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Thread: I get too nervous to go on dates so I always cancel
fandango!
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I get too nervous to go on dates so I always cancel
Posted:
8/7/2009 11:12:34 PM
Did you get a wedding invite?
Bandito
Boy is this off topic
No biggie. Problem probably took care of itself while we talked policitcs. Grandkids comming online as we speak.
fandango!
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I get too nervous to go on dates so I always cancel
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8/7/2009 12:55:14 AM
I'm Canadian, you refered to 'Americans' as a foreign sort of thing so I thought you were from some place that didn't understand North American reality and accomplishments. It was reinforced by the ignorance of the subjegation of the entire world by British, Spanish, Dutch, French, Prtugese, Russian and on and on. All with the aid of booze and in fact, the Portugese invented hard liquor.
Canada built the world's largest geographical democracy in ice, rock and forest. All headed by an American. In fact, the manpower, vision, effort and accomplsihment is greater than any of the ancient and present wonders of the man made world. America put men on the moon. Maybe they did it using German rocket scientists but Russia sure didn't do it by using British ones.
fandango!
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I get too nervous to go on dates so I always cancel
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8/7/2009 12:20:27 AM
Can you Americans do anything without booze...If you're going to use that method then you might as well throw in some Pot/Crack/Acid and you won't even remember the date...if you do call me I want to watch for educational purposes only.Trust me...you don't need alcohol unless you really want an anxiety attack to get therapy...just work on the relaxation and use some humor.
Sure we can. We got men on the moon and built democracies in the harshest conditions on earth. And, even found time to save our home country's asses in a couple wars.
Can you people do anything without being judgemental?
fandango!
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I get too nervous to go on dates so I always cancel
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8/7/2009 12:05:45 AM
Is it normal to get really nervous? How can I control it? I sometimes just think I'm so nervous because hes not the right one and I'm wasting my time.
Pretty sure that means I'll be single forever.... this is frustrating to me.
Looking for a male order groom or somebody to have a bit of fun with that may possibly become serious? If the latter then take it like that and just go someplace where you have fun at and meet there. If it doesn't work out then just have some fun. Avoid the coffee interview like the black death as it is an anal retentive mating ritual.
Aside from that, if you can figure out if 'he is the right one' from a meeting then you ought to have your own TV syndication and be writing how to books as even people (this site proves it every day) who have been married for decades didn't evn know they were the wrong ones for each other.
In short, drag some friends with you, tell him to do same and go someplace you will have fun at - boon or bust, then have fun. All with the knowledge there are at least two single people who know who they both are at the same table.
'How will I know he is the right guy'
You don't. Just like he is asking himself the same questions. Most guys can get lucky anytime they want petty much so, those who look for a girl to spend time with on a date are actually looking for a relationship believe it or not. Not a relationship with a model or a hot chick with fifty favorites but a girl who is compatable with them. If you like fun, then best meet at a fun place and have fun cause going for a stiff jointed coffee is any indication of where my life with her would be going, I'm better on my own.
fandango!
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I get too nervous to go on dates so I always cancel
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8/6/2009 11:58:44 PM
duplicate post
fandango!
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How to get her panties really wet while chatting on msn?
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8/4/2009 11:41:18 PM
If you two are into it, get a video and audio capability and then show her how much you appreciate her having fun. I'm sure that she will enjoy watching you watch her and hopefully, the desire and enthusiasm will feed on itself.
fandango!
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For Our Eyes Only
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8/3/2009 12:13:38 AM
In the darkness, with the masks removed,
We are but children, whispering in the night.
fandango!
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Went from Hot 2 Cool overnight?
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7/21/2009 10:33:00 PM
I agree with that it was too much too fast. It takes time to establish an actual relationship and, that process, to me anyhow, should be a natural one and not a forced one simply because after months or years of nothing, 'you just get along so well.'
Some advice though; If you really liked this guy, try just saying hello from time to time, just to let him know that you are a friend and then, just relax and see how it's taken if and when he gets his head wrapped around it.
fandango!
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Are people to judgemental of other's?
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7/21/2009 11:34:51 AM
776877
The environment online encourages a 'NEXT' mentality, perhaps there is a power thing behind it too for good measure.
Definitely. It is a pretty big ocean for all us little fish so both points make complete sense.
fandango!
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7/15/2009 8:54:11 AM
Cotter
The money we send Israel every year could easily finance health care for our entire nation.
http://www.kaiseredu.org/topics_im.asp?imID=1&parentID=61&id=358
Expenditures in the United States on health care surpassed $2.2 trillion in 2007, more than three times the $714 billion spent in 1990, and over eight times the $253 billion spent in 1980.
Do you have something that says Israel receives a couple of trillion dollars per year from the US?
fandango!
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7/14/2009 10:31:22 PM
Cotter
Israel has been trying to pick a fight with Iran for many, many, many years. It would serve them right if they finally pull the trigger and no one ... especially not the US ... comes to their rescue.
Got a timeline? It certainly must have been after the war with Iraq in which they provided Iran with weapons to help them out.
Maybe you, as a 'big dog' can do a thread search to help you with that information you seem to be missing.
fandango!
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Third horse dies at Calgary Stampede
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7/14/2009 1:50:35 AM
Mungojoe
Most of what horses need to be able to do to survive "in the wild" (like there is actually much "wild" left in NA) comes naturally, even for domestic horses, and predators capable of taking down a horse are, let's just say, not particularly common in "wild" NA anymore.
Bull. Horses in the wild, like around where I live get taken down by 'predators capable' just as deer do. A fate much worse than anything imaginable judging by the sounds you hear at night in the distance when it happens and, the death by a thousand rips that it takes to bring such a beast down. The remains of a run down with birds and coyotes sucking at the guts and blood in a last stand carcass strewn area is something you never forget but, see often if you actually get out in this area.
Mungojoe
Does the entertainment value, or any particular person's to compete, actually justify that?
I think so. Far better than to only have the occasional horse as a family pet with the remainder subject to culling for trespassing on cattle land or worse, violent death in the wild.
fandango!
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7/13/2009 11:43:32 PM
Mungojoe
It changes the fact that you are pulling desperate, hopelessly wild tangents out of your ass because you got your ass kicked, how?
By sheer reality that you are not who you say you are when attempting to add any weight to your words when you say you have personal experience and degrade those who actually do. In short, one could say you are a liar if they were so inclined.
fandango!
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7/10/2009 10:26:02 AM
Mungojoe
"If you were one of those people who are SO incredibly desperate and hopelessly untalented as to go searching back through almost 2 years of posts and even other websites in order to pull some wild, off-topic tangent out of your ass..."
Didn't go searching Mungo, in order to find more of the lies you've been scamming the posters here with, I just used google with the keywords of Mungojoe and Golan to find the one I knew of from before and all these other ones popped up. Took like five minutes. Interesting that when caught in a lie, you blame the guy who catches you. Like it's my fault you're full of it huh?
Mungojoe
I'm on vacation so I have a reason to have lots of extra time on my hands, what's your excuse for having the time to sift through posts going back to more than 2 years?
Some vacation you're having. You rock!
fandango!
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7/10/2009 12:53:32 AM
Whiskeypapa
couldn't find any quotes from Mahmoud on Aljazeera, did find a few stories on the zionists slaughter of the Palestinians in Gaza, also an interesting headline: US politician urges sabotage in Iran.
You can find the source easily by entering keywords of 'al jazeera' and the quote. took me thirty seconds. However, a considerate poster would and should include the link with the quote unless it is obvious. Just to save you the trouble.
http://english.aljazeera.net/archive/2005/10/200849132648612154.html
"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.
"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.
"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.
fandango!
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7/10/2009 12:09:37 AM
Mungojoe
I very clearly stated that my only interest was to "balance the coin", to be certain that there was someone to expose the mess that so many want to sweep under the rug.
And you are willing to lie, pretend you had military service in two armies, as a Ranger, in the Golan and, ridicule others who served honorably in order to vilify Israel to do so. What a stand up guy. Your stated motives are rather suspect given the underhanded ways in which you present yourself.
Mungojoe
The right you are talking about is a right that is due all peoples on the planet, it is not the exclusive privilege of only one or a few.
Motown
I accept the Palestinian right to a homeland and a two-state solution.
Golly. Both of your agree on something. Unless of course Mungojoe the 'Ranger' is going to ask something a liar would ask when asked a direct question like 'Do you mean Palestine specifically as a Arab homeland?'
Mungojoe
'I had to duck enough IDF rounds while there to have a, well, somewhat more realistic picture of it than most natural-born North Americans '
'I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).'
'I too have been there, in a military capacity with UNTSO. Except the only people who took pot-shots at me weren't Arab or Palestinian, they were IDF and acting under orders.'
We're duckng your lies for sure but, keep coming back Mungojoe, you may make a top google rating for bullshitteer yet.
fandango!
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7/9/2009 6:01:22 AM
Yeah, whatever dude.
Wow. You belittle other's service, play faux war hero, get caught lying and then, try to place blame on guy who asks you to prove it.
I suppose to you this is normal but believe it or not, most people don't run around pretending to be something they are not.
fandango!
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7/9/2009 12:47:06 AM
Mungojoe
Really?!? I did?!?
Oh yes, you did. Not only that but you degraded thousands of former soldiers while pretending to sanctify military service and, also pretending to actually having served in an army at some point in time which, makes your bullshit all the more despicable.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/12397539datingPostpage11.aspx
If you recall, when Nurbydiver, a vet proud of his service, felt that possibly you never served. You retorted;
Mugojoe retorting.........
Actually, I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
And, added more in another post;
Mungojoe
Considering you are writing this on the 65th anniversary of D-Day, you should have a bit more shame and respect for members of both forces. Your disrespect for the members of the Canadian Forces is despicable and not worthy of comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Nurbydiver realized his comments were wrong, and apoligised.
Let me apologize to current and former members of the CF,
I then said;
I'm twenty years Army, eight of them Airborne with four tours of the ME, last one during the Gulf War. Misunderstanding accepted.
And this is where you show your true colors. Using my service record, brief as it may appear in a the one line post above, you, the guy who is supposedly sticking up for vets, use it as a weapon with which to personally attack me for my thoughts;
Mungojoe
Of course, I don't realy expect you to get all that.
Why? Simply because after finding out I was in the army for 20 years unlike you, you felt that;
Mungojoe
were starting to get a bit of insight into where the behaviour that got our airborne regiment got shut down comes from. 2 Commando, perhaps?
You brought this up again in this thread to attack my ideas and this, Mungojoe, is where you tied it all in;
Mungojoe
Your comments remind me of the ignorant *sswipe thugs that infected 2 Commando, resulting in the disbanding of CAR
And now, because of all this, you are a free fire zone as you not only cannot recognize Israel's right to exist under any circumstances (which is fair enough under free thought and speech as we practice on these forums) but, feel that military vets are simple fodder for your selfish ideas. You probably never served in any army and, as for the bull about 'Ranger' I can check that one out in an hour as I was CDN Pathfinder and have the connections to do so, provided you wish to allow me to verify. If you don't, then I can give you the e mail and you can send the info yourself and they can second hand the affirmation back to me which will gain you an apology from myself for doubting you as we all know that a Ranger or CDN Pathfinder never lies. As for the Golan, you've had ample opportunity to provide the incidences of Israel deliberately, and under orders shooting and bombing Observers and Peacekeepers yet have provided squat.
In any case, I wish you were on vacation all the time as this is entertaining, watching you and Motown duke it out, knowing your full of it under all the faux indignation and righteous bull. I've also seen your echo chamber and, the same bull you gave them. That they bought it doesn't mean it works, I take you about as seriously as I do the new 'Stooges' movie.:roll:
Wondering, when you were 14 and the Yom Kippor ended, what was it like being the youngest Observer - ever?
fandango!
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7/8/2009 10:37:06 PM
Even Egypt, the POL and Jordan who were at war with Israel did it. Mungojoe must be a hard case. Needs a vacation or something.
:roll:
Here, watch this;
I accept the right of the Palestinian people to exist as a nation and, if they choose to name it so, I accept the right of Palestine to exist.
There. Whew! That wasn't so hard. Now all we have to do is work out the details on how we figure this should all be done so at least we, here on this forum, can agree on something
fandango!
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7/8/2009 10:13:38 PM
Mungojoe
As for our dear little Fannie (or is that Packer?), I have no intention of indulging his wild little off-topic tangents that he's pulled out of his ass just because he's trying to distract from getting his ass kicked on the topic under discussion so, all I have to say on that is: suck it up big boy.
Ooooo. Name calling and 'off tangent' when you yourself decided to bring up military service as a point of discussion, even having used some fictitious service of your own to prove some bogus point. And now the anger inside you when being called on a lie you just can't waffle out of you consider a distraction? Some vacation you're having throwing keyboards and empty beer bottles around in anger as you yell 'fannie!'
See, I know your contentions are all just lies cause I've been there, twice. And, it has everything to do with this discussion because if you are willing to invent military service and minimize the sacrifices others had given in the process just to villify Israel, your other points are just biased words. The ass 'whuppin' I gave you in the last two pages proves that.
Leg.
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7/8/2009 7:13:53 PM
Mungojoe
At least I have proof that I can get laid.
Yes I imagine the bottom feeders go for lines and lies like;
'You remind me of my Grandma except I haven't slept with you yet. '
'I had to duck enough IDF rounds while there to have a, well, somewhat more realistic picture of it than most natural-born North Americans '
'Mind if i stand here until it's safe where i farted? '
'I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).'
'I may not be the best looking here, but I'm the only one talking to you. '
'I too have been there, in a military capacity with UNTSO. Except the only people who took pot-shots at me weren't Arab or Palestinian, they were IDF and acting under orders.'
fandango!
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7/8/2009 12:38:56 AM
How's the time off going Mungo? Can you clarify this item up for us?
I had to duck enough IDF rounds while there to have a, well, somewhat more realistic picture of it than most natural-born North Americans
Must have been hell. What was the war like grampa?
fandango!
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7/7/2009 10:44:50 PM
Mungojoe
Once again you misunderstand (quelle surprise)
I'm not going away, I just won't get tired of giving you a butt-whuppin'.
I understood Mungojoe, I too have 24/7 access to the net so will be checking in every now and then to see if you have been able to fabricate some supporting material for your lies about your military service. Pers0nally, I find it detestable that in this day and age you would belittle the contributions of so many brave people by pretending to have served but, to each his own.
Oh, and as for the 'butt whuppin', I noticed all the points you dropped when I destroyed them two pages ago.
So, tell us all about your service in the Golan.
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7/7/2009 9:26:18 PM
Define 'right to exist?'
was intended to link your bullshit to the waffling of Clinton when he was under fire ("define sex.") I suppose that given the lies you have to keep track of that this went right over your head.
Mungojoe
P.S. I'm on vacation and will be for another 2 months. I'm not the least bit tired and your use of abject stupidity as a debating strategy won't wear me down in the least.
Two months vacation huh? Figure that we will have forgotten about the lie of your military service on the Golan by then?
Have a good one ''General!'
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7/7/2009 3:04:30 PM
Mungojoe
Even a 6th grader could understand that I asked him to clarify what he meant by "Israel"
My ability to read is fine however, your ability to define what is meant by Israel has a right to exist seems a bit messed up.
MM
Israel has a right to exist.
Mungojoe
Do you mean Israel as a nation in the usual definition of a specific geographic region with more or less defined boundries containing a self-governing community of people (regardless of who is "running the show" whether they are jewish, muslim, christian, etc.)?
Like I said, just about anybody and everybody knows what is meant as the question is a complete unit meaning Israel as it is and has been since they accepted UN Resolution 181 and became a nation and therefore, there's no need to qualify the question with Clinton like bullshit but, from your record of bullshitting on your military service, it comes as no surprise.
fandango!
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7/6/2009 11:48:04 PM
Define 'right to exist?'
Even Egyptians, the PLO, Jordanians, Syrian shop keepers ,as well as the Lebanese cabbie I used in Calgary the other week understood and understand that one but Mungo? Uh uh. He's absolutely stumped.
Mungojoe!
fandango!
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7/6/2009 11:22:20 PM
Mungojoe
Geez Fannie, you change your "contention" more often than my dear Aunt Emma changes her Depends.
Actually Mungojoe, let's stop right here for a moment and clear up your service record. You said;
What he said.......
I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
I was willing to let this go but, in light of the slur against my service and the ridicule above I bring it back. You've been unable or unwilling to supply detailed evidence of these deaths (at one point in order to pull off your lie, you gave fatality statistics from global UN missions and then, extrapolated some figure from decades of work which pertains to all UN missions bordering with Israel which is akin to pulling it out of your ass) but nothing which speaks of the service you performed on the Golan and, subsequently, the deaths of Peacekeepers which you yourself know of through being there as you alluded.
Now, please where you were stationed, when were you there, what was your function and, what events you personally knew of that occured while you were there that lead you to believe that Israel enjoyed shooting and bombing Peacekeepers on the Golan.
Say, ever do the Wadi Patrol? What a hoot! Doubt it though cause you probably have no idea of what I'm talking about do you? Anyhow, the only deaths that occurred on the two tours I was there on (one of which was in UNEF HQ Damascus in the Ops center) were poor Palestinian kids getting shot by our nervous Finns and Austrians and that, was a very rare occurrence in fact, only one death occurred in my second tour with the other being over a year prior to and I only knew of it by going through the Op briefing reports form my predecessor) . So, I should be very interested to hear about the events you speak of.
Methinks I'm dealing with a bullshitter here. In which point, all the crap you spew in your sarcastic postings is like a fart in the wind.
So, you got it or not?
fandango!
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7/5/2009 8:51:18 PM
Mungojoe
"The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."
So, how was the situation ever going to be diffused considering Israel could not sustain the alert status in response to the acts of war Egypt and the Arab armies committed?
That is my contention. Are you just being a twit or do you have a viable alternative other than to have beaten them back?
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7/5/2009 5:47:06 PM
Mungo
No, I don't.
Yes you do. Whatever the quotes you have supplied (and I do thank you for them as it presents an angle that I was unaware of prior) does not provide another possible alternative in light of the massed armies, broken armistice and self admitted and obvious intent to attack by the Arab armies.
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7/5/2009 2:48:24 PM
mungojoe
Do I really need to repeat them ONE MORE TIME (with ever more emphasis)?
No, you need to show that the Arabs meant peace and explain how this was going to end with them all going home without firing a shot.
Remember, the Arabs broke the Armistice;
"2. No aggressive action by the armed forces - land, sea, or air - of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other; it being understood that the use of the term "planned" in this context has no bearing on normal staff planning as generally practised in military organisations."
Blockading the Straights, expelling UNEF and, amassing a half million troops dirrectly on Israel's borders.
And of course, the rhetoric;
Rhetoric
Nasser: "We will not accept any...coexistence with Israel...Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel....The war with Israel is in effect since 1948"
More Nasser: "As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."
And More: "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight"
Syria: "Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation"
Iraq: "The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map"
So Mungojoe, given that the Arabs started this war, massed their troops on the border and made these statements, how was this going to end given that Israel could not keep up it's alert status indefinitely as their army consisted mostly of people that were required to keep the country working?
Also wondering, were you bullshitting about Israel liking to shoot and bomb peacekeepers on the Golan? Why? Don't you deal in truth or is it just a hate Israel thing you have going? And were you really there or is that another lie?
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Mungojoe
Yes, I do... from generals and leaders, heroes of the War of Independence... and they all contradict your assertion.
And I acknowledge that. I also acknowledge that Israel was in no danger of being wiped out at that time however, you still have not dealt with the act of war that the Arabs conducted by using 'bad intel' or whatever. I know you have a reading problem so I typed this again, real slow for you .............
what have you that states the presence of the Arab armies was a benign presence bearing olive branches? After all, the Armistice says;
"2. No aggressive action by the armed forces - land, sea, or air - of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other; it being understood that the use of the term "planned" in this context has no bearing on normal staff planning as generally practised in military organisations."
So, unless amassing the entire armed forces in an attack position on the borders of another country is a planned exercise, this was an act of war.
Explain.
As well, I typed this one out slow for you as well;
Your stats on the UN deaths does not address the question I posed. Have you a reading problem? I asked;
When were you there, what was your job, where were you stationed and can you tell us some of these incidents where Peacekeepers on the Golan were shot and bombed with uncanny regularity?
After all, you said........
What he said
I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
Now, you were the one bragging about how you were there, cut the shit and tell us all about how Israel likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity on the Golan according to your experience there.
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Mungojoe, bad intel or not, and I'll repeat;
A half million men all geared on the borders of Israel with enough anti Jew rhetoric to fuel the Huffington Post for a week and, the Arab world whipped up to see a Jewish bloodbath or die of an erection, what were they doing if not about to attack?
You have quotes from the Israeli leaders post war, what have you that states the presence of the Arab armies was a benign presence bearing olive branches? After all, the Armistice says;
"2. No aggressive action by the armed forces - land, sea, or air - of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other; it being understood that the use of the term "planned" in this context has no bearing on normal staff planning as generally practised in military organisations."
So, unless amassing the entire armed forces in an attack position on the borders of another country is a planned exercise, this was an act of war.
Explain.
Your stats on the UN deaths does not address the question I posed. Have you a reading problem? I asked;
When were you there, what was your job, where were you stationed and can you tell us some of these incidents where Peacekeepers on the Golan were shot and bombed with uncanny regularity?
After all, you said........
What he said
I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
Now cut the shit and tell us all about how Israel likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity on the Golan according to your experience there.
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Mungojoe
Excuse me dear but...
You may call me Fandango or fan if you like.
Mungojoe
The Straits of Tiran was open from 1957 to 1967 and for the two years prior to 1967 it was not used by Israeli flagged ships, Israeli strategic supplies were delivered to its Mediterranean ports. Foreign flagged ship were not blocked during this period nor specifically after the 1967 closing.
Oh golly. So what difference does it make? Blockading it to Israelis ships is still an act of war, even if the ships didn't need to use it.
Mungojoe
Uh oh, there goes that reading problem again...
Ya you can say that again;
Fandango
The Arabs would have just turned and gone home. Explained to their people that the Jews aren't that bad after all? Come now Mungo.
Mungojoe
I'll repeat, with bolding this time...
And I'll repeat; A half million menall geared on the borders of Israel with enough anti Jew rhetoric to fuel the Huffington Post for a week and, the Arab world whipped up to see a Jewish bloodbath or die of an erection, what were they doing if not about to attack? You can search your Wikipedia for quotes to blame Israel but they sure as hell didn't invite the entire Arab military to their doorstep complete with plans to destroy Israel as well as giving command to the Egyptians. What on earth were they doing there Mungo?
Explain this please, not simply wallow in post game Israeli bravado.
Mungojoe
Not "could" or "do" but, "DID". A 'straight-up-pants-down-whuppin''.
Actually, you seemed to have dropped a few points along the away namely;
Your contention that Israel sends out bulldozers specifically to crush protestors;
"The War of Attrition was merely a continuation of this war started by Israel."
"The '73 Yom Kippur War would never have started if not for the continued, unrelenting occupation of Palestinian, Syrian and Egyptian territory that resulted from Israel's war of aggression in '67."
"In the '78 invasion of Lebanon, it was Israel who did the attacking."
"In the '82 invasion of Lebanon and the subsequent 8 yr occupation, it was Israel that did the attacking."
And my question to your comment which you seem to keep overlooking;
Mungojoe
I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
When were you there, what was your job, where were you stationed and can you tell us some of these incidents where Peacekeepers on the Golan were shot and bombed with uncanny regularity?
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I haven't, but perhaps you have. The biggest profiteer is the one who controls which denomination oil is traded in. The value of the USD is tied to the value of oil.
It's a unit of measurement for pricing. Nobody is physically exchanging anything unless they don't have a bank account. In which case, if buying from Bolivia for example, they'd have to have a suitcase full of pesos or whatever equal to the amount of oil they were buying measured on the pesos/dollar exchange rate for that particular day.
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Mungojoe
I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
When were you there, what was your job, where were you stationed and can you tell us some of these incidents where Peacekeepers on the Golan were shot and bombed with uncanny regularity?
Mungojoe
No Israeli flagged ship had traversed the Straits of Tiran in the previous two years. All of Israel's strategic materials delivered by sea were delivered to their Mediterranean ports.
Kidding me? There's a reason for that in that Eilat wasn't a port until 1955 then shipping was closed though the straights. Foreign flagged ships destined for Israel were not permitted to enter or exit.
Mungojoe
Beyond that, you are stretching the definition of "No aggressive action by the armed forces - land, sea, or air - of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other" beyond the breaking point.
When your ships and goods are confiscated going through the Suez, that to me, combined with the closure of the Straight of Tiran to your shipping is an act of war. As stated earlier, with your argument, the Jordanians could simply get water from Greece if that is the rationale you wish to use.
Mungojoe
I'll repeat the in context quote for you again. Maybe you can understand them this time.
They must have got some really shitty intel but, no matter for my argument. When you amass four armies on the doorstep with close to a half million men, it is definitely in violation of the armistice. Coupled with the out of context rhetoric and, the fact of traversing hundreds of miles to do so in Egypt's case, all bets are off.
And you blame Bush for not finding WMDs yet see no problem here. Long as it's poor Arabs who got the shitty intel and Jews on the other end, it's ok in your book.
Mungo
Mungojoe
But the real kicker in this is your complete and utter failure to acknowledge the following admissions by the Generals and leaders of Israel itself that the line you are spewing was and is utter BS.
Oh, I'll acknowledge that. Hell, Israel was in fine fighting form at that time, and motivated. You put a pissed off dog on my porch and at the merest provocation I'll attack it. At that time, Nasser gave Israel what the hawks wanted - a cementation of 1948.
Just for interest, here is what a friend of mine was listening to when she was 12
Egyptian leader Gamal Abdul Nasser's radio station Voice of the Arabs spoke in Hebrew.
"We have nothing for Israel except war - comprehensive war... marching against its gangs, destroying and putting an end to the whole Zionist existence... every one of the 100 million Arabs has been living for the past 19 years on one hope - to live to die on the day that Israel is liquidated."
Mungojoe
NONE OF THEM actually believed that Israel was actually under any threat of attack.
The Arabs would have just turned and gone home. Explained to their people that the Jews aren't that bad after all? Come now Mungo.
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Mungojoe
And you know what else dude, I've actualy read the armistice agreement. It don't say squat about Israeli access to the Strait of Tiran or the Suez. Both of these waterways are within Egyptian territory, that kind of gives them an element of sovereignty, hmmm?
Might want to read it again;
"2. No aggressive action by the armed forces - land, sea, or air - of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other; it being understood that the use of the term "planned" in this context has no bearing on normal staff planning as generally practised in military organisations."
You can add the Convention of Constantinople (1888) to your assignment as well. As well, A blockade is normally seen as an act of war.
Mungojoe
Interesting, no where in there is any mention of an actual Egyptian attack.
Golly. You really had better go back and study the agreement.
2. No aggressive action by the armed forces - land, sea, or air - of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other;
3. The right of each Party to its security and freedom from fear of attack by the armed forces of the other shall be fully respected.
Expelling UNEF is an obvious action in violation of the intent of the armistice as is placing your military in position to attack. This action was followed by these quotes;
"As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."
The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united ..."
"Our basic objection will be the destruction of Israel. "
"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel."
"Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two ..."
"This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."
So, with the armies of their enemies in violation of the armistice and uttering rhetoric such as that, the intent is clear and, the transgression has begun.
Mungojoe
How about this timeline?
OOOO. Squabbles between nations. That's good enough reason to kill every last man woman and child in Israel. LOL. Sides, the Jordanians can go to Greece to get water, I mean, to you it was nothing to expect Israel to have to put on an extra ten thousand Trudeau units to ship their goods when the Suez was closed to them so, what's the big deal here?
Mungojoe
Egypt reiterates its request the UNEF forces withdraw for their own protection in the event of an IDF attack as indicated in the Soviet intelligence report. "The armies of Egypt, Jordan and Syria are poised on the borders of Israel ...
Seems Nasser felt the UN was protecting Israel rather than the other way around - ""As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. "
After they expelled the UN and pushed unopposed across the Sinai and didn't see one Israeli battle group. Sounds like after they didn't find an invasion force they might have had second thoughts but hey, why let reality come in the way of an Arab dream of killing every last Jew?
Mungojoe
You may notice that I also included many of those statements you listed except, I didn't take them out of context. Isn't it amazing how the story starts to change when seen in their proper context?
Not really. Something in line with "we are only showing up here on the borders of Israel to make a statement to stop being naughty" rather than "Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map." would be in order if your case is to be made.
Mungojoe
I can, you know. I can do it all day... and loving it.
The Little Mungojoe That Could. Please do. But, before you go any further with this, can you clear the following up?
Mungojoe
I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
When were you there, what was your job, where were you stationed and can you tell us some of these incidents where Peacekeepers on the Golan were shot and bombed with uncanny regularity?
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7/4/2009 8:55:48 PM
Whiskypapa
The US created and funded the Mujhideen
Holy! Don't you think 'created' and 'funded' without mentioning the scores of Afghan, Pakistani, Tajik factions as well as the tens of thousands of west hating radicals from all over the Middle East involved along with the supporting nations of Asia and Europe is a bit strong? So, if what you say is true, when the Soviets invaded, everybody in Afghanistan sat around waiting for an American, any American, somebody, anybody to parachute in and show them the way? Then, once they agreed to allowing them to fight for the USA, they sat around once again and waited for payroll to show up and have them sign up for their benefit packages, then, wait once more for guns and ammo to arrive.
I think a more plausible reality is that the Mujhideen existed from the git go and the Arab world used this as a Muslim uniting cause and fired money, arms and recruits at it. The US, China, Pakistan and a host of others saw it was against their nemesis the USSR and gladly jumped in anyway they could. So, your statement should, I believe, read 'The US helped fund and sustain the Mujhideen.'
To say 'created' takes everything away from Islam in this struggle. Something I would expect few, Osama Bin Laden as well as all of the Muslim world would agree with you on.
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Mungojoe
how did I know to mention it? You seem to forget that many of these incidents haven't been well kept secrets (kind of hard to do when you cause indiscriminate civilian casualties in the process). I do truly like your uncanny ability to assume others cannot know those things which you know nothing about.
Well, let’s hear your version of the bombs under the bed assassinations supported by reputable media then Mungo. Some examples without the usual over inflated propaganda collateral casualties would be in order as any fool can just pull numbers out of their ass.
Mungojoe
when that bulldozer is there to steal land or crush civilian protesters? Even the circumstance you described does not make it a "war zone".
A bit over the top don’t you think? Even a die hard Palestinian Hamas supporter would have problems equating leveling a home occupied by a suicide bomber or, one under which a tunnel used to smuggle in Iranian rockets with a deliberate and costly mob of a D12 Armored bulldozer simply to crush a civilian protestor.
In any case, enemy logistics is a valid target. A home used to prepare for battle or, disguising a tunnel used to ship materials of war is a valid target just like a military supply line would be.
Mungojoe
comments remind me of the ignorant *sswipe thugs that infected 2 Commando, resulting in the disbanding of CAR
Which comments Mungo? And you still did not clarify the following;
Mungojoe
I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
When were you there, what was your job, where were you stationed and can you tell us some of these incidents where Peacekeepers on the Golan were shot and bombed with uncanny regularity?
Mungojoe
the Israeli War of Independence, every single war except the '73 Yom Kippur War was intiated by Israel.
Really? I’d like to see your sources.
Mungojoe
the '56 Suez Crisis, it was Israel who did the attacking.
After Egypt conducted a virtual blockade of Israel by cutting off the Red Sea and ability to use the Suez.. All in violation with the Armistice of 1949..
Mungojoe
the '67 6 Day War and the subsequent occupations (some of which still continue today), it was Israel who did the attacking.
Mungo! Where do you get this stuff from? Here, some quotes;
May 17: Cairo Radio's Voice of the Arabs: "All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel."
May 18: Voice of the Arabs announces: "As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."
May 18: Nasser announces blockade of Straits of Tiran in the Red Sea, severing Israel's southern maritime link to the outside world. Israel considers the closure an act of war. (US President Lyndon Johnson later says: "If a single act of folly was more responsible for this explosion than any other it was the arbitrary and dangerous announced decision that the Straits of Tiran would be closed.")
May 20: Syria's defence minister (now president) Hafez el-Assad says: "Our forces are now ready not only to repulse the aggression but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united ..."
May 27: Nasser: "Our basic objection will be the destruction of Israel. "
May 30: Nasser : "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel."
My 31: Egyptian newspaper Al Akhbar reports: "Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two ..."
May 31: Iraqi President Rahman Aref announces: "This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."
That last one has the ring of Amadinijad doesn’t it?
Let’s see, ‘67 marked Nasser giving UNEF 24 hours to clear the Sinai and then blockading Israel again and moving his forces (freshly kitted out courtesy of the USSR) through the UN lines in the Sinai and massed on the southern border of Israel. The peace loving Syrians, Lebanese and Jordanians also massed on their respective borders preparing for a full scale attack. Israel, knowing they were not the welcome wagon and, with the ceasefire broken by Egypt preemptively took out the Egyptian air capability then followed suit with the others.
Mungojoe
The War of Attrition was merely a continuation of this war started by Israel.
Where the hell do you get this stuff from Mungo? Egypt started this one in order to place pressure on Israel to give up the Sinai with terms favorable to Egypt. Israel gained nothing and, stood to gain nothing by conducting this so please, cite your sources.
Mungojoe
The '73 Yom Kippur War would never have started if not for the continued, unrelenting occupation of Palestinian, Syrian and Egyptian territory that resulted from Israel's war of aggression in '67.
Gee. Thought they all had a armistice agreement so why would they be attacking anybody? Interestingly enough, in Egypt it is known as the ‘October War’ and, pretty much the only war in which the Arabs can claim they should have won. And won they would have were it not for the support of evil Uncle Sam landing supplies from stateside right onto the battlefield.
Mungojoe
In the '78 invasion of Lebanon, it was Israel who did the attacking.
They were attacking who? (Hint - PLO after being attacked themselves)
Mungojoe
In the '82 invasion of Lebanon and the subsequent 8 yr occupation, it was Israel that did the attacking.
Once again, they were attacking who?
Mungojoe
This "Oh, we're constantly under attack" BS might fly if THE MAJORITY of the wars had not actualy been started by Israel or Israel at least returned to its '67 borders WITHOUT continuing its strangle-hold over Palestinian civilians IN THEIR OWN LAND. Of course, they have refused to do that for over 40 years, all due to the strangle-hold that the radical zionists have on the Israeli gov't.
looks like the BS dos fly as the majority were started by Arabs Mungo. Anyhow, I’ll sum up for you; Everybody wanted to wipe them out from day one, armistice broken by Egypt to weaken them enough to wipe out, UN lines broken and combined forces amassed on all borders of Israel to once again - wipe them out, giving up, Egypt begins War of Attrition to wear down Israeli resolve to gain back Sinai, losing that, surprise attack combined with Syria for purpose of - wiping them out.
Mungojoe
The Israeli gov't and the radical zionists who control it bear every bit as much blame as the Arab nations and more so than the Palestinians in the occupied territories.
I think that if, after sixty years, people were still trying to wipe my country out, I would be equally stingy with my security as well. In any case, it’s easy to see why you believe as you do.
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You act like the Israelis have no right to their own land, have no provocation to retaliate, no history of threat by militant groups...it's all one way in your world. Stop pontificating that anti-Israeli propaganda to me. Save it for the group that's eager to jump on your bandwagon. I'll walk....
Many do, not just Mungo. They forget that the Arabs flat out rejected partition while the Israelis accepted it and the borders yet, were attacked from day one and, continued to be attacked over the years. The land from which they were attacked from was taken and used as defensive positions against further attacks.
That's not saying that Israel is without sin as they should not be using that land to further their own propagation be it temporary or permanent rather, it should be used for what it was intended - a bulwark against the irrational hatred much of the Arab world has against them.
There's four problems happening here which prevent peace from breaking out - Israel needs a track record from a stable entity proving they are committed to peace before any progress can be made as they won't, nor can they be expected to give up one iota of security given the forces against them (four nations of the original six and the Palestinians) have not agreed to unconditional peace; - the Palestinians have not had an environment or government with the strength to transpose flash in the pan peace initiatives into a lasting and convincing negotiating entity; - forces within Israel profit from the use of captured and occupied land thus adding fuel to any anti peace initiative and last; - Palestinian groups wishing true peace (and yes, they are there as you have observed) do not find fertile ground on which to apostatize their theism as some groups in Palestine (such as Hamas) remain in power using an anti Israel fervor and are hard pressed to give both up.
That's not to say that it can never happen however, the cycle of hatred has to be broken with poor behavior on both sides frowned upon. Myself, I believe that a concrete start would be giving up the settlements in return for a treaty and, paying rent to the PA for use of the land with financial penalties for any actions not in spirit with the agreement. Possibly once they have something in common such as a financial agreement they might cross a psychological barrier and make progress in other areas. One thing is for certain, continual berating of Israel is only going to encourage Palestinians to keep using their own as fodder for propaganda which in turn, will only increase protectionism by the Israelis and the IDF as they carry out their prime function which is to stop attacks and attackers at any cost.
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7/3/2009 10:26:06 PM
Mungojoe
Did you even read what you responded too or are you simply unable to comprehend it?
Yes I did however, knowing that secret clandestine assassinations are not part of your knowledge base felt that we could move onto something that I knew you would bring up anyhow and thus skip a step.
Mungojoe
And what about when it happens simply because some radical zionist group wants their land for their own little plush, gated community?
What about when it occurs while stealing someone else's farm simply because their farm happens to be where you want to put your new settlement?
This is something that both you and I can agree on. I see the reasons why in that the land cannot be permitted to be returned and used by Palestinians until there is complete peace however, being a democracy with all the bribery and corruption as well as a free economy, certain parties have good reason in Israel to place pressure on the government for use of this land.
Mungojoe
Oh, and the occupied territories are hardly a "war zone"
When there is an armored bulldozer tearing down a house with a tunnel underneath it sure is.
Mungojoe
(I'm seeing definite hints of 2 Commando *sswipes in these lines).
Explain this comment please. Not that it means much coming from somebody that can't stick to one job, much less a country or army, you just have my curiosity piqued.
Oh, shoot, you forgot to address this comment;
Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that covets the land of others, invades nations, occupies their land and kills their people?
Unlike the Arabs who began this cycle of death by invading Israel who, was intent on abiding by Res 181 with six armies the day after they declared independence and, their intent to adhere to the Resolution.
(May 15, 1948), Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, at Cairo press conference, (reported in the New York Times, May 16, 1948) declared "jihad", a holy war. He then stated:
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".
"We desire death like you desire life." Try making peace with that. Mungo.
Mungojoe
Actually, I have, for several years, Army to be exact and in the Canadian Army, also for several years and a tour as a UN peacekeeper on the Golan (where the IDF likes to shoot and bomb peacekeepers with uncanny regularity).
Could you elaborate on the incidents where Peacekeepers were shot and bombed with 'uncanny regularity' by Israel please Mungo? And wondering, what was your job while there and, where were you stationed?
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Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that places bombs under its enemies beds and blows up innocent men, women and children in the process?
When they are attacked from those locations and the enemy has a stated policy of using women and children as human shields for furtherance of attacking your women and children, then yes.
Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."
Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that steals the land of others for its own use, denies them their living and bulldozes their homes even when the family is still inside?
When those are the homes used to prepare for suicide attacks and usage as tunnels to bring in more weapons to kill Israli citizens then sure.
Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that crushes people with tanks and heavy equipment, that bombs schools and hospitals, that shoots children in the head?
Do you refer to peaceniks in a war zone deliberately placinbg themselves in the way of armored bulldozers during a military operation?
Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that covets the land of others, invades nations, occupies their land and kills their people?
Unlike the Arabs who began this cycle of death by invading Israel who, was intent on abiding by Res 181 with six armies the day after they declared independence and, their intent to adhere to the Resolution.
(May 15, 1948), Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, at Cairo press conference, (reported in the New York Times, May 16, 1948) declared "jihad", a holy war. He then stated:
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".
"We desire death like you desire life." Try making peace with that. Mungo.
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Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that places bombs under its enemies beds and blows up innocent men, women and children in the process?
When they are attacked from those locations and the enemy has a stated policy of using women and children as human shields for furtherance of attacking your women and children, then yes.
Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."
Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that steals the land of others for its own use, denies them their living and bulldozes their homes even when the family is still inside?
When those are the homes used to prepare for suicide attacks and usage as tunnels to bring in more weapons to kill Israli citizens then sure.
Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that crushes people with tanks and heavy equipment, that bombs schools and hospitals, that shoots children in the head?
Do you refer to peaceniks in a war zone deliberately placinbg themselves in the way of armored bulldozers during a military operation?
Mungojoe
You mean a "rational" democracy that covets the land of others, invades nations, occupies their land and kills their people?
Unlike the Arabs who began this cycle of death by invading Israel who, was intent on abiding by Res 181 with six armies the day after they declared independence and, their intent to adhere to the Resolution.
(May 15, 1948), Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, at Cairo press conference, (reported in the New York Times, May 16, 1948) declared "jihad", a holy war. He then stated:
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".
"We desire death like you desire life." Try making peace with that. Mungo.
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Are they gonna kill Grandma?
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7/2/2009 9:18:47 PM
Good point! Hard to find a politician who isn't hypocritical though much less one who does not aid and abets the killing of others. Heck, even Obama is guilty as was Clinton, Nixon and all the others before.
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Are they gonna kill Grandma?
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7/2/2009 8:44:12 PM
Super Ryan
Here are some highlights that go beyond "spare parts".
So where is this massive military aid that dwarfs that of the USSR and France? And yes, I do read my links prior to posting them. Possibly you might want to go back to where the ratios of military aid came from and start over as a few cluster bombs do not add up to fifty billion dollars.
Super Ryan
Well I don't have a list, but I can give you some of the timeline.
Uh huh. A time line. Right. Where is the list of chemical weapons supplied by the US?
Super Ryan
Still think the US government had little involvement in arming Iraq?
Yep. Less than a percent. Their equipment is all Russian. The US shipped non-U.S. origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq. And where a key component in a weapon was not readily available, the United States government decided to make the component available, directly or indirectly.
Take a close look at the chart Ryan, the years '83 - 88. The Soviet Union gave 14 billion, France 3 billion, China 5 billion, US 200 million, Egypt 400 million and 'Others one and a half billion for a total of 24 billion.
If you are going to make any sort of argument, you would have to at least bring the aid the US provided up to at least France's and even then, it is still dwarfed by China and the Soviets. Have you any information that the clandestine arming referred to in the link amounted to even close to those numbers? If so, what major tanks, fighter planes and all were provided as ammo, key components and vehicles don't come to that amount? The point you seem to attempt to put forward is that most of the equipment has been provided in one way or another by America when that is a complete distortion of reality.
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Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
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7/2/2009 6:16:50 PM
An expert;
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html
BERGEN: This is one of those things where you cannot put it out of its misery.
The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.
The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.
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Are they gonna kill Grandma?
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7/2/2009 5:29:07 PM
Super Ryan
If you had read the whole page, you might have seen the following:
The full extent of these transfers is not yet known, and details do not appear in the SIPRI Arms Transfers Database, which relies entirely on open sources.
I did SR. Want to know what those transfers were and why? They were spare parts for Soviet weaponry as the USSR couldn't keep up with the demand by Iraq. That would be anything from AK rounds to alternators for a BMP80. To even come close to a percentage point of the total arms Iraq chewed through during that period from France and the USSR would be a feat indeed.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/iraq61.pdf
Super Ryan
The list does not include chemical weapons, either.
OMG! I wonder why? Perhaps there were none to include? You of course can supply the inventory of CWs supplied to Iraq by the US and all the other countries listed for our perusal?
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
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7/1/2009 7:23:18 PM
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Soooo ... then maybe if there are groups of people currently committing holocausts on other neighboring peoples ... they might eventually be forced to not only stop the killings ...
... but might also actually be held responsible and might have to not only offer an apology but also reparations?
That would be affirmative Cotter. So, if this was to become policy for the world, where should we start? Chronologically would be best which places us around the first century at least with the Roman conquests and, possibly well before which would place slavery and the Holocaust near the end of the list. I, as part Spanish/ English/ Scottish/ Swedish/ Finnish would like an apology and some moolah from the descendants of the Moors/ Roman/ Germans/ Russians/ Norwegians/ Danes and, the Aboriginal side of me would accept the same from pretty much all of the above as well as many others.
This I believe would send the proper message.
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Senate plans to apologize to blacks. Do you know there is STILL no federal anti-lynching law?
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7/1/2009 9:49:43 AM
Yes. There is a growing global movement asking for money as well as an apology. The apology, while proper, is a step that will be used by reparation groups to fight for money. Were you unaware of this?
http://www.manilasites.com/naacpncgreensboro/discuss/msgReader$251?mode=topic&y=2005&m=7&d=13
"Absolutely, we will be pursuing reparations from companies that have historical ties to slavery and engaging all parties to come to the table," Dennis C. Hayes, interim president and chief executive officer of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said yesterday at the group's 96th annual convention here.
"Many of the problems we have now including poverty, disparities in health care and incarcerations can be directly tied to slavery."
And it's not just for slavery either;
http://www.naacp.org/advocacy/theadvocate/rat_sped/july_07/reparations/index.htm
The Globalization of Reparations Movements
As Germany and other interests that profited owed reparations to Jews following the holocaust of Nazi persecution, America and other interests that profited owe reparations to blacks following the holocaust of African slavery which has carried forward from slavery's inception for 350-odd years to the end of U.S. government-embraced racial discrimination.
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Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
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7/1/2009 12:03:26 AM
One thing that Osama and the USA agree with is that he was not working for the US. If he were ever proven to have done so it would make him an Apostate and subject to death at the hands of his followers.
Only morons make this connection.
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WHOOPS!!! Missing governor Mark Sanford was meeting lover in Argentina
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6/30/2009 11:44:20 PM
I hate to pile onto this moron but he is, above adultery, non performance of job, theft of government funds etc, also guilty of 'John Carpenterism,' which is, subsequently having lovers that are virtual clones of their predecessor. Akin to being a creepy sort of collector.
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