affection "Carteresque."

On Tuesday it was Arianna Huffington -- who has spent the entire year pushing for government-run healthcare as well as cap and trade! -- asking an astoundingly dangerous question for such an unashamed minion:

"Will The Unemployment Disaster Be Obama's Katrina?"
Yep. In her recent HuffPost column [1], Arianna used the K-word (h/t Hot Air [2]):

There's a Category 5 storm about to make landfall, and the president and the officials in charge of preparing for the approaching disaster don't seem to be particularly worried. Sound familiar?

Just as Katrina exposed critical weaknesses in the priorities and competence of the Bush administration, the unfolding unemployment disaster is threatening to do the same for the Obama White House.

The members of the Obama administration may not be attending [3] a birthday party at John McCain's ranch in Sedona or shopping [4] for expensive Ferragamo shoes in New York as a great American city is destroyed, but their decidedly lackadaisical response to what job losses are doing to multiple great American cities raises the question: will unemployment be Barack Obama's Katrina?

Shocking to be sure.

Alas, what wasn't shocking was that in her 1500-word criticism of how the White House is ignoring unemployment, nowhere did Huffington discuss what the adminstration and Democrats have been focusing on the last nine months: healthcare reform and cap and trade.

Ironically, if folks like Huffington and her ilk weren't so fixated on government-run healthcare and global warming, maybe the politicians they helped get elected -- including Obama! -- would have spent all of 2009 dealing with the sad state of the economy.

Complaining that YOUR elected officials are doing EXACTLY what YOU pressured them to do is the height of hypocrisy...but by no means surprising.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/24/arianna-huffington-unemployment-obamas-hurricane-katrina)
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 108 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/23/2009 10:30:09 PM
Right now the unemployment number of 10.2 % already has quite a few categories missing. In reality it seems that actual unemployment is probably more in the upper teens.

Missing from the 10.2% numbers are those who are under employed(some are barely making 10% of their previous wages), self-employed, those who have no benefits left, those that are self employed, farmers and the list of categories missing goes on.

Taking people off the unemployment rolls does not change anything except give people in American a false pretense of what really is.

Guess it wouldn't be that new of an idea to have DC fudge the unemployment numbers, they already fudged the stimulus numbers.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform
Posted: 11/23/2009 8:37:23 PM

Let it go. It' over, done, finito! There's a new administration in place. Time to address their actions and quit crying over spilt milk. Besides, the actions of your concern were matters of national security. Health care legislation hardly rises to that level


This is something quite a few of us are having trouble figuring out. If there is some legit criticism of the Obama, his administration or elected democrats it seems that a few will try and put the blame back on GW.
It doesn't matter what the criticism is related to, but it seems that they want to tag the blame back to GW.

Again this is another issue that has nothing to do with Iraq or the war in Iraq. This is an issue that has nothing to even do with the GW years.

OP is asking about bribe and vote buying with the Health Care Reform Bill this year.

I will have to say that I am not surprised with the Political Bribes/Vote buying in regards to the Health Care Reform Bill..

But I think many were hoping that Obama was going to end some of these types of DC politics. Guess Not. H3LL Obama's campaign was using bribes and vote buying to get super delegates if needed last year. Guess there's not much difference between that type of bribery and vote buying then trying to get a bill passed.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 80 (view)
 
Oprah show ending - Arrogant to the end.
Posted: 11/23/2009 8:15:14 PM
Actually I think Oprah took the show about 5-10 years too long as it was.

In the last decade Oprah's ratings have been going steadily downward.

I will admit that I used to be a big fall of Oprah's, taping the vast majority of her shows.


I think like many others it was someplace in the last 5-10 years that I lost interest.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 105 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/23/2009 3:53:12 PM
Nah not Obama's fault that Unemployment was pretty much maintained in the mid 4-5% range bracket most of this century. About October of 2002 it stated going up just a bit the high 5% range

January it hit 6% now its 10.2%. that 4.2% raise in unemployment since Obama took office. 2.2% more than Obama promised our country would go if we got the stimulus.

Seems GW did a lot better job on the unemployment issues than most give him credit for. Except for May - October of 2003 unemployment was maintain in the 5% bracket. Looks like the WH and congress did a much better job of easing unemployment in 2003 . For after the Tax Relief & Reconciliation Act of 2003, unemployment went up .2% and then slowing started going back down.


Nah none of its Obama's fault. Seems that the Obama unemployment rates are some of the highest in the last 50 years. But nah not Obama's fault, the unemployment has gone up around 4% since he became and is expected to go up another 1% more next year according to Obama and his administration.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 43 (view)
 
The New Jewish Lobby
Posted: 11/23/2009 8:23:44 AM
msg 42 says
credibility of AI = 0


Usually just knocking the source of where information comes from is not a good agrument.

I will admit we have some increasing problems in Israel.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 103 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/22/2009 10:20:11 PM
Interesting Graphic for those interested in seeing where all the unemployment is and how it has grown over the years.

http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuekwe/multimediafinal.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform
Posted: 11/22/2009 9:41:47 PM
Can't forgetU.S. Rep. William Jefferson whose trial just ended.

Remember how U.S. Rep. William Jefferson was found with a Very Cold Stash of Cash. Seems Jefferson got caught for trying to make ice cubes out his bribe money.


Looks like he is now going to be spending some cold time in Jail for his conspiracy, bribery, money laundering and Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization or RICO.




Jefferson Sentenced To 13 Years In Prison Former Congressman Gets Jail Time For Bribery Conviction
ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- Former U.S. Rep. William Jefferson has been sentenced to 13 years in prison following his conviction on federal bribery and conspiracy charges.

"Public corruption is a cancer," Judge T.S. Ellis said in handing down the sentence.

The former Democratic congressman was convicted in August of 11 charges, including conspiracy, bribery, money laundering and Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization or RICO.

Jefferson arrived at court for his sentencing Friday accompanied by his wife, all five daughters and brother Archie. Bishop Paul Morton of the Greater St. Stephen Full Gospel Baptist Church in New Orleans was also there for support.

Prosecutors have said Jefferson, who served nine terms as representative from Louisiana's Second District, accepted more than $400,000 in bribes and sought millions more in exchange for brokering business deals in Africa.

Federal investigators who raided his Washington apartment in 2006 discovered $90,000 in his freezer that they claimed was bribe money.

The U.S. Attorney's Office wanted Jefferson, 62, to be taken into custody immediately, saying he is a flight risk because of his ties to African nations. When Jefferson was found guilty in August, the judge refused to grant prosecutors' request to send him to jail immediately.

But Jefferson's attorney is appealing his conviction and wanted the former congressman to be allowed to report to federal prison on Jan. 4 so he could spend the holidays with his family
http://www.wapt.com/news/21610279/detail.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 87 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/22/2009 9:19:50 PM
The unemployment rate that keeps going up and is expected to go up even more according to the Obama administration seems to say the stimulus is not working the way Obama promised.

Our current 10.2% unemployment rate does not take in account, those who are discouraged workers not filing, the self-employed with no work, farmers not working and those under-employed (some barely making 10% of what they used to earn). Actual unemployment is probably nearer the 20% range..

On top of the unemployment rate, add reports that Obama and his administration are putting out that are reporting jobs that are really not there or fraudulent.

These two make it really apparent how much the Obama stimulus is just a bunch of hot air and is not doing what Obama promised it would do for our country.

How can one forget the need of Obama and his people to set up this jobs created and saved site, just so they could have some bragging rights on their precious stimulus.

One would think that someone with Obama's education and hundreds of millions of dollars of CZARs/advisors could have a site with a much better audit tracking system

Yet even after knowing about the site's problem Obama and his people went on bragging for quite a while about the jobs created and/or saved reports.

Face it guys the stimulus is a failure in a lot more ways than just the jobs created and saved site. It's looking like there is a lot of wasteful spending of the stimulus by Obama and his people for things that are not doing their job and things that are not really there. Oh and how many of us can forget all the Pork that was in that bill?


Just within the jobs created and save site one can see the waste of money. It is a site created by Obama and his administration that cost millions of dollars that gives out erroneous information, along with money that was given to districts that don't even exist.

Maybe we should give Obama another stimulus plan to play with. Oh wait too late, for they are already discussing a stimulus 2 plan now.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 84 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/22/2009 5:32:35 PM

There is no doubt I am not a fan of Obama, but I was hoping that he would succeed in regards to job creation and the Economy at least...



I think everyone was hoping that Obama would succeed in something besides spending money and spinning the truth.

It seems that Obama is best at spinning the truth and spending money and then blaming his staff, speech writers or the previous administaration.

Hopefully Obama's prediction of 11% unemployment next year is closer than his 8% one was this year.
I don't think our country can take much more of Obama's blame/excuse game as far as our economy goes.
This last blame/excuse game with the "jobs created or saved" is really making Obama's choice of CZARs/Advisors look really bad.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 402 (view)
 
Gallup Poll
Posted: 11/22/2009 5:07:20 PM
Looks like Obama is losing it a bit....Still at the 50-51% range.
Today Obama sits at 50.6.

What is interesting is that there are now 4 polls giving Obama an approval rating of below 50%. At RCP there have been two at once but not 4. I'm kind of curious if at Obama's one year aniversary of being sworn in will he even have a 50% approval rating.


Gallup 48%
Rasmussen Reports 48%
FOX News 46%
Quinnipiac 48%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html



Saturday, November 21, 2009
Obama's approval rating falls below 50%
Donald Lambro
For the first time in his presidency, President Obama's job approval rating has slipped below 50 percent in the Gallup Polls daily tracking survey.

Mr. Obama dropped to 49 percent in the national survey conducted this week. Three other presidents have seen their job approval score drop below the symbolic 50 percent majority approval line faster in the post-World War II era: Presidents Ford, Clinton and Reagan.

Gallup analysts said the president's slipping job approval score was largely due to deep division in the country about his health care reform plan and mounting unemployment that has risen to double-digit levels nationally and between nearly 11 percent and 15 percent in at least a dozen states.

"Although the current decline below 50 percent has symbolic significance, most of the recent decline in support for Obama occurred in July and August. He began July at 60 percent approval. The ongoing, contentious debate over national health care reform has likely served as a drag on his public support, as have continuing economic problems," Gallup said.

Independent analysts predicted the number will have little impact on the presidents congressional agenda unless it moves substantially below 50 percent.

"Obama's approval ratings have been stable for three months - in the low 50s. Gallup acknowledges in its release today that the latest measure of 49 percent is more a symbolic than substantive finding," said Thomas Mann, senior analyst at the Brookings Institution.

"However, if it declines well below 50 percent, it will be a serious drag on the president's agenda. For now, however, Democrats realize they have no alternative but to pass health care and hope for improved economic conditions a year from now," Mr. Mann said.

Nevertheless, the latest dip in his approval rating comes at a difficult time in his presidency, when there is growing disapproval of his handling of the economy and the budget deficit, a fierce political battle over the Senate's health care bill, and growing doubts within his own party about whether his economic stimulus program is working.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/21/obamas-rating-slip-below-50-one-of-fastest-in-hist//print/
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/21/2009 3:24:21 PM

It doesnt change the Fact that the Obama administration has released two reports in regards to jobs allegedly "Saved" or Created and both of those have been shown to contain numerous Errors....the first time may have been accidental but unless this administration lacks the ability to learn from their mistakes the second report had to be released with bogus numbers intentionally there by indicating Obama's' willingness to Lie/Deceive/Misrepresent etc...


It would be bad enough if it was just Errors in the report. There is actual fraud within the report and a lot of the fraudulent errors in the report was caught by the media.. HMMMMM

These reports have NOTHING to do with GW and the lies his administration told about the war.
Heck these reports aren't even about the war and or even a bill passed during GW's term.

If anyone is being two-faced it's those that keep say since GW did it and no one complained then what is the problem with Obama doing it. GW's approval ratings were in the mid 20s when he left office.

That means about 3/4ths of our American people apparently had issues with the GW administration. DUH I wonder why---Could it be, that they were tired of the deceptive nature of that administration and DC.

Now Obama comes in and is just as misleadingly deceptive and people are saying ---"But GW was misleadingly deceptive too!!"

When will people realize that Obama needs to start working on doing more accurate research, report gathering and putting this out to the public instead of all the misstatement, non-truths and lies that we have been getting the majority of the time.

Yes I consider that fact that we are only getting the whole truth 20% of the time from Obama to mean we are not getting the whole truth the majority of the time.

I repeat --- This erroneous fraudulent report on stimulus jobs created or saved has nothing to do with GW or the Iraq war. So quit trying to compare Obama deceptiveness to GW's.

Majority of Americans were not happy with the disingenuous deceptiveness in DC and the Bush administration and us Americans should not have to put up with the Obama administration being disingenuously deceptive too.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 13 (view)
 
New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death.
Posted: 11/21/2009 9:51:17 AM
The problem with this whole thread is that it has been started off with a misquote.

Isn't it great when one says one thing and the media people add words that were not even said or written.

The quote going around was added to in the article used as backup.

Guess its okay now to add to someone's quote. Boy would our politicians be in a mess of trouble if everyone did that. Hey our elected politicians get caught in enough misspeaks and lies without people misquoting them.

Psalms 109:8 reads thus.......
"May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership NIV version -http://www.biblica.com/bible/verse/index.php?q=Psalm109:8&niv=yes

Nowhere in the message being send around does it say just Psalms 109 or even 109:8-9, or even 109;1-10.

The message quotes Psalms 109:8 --- PERIOD, end of quote.

Yes just Psalms 109:8 could be misconstrued, and isn't probably the best message to be sending around. But, H3LL why misquote it, just debate the issues about the EXACT quote that is actually being send around.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/21/2009 9:29:18 AM
My point--which I thought was rather obvious--is that those who disparage Obama are hypocrites if they are the same people who excused Bush by saying, 'He didn't have the correct information.' 'His lie was inadvertent.'


This jobs created or saved mess is not the first time that the Obama administration has been dishonestly deceiving us and it is getting to look like its not the last.

Sure GW deceived us too, and most Americans did not like these deceptions coming from our government during the GW administration, including me.

If anyone bothers to look at GW's ending approval ratings, one would see that hardly anyone was giving GW any excuses for the crap that was happening and had happened in his administration, including the deceptions about the war.

GW's ending approval ratings were at the bottom of the pile due to the same crappy dishonest deceptions that the Obama administration is pulling right now. But since GW did it, it's ok for Obama to do it; give me a fricking break.

The voters turned on GW, even those that voted for him in the end. I was probably one the millions of Americans counting the days until the end of GW's term and his deceptive methods.

I did not vote for GW and I did not vote for Obama. But I guess I was deceived like the rest of our country men in thinking that we would get someone who would be more honest with us than GW was. I'm talking Obama supporters and Obama non-supporters.

Obama' record of not telling us the whole truth has caught up with him, and Obama just doesn't seem to understand that many of us Americans are getting fed up with it the deceptive practices in DC. Obama just doesn't seem to understand that many believed in his promises last year to end the deceptive practices in DC.

Instead of excuses maybe Obama should apologize and make good his promises on being more honest especially in regards to the spending of our money, including the stimulus money.

I have a better solution Obama could tell the Truth....and release accurate reports....

Right on ---- Just maybe give us the truth in DC that Obama kept promising last year.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:20:08 PM

But, I'll bet if somehow all the ills of our country were to magically disappear tomorrow he'd take full credit and the dems would give it to him even though "he couldn't possibly have had time to fix it all"


That's probably true but until then, anytime Obama misspeaks, or puts out bad reports it all going to be due to his predecessor. So all the mistakes of and fraudulent jobs on the stimulus jobs created and saved Obama and his WH administration have been bragging about are all GW's fault.


GW has been gone for 11 months now and they still blame everything on him.

Obama was supposed to have the experience and the knowledge to fix what was going on in our country.
Obama's big stimulus bill was going to solve all the wrong of the country's economy. Instead it just showed us how much pork could be packed into a bill, how poorly the government can keep track of the taxpayers' money and how much more fraud can be perpetrated upon our country with false reporting of jobs.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 5:30:17 PM

Good enough for Bush, good enough for Obama.


Ok if you say so...I just thought Obama was supposed to be so much better than Bush. Thought everyone was tired of a president that lied to the nation with his inaccurate reports and speeches.

I thought the reason everyone voted for Obama is that he was going to do things much better than Bush, including keeping the people honestly informed of government policies and bills.
Many were very tired of the Crap GW was pulling and were looking forward to a change from GW's screw-ups, including me.

Maybe you Obama supporters are happy with another GW in office by the name of Obama but there seems to be a growing number of people that aren't. Maybe you Obama people think it's great that Obama is just as bad as GW was or maybe even worse in his screw-ups. It seems that Obama's screw-ups in his statistical numbers is one of the reasons Obama is losing in the polls.

Many are getting tired of Obama's misstatements, flawed reports, inaccurate reporting or whatever one wants to call all the untruths Obama and his people keep spurting out. This is especially true in all of Obama's WH speeches and reports concerning the stimulus and what is happening with our taxpayer money.

 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 275 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 11/20/2009 4:02:33 PM

Anyone who cannot spell Fox without the letters A and U cannot really be trusted to hold an objective viewpoint.




Good one....I got a good chuckle out of the comment. ....
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 271 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 11/20/2009 3:01:12 PM

Faux is at it again. This time they are fake pimpin' Palin. .


Yes Fox did come out on this error.
This is what the topic of this thread has been for several posts now.

As for the Tea Party error Hannity did apologize for it.

So Fox made some errors, and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate thinks its not a news station. Could it be because he is so much better at telling the whole truth himself.

Hmmmmm, seems that Obama has problems with lots of facts in his speeches and reports put out by his WH administration.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/personalities/barack-obama/

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 127 (view)
 
Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/20/2009 2:12:23 PM

Strange to hear Liberals advocate for abortion using costs as a reason....so because someone is careless a baby loses its right to be born because it may cost the system some money if it were allowed to live? Abortion should not be used as a form of Birth control.....there are many people willing to adopt the procedure needs to be made easier and less expensive....


Hey don't forget OBama doesn't want his daughters punished if they get pregnant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 267 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 11/20/2009 2:06:19 PM
Oh my god, really? Footage of a book signing? Good thing they werent lying in a Report about the number of jobs "Saved or Created by the Stimulus plan or something really important like that....or what the alleged costs of a massive Health Care bill is going to cost.....Book signing--------State of the Economy..........hmmmmmmmmm



Good one.....

Guess they could be making errors in the reporting of the the Health Care Reform Plan costs that is already looking like it going to be over 2 trillion...


When was the last time one Heard the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate apologize for any of his or or his WH's many blunders.

Fox came out on that error themselves.

Anyone remember the****Clark show about TV Bloopers. Every station has them. If I remember correctly about 25% of their show was usually made up of newscaster and news station bloopers.

Hey nobody's perfect....Here are some bloopers of Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.
His daughter has asthma and he does not know that its an inhaler or puffer. ( oh well).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHIUdMVN_V0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=PlayList&p=ED1B06E00E0F23D5&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxXh6ZWfbDg&feature=PlayList&p=9FBA8F1ECBC2C91A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 1:32:03 PM

He doesn't have a Phd he has a Juris Doctorate (J.D.). If he had a Phd, he would be referred to as: "Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, Dr. Barack Obama".



Lets say it this way.

For all that education and along with the experience Obama said he had, Obama sure does throw out a lot of erronous information in his speeches and reports that come from his administration.

This Stimulus jobs created and saved is just one of the many errors.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Would you serve on the jury?
Posted: 11/20/2009 1:19:35 PM
Not sure how they going to pull this off, especially since it appears these guys are supposed to be treated like American citizens in the trail.
Since these guys were not given their Miranda Rights, a good majority of the evidence will have to be trashed.

If one were a truthful juror then one would have to base everything on the evidence that can be presented. I would not want to be one of those jurors for many reasons.

Some that come to mind are:

One of the terrorist comrades just might come after you before during or after the verdict.

If the US can't present a good case due to way evidence and confessions were gotten, then you just might have to say not guilty and move out of the country.

Look at all the time one would probably be locked up in a motel or hotel room during the trial.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 37 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 1:06:41 PM
Good News guys, the government only spent $225,000 per non-existent job it created. Wonder how the Obama Administration is going audit those figures.

The more digging that is being done into the Stimulus Job Creation fiasco the more crap that is surfacing.

Wonder what excuses Obama and his administration are going to use for all of this mess. Maybe Obama's teleprompter broke down again and created all this misinformation they have been shouting out to the nation.


November 18, 2009
Job Creation: A Massive Stimulus Fraud
By Investor's Business Daily
The Economy: We knew something was funny when the White House claimed that 640,000 to 1 million jobs had been created from this year's stimulus. What we didn't know was that it would turn into a massive fraud.

Not only have 640,000 new jobs not been created from the stimulus - an absurd claim, given the economy's loss of nearly 4 million payroll positions this year - but it now seems that even the jobs themselves are fictional.

Thanks to the digging of a number of data sleuths, it turns out that many of the jobs reported by states come from made-up congressional districts.

This would be funny if it weren't a criminal waste of public funds. And yet, G. Edward DeSeve, who runs the government's economic recovery program, says the errors are "relatively few" and "don't change the fundamental conclusions one can draw from the data."

Excuse us? The "relatively few" errors are in fact thousands in number. But that's the pernicious place we find ourselves today - a public official defending shoddy accounting that looks an awful lot like fraud to the tune of billions of dollars.

One example: the 15th Congressional District of Arizona, where 30 jobs were salvaged with $761,420 in spending, according to Recovery.gov, the official government Web site. As ABC News reports: "There is no 15th Congressional District in Arizona; the state has only eight districts."

States as diverse as Kansas, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Ohio, Minnesota and West Virginia also reported phony jobs.

Stimulus jobs were also reported in 35 congressional districts in Washington, D.C., and four U.S. territories. The problem: None of those jurisdictions even has congressional districts.

All told, according to the useful Web site Watchdog.org, some $6.4 billion was spent to "create or save" 30,000 jobs in phantom districts. That comes out to about $225,000 per nonexistent job. And that's only what's been found so far.

The Washington Examiner's bogus-job count is even higher - at 75,343, a figure likely to climb as more are discovered.

Some cases were egregious. California's state university system took in $268.5 million in stimulus funds, claiming it "saved" 26,000 jobs. It has since admitted that few, if any, jobs were really at risk.

The government's response to all this? "Human beings make mistakes," shrugged Recovery Board spokesman Ed Pound on Monday. But by Tuesday, as the furor grew, the board's DeSeve was vowing to go through reports with a "fine-tooth comb."

But this should have been done all along. The official Web site vows that stimulus spending will "be subject to unprecedented transparency and accountability," and that inspectors general of 28 federal agencies will "continually review" their spending.

To our knowledge, however, none of the errors was found by an inspector general. All were discovered by private individuals curious about what their tax dollars were being spent on.

Imagine for a moment a CEO standing before the public and claiming similar bookkeeping errors. He'd be arrested for fraud, frog-marched from his office, tried, convicted and left to rot in jail.

We said from the start that the stimulus and TARP programs would be an invitation to fraud, waste and abuse. Sadly, this has proved true. Yet no one is likely to suffer so much as a reprimand.

As the White House talks about another stimulus, Americans need to know that the promises of transparency and openness in the first program haven't been kept. And that billions of their tax dollars are being wasted. http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2009/11/18/job_creation_a_massive_stimulus_fraud_97517.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 396 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/20/2009 11:43:25 AM
Yep Obama started out with a big ole huge bang, with a fair percentage of Republicans liking him, a whole slew of Independents liking him and a huge majority of Democrats liking him.
Now Obama is going down with a huge bang with pretty much only Democrats supporting him. Seems a huge % of republicans have lost any cofidence they had in a new change from GW, with the independents fleeing from him too.

His stimulus, plus all the lies about it, and now his Crazy Health Care Reform are pulling him down the tubes.

Seems all his great promises of no double digit unemployment, less taxes and etc are going down the tubes, along with his approval ratings.

Yes the state of the economy pretty much says it all, and is the probably the biggest reason Obama is not holding it the people's interest like he used to.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 393 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/20/2009 9:50:48 AM
^^^^ Here we go again using different poll taker ratings to show that Obama has maintained a unvarying rating from beginning to end. Start with the lowest and then work your way down to the highest rating at the end.

All one has to do is look at the history of all the above poll takers throughout the year. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html)

Let's start with the ending Poll taker used "ABC News/Wash Post' with a 56% current approval rating for Obama. Their first poll of the year in Feb (2/19 - 2/22 )shows Obama at 68% approval, and Obama's current (11/12 - 11/15 )rating at 56%. That's a 12% drop from February to November, more than 1% a month.

How about the Rasmussen Reports poll of 56% and 57% used for Mar (3/23 - 3/25) and May(0 5/10 - 5/12). Currently( 11/17 - 11/19) Rasmussen Reports shows Obama at 47%, which would be a 11% drop in 8 months taking in the March rating , or 10 % drop in just 6 months time. This is also more than a 1% drop per month.

Okay then there is the NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl poll used for June (6/12 - 6/15) of 56%. Most current (10/22 - 10/25) NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl is 51% which means a drop of 5% in 5 months. Another 1% drop per month.

Lets see there are 48 months in 4 years. So if Obama keeps dropping that the rate of 1% per month he just might make another record, even if one were to take Obama's highest approval rating when he was sworn in.

Even in Obama's first quarter he was below GW's first quarter approval ratings. Everyone has to remember GW the president who ended up his second term as the president with the lowest approval rating in history.

From the Wall Street Journal at the beginning of the year (Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html )

It even seems that Obama has the wildest Partisan Gap in history, with his high ratings being due to the Democrats.

From Pew Research (For all of his hopes about bipartisanship, Barack Obama has the most polarized early job approval ratings of any president in the past four decades. The 61-point partisan gap in opinions about Obama's job performance is the result of a combination of high Democratic ratings for the president -- 88% job approval among Democrats -- and relatively low approval ratings among Republicans (27%). http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1178/polarized-partisan-gap-in-obama-approval-historic )

Face it guys, right now Obama is just not doing too well for his first year as president according to the approval polls. Maybe Obama just needs more on the job training while he bashes us on his world tours, and puts our country into our biggest deficit ever.

Obama might have started out with a bang, but it seems many are seeing him for what he really is.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 391 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:02:10 AM

For the love of God, quite making shyte up!!!!!!!!
It doesn't even begin to suggest that the responders are based on Political Affiliation.


Nah even taking an article and replacing and putting different words in it didn't do much to help the agrument about Obama's approval ratings ....

If they pass this 2 trillion $$$ health care bill I have a feeling they are going to be saying ---- So what GW's ratings were that low --- Whats the big deal with Obama's ratings being so low.

Obama is just not really looking too good in the polls for a first year president. The honeymoon is over.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 7:31:43 AM
Post 33 said (He was given inaccurate information.
He didn't lie to the American people.
His information source was tainted. )

Yes those are some of the many many excuses that Obama uses for his many untruths/lies that he keeps spurting out, including for the stimulus jobs created and saved.
Yes, Obama and his WH are infamous for coming up excuses and various synonyms for Obama's misstatements/lies about the stimulus jobs created and saved , his personal life, Health Care Reform, and the list goes on.
There comes a point in anyone's life that one must start taking responsibility for what they do and say, and that is where Obama is.
With the hundreds of millions of dollars that Obama is spending on his large staff of CZARS/Advisors you would think he would have been smart enough to hire people that could give him truthful and correct information, especially about things like the Stimulus and its results..
Obama has been campaigning and in Office for almost two years with about the same record of mistruths about pertinent national information.

Since Obama does have a PHD one would think he would know how to do some fact checking himself or at least hire people smart enough to do better fact checking, especially in regards to this new issue of jobs created or saved by the stimulus.

As the days go on the information about the jobs created and saved that Obama and his administration have been bragging about seems to get murkier and murkier. Mayb e Obama should start learning how to do some fact checking himself and/or hire better statistical people with the hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers money.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/personalities/barack-obama/ (Shows Obama tells the whole truth about 20% of the time).

 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 389 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/20/2009 6:53:28 AM
Looks like Obama is ending the week right now at a 50.6 approval rating according to RCP....

Seems that more and more polls are finding Obama in the 40s and low 50s range in approval ratings. This is what is giving Obama his low approval rating.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Obama Warns About Double Dip Recession
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:44:07 PM

I'm thinking the title of this thread should be more like, "Obama Causes Double Dip Recession"...


I'm just hoping we are not going to be seeing headlines of "Obama Doubles Bush's Deficit and Unemployment Numbers." which it has actually gone pass that when one looks at the deficit and actually unemployment numbers.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:40:19 PM
Obama doesn't lie he just doesn't tell the whole truth most of the time. The stimulus jobs created or saved report was done up by the Obama's WH staff. Within the stimulus jobs created or saved report created by Obama's WH staff there are many untruths, inflated numbers, imaginary numbers, falsely created districts and the list goes on.
Nah it could
never have been Obama and his administration's fault that the reports about the stimulus numbers were off so much and some of the information was fabricated.

If the information is wrong it is untrue or false. Giving out false information to the nation in a deceptive manner is lying.

This information came from the WH administration which is under Obama, the buck stops with him.

Lie is defined as being deceptive, to give a false impression or to deliberately say something untrue. Did Obama's administration do it deliberately to make the nation think the stimulus was working better than it was. It would not be the first time the Obama and his administration have tried to deceive the nation on particular issue, so I will just let their record speak for itself.


From the encarta online dictionary. (1. deliberately say something untrue: to say something that is not true in a conscious effort to deceive somebody
2. be deceptive: to give a false impressionhttp://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861696566/lie.html )
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/19/2009 6:47:21 PM
I find it so interesting when people compare Obama to GW.

Obama was supposed to be better and different that GW, yet it seems that GW is the anchor that many want to prove Obama's worth and why it is ok for Obama to do certain things he promised not to do. There is a point that one has to look at Obama on his own merits. Just because GW did it should not mean that Obama should be doing it, for wasn't Obama supposed to be better and different?

At this time in the Bush administration, Bush's approval rating was way higher than Obama's. (yes there was a war on at the time). Prior to the incident that started the war the GW had higher 1st term summer ratings that Obama. In fact there are only a couple of presidents who in their first year had ratings near Obama's current ratings. In fact Obama's job approval average for 3rd quarter has him near the bottom at this time of his presidency when compared with other presidencies.


"In Obama's first quarter and second quarter, his job approval average compared favorably with those of prior presidents. But after the drop in his support during the last quarter, his average now ranks near the bottom for presidents at similar points in their presidencies. Only Clinton had a lower third-quarter average among elected presidents," Gallup said. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Devastating-numbers-in-new-Gallup-survey-65380327.html



As far as truth goes it, especially in regards to the stimulus jobs created or saved list, ABC was the one to actually break that story. Once ABC broke it many other media sources investigated it and are now the lies regarding the stimulus job reporting by the Obama Administration.


ABC News Exclusive: Obama Admin Slashed 60,000 Jobs From Recent Stimulus Report
Office of Management & Budget Document: 12 Stimulus Recipients Reported 'Unrealistic Job Data'http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=9095621


Following are just a few of the other news agencies reporting on Obama's Administrational lies on the stimulus jobs. Notice the list includes all 3 of the major non-cable networks and CNN. Although I could have included some from Fox, it appears that everyone is reporting on this blunder/lie of the administration on the stimulus jobs.



CNN - http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/19/stimulus.district.errors/index.html?eref=ib_topstories

Washington Post - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/11/flawed-stimulus-numbers----or.html

CBS - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/18/politics/main5701130.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsPolitics+%28CBS+News%3A+Politics%29

NBC - http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/70160892.html

Yahoo News - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/ap_on_bi_ge/us_stimulus_jobs

Associated Press - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jMNoef6xDenBbHWO0Im6rIjDmAgAD9BKKBIG0

Washington Examiner - (from above)http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/maps/Bogus-jobs-created-or-saved-by-the-Stimulus.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:52:37 AM
When does the obama get to take charge folks? When does he get to be the President?


Obama's approval polls took the biggest slide of any other president's first term in around 50 years in just his first 7 or 8 months.

The approval polls and the big slide are a good indicator that people are getting more skeptical about what is coming out the Obama WH and many of the elected Democrats. The inability of Obama, Obama’s administration and many of the elected Democrats to be able to present a truthful face is really hurting them.

One of the primary reasons Obama got voted in was that everyone was getting tired of the untruths/lies of the Bush WH. Many, including me, were just counting the days until the Bush administration would be over.

Obama made many promises about truth and transparency, but Obama seems to have very soon forgotten them.

These lies about the stimulus are is only part of all the untruths that have been coming forth from the Obama administration. Wonder how many more of the stimulus statistics are screwed up or will be screwed up.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Obama Warns About Double Dip Recession
Posted: 11/19/2009 6:33:31 AM
3.5% percent growth in the 3rd quarter. The highest in the 2 years since the Bushies cratered the economy. Jobs always lag. Maybe some historical perspective will help.


So with a 3.5% GDP we now have 11% unemployment, seems kind of weird. Economy is growing but the jobs are not.



One might want to check the breakdown of that 3.5% growth before starting your celebrations.

Around 50% of that was due to the Clunkers program and then there is the growth in housing due to government rebates, and then there is the government.

3.5 % probably be good numbers if the government had not been pumping money into most of the areas such as cars and housing.

http://dailycapitalist.com/2009/10/30/q3-gdp-proceed-at-risk/

 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/18/2009 8:36:58 PM

You damn right they owe it to every American...TO TELL THE DAMN TRUTH!....They got caught lying through their teeth...now they gotta put on the ol liberal spin...I...I...I...I...I...didn't lie..it was a mistake..I swear...


When will Obama and/or his administration ever use the word lie. No matter how false a statement of Obama's is, it seems that it only a misstatement, error in research, error in statistics, teleprompter error and the list of excuses for Obama goes on.

For some reason it seems we are supposed to believe that this man Obama is Perfect and does not say or do anything wrong. Its only an misstep.

How many times was Obama corrected on his Selma got me born statement, yet he kept telling it over and over and over.

Face it Obama does not really know how to tell the whole truth that often.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 387 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/18/2009 8:30:57 PM
Here's one poll I have not seen on RCP and its one of the lowest I have seen on the president.

Seems that Obama is still more liked than Congress.


President Obama's Job Approval Rating Continues to Move Downward
More than three in five Americans believe things in the country heading off on the wrong track
Press Release
Source: Harris Interactive, Inc.
On 1:00 pm EST, Monday November 16, 2009
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--As President Obama continues his trip through Asia this week, he is trying to sell both himself and his policies on the other side of the world. When he makes it back to the United States, he may have to do the same type of sell here as his approval ratings continue their downward spiral with Americans believing that the country as a whole is moving in the wrong direction. The President, and Congress for that matter, need to do something positive in the eyes of the American public to stand a chance of increasing their approval numbers in the near future.

This month, just over two in five Americans (43%) give the president positive ratings on the job he is doing while 57% give him negative ratings. This is down from last month when 45% gave President Obama positive ratings and 55% gave him negative marks and it continues the steady downward trend that has been happening since June.

These are some of the results of The Harris Poll® of 2,303 adults surveyed online between November 2 and 11, 2009 by Harris Interactive®.

When the president’s approval rating is broken down by party, it’s not surprising that over three-quarters of Democrats (77%) and just one in ten Republicans (10%) give him positive marks. Independents, however, are where the president and his advisors need to be concerned as just 37% of them give President Obama positive ratings and 63% of Independents give him negative ones.

The president is also losing Matures (those ages 64 and older). Almost two-thirds of this oldest generation (65%) are currently giving him negative marks on his overall job performance. But, he cannot rely on the youngest generations to bolster him as 43% of both Echo Boomers (those aged 18-32) and Gen Xers (those aged 33-44) give him positive ratings.

One bright spot for President Obama is that his numbers are not as bad as Congress. Over four in five Americans (83%) give Congress negative ratings on the overall job they are doing while just 17% give them positive ratings. This is almost unchanged from last month when 16% gave them positive marks and 84% gave Congress negative ratings.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/President-Obamas-Job-Approval-bw-712247849.html?x=0&.v=1
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Actress Heather Graham star of PoliticalAction Campaign
Posted: 11/18/2009 3:37:43 PM
I'm don't know if he was confused or not. What I do know is you're incorrect. In point of fact, the rebate checks during the Bush administration where expressly for the purpose of economic stimulus.


Actually there were two stimulus bills passed during GW's two terms that I remember and can back up. The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 and a stimulus in 2002.

Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008


Bush signs stripped-down economic stimulus bill
March 9, 2002 Posted: 1:24 PM EST (1824 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush Saturday signed a stripped-down version of an economic stimulus bill that extends unemployment benefits for displaced workers, but doesn't contain the tax cuts the president originally supported. http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/03/09/bush.stimulus/index.html
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Obama Warns About Double Dip Recession
Posted: 11/18/2009 3:28:20 PM

Awwww c'mon man... Have you forgotten about all those jobs being "saved or created"?


Are you talking about the ones the Obama people had to wipe off the books because they were really not there.

What scares me is that Obama promised we would not go past 8.5% and now he is predicting 11%. If we use his past record that means we might end up someplace around 15% or so unemployment or worst.

It would be nice to know when Obama just might put the breaks on his out of control spending train.

Will it be before or after we have no money left after Government taxes.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 384 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/18/2009 3:21:50 PM

November 18, 2009 - Obama Approval Dips Below 50% For First Time, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds;


Seems that Obama is getting quite a few polls that are rating him low lately.

Someone once told me that when the president is out of town his polls usually stabilize or go up. This was supposed to be due to him not being in DC and/or being in the American eye so much.

Actually Obama's polls usually have been better when he is out of the country or not running around campaigning for something. Guess it's not true with this time around.

According to RCP he now has a 51.5% approval rating. For those who want to go to RCP here is the site to back up the 51.5% rating. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

One thing I have noticed is that Obama does not seem to be getting too many polls ratings about 55% lately, even the ones that had him way of there for a while. At the end of summer Obama was maintaining about 3 polls in the 57-59% rating.
 
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