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Thread: Barack Obama’s longtime pastor.
jumpingraindrops
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Barack Obama’s longtime pastor.
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3/21/2008 12:28:23 PM
I'm betting you cannot actually prove one single instance of taxpayer dollars funding abortion with the possible exception of saving the life of a destitute mother.
Define exactly what you mean by "conservative" and liberal" and we'll talk, if you can do it without the insults. I'm not so sure, though, that a "conservative" government that wants to roll back any and all gun laws while outlawing adult sex toys has a leg to stand on.
All of which has exactly nothing to do with the fact that people who have no issue with a president who gets advice from flagrantly holyroller ministers are taking major umbrage at these words from Obaba's minister - it's just ludicrous. Seems to me like a lot of "conservatives" want things both ways. Or is that immoral?
jumpingraindrops
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Barack Obama’s longtime pastor.
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3/21/2008 11:27:49 AM
Only a white guy could actually believe that we are "one nation with 50+ years of equal rights." Try living in a different skin, and you'll think differently.
I'm sick of corporations and fundamentalist christian churches standing around with their hands out telling the White House what to do. I'm sick of them having any say whatsoever in the creation of laws that impact choices I make in my bedroom with consenting adults or in my doctor's office. I'm sick of the media falling over over themselves trying to find something shocking to say, even to the point of fallign for outright lies, and I'm sick of individuals that think Rush is some kind of minor prophet, a small step below the likes of Falwell, while going into somoesort of mock horror over something they think Obama's pastor might have said.
I'll agree on this much:
If your going to base your vote on persons gender or the color of their skin then you are just plain old STUPID.
Because on those criteria, we might wind up with Condoleeza Rice for president, and then the rest of the world really would have a good laugh. Or cry. Or something.
jumpingraindrops
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woman sits on toilet for 2 years
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3/21/2008 10:30:51 AM
It all gives new meaning to "shit or get off the pot".
Okay, that was funny.
Seriously? I think they were a couple of super-kinky people whose fetish went too far. Maybe he brought her food and water and she was the queen on his throne/potty slave. Hey, people get turned on by some strange things, is all I'm sayin'.
jumpingraindrops
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1 In 4 Teen Girls Have a STD In US
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3/13/2008 6:38:14 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/21/AR2007072101275.html
After decreasing steadily and significantly for more than a decade, the percentage of teenagers having intercourse began to plateau in 2001 and has failed to budge since then, despite the intensified focus in recent years on encouraging sexual abstinence, according to new analyses of data from a large federal survey.
The halt in the downward trend coincided with an increase in federal spending on programs focused exclusively on encouraging sexual abstinence until marriage, several experts noted. Congress is currently debating funding for such efforts, which receive about $175 million a year in federal money and have come under fire from some quarters for being ineffective.
So much for "abstinence-only" education.
jumpingraindrops
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1 In 4 Teen Girls Have a STD In US
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3/13/2008 5:43:45 AM
Oh please. Some fundamentalist moral agenda (complete with right-wing hand-wringing and whining about the vast liberal media conspiracy, a "fact" invented wholesale by the right-wing to make them look like victims,) just isn't ever going to override the biological imperative of thousands of years of evolutionary directive which drives teens to have sex. It's not about some imagined decay of society - never in history have teens refrained from sex; they just used to get married younger or get shipped off for a 9-month "vacation" in a home for unwed mothers if they got knocked up. People used to DIE of the clap before the advent of antibiotics. Children were born blind and deaf and with horrific deformities from syphillus. The golden age of brothels was during the oh-so-uptight Victorian era. Read some history if you don't believe me.
I may not like the profit-motivation behind the vaccine, I may not trust pharmeceutical manufacturers, and I may be concerned that Gardasil will have unexpected effects on girls 20 years down the road (like DES did,) but I won't kid myself into thinking that teens won't have sex, or will be 100% responsible about it when they do. They just aren't known for recognizing their own vulnerability, and no parent from any generation has ever been able to figure out how to have aqbsolute control over their teen without crossing the line into abuse. It's a better-safe-than-sorry choice.
jumpingraindrops
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$4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
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3/12/2008 11:04:44 AM
Oh boy I wish our gas was only $4 a gallon.......... we are at around $9 and rising in the UK!
You get a lot for that money that we in the US don't get - like health care and a viable public transit system.
jumpingraindrops
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Is McCain even eligible to be president?
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2/29/2008 6:45:53 PM
For that matter, it's too bad more people don't read and study the Bible (as opposed to these weird evangelical "Bible Lite" versions they've passed off, complete with carefully selected and sanitized versions of the ancient stories.) They might realize that just because some fundamentalist fanatic hearing voices claims it's the word of "God" doesn't mean it came out of the Bible. Hey, I'm an athiest personally, but it's an interesting book when taken in it's entirety, and as close to the original as you can get (for us laypeople.) Kind of like the original Grimm's tales - fascinating, but you wouldn't want to read them to actual children. Whereas I think children *should* be studying the Constitution.
jumpingraindrops
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Is McCain even eligible to be president?
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2/29/2008 4:24:48 PM
From http://home.comcast.net/~sharonday7/Presidents/AP0601.htm
2. What does it mean in the Constitution when it says "natural born Citizen?"
From Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad."
3. I am in the U.S. Army, a natural born citizen, and my wife is a U.S. Citizen, natural born. If my son is born in Germany (Military hospital or not), and has a U.S. Consular Report of Birth Abroad, and a German birth certificate can he become President of the United States?
Yes, since your son was born of citizens temporarily residing abroad, as in the military service, then he may become eligible to be president. Of course he must still "have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
Two cases in point: (1) George Romney of Michigan who ran for president in 1968. Mr. Romney was born in a Mormon community in Chihuahua, Mexico. His parents were U.S. citizens so he was a natural born citizen. (2) John McCain of Arizona was a candidate in 2000. McCain was born in Panama where his father was stationed in the service, so he would also be "natural born."
I keep a copy of the US Constitution on my desk, and this is in keeping with what I read. Great document; I wish people would actually read and study it.
jumpingraindrops
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Another kinky preacher...
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10/17/2007 6:41:19 AM
That cartoon is brilliant. The GOP should change their motto do "Do as I say, not as I do." The dominatrix gig must be hot in DC these days, what with all the naughty boys running around needing to be severely punished for their wicked ways.
That story, though... how weird. Takes all kinds, I guess....
jumpingraindrops
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What doesn't Hillary C. know?
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10/12/2007 12:06:22 PM
What the Democrats in in general don't know is that getting more and more conservative, becoming more and more a party of weathly white guys and less and less a party that believes that the role of government is to provide for the public welfare (read the consitution) - to ensure that citizens have at least a chance of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Seriously, they sit around with their thumbs up their collective butt and wonder why they're losing their base - HELLO! Your "base" is struggling to pay the bills while you sit around your mansion conducting polls and begging us for money and seeing a doctor of - socialized medicine! Boy, howdy, now there's some folks we can relate to. NOT.
I'm thinking of voting for my dog. At least I know he won't be taking a 2-month tropical vacation on my nickle.
As usual, Tom Tomorrow sums up my sentiments succinctly and with humor (and he even makes sense.) http://www.workingassetsblog.com/2007/10/the_quest_for_common_ground.html
jumpingraindrops
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This happens in AMERICA?
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10/4/2007 7:01:29 AM
Brownsugar, I'm afraid you'll get nowhere trying to talk sense to some people. They will see what they want to see and get themselves worked up into a little tizzy over it, and the best you can do is let it go. Trust me, I've started threads here where my intention was to discuss a particular issue only to have it dissolve into bizzarre speculations about where I shop and whether I'm a "Real American."
I think I get what you mean, though, and I agree. Mainstream media "news" has become little more than Entertainment Tonight with a few weightloss tips delivered by some perky blonde trying her best to look serious through her hairspray high. I usually pay pretty close attention to the news, and I missed this one completely - until someone did post another thread on the crime. But what I think you're doing a good job of addressing is the disgraceful state of news in the US, and what consumers think is important enough to warrant their attention.
And in some ways, maybe it IS about race - but not only as a specific incident in which racial identity was used as an excuse to commit acts of deranged violence. This incident and sevral others (as noted in this thread) point to an ongoing undercurrent of hositily that continues to permeate American culture, and bubbles up every so often in ugly, brutal acts committed by ignorant, violent people. The question is, WHY do some people look at a person of a different color and see an enemy? I think it's a lot of things - upbringing, media influence, the state of education, maybe mental illness issues, but the fact is: it's there. It was there when I was a kid, it was there in my grandmother's time, and I'm sure that it's gone through cycles where it was better and cycles where it was worse, but it's been right there all along. When I was a kid, if you read a crime report in the news, the race of the suspect was ALWAYS identified, unless they were white.
What if we had a news and educational agenda that was dedicated in some measure to looking at the things we have in common, not just the things that divide us? What if, for example, we stopped seeing news stories about how minorities, women, and the elderly are more likely to live in poverty as they age, and we just got honest and said the system favors white men?But to a lot of people here, that wouldn't be "news," I guess.
jumpingraindrops
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What doesn't Hillary C. know?
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10/3/2007 11:31:01 AM
Hillary doesn't know what it's like to work for minimum wage, and she doesn't have a clue what the average cost of living is for a family.
Hillary doesn't know what the reality is of living without health care, though to her credit she's largely responsible for exposing the crisis in American health care.
Hillary doesn't know what it's like to have to choose between buying groceries or paying the electric bill or fixing your car.
Hillary doesn't know what it's like to serve in the armed forces or have a loved one serving.
And the problem is, neither do any of the rest of them. And they don't care. Not a single one of the lost can make a decision about what to wear in the morning without wondering how it'll play in Peoria, and none of them will make a decision on anything that affects the lives of millions of Americans without wondering if it'll affect their ratings - or consulting some industry execs to see how it'll affect their stock holdings.
I hate politicians. I bet Hillary doesn't know that, either.
jumpingraindrops
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This happens in AMERICA?
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10/3/2007 9:39:37 AM
BrownSugar, I'm with you. It shocks me what passes for "news" sometimes. I understand the escapist mentality (I think I read once that more people "vote" for American Idol winners than in presidential elections,) but honestly, I don't respect it. I think most people operate on the illusion that they are somehow immune from horrific things, that they truly have that level of control in their lives, so when they read about someone like Megan Williams they can comfortably pretend that she was somehow culpable, and it could never happen to them or their loved ones. It's so much easier to see a dog as a defenseless victim, you know?
It IS horrifying what Megan went through, and in a way I'm glad that she has gone public with it - I think people should know exactly what the us-versus-them mentality of vitriolic racism can bring us down to. I think putting a human face on the issue, telling the truth about what kind of monsters the Brewsters et al. are, can only help bring to light how bad things are in America - how truly backwards a lot of people still are. We look at the rest of the world as if they are so backwards, as if "tribal factions" only exist in some farway place, that we could never embrace that kind of mentality here. This story proves that's not true - and it's a scary reality to face. Maybe that's why people would rather think about Bratney. What does that say about us?
jumpingraindrops
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what do YOU know about the full MOON...?
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10/1/2007 7:52:12 AM
I know this: it sure was beautiful last week. Purely subjective and based only on my ability to lay on a grassy hillside and watch it rise over the treetops on a couple of clear, crisp autumn nights - if I'd had a honey to squeeze it would have definitely put me in an amorous mood.
No statistical evidence to back that one up, I'm afraid, but sometimes science just ain't everything.
jumpingraindrops
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you GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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9/28/2007 10:26:04 AM
You know what? Where I live, pedestrians have the right of way - IF THEY ARE IN A CROSSWALK. That's fair. If a car hits them in a crosswalk, it's the driver's fault. Everyone knows that, and looks out for pedestrians in crosswalks, and a driver who doesn't stop can - and should - get a ticket. But jaywalking has gotten to be a real problem because some people are too damn lazy to walk a few feet to the nearest crosswalk - and they deserve it if they get a ticket. Seriously, how many times is anyone in that much of a hurry that they have to take a stupid risk and possibly hurt someone or get hurt to save a few seconds?
jumpingraindrops
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Phil Spector case
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9/27/2007 1:22:20 PM
If he were a boozing 20-year-old blonde with long legs and big bazoomas, you would've heard a lot more about this case. It just wasn't sexy enough - literally.
jumpingraindrops
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The Iranian Oil Truth
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9/24/2007 9:54:44 AM
Follow the money. If Kissinger lobbies for China, that's where the money is. Seriously - that guy has profited from virtually every military action ever undertaken by the US (well, since Viet Nam, anyway...) If he's anywhere, you can bet business deals are being brokered, and it probably has something to do with oil.
jumpingraindrops
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Anyone familiar with the SCO, and why you should be.
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9/24/2007 9:50:52 AM
mmmm..... I think that given the factors of American addiction to oil and our current debt to China, coupled with the reality that China and Russia have no real reason to play nice with the US any longer, if they join forces to put the squeeze on us, we are gonna be hurting. Maybe not as intellectual an analysis as the above articles, but in layman's terms....
jumpingraindrops
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Man fed cats and kittens to his pit bulls.
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9/24/2007 7:48:04 AM
For the record, anyone who has ever lived anywhere in the vicinity of a slaugherhouse (I have) knows that commercially raised and processed meat is hardly treated "humanely" while it's still on the hoof.
And kittens used to be used routinely to bait traps for fur and meat - used to be a matter of survival, although these days you could buy a month's worth of groceries for the cost of a hunting permit alone, let alone the guns and ammo....
And how do you feel about the treatment of animals in research labs, routinely tortured to provide us with the very latest in cosmetics?
Do I think the guy should be prosecuted? Absolutely. Am I shocked and horrified? Wish I could say I were.....
jumpingraindrops
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presidents address
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9/14/2007 6:23:14 AM
riiiiiiiiiight.... Saddam was a world-class #@!*! so OUR leader has to be a #@!*! also - now THERE'S a global strategy that's sure to win friends and influence people. Not. Please. Get your head out of the sandy little oasis is W's backside and take a look at his actions. Not something to be proud of, no matter how you parse it. Maybe we oughta start cleaning up our own mess before we start telling others how to live - and getting the Armagedon-mongers out of the white house would be a good place to start.
The president's address? Hell, eventually.
jumpingraindrops
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Fighting for freedom
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9/14/2007 6:17:04 AM
We have freedom from Habeus Corpus - http://www.sevendaysvt.com/features/2007/censorer.html - what more do you want?
Good-bye, habeas corpus
The Military Commissions Act, passed in September 2006 as a last gasp of the Republican-controlled Congress and signed into law by President Bush that Oct. 17, made significant changes to the nation’s judicial system.
The law allows the president to designate any person an “alien unlawful enemy combatant,” shunting that individual into an alternative court system in which the writ of habeas corpus no longer applies, the right to a speedy trial is gone, and justice is meted out by a military tribunal that can admit evidence obtained through coercion and presented without the accused in the courtroom, all under the guise of preserving national security.
Habeas corpus, a constitutional right cribbed from the Magna Carta, protects against arbitrary imprisonment. Alexander Hamilton, writing in the Federalist Papers, called it the greatest defense against “the favorite and most formidable instruments of tyranny.”
The Military Commissions Act has been seen mostly as a method for dealing with Guantánamo Bay detainees, and most journalists have reported that it doesn’t have any impact on Americans. On Oct. 19, 2006, editors at The New York Times wrote, in quite definitive language, “This law does not apply to American citizens.”
Investigative journalist Robert Parry disagrees. The right of habeas corpus no longer exists for any residents of the U.S., he wrote in the online journal Consortium. Deep down in the lower sections of the act, the language shifts from the very specific “alien unlawful enemy combatant” to the vague “any person subject to this chapter.”
“Why does it contain language referring to ‘any person’ and then adding in an adjacent context a reference to people acting ‘in breach of allegiance or duty to the United States’?” Parry wrote. “Who has ‘an allegiance or duty to the United States’ if not an American citizen?”
Reached by phone, Parry told The Guardian, “This loose phraseology could be interpreted very narrowly or very broadly.” He said he’s consulted with lawyers who are experienced in drafting federal security legislation, and they agreed that the “any person” terminology is troubling. “It could be fixed very simply, but the Bush administration put through this very vaguely worded law, and now there are a lot of differences of opinion on how it could be interpreted,” Parry said.
Though U.S. Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) moved quickly to remedy the situation with the Habeas Corpus Restoration Act, that legislation has yet to pass Congress, which some suspect is because too many Democrats don’t want to seem soft on terrorism. Until tested by time, exactly how much the language of the Military Commissions Act may be manipulated will remain to be seen.
Sources: “Repeal the Military Commissions Act and Restore the Most American Human Right,” Thom Hartmann, Common Dreams website, www.commondreams.org/views07/0212-24.htm, Feb. 2, 2007; “Still No Habeas Rights for You,” Robert Parry, Consortium, consortiumnews.com/2007/020307.html, Feb. 3, 2007; “Who Is ‘Any Person’ in Tribunal Law?” Robert Parry, Consortium, consortiumnews.com/2006/101906.html, Oct. 19, 2006.
How about freedom from municipal infrastructure (it won't result in lower taxes for YOU, but maybe for your friendly neighborhood billionares.)
The privatization of America’s infrastructure
In 1956, President Dwight D. Eisenhower ushered through legislation for the greatest public-works project in human history — the interstate highway system, 41,000 miles of roads funded almost entirely by the federal government.
Fifty years later, many of those roads are in need of repair or replacement, but the federal government has not exactly risen to the challenge. Instead, more than 20 states have set up financial deals leasing the roads to private companies in exchange for repairs. Politicians are lauding these public-private partnerships as the only credible financial solution to providing the public with improved services.
But opponents of all political stripes are criticizing the deals as theft of public property. They point out that the bulk of benefits is actually going to the private side of the equation — in many cases, to foreign companies with considerable experience building private roads in developing countries. In the United States, these companies are entering into long-term leases of infrastructure such as roads and bridges, for a low amount. They work out tax breaks to finance the repairs, raise tolls to cover the costs, and start realizing profits for their shareholders in as little as 10 years.
As Daniel Schulman and James Ridgeway report in Mother Jones, “The Federal Highway Administration estimates that it will cost $50 billion a year above current levels of federal, state and local highway funding to rehab existing bridges and roads over the next 16 years. Where to get that money, without raising taxes? Privatization promises a quick fix — and a way to outsource difficult decisions, like raising tolls, to entities that don’t have to worry about getting reelected.”
The Indiana Toll Road, the Chicago Skyway, Virginia’s Pocahontas Parkway and many other stretches of the nation’s public pavement have succumbed to these private deals.
Cheerleaders for privatization are deeply embedded in the Bush administration (see story 7), where they’ve been secretly fostering plans for a North American Free Trade Agreement superhighway, a 10-lane route set to run through the heart of the country and connect the Mexican and Canadian borders. It’s specifically designed to plug into the Mexican port of Lázaro Cárdenas, taking advantage of cheap labor by avoiding the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, whose members are traditionally tasked with unloading cargo, and the Inter-national Brotherhood of Teamsters, whose members transport that cargo around the country.
Sources: “The Highwaymen” Daniel Schulman with James Ridgeway, Mother Jones, www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/01/highwaymen.html, Feb. 2007; “Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway,” Jerome R. Corsi, Human Events, www.humanevents.com/article.php, June 12, 2006.
Freedom from privacy - not to worry though, you also get freedom from governmental transparency! So don't worry your pretty little head about what's happening in the executive branch - you can't find out anyway - and go shopping! (Wanders off humming "Brazil....")
Freedom from worker protections, from consumer protections, from environmental protections, from a true security that is built on strong relationships with global allies? Freedom from the respect of nation and individuals around the world? Freedom from a stable national economy? It's all there - and you're damn right it isn't free! Paid for in blood by thousands of soldiers and civilians.
jumpingraindrops
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Ironic political observation.
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9/13/2007 12:29:54 PM
ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh. Plaidflannel, surely you've heard the resident speak? He's got that down-home-folksy accent jest lahk all them nice fellers he does bidness with, ain't you heard? Why, he's just plain folks! No really! That pedigree education, the Kennibunkport estate, the family being from libral Connecticut? Pshaw, that weren't nothin' - now let's just put all that behind us and admire Babs's pearls, cuz she's just sooo classy...
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What did Bush do for Christians
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9/13/2007 12:24:02 PM
go to annotated rants and read the one about Christmas....
jumpingraindrops
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What did Bush do for Christians
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9/13/2007 10:39:40 AM
I know plenty of Christians who don't consider Bush and his ilk "Christian." Just because they've co-opted the name and wrapped themselves in a bloody, flag-draped cross doesn't make it so, no matter what they call themselves or how many photo-ops they pose for with heads bowed in churches. I saw a photo of Bush pointing at something with his shirtsleeves rolled up in New Orleans post-Katrina; that doesn't mean I think he's ever done an honest day's work in his life. I'm an athiest, and believe me: I'm more Christian that any of that bloodthirsty, money-grubbing lot. Karl Rove is an evil genius, and he knows how to pander to fanatics - that's about it. Maybe the extreme right-wing "christians" got a few converts; they certainly got plenty of attention.
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Short Skirt gets passenger kicked off plane
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9/13/2007 9:59:16 AM
Hmmmm, it seems to me that the skimpier the clothes the less chances they have to hide any explosive devices.....I mean really where would they put it?
Better be careful, brownsugar, Homeland Security might recruit you to design new "device detection strategies" and then we'll all be walking around nekkid whether Southwest likes it or not! Look at all the crazy things they already have us doing, how far a stretch is it, really?
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Ironic political observation.
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9/12/2007 1:14:47 PM
Oh, c'mon, MG. Surely you've seen vast tacts of diverse, old growth forest cleared to make way for a mono-culture replanting that destroys the ecosystem once in place there? Replanting and "smart and ethical" don't necessarily go hand in hand. Or how about the attractive new subdivisions where that forest used to be? Unless you're in Brazil, of course, where cattle now graze land that used to be rainforest.
Around here, they just clearcut, sell the timber, then sell the land to a developer. Quick, easy, profitable, ugly as sin - and the wildlife that used to live there? Who knows - it's not like they have a voice or a vote or money.
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Ironic political observation.
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9/12/2007 9:51:32 AM
There are many, many businesses that have found that instituting "green" practices helps their bottom line - but it's usually a long-run thing, and large corporations that need to project short-term quarterly gains in order to raise stock prices won't do it. A win/win strategy will going to occur when people are willing to take a longer view, and realize that putting more money into the already over-stuffed pockets of a few millionares may drive up stock prices, but it isn't helping the majority of people.
We run our economy like some kind of crash-diet, where achieving short-term dramatic results is much easier to sell than a balanced, long-term approach to lifelong health. The hangover is a killer (as tens of thousands of people in foreclosure can attest,) but hey, the boom was fun while it lasted - especially for mortgage brokers who sold sub-prime mortgages to investors. Not to worry, I'm sure a federal bail-out is in the works - but it won't do the homeowners any good.
A win-win situation would take a humane, managed approach to infrastructure: affordable housing, health care, education, corrections, food and water security, sustainable energy. Those are the basics. Those are the bottom line of survival for most people. And as long as corporate interests are allowed to dominate the conversation, with profit being their bottom line and sole driving issue, human beings will lose.
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Ironic political observation.
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9/12/2007 7:21:46 AM
I work for an agency which provides services to the disadvantaged. I see, on a daily basis, what living in poverty means for people - it's not an easy life, by any means. I don't want to get into details, but trust me - I know first-hand how challenging it is to be one of the working poor in this country - and that is most of the people we see.
At the same time, as a single parent I put myself through college while working, and am still paying off the student loans - working fulltime, raising my kids, and *pissed off.* I make >just< enough too much to qualify for child care assitance, fuel assitance, reduced price school lunch for my kids, or anything else - I am fortunate enough to live in a state that provides health care coverage for my kids, because if I didn't they wouldn't have it. Hell, if my job didn't mandate health care coverage, neither would I - as it is, I pay a couple hundred dollars a month for coverage I can't afford to use (deductable and co-payments.) I go without health care in spite of "having insurance." The bottom line is, I was better off when I was poorer - I knew I'd be able to pay for heating fuel, child care, and my kids would get lunch at school. I had state-provided health care, which was far better than the private health care I pay dearly for now. The $100/week that is allotted to a family of 4 for food stamps seems like a luxury from where I sit. There are some days I regret going to college thinking it was the way to a better life.
And this isn't the fault of the poor. It's the fault of a system that thinks corporate welfare is an economically viable strategy, and a socially ethical one - and it's wrong. It's a very complicated quandry - you've got to take into account corporate tax incentives, allowable deductions for corporations, massive CEO salaries and bonuses, and a minimum wage that allows employers to pay their workers so little that someone working full-time or more still needs (and qualifies for) food stamps, medicaid, child care assistance, and section 8 to make ends meet - the taxpayers effectively subsidize corporations when people make $6.00 and hour (federal poverty in the U.S. for two people - so, say, a single parent with one child, is $13,690. A full-time job at $6.00/hour = $12,000/year.)
So I don't go around resenting those who come in to our agency seeking assistance. I don't even resent the fact that I make so little at my job - although it would be nice to make enough to not have to stress every month about how I'm going to pay my bills. I DO resent people who take the assistance they are eligible for and then go around complaining about "those people" when they ARE "those people." I DO resent those who have never, ever, tried living in poverty complaining about those for whom it is a daily reality. And I do resent those millionares and billionares who hold most of the offices in the U.S. who live very comfortable lives and always have, who have health care and loooong paid vacations, who have never had to choose between buying groceries or fixing the car so they can get to work - who vote tehmselves raises in teh tens of thousands of dollars while fighting raising the minimum wage - who think that the rest of the nation doesn't deserve the same. Trust me, the rest of us work much, much harder than they do.
I'd like to see it become mandatory for public officials to work for - and live on - minimum wage with no benefits for a couple of years before they are allowed to hold office.
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Texas Billionaire Oscar Wyatt
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9/12/2007 6:55:13 AM
Nice bit o' detective work there, MG. It's always enlightening to get your perspective on things. So, I guess there are a few morals to this story (very few...)
1. All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others. If you're smart, you'll remember who your betters are and act accordingly.
2. This is America, land of opportunity, where anyone can make it - as long as you don't make too much, too fast.
Seems like the guy didn't do anything the rest of them didn't do, he just didn't share enough of his slice of the pie. Oh, wait, that would be socialism....
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Women drawn to men with muscles
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9/11/2007 1:27:21 PM
I can only speak for myself but here goes...
When I was in high school, I ran with the shy, geeky art crowd. The athletes scared the daylights out of me - they were big and loud and kept doing that chest-thumping thing. I smoked pot, they drank - it felt like we were worlds apart. I thought they were like a gang or something! Hindsight being what it is, I wish I'd gotten to know some of them! However... one of the interesting things about the internet is that for the first time in my life, I've gotten to know some athletes. It really levels the playing field, so to speak - I mean, places like POF allow you to get a sense of a person without necessarily knowing they're an athlete or a shy art geek, give you some insight into what they think. When I was in my find-a-mate mode in my teens and twenties, I totally went for the skinny guy with glasses (well, except for the Austrian biker I married at 19... long story... but he was tall and skinny and had been in the Vienna boys choir... okay, enough.) I didn't even know I was doing it at the time. My second husband looked like Dilbert, but turned out to be the stupid pointy-haired guy.
So, that was my experience: muscles = scary big guy, skinny = sweet and fun. Well, except that I turned out to be completely wrong... which is why I'm single now!
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Ironic political observation.
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9/11/2007 12:41:46 PM
There was a website that took this whole idea and broke it all down - I think it was called f*ckthesouth (sans apostrophe, insert u,) - absolutely hilarious, and brilliantly done. Yep, the blue states pretty much support the anti-socialism red states, which recieve the lions share of benefits from social programs. It's kinda like those morality crusaders who get it on with their underage pages in mens rooms and then repent by passing legislation banning sex toys for adults. http://www.****thesouth.com/
And powervamp, "the left" isn't trying to justify "killing of the innocent." We'd like to see action put into place to reduce the numbers of unintended pregnancies though education and access to birth control (being realistic here, teenagers aren't going to suddenly stop having sex after thousands of years of having it,) - while keeping safeguards in place to ensure that people who choose to end an unintended pregnancy can access safe medical care without fear of prosecution. I'd be all for a world in which abortion is simply unnecessary - but not for one in which women have to resort to dangerous criminal procedures, as they did 50 years ago. And if conservatives were so concerned for the well-being of "the innocent," it seems to me there would be more conservative support for universal health care, so that women can guaranteed access prenatal care and children have access to health care - regardless of their economic status. Without those safeguards in place, the whole anti-choice movement is a sham. As for the death penalty, not everyone who idenifies as left (or independent, in my case,) agrees on that issue. Again, it's not about being "for" or against," necessarily, but about "how and when."
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ATTENTION ALL PROUD REDHEADS!!!
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9/11/2007 12:24:58 PM
Still Life With Woodpecker is by TOM Robbins - I've done that myself! And it's one of my favorite books! TIM Robbins is an actor - and married to Susan Sarandon - and in some GREAT movies, like Rob Roberts.
And tailgazer, I suspect the people who care whether the hair color is real are the same ones who care whether the ta-tas are real. Not many....
JR, 50% devil, 100% natural
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Texas Billionaire Oscar Wyatt
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9/11/2007 11:31:11 AM
Now here's a weird story - not a very sexy one, I'm afraid, but something about it strikes me as odd. I didn't uncover it in a search here, so here goes...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6988929.stm
Texan 'gave millions to Saddam'
Mr Wyatt insists he is innocent
A Texan oil billionaire has gone on trial in the US accused of paying millions of dollars in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's government.
Oscar Wyatt, 83, is said to have given the money to Baghdad officials to illegally buy extra Iraqi oil under the United Nations' oil-for-food programme.
This scheme ran from 1996 to 2003 and allowed Iraq to finance humanitarian goods purchases through sales of oil.
Mr Wyatt, who pleads his innocence, could be facing a 74-year sentence.
'Presidents' friend'
Assistant US Attorney Stephen Miller claimed in his opening statement to a Manhattan court that: "When the world imposed sanctions on Iraq, Oscar Wyatt stepped up to help them evade sanctions."
By contrast, Mr Wyatt's lawyers insist he "did not pay any surcharge to the Iraqis".
They instead claim the case against Mr Wyatt was "entwined" with his opposition to both US-led wars against Iraq.
Mr Wyatt's lawyers added that while the World War II veteran was "no friend or admirer" of either President Bush, he was a friend and confident to most other US presidents from John F Kennedy to Bill Clinton.
At the time of Mr Wyatt's alleged crimes, Iraq was under United Nations (UN) sanctions imposed as a result of its 1990 invasion of neighbouring Kuwait.
The sale of its oil during this period was supposed to have been extensively monitored by the UN, but Iraqi officials started to demand extra payments to win such contracts and gain extra oil above the allowed levels.
Self-made man
Iraq's post-Saddam Hussain government alleged in 2005 that as many as 2,000 Western businessmen, organisations and UN officials were involved in the scandal.
That same year, the US Senate concluded that corruption had allowed Saddam Hussein's government to pocket about $13.6bn (£6.7bn).
Mr Wyatt faces five charges including engaging in prohibited financial transactions with Iraq.
A self-made man, Mr Wyatt started his business life selling oil drill parts from the back of his car.
In 2000 and 2001 he sold his company Coastal to El Paso for $17bn in stock.
Now, I'm not surprised that something like this was going on or that "as many as 2,000 Western businessmen, organizations, and UN officials were involved." I guess what surprises me most is that this is even being investigated? I mean, isn't this guy one of the "in crowd?" Or is he just another fall guy, or did he have some sort of falling out with the Bush clan? And good luck trying to impose a 76 year sentence unless they employ cryogenics....
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9/11 and how you experienced it ( personal stories)
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9/11/2007 10:37:20 AM
And to our 9/11 firefighter (and my sometime POF nemesis) in this thread, I say "Thank You" for the lives you saved and the people you helped that day and in the weeks that followed.
Thanks for that gentle reminder that although we may disagree, there are things more important than our own opinions - like family and friends.
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The politics of grass roots.
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9/11/2007 9:25:59 AM
The "localvore" movement is HUGE right now - the challenge is on to try to eat in-season foods grown within 100 miles of where you live. The hardest part? Doing without chocolate or coffee (I fail miserably on both counts - time to move to South America. On the other hand, my little garden is producing more tomatoes than I can eat!) In the context of "localvore," being a vegetarian has no particular virtue - and I live in a climate where being a vegetarian localvore would likely leave me dead by March. I'd be okay if I could grow and preserve enough to get me through the winter, but damn. I gotta work and raise kids, ya know?!? Still, the movement is a good one, and it's given me food for thought as well as to eat. Plus, many local businesses have tapped into the movement as an economic opportunity - the Vermont Fresh Network has a certificate availabe to businesses that use a certain percentage of locally produced foods and there are localvore cookbooks coming out by authors who focus on a region's available meat and produce. I guess it forces a certain level of creativity, although I'd be hard pressed to cook without nutmeg, pepper, paprika, cinnimon, etc.... I'd have to use a LOT of thyme, and then my kids would go on a hunger strike. Lower grocery bills, though... hmmmm.
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Short Skirt gets passenger kicked off plane
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9/11/2007 9:14:22 AM
First explain to me why it was okay to kick her off the plane for the way she was dressed (and for the record, I think the way she was dressed is tacky, but it looks pretty normal to me.) Why single out this ONE woman - from all the other women at all the airports in the country who dress similarly when flying? It smacks of harrassment. And when does it stop? There are Taliban lunatics who think every single woman showing her face should be stoned to death - how about if they start complaining? Or is that going to far, and who is to say?
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Redheads will continue forever
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9/11/2007 9:06:55 AM
SNOPES discredited the whole blondes going extinct myth long ago... http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp
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Woman held captive for a week - 'possible' hate crime in West Va.
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9/11/2007 9:02:44 AM
My mistake, I thought I'd read "Virginia." Not that it makes any of it any better. It's not like this couldn't happen anywhere, much as I'd like to live in that little fantasy bubble, but.... how the hell does something like this happen? How does a whole family turn into such monsters? Talk about terror. And you know there are probably supremacist gangs out there raising money for their defense and making them out to be heroes.
I'm glad that they at least found the victim, and I hope she's getting help. Is there anything anyone can actually DO for her? (While maintaining confidentiality?!?)
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Short Skirt gets passenger kicked off plane
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9/11/2007 8:43:14 AM
Um, jiperly, she WAS wearing a shirt and shoes. And if you go to any airport in any state, you'll see many women dressed in similar outfits.
This is right up there with kicking someone off a plane for breastfeeding a baby, when - as atlast pointed out - every time you turn on the TV or go to the mall, there are women in their underwear all over the place. It's stupid, pointless, and another example of some idiot fundamentalist deciding that their prudery trumps anyone else's rights.
And no, dress does not equal morality. What a moronic concept.
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Costly Trade With China
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9/11/2007 8:36:53 AM
Let's see... extremely cheap labor, no environmental standards, no worker protections OR consumer protections, and major profits for U.S. corporations (read: CEO bonuses,) = lost jobs in the U.S., lead in toys, poison pet food, multiple recalls of China-made products, and a continued blind eye toward the human rights abuses practiced by the Chinese government all so we can blithely continue a massive cultural shopping spree for cheap, dangerous crap to dump into landfills.... Hey, it's the American way, right?
Consume less but buy smarter, and you'll start seeing a difference. And there won't be so much to fight over.
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Woman held captive for a week - 'possible' hate crime in West Va.
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9/11/2007 8:26:13 AM
How can human beings resort to such barbaric behavior?
I know what you mean... even though I think I've heard it all, something like this just stops me in my tracks. I really, really hope that this poor woman gets the help and support she is going to need to heal (although in my experience, in Virginia you're pretty much on your own. I hope I'm wrong, and that times have changed.)
One of the things that is most shocking about this story is that it was carried out not by one or two people - but by SIX over the period of a week. It's so far beyond even the "normal" scope of these kinds of crimes - a whole family?!? Talk about a culture of evil! Almost enough to make me rethink my postition on mandatory sterilization - scary to think they could multiply.
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More Real Republican Family Values! (Sen. Craig (R-ID))
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9/11/2007 6:06:04 AM
How about instead of pandering to the lowest common denominator in an effort to win a popularity contest, politicians do the right thing for themselves and others like them? The way these guys conduct themselves they're like some twisted movie version of an out-of-control homecoming queen who'll sleep with anyone to get that tiara - or sponsor. Whatever. They do say politics makes strange bedfellows...
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9/11 and how you experienced it ( personal stories)
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9/10/2007 12:44:05 PM
Sunrise, words can't say how very sorry I am for your loss. You and Debbie will be in my thoughts tomorrow.
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9/11 and how you experienced it ( personal stories)
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9/10/2007 10:58:57 AM
I was on my way to a meeting at a large office building, remote from my usual worksite. Running late, half-listening to the radio, when the announcer said they had an "unconfirmed report" that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. I thought it was probably a Cessna or some other small plane, and that a pilot had made a horrendous error in judgement (it happens; a few years earlier while I was a few blocks away, a plane accidentally landed in the Hudson near the Trade Center.) When I got into the building and signed in through security, they were listening to the radio, and looking shocked - I asked what happened, and they said a second plane had hit. That was when I started to realize it wasn't an accident.
I got into my meeting and logged on to some news source, and it was just being reported - I emailed my parents, who live on Long Island but travel to the city a lot, and my sister, who lives a few blocks from the World Trade Center, asking them to make contact and let me know they were okay. My step-father had actually been on his way into the city and the bus he was on had to turn around and come back; my sister and her husband were on a plane on their way home from Japan. It was hours before we knew where they were; they'd been grounded in Calgary and weren't able to make contact by internet or phone for a while (not sure why, I think lines were tied up.) They didn't find out why they were grounded until they reached the hotel they stayed in.
The meeting continued as scheduled, but I was really shaken up - we lived in that neighborhood when I was in high school. It a strange area at night - deserted, but you could go hang out on the plaza and climb the sculptures and walk around the waterfront and be out in an empty city at night. I liked it. I have no idea what it's like now - I haven't been back and don't really want to.
I watched some of the footage on my way out of the meeting on the huge screen they had set up in another conference room - people were just sitting glued ot the screen, speechless. I watched for about 5 minutes, but the commentary was so... I can't really describe my reation. It just seemed so vapid - I don't think anything anyone could have said right then could have truly voiced the fear, sadness, anger, sense of loss - the whole spectrum of emotions at that moment, and what the announcers did say seemed like a waste of breath - like they were talking because they had to, not because they had anything they could actually SAY about what was happening. I didn't want to keep watching, or listening. I wanted to talk to my mother and my sister, and to go sit in a peaceful place.
Two of my mother's paintings were hanging at the NY tourist bureau when the buildings went down. My sister and her husband came home to find that everything in their entire apartment was covered in a fine layer of black dust. I went to a candle-light vigil where a woman who'd lost her sister on one of the planes spoke, and said her tears of grief were not a cry for war. I watched the sunset and the clouds rise and said a prayer for peace for everyone - the dead and those left behind, the victims and those who carried this out, for those who I knew would soon be sending loved ones to the middle east - and for those there and about to go. I wish there were any answer to the question of "why," but I don't think there is.
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Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
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9/8/2007 9:21:44 AM
I think you don't give people enough credit, the one thing about Americans, most of us use our own judgment, rather than depending on the opinion of others. Allot of us have moral values, and decency, we know the difference between right and wrong, and have the will to stand our ground and not be dictated to, by the manufacturer of ugly little brat dolls.
I wish I could agree with you. Honestly, I do. When I first saw the Bratz dolls, my first thought was, "Oh look - collectibles for pedophiles." Sadly, the very popularity of Bratz dolls and the fact that so many parents are willing to buy them for their young daughters brings out my inner cynic. I think most people don't question much of what they see on television, don't ask who the sponsors are, don't have the time or energy or willingness to deconstruct the information they are given. There is a corporate interest in every newscast, and that newscast will reflect that interest. How is anyone supposed to get to the truth when the truth is complex and the "news" is simplistic? While thousands of children a day die of manutrition, we as a public get completely caught up in the story of one child who was probably murdered by her parents - is this "fair and balanced?" Does it speak of a society willing to grapple with difficult issues around social and economic justice, does it indicate that any of us is willing to make individual sacrifices in the name of a greater good for all?
Just look around this board, at all the infighting that goes on over things like the death penalty. I feel that it's a waste of time, energy, and media space - not to mention taxpayer dollars being spent on appeal after appeal after appeal - it is a fact that innocent people have been executed and it is a fact that it doesn't work as a deterrent. But, at a gut level, I understand the calls for the death of someone who has sexually abused children - I won't pretend I wouldn't want to kill someone who abused my own children. I also won't pretend that my gut reaction to that makes it right. But, to listen to the words of so many others on this board, they clearly feel it is the right thing to do - and they won't be swayed by the "facts" as I understand them. So in the end, how do we determine what is "right and wrong" unless it is by weighing our gut feelings, weighing the facts, and weighing the mores of the culture in which we live? And if we decide that our cultural mores are wrong, what do we do about it? If we're right-wing fundamentalists who think that our interpretation of the Bible trumps the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, we get our people elected and work toward dismantling individual liberties to serve our vision of a perfect society, turing a blind eye to the child molesters in our own ranks. If people really thought this through, do you think we'd have the political and religious institutions that are currently holding power in the U.S.?
So ONE pedophile has outed himself. So what? As you said, it's probably done more harm than good to sit around posting digital threats and driving him back under his rock. Is that "right?" How many more pedophiles are just trolling around silently, looking for people with young kids to date because they have ulterior motives?
I'm not tryin to call you out; the truth is I respect most of what you say. And I want you to say it, without fear of attack. I actually wish I had as generous a view of humanity as you do. And you're right, I will stand my ground when I think something is right or wrong - as I know you will, and I respect you for it. And I'll admit to being mistaken, and I'm willing to be openminded in respectful, thoughtful discussions.
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The government would call you a cult leader.....
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9/7/2007 1:21:33 PM
Ever heard of Waco, or Ruby Ridge? You want to do something like that, set it up as a resort that costs money to go to. Then it's a private enterprise, and anything goes. Think Bohemian Grove.
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Why is this illegal? In relation to Sen. Craig.
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9/7/2007 10:40:05 AM
is asking people out, trying to "pick up" (hetersoexually speaking), between man & woman, illegal, a crime., in all public places?
best shut down all the bars..?
I think a lot of it has to do with context. In bars, it's pretty much expected - in washrooms, it isn't. In bars, the undesirable guy on the make understands that if his advances are unwanted and he's overly persistent, there are bouncers that will assist in reminding him of appropriate behavior and his removal if he doesn't shape up (not meaning to single out guys - I've seen women get bounced plenty. But for ease of conversation...) In a washroom, a come-on could come across as much more threatening, precisely because of the lack of backup.
And last time they tried to shut down all the bars, the Mafia made GOOD money - probably best not to revisit prohibition, eh? But I guess it was better than no alcohol at all...
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Indiana mother of 4 races train in her minivan...U know the rest
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9/7/2007 7:58:09 AM
Whistful, thank you for a post where your sense of deep compassion shines through.
I have a cousin whose parents died at a rail crossing trying to beat the train. They were in their early 20s; he was just little - 2 or 3, but it affected him his whole life. I've also been on trains where people - probably kids thinking it was funny - put things like shopping carts and trees on the track. I think that most people really have *no* clue how big and powerful and fast trains really are, and honestly think they can outrun them.
My heart goes out to her remaining children, to the father of the kids, to the rest of the family who must be in shock today. And I may feel some anger toward her for being so very reckless, but I feel bad for her, too. I can't imagine how she's going to live with herself after this.
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For Peet's sake, I need a really good coffee right now.....
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9/7/2007 7:45:12 AM
Ahhhh... Peet's. I first heard of Peet's in Santa Cruz... maybe 20 years ago? Hard to believe. I was raised in a household where we might have nothing but ramen for the week, but good coffee was always on hand - there are few issues over which I'll admit to being a spoiled brat, but good coffee is one of them. From a life-long coffee lover, here's to you, Mr. Peet. May your coffee always be black as night, strong as death, and sweet as love.
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Republican debate tonight
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9/6/2007 9:18:49 AM
does anybody else agree that we need to find a better way to hold these debates?
yes. anything - ANYTHING - give me jello-wrestling over the "debates." The candidates have nothing to say beyond a completely predictable set of poll-approved platitudes that are absolutely meaningless when they are elected (or not, and are vying for a prominent position in the cabinet of whomever got elected.) The jokey, good 'ol boy tone, the sports metaphores, the incredible IDIOCY on display is just a public embarrassment, broadcast to the masses who don't even realize how they are being talked down to. Ugh. I HATE election seasons. I won't even get started on the letters from millionaires begging for money to fund their campaigns. Just say "no" is my policy.....
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