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Thread: War
statueman
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War
Posted: 4/4/2009 10:10:15 AM
And light like waves breaks the free slaves
from bonds of freedom to lessons of anarchy
the whole the listless band together
to divert light waves from fan to feather
a distraction of penances a cluster of eyes
and soon will San Nicolas the future comprise
and soon will the oil and wine be untouched
and soon will the hot and the cold know too much
but Luke will continue to prosper...
though he know's him not...
statueman
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...Last Waves of Ground...
Posted: 4/4/2009 9:55:01 AM
When my cross is too heavy and my shoulder too weak
There is close at hand a helpful cheek
it is in the flesh an aswer to prayer
just sometimes I don't see it standing
right there
I've lost my way and found it again
did it all by myself with the help of a friend
and not to be proud but my friend didn't know
just how the son shined through their love
Now each must bear their own but let no help be squandered
on a soul fitly shown who has purposely wandered
since thus shall the vessel remain unclean
and stored on a shelf
right there
So I try... but I'm no good
statueman
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... Last Waves of Ground...
Posted: 3/13/2009 11:38:00 AM
Drawn out on traditional lines
spheres replace lines with waves
dispelling rigid over-simplifications
but lines remain and suffocate
the music of the spheres
I cannot help but listen for the waves
those soothing sounds of easy listening
for I am but ground
Hear the echo’s of future that has not past
and past that hath not future
time is not traveled it is only lived
science can transfer only an echo
and no real lines will have been crossed
I allow delusion to masquerade as truth
But it matters not to those of youth
But an ancient call always arises
“but?” says that still small voice
and a plan of love can bring freedom
.....
As I listen to this 56 recording of Koko by Parker
I can only say...
Thanks for the Memories... what a thread this has been through the years!
YEAH BABY!!! oh behave... awww what the hell call me corneyman
statueman
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...Last Waves of Ground...
Posted: 3/13/2009 11:33:16 AM
Drawn out on traditional lines
spheres replace lines with waves
dispelling rigid over-simplifications
but lines remain and suffocate
the music of the spheres
I cannot help but listen for the waves
those soothing sounds of easy listening
for I am but ground
Hear the echo’s of future that has not past
and past that hath not future
time is not traveled it is only lived
science can transfer only an echo
and no real lines will have been crossed
I allow delusion to masquerade as truth
But it matters not to those of youth
But an ancient call always arises
“but?” says that still small voice
and a plan of love can bring freedom
statueman
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Are we a tad spoiled by POF and a bit ungrateful for its services?
Posted: 3/10/2009 10:13:17 AM
I kinda look at it like this
I don't really use this site much anymore... but when I get the money I will buy a few months out of gratitude for the fine time I've had using the forums and the many new friends I've made online though out those years.
If I could I'd buy the creator of this site a steak dinner and seconds if he wanted it so what the hell... but since we've never met I'll gold star if for a bit in stead.
So I whole heartedly agree on the tad bit spoiled part...
and who knows maybe I'll make a few more friends and in a few years meet a group of them at the same time for a grand time or some such.
Plenty of Fish! nothing but love for ya in all you've put up with me through the years.
Look for the gold star coming in April. Planning ahead makes a fixed workable. Can I get an Amen?
statueman
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Has anyone ever said to you I have been praying for you...?
Posted: 9/17/2008 8:50:21 AM
breath...
You want to know something funny? I read a line of your post and then went to your profile and as I read a bit and looked at your pictures I flashed on that scene in the Robe as to why the woman in that little village who was still unable to walk was not healed when Christ was alive. She told the Roman soldier that Jesus had healed her heart and not her body. I'm sure that the super healing/prosperity doctrinalists who fascinatingly enough can't walk on water took exception to the scene.
Then of course I came back and finished your post and when I read your 'little story' and so I had to share my line of experience with you and my complete agreement in heart and experience with your statement that...
In that case it was HER idea of what "healed" means... which may not be God's idea or my idea.
Anywho... Nice To Meet You and ... please pray for me.
peter aka statueman
stones!
If the statement puts you on the defensive then is it automaticly self righteous? I mean everyone thinks they're a good judge of character and everyone can be fooled sooo.... I'm saying I've tried to judge a person using more than my reaction to them. I've had plenty of folks look at me like there was something wrong with me while at the same time saying they'll be praying for me... sometimes I still think of them as a-holes even though they turned out to be right.
saintgasoline!
Hiya and yuuuuuup! Like my friends mom used to always say "Self Righteous is as Self Righteous does."
Sassy,
I'll reference trippy hares post in your enlightenment thread. You have shown me that friendship is more important than opinion or belief. I believe friendship is the ultimate mercy of my faith in the grace of my God. In many ways your friendship has confirmed my faith and corrected my beliefs. Or I could just be trying to be too profound here.... yeahhhh, you know I go there sometimes.
statueman
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Enlightenment...
Posted: 9/17/2008 8:19:18 AM
trippy_hare
What distinguishes an enlightened person from a non-enlightened person?
Both make mistakes, experience sorrow, and suffer failure. The enlightened person learns something from these experiences, the unenlightened person does not.
and
What is the purpose of enlightenment.. ?
It's a survival mechanism. Since humans as a species are no longer dominated by the need to procure food and procreate, like our animal cousins, we have a great deal of free time in which to observe our world, and this enriches our spirit. As I said earlier, to stop learning is to die- and the spirit has a survival instinct, as well. Thus, as we avoid death physically, so too do we avoid it spiritually.
We are trying to progress past the death of the spirit and that is our enlightenment then? We are seeking to understand death or to transcend life... is that it?
Enlightenment is a spiritual survival mechanism....
Trippy Hare, stop feeding the liberals you're scaring the christians! (Good to see you! I mean... good to read your posts as it's been awhile.)
statueman
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Msg:
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/17/2008 7:59:45 AM
crazylilting (too continue MSG 154 which was to you on your question)
It's interesting how such a holy book could be translated to mean so many different things. If it were truly infallible. wouldn't it make sense if it was unquestionable?
Remember the old computer joke "operator error... computers don't make mistakes"? I mean back in the late 70's all the way to the early 90's folks kept saying that like it was Gospel! The message within the chiding cliche's was the computers only do what we tell them to. So if our computer makes a mistake it's our fault... not the computers fault... it can be fixed properly if we look at how it is we told the computer to do what we wanted it to do. Nowadays seems like folks don't say that much anymore... computers are no longer our little perfect and obedient creations.
OK ok so I'm trying to look at this from Gods point of view... first creating spirit (for this explanation defined as something akin to dreams) to experiment in a wide variety of ways over eons of time within the realm always of what is immediately doable. From simplistic creations like spheres and lines all the way to single cell amoeba's. I think our original I AM prolly even thought about making folks out of metals but found that life spans would be too long and organic computers created by metal people were much quicker to learn.
Incidentally lest you don't take me serious... something I don't recommend in any-case... I'll get to the point.
I believe man is taking part in the first actual physical universe because our Creator made a choice to create us and give us the ability to create within the realm of where we live and move and have our being. Our programming included practical instincts for the upkeep and maintenance of our bodies and the cellular lines of ancestral give us any number of strengths, weaknesses and pre-dispostions.
So... in the dream state Universe of I AM's nearly infinite visions of how this actual physical universe would take shape I'm sure or I suppose God did give us a book that was truely infallible and unquestionably the truth. But in this dream state alternate reality when the next stage of our Kingdom of Heaven evolutionary process took place it was found that a bunch of folks were in Heaven that didn't really want to be there... the truth having come to them too easily heaven became another boring place of trial and error.... albiet a good natured one... but still delaying the true enjoyment of heaven for those who hadn't gotten their by default.
So you see... crazylilting...(you still reading?) there are two free will at odds here... our choice and our creators choice and if ever the two shall meet great things will happen but this is not easy and hardly effortless. So personally I think our Creator's done a good job so far... even the bible has a way of seperating the wheat from the chaff.
statueman
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/15/2008 4:05:57 PM
HA! Raven
You won't hear that from other preachers... (or I haven't heard any preacher say it to me or in a sermon... but I have been rebuked about it) it's my own personal heresy.
Good to be back and talking with you folks on equal footing.
statueman
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/15/2008 2:15:37 PM
It's interesting how such a holy book could be translated to mean so many different things. If it were truly infallible. wouldn't it make sense if it was unquestionable?
No... it wouldn't make sense. If good and evil are a choice like truth and error or light and darkness then the tree of the knowledge of good and evil would not have been needed to test the exsistence of Gods co-creative creations. The hard matter universe would never had to have been and the eons of trial and error that made up the dreams of I AM would not have been realized. Questions make us co-creators with all the potential of one day becoming spontaneous co-beings where communications are no longer pre-ordained from the original I AM. The first and most humble and most original thought will succeed in achieving that "fellowship" that preachers like to say was why God created us in the first place.
Or I could be wrong.
statueman
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Msg:
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/15/2008 5:57:32 AM
stonestounge!
What's up my brother from another mother!?! Found a fish yet?
Anywho...
My point about that scripture was that folks take it on face value and beat folks over the head with it! I've seen some folks quote that scripture about "no man coming to the father but by me" and adding to it something that really doesn't fit into the context of the whole message surrounding those words. I tend to think Jesus was one of those kind of people folks who were hungry to know the truth liked hearing even if the conceptually disagreed with him at times. I mean I don't think they felt like Jesus was judging them.
So when a believer quotes those wonderful words of Jesus and interprets them for someone I think they may rob the person of reading the Gospel of John and seeing the whole of the spirit of the thing Jesus was trying to communicate. You know? Like the symbolic reasoning that you are interpreting through the picture created by the words I am presently typing? When someone attaches a meaning to a powerful phrase of Jesus and says something like "so you see since they tried to get to heaven another way then they are going to go to..."
yeahhhh... sigh... Believe it or not stonestounge... and I know you believe me when I say I have tried numerous times to get Christians to stop with the knee jerk presentation of Christianity and the words of Christ with a "you're going to hell if you don't believe as I do" stuff.
But I'll tell you what, stones, you still reading? Don't skim over this part or I'll come up to Canada and... OK? When I sit and read John and get to chapter 14 my heart hears the words and how Jesus was saying them and I've always felt that even though he had done great miracles that when he spoke his words they were spoken in gentleness and humor. I'll take some license and say to you that if I were to say that I myself, statueman, am the way the truth and the life and that no man cometh unto the father but by statueman then I would be paying witness to our Creators saving grace working through me to unite us in a good cause... i.e. the happiness, love and salvation of our lives to the praise and virtue of good works done not to gain salvation but in appreciation of salvation from a life of self centeredness.
So let the reader understand... truly truly I say unto you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the hypocrisy you see in those with the least excuse to be acting like hypocrites then you won't inherit a life of good works. You'll be too busy asking why the next guy ain't doing them... then it all just turns into an arguement where both sides are wrong. And the little old lady will be quietly serving her soup with a smile, a prayer and even sometimes a word of encouragement.
I love looking at the whole picture... I love for the truth of the spirit of the thing to enlighten me and unify me with the real meaning behind every jot and tittle.
statueman
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Msg:
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Enlightenment...
Posted: 9/14/2008 7:57:29 AM
I read One
thought it was pretentious and childish in a very adult way.
I remember the Master Sergeant who had given it to me to read was angry that I didn't like the book.
But there was a good joke in it that I remember and tell... the one about you can always tell where folks are from when you live in Europe... you can tell if a person is from France or Germany or Poland or Sweden or Denmark...... but you can never tell Italians, you know why?
Cause they already know everything.
I didn't find any enlightnement reading the book you know... not like the enlightenment I feel each and everytime I read the Sermon on the Mount. Especially when I read it focusing on me... cause I'm selfish like that.
statueman
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Msg:
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/13/2008 6:10:57 PM
daynadaze,
Don't be so hard on us christians... well, yeah go ahead... I heard this preacher once say that sometimes folks get to acting so spiritual he wanted to walk up and slap the &*%^ out of them and see how spiritual they really were. But then a few weeks later that same preacher was in some pretty hot water so I'll leave that one alone
Anywho... daynadaze, I think that
crazylilting
is doing much the same thing as legalistic power hungry christians do... him got an agenda to shut folks up. Him wants people to share about christianity or pray or sing psalms in private so him don't have to hear it. Does it bother you guys that much that I believe in Jesus in the "I am the way the truth and the life and no man cometh unto the father but by me" way? Well I'll tell you a trick... I believe that them words are so powerful you're not supposed to interpret them... so let me tell what Jesus meant when he said that ... you ready... what he meant was "I am the way the truth and the life and no man cometh unto the father but by me" and then of course goes onto explain further.
But see I've never read where I was supposed to take that to mean that myfaith and confidence in those words of Jesus is supposed to do anything but set me free from sin and hopefully help else along the way when they need that help.
Too many folks try to help people when they don't need it... ever notice that?
Anywho... can I have a hug?
statueman
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Enlightenment...
Posted: 9/13/2008 5:55:08 PM
Thank you Sassy! For being the only one to respond to my post.
That was enlightening to me... have you found anyone yet? I'm going to visit Canada soon... within 5 years.
I did want to say that if we talk too much about enlightenment then the fire starts to flicker in our wind.
So everyone... shhhhhhh
quiet... confident... breath deeeeep....
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
statueman
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Enlightenment...
Posted: 9/13/2008 5:18:32 AM
Hey Sassy! Sorry I missed this one... so here's my poetic take on your OP.
(btw does OP mean original post or original poster? Enlighten me here...)
Enlightenment is the space between "who am I" and "why am I here"...
It's the time between the "realization of being" and "relationship to being"...
It's the continuum between "life" and "living".
So finally... Enlightenment is the "peace that passes understanding" which we find only in the space time continuum of the pursuit of truth.
(Oh that's gooood, I need to write that down!)
statueman
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what happens when you go to heaven??
Posted: 9/13/2008 4:33:17 AM
PeaceLover61
New JerUSAlem!!
I love it... and the house of Many Mansions being the Multi-verse?
I had a waking imagination/vision once that was very similar. But are you serious?
Of course after 5 months I hope you're around to read this.
statueman
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/4/2008 10:09:43 PM
Crazy man I'm thinking about starting a cult group in Los Angeles that addresses these very same issues... man we think alot alike.
But whatcha gonna do for those who didn't find Christ in a church? I didn't ... saw a few images and learned were to look in the bible for a few things... I woke one day and told whoever was out there that I wanted to know the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth then like most folks immediately started looking for more interesting material...
cause the truth asked me to look at me
I think that seeing the world for what it is and disillusionment and all that is nice if we have a way about us that can bridge the gap between pain and power. I gotta alot of pain... and very little power. One day I swallowed a grace pill and found out that some folks give out innoculations for free which might even include a hot cup of soup.
You know crazy? I just got done watching the republican convention... you don't think I feel the same way about the our gods better than your god crowd? But you gotta get a grip man and take a second look at them gospels to tell me how the error's come from Matt Mark Luke and John. Seems to me it's a whole lot of Pauline mis use going on... and some sledgehammer dogma with certain Jesus quotes.
statueman
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Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 9/4/2008 9:50:48 PM
Anyone who is using religion to justify racism is reading their Bible upside down.
That would make the Old Testament come after the New... you may be onto something here....
statueman
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Just what is a hypocrite anyways?
Posted: 9/4/2008 9:42:42 PM
claudiac123
Statuman: Wasn't Jesus saying here that the Jews KNEW who He was? They were blinded by their greed and unwillingness to concede power - no?
You know... I don't know but that would seem to be a big part of it. I think the biggest message for those of us who read scripture is to be found in the life of the pharisees and those who opposed Jesus rather than in our hero's. It's like why do some insist on calling the Apostle Thomas "doubting" as if it were his first name? Nobody calls Peter the "denier". Anywho... I got real sick of myself one time when I was working in ministry and started reading the woes Jesus was giving to the scribes and pharisees in Matt 25 and started to see the similarities between myself and those leaders. It was an "ouch" moment for me. So I made some apologies and some changes. Then one day I was reading John and saw that Jesus reasoned strongly with the pharisees and tried very hard to help them see the error of their ways... he loved them too, you know? And for some reason that was a suprising revelation to me (John 8 mostly).
OK all that when my real answer is... I don't know.
Gottalight
I smoke... had to quite drinking though. And I hadn't read any of your previous posts so if anything I said seemed to be aimed at your comments it wasn't. I only shoot from the hip at passive aggressives due to the loonatic factors involved. Sometimes I'll just start chanting "Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!" and then go on about my business.
But seriously, your response here to my comment that sin isn't really the reason Christ came is profound...
For me, it is the main reason Jesus came. He showed that sin(error) was not always declared by law. He showed that forgiveness of sin(error) was the path to happiness and love. He gave us tools, and was unfortunately vague in his explanation, or time has disrupted the understanding. I think my first attempt was better, but understanding will depend more on the reader, than on the writer. I already understand what I am trying to say.
and yet the answer to the issue you bring up is within your own presentation. In attempting to make a disputable matter an indisputable matter you've done just about as well as I did. So I'd say we're even. But do we walk in happiness in love because our sin has been forgiven or do we walk in happiness and love because that's what we were created to walk in? It's like the first time I had sushi I really enjoyed it but I still wish they'd cook it.
statueman
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Just what is a hypocrite anyways?
Posted: 9/3/2008 5:43:27 PM
Hey claudiac123
I think that modern teaching about the law rely to heavily on a misinterpreted Paul. One fanciful dogma is that all sin is the same since as Paul says those who transgress the law are guilty of breaking the whole law. But Jesus tells Pilate that those who brought him to be crucified were guilty of the greater sin. For me the hypocrisy is contained in pretending to understand disputable matters.
One for instance is in, "Is all sin equal or are there greater and lesser degree's of sin?"
But for me sin really wasn't why Christ came... it was happiness and love and showing us how our Creator gave us life to experience that happiness and love. Sin keeps us from being happy... sin keeps us from loving God and eachother and is indeed the embodiment of doubt and the mistrust of Gods love and desire for us to be happy. Since.. you know... who want to relish the pain of momentary denial in lieu of lasting pleasure... most of us chose the opposite. I mean afterall who really believes humility and meekness are effective ways to deal with life?
Oh that isss deep ... I should be writing these things down.
statueman
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/3/2008 1:01:00 PM
Hey crazylilting!
How you been?
OK ... so you know I believe in Jesus and even more let me say that I believe Jesus made a level playing ground for us by sacrificing his life for us all. Then some poor chaps wrote an immortal bard and other assorted prosaic and artistic masterpieces and gave us them statues and cathedrals and printing presses and news papers and books and expanded ideals of governmental systems and freedoms and public services and increased technology and Al Gore and the internet.
So when someone tells me that Jesus died for me, that is treating me as un-equal, less then, etc... because i don't even believe that jesus lived much less died for me
OK ... how is that so? I'd love for you to go with me to some Ghetto christian church in south central Los Angeles so some Mr T looking man could walk up to you and say "Jesus died for you fool!" and if you weren't unduly intimidated you would start laughing and get a hug.
While I don't push it... you can't have it your way with my faith. I'mmonna go tell it on the mountain top over the hills and everywhere... and some folks is gonna get offended though I will take every pre-caution to make sure this does not happen. But I'll be damned if I ever let their offence become my own... Jesus does not offend me and I do not use my faith in him to offend you.
Now gimme a hug!
statueman
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Just what is a hypocrite anyways?
Posted: 9/3/2008 12:39:19 PM
Thanks Ameera and Sassy and Consig!
Good to be back around... I see madfiddler is on the job now... he's a maderator...
I'm afraid that you folks inspire me and sometimes I don't want to be inspired cause I might write something that I'm not actually living up to. However... there is this tendency to start thinking that just because I'm writing something profound that I'm 100% accountable to my own profundity...
And you know what?
I am... I'm all that and a bag a chips. That means I'm the Soda, the sandwich, the cookies and a side of low fat dip. Yes sir and Ma'am that's me... a side of low fat dip.
And when I find someone who takes me seriously my heart sinks within me and I thank God for a new friend. Me thinks true hypocrisy requires some degree of knowledgeable awareness but only that day when secrets of our hearts are revealed will tell. So if you meet someone who is looking forward to "that day" then grab your wallet and run for the door.
statueman
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un Sup[p]ressed
Posted: 9/3/2008 12:22:36 PM
there the twilight fears
and many sup[p]ressed tears
all I thought I knew
all those wasted years
what did I do
to be so blackbrownwhitered and blue?
trumpet solo here
thank you Satchmo
tensed up the proletariat of doctrinal bereft-ness
taking their ques from political incorrect-ness
and loose the bonds of that other cheek
profane the wise and despise the meek
what are we gonna do
to stop being so hypothetically imperfect and blue?
I'm right... inside... but that don't help my case
Cause I... Can't hide... the expression on my faaaccceee
boss su see su see sha sha sha shaaaaaaa
statueman
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Just what is a hypocrite anyways?
Posted: 9/3/2008 7:37:28 AM
Ameera, and everybody.... hey ya'll,
(btw Ameera I'm not ignoring your q in that other thread I just don't know why I like to talk about it besides having a somewhat unique viewpoint with fresh one liners.)
Anywho...
Sassy, consig, RDToo how you guys doing?
But look here ya'll... RdToo startes the party with a hopefully rhetorical question..
But if I claim to believe what the Bible says, yet fail to live up to it, even though I try, does that make me a hypocrite? I am curious to hear what people would define as a hypocrite.
But some how you folks managed to get from the 1st Christian Church of the Happy Hypocrite to the deep denial of the 1st Christian Church of low Self Esteems hidden in Super Truths.
Ameera I think has experienced the latter,
Having ears, they do not hear, nor do they understand.
How they are able to live in the world is by self-deception but the problem with this is that to deny the truth takes constant work so that anyone who presents the truth becomes a personal enemy. You will see this clearly in how they behave towards someone who has presented a truth that they cannot face or admit.
They will attack and become very defensive, and their hostility will seemingly have no basis.
Now the funny thing about pride and prejudice is we all seem to practice them on a regular basis to greater or lessor degrees. A wonderful form of selective amnesia was given to most if not all of us so that we can either choose grace or pride as a survival tool. Now I try to chose grace but sometimes chose pride and disguise it as grace so I can have something to apologize for later. However if I didn't recognize I was disguising the grace of God in some self esteem saving super truth of pride then I could go on for days and months and years until "Legion" won't come out but by prayer and fasting. (Now I have a sudden desire for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.)
Consig has experienced more the Happy Hypocrite and cannot understand Ameera
I do find your philosophy interesting, but I don't think I fully understand your belief system at this time nor do I understand how you have come to your conclusions regarding your philosophy through the few words you have used to sum it up.
I think that if Consig could imagine himself growing up in and searching for truth with Ameera's body and vice versa that they (you guys) would find yourselves more postively able to recognize the understanding you are trying to communicate.
The truth is ... oh boy... ok let me restart that one... whew... ok... The truth is there are honest folks even in the worst most hypocritical of situations through the love and grace of God. These are those who when you've gone to a church with obvious glaring defects you pull to the side one day and ask..."What are you doing here?" And they seem to always say..."I love them... and want to be around for them when the bubble burst"
OK OK I'm done.... don't be so hypocritical.
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Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/2/2008 9:31:24 AM
Hi Godsplumber and welcome to POF Forums
hey everybody!
Interesting Thread and it's always fun to see the many ways folks go at the same subject matter. I think that Godsplumber presents a scripturally accurate Romans Road representation of Christianities claim to exclusive truth. I think that ole crazylilting, the one who started this thread... was set against this very presentation of the faith that says hey... Jesus is the only way.
Now most of you know that I believe Jesus is exactly who he said he is... and that I accept the New Testament Gospels which are the copy of the copy of the copy of the originals to be incredibly accurate. I judge the scriptures of what Jesus said by the relationship I've experienced by trying to apply the lessons he taught me. It took me a long time to understand what Paul mean when he said that we are to be ministers "not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." And that's because I was made to feel guilty by others interpretation of how I wasn't applying the letter to my life.
I don't know if my feeling on this is 100% scripturally accurate... but my feeling is that we do ourselves a disservice quoting scriptures at people and then trying to present what we say as the only truth. It seems to me we ignore that our Awesome God is condemned by the man with one talent as a God who "reaps where he sows not and sows where he reaps not"... it seems to me we forget that "only those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
In this life of mine I've seen one too many variations of the same ideals to be convinced by words of a mans relationship to the only original creative being who I believe to be the God of Abraham, Moses and Yeshua (Jesus). It seems to me that there is EQUALITY to be found in the teachings of Christ, especially in the Sermon on the Mount and that Pauls teachings are to be balanced more and not less with the words of Jesus so we do not build to heavily upon Romans Road and become rhetoricly (yet sometimes mercifully) imbalanced. After all... one wiser than Solomon was here and Peter himself warned that Pauls words get alittle twisted.
Sooo.... is there an Equality that is being overlooked by Christianity as crazylilting asserts. Oh yes most definately and we all can see it's rotted fruit. But is that the best that Christianity has or can do? To answer this requires one to dig a bit deeper... after all as Jesus told Pilate, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."
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Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 8/30/2008 8:14:05 AM
romanticoptimist
Did you miss placing a giant smiley at the end to show you were being witty? Or are you off your meds and believe that drivel to be truth?
Well... I stopped taking my bi polar meds over 8 months ago. Now that I know I'm crazy what's the point? Besides the list of side affects is not worth the limited help all of the commonly pre-scribed medications have.
Anywho... of course I was joking! You know me... I just like to stir stir stir it up. My favorite joke on this subject I heard from a friend of mine who was a hafe American Indian (I forget what tribe) and hafe Mexican. We could relate on several levels of the mixed ahemm "racial" experience.
OK OK so there was this White Preacher and this black Peacher and their both heading down the road argueing back and forth about what race God is. The White Preacher is saying, "you know brother, God loves everybody the same and does'nt look at the color of a mans skin but he judges the heart, but i tell you Gods White!" And the Black Preacher is saying "You know I agree with you but I just happen to have confirmed it in the scriptures that God i s Black."
So they drive happily down the road keeping their good natured arguement alive with scriptural references and pleasant platitudes when this big semi-truck comes along and creams their car sending them both instantly to heaven.
So as the Black Preacher and the White Preacher walk arm and arm to the pearly gates still debating back and forth...Gods White Gods Black thie big booming voice comes out of heaven and say..
"HOLA AMIGOS, WELCOME TO HEAVEN SENOR'S!" (WHAT? YOU DIDN'T KNOW GOD WAS MEXICAN?)
Ameera
That story about your daughter was interesting. So see... the thread goes on and speaks to those most needing to hear it or talk about it. Sometimes I need to talk about it. Oh I can tell when others don't want to hear it so I lay off it and start talking about baseball or something. I love sci fi too.... nice to meet you and welcome to POF Forums... if I'm ever in New York do you wanna do lunch?
NERO1 (and everybody)
I kinda like that point of veiw... I mean the world back then had to be similar to the one there now. You go north and folks get paler you go south and folks get alittle mo color... I think that God Chose Isreal cause they was in the middle of the human experience. So when our common creator chose to dress in flesh and come down here and tell us all to be poor in spirit if we want to be happy and own the kingdom of heaven... then we'd hear if from the wheel in the middle of the wheel.
Oh that was deep... I need to write that down...
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Anti-black Racism in Religion!
Posted: 8/27/2008 12:30:13 PM
It is evident through-out history that we Euro-Anglo-Nordi peans are the superior race. So it's only fitting that we would want to pretend that there ain't no how no way Jesus would have anything in common with the Afro-Indio-Chino cans.
After all... did it not say in the good book that when Jesus appeared on the mount of transfiguring that he was white?
So it's obvious that we will all be white up in da heavenlies.
Even the great Louis Armstrong complained "I'm white inside ... but that don't help my case.... cause I, can't hide ... what is in my face bos bohss si su sizu zu zuu zuuuu."
So what did Louis do to be so black and blue? Well... I 'll tell you.... he uhh... he uhhh...
He played the trumpet and God knew he would make a living by playing the trumpet! And everyone knows Jazz is of the devil.
But of course every one knows that black people in america have mixed enough with us whites so that they ... well some of them... can make it into heaven if they've either been a good cop or soldier and voted republican. Colin Powell might even make it if he supports Mc Cain.
Well... I know that some of them people reading this have a hard time reading so I wrote it slowly.
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Paternal Racism of Blogger Bullies
Posted: 8/21/2008 7:54:05 AM
There are some in this country who have an attitude of Paternal Racism that assumes superiority of character and morality. These are they who owe the greatest debt to this country because of their arrogance and strife causing assumption of having the best possible solutions to everyone else's problems within their own person. These are they who believe the world cannot do without them putting forth their beliefs and opinions since they contain the truth in everything they say and do.
These are the gods who put forth the truth as they see it for those of us who only think we know everything. These are those who are so glad they are not like the rest of us... and they take pity on us who do not see the reality they have created through sheer force of personal being and their ever enduring light of personal perfection.
Those who practice the blogger bully-ism through their paternalistic racism cannot help it if we do not see their enhanced birthright for relative rule and denigrating disregard for all who would disagree with their presumptuous assessment of our beliefs as being inferior to their own.
So now... we bask in the glory of your wondrous light and receive with gratitude the corrections of your beneficent wisdom. Thank you for bringing us here to pick your cotton... We never had it so good.
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Waht is truth?
Posted: 8/19/2008 7:55:21 PM
Waht is truth?
Truth, is the absence of lies.
Oh that's deep... I need to write that down.
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 8/13/2008 8:16:11 AM
(thankyou AD2 and Perfectly_me.)
I watched child preachers today on youtube
and wound up looking at butts in Brazil
and that statue over Rio
Anywho... 44 today and no quatrains to speak of
I shaved off my beard and friends say I look ten years younger
I knew that would happen...
when did I get on the other side of this hill?
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God's Will, or not?
Posted: 8/9/2008 7:45:10 PM
Statueman, your answer is good and pleasing in a philosophical sense - there is no Why, there just Is - is that what you're saying? But what is God's role in this? Are we not allowed to ask questions, must all be blind faith? Is there nothing to discuss?
12watch4
Thankyou. Actually I cheated and stole a couple of paraphrased ideas from Ecclesiastes. Guess there really is "nothing new under the sun". It does get to me that no New Testament references come to mind but I do believe that if you have a question God really doesn't mind you asking. I suppose there is something to discuss but the only New Testament reference that comes to mind I'm afraid won't really answer the question either. I submit it to you only as something that well... came to my mind
Luke 13
1There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
After 9/11 this passage came to my mind. Please don't blast me if you don't see a connection but as I said I am only submitting to the thread what comes to my mind as a believer and student of Jesus and the words I believe are pretty accurately credited to him.
But for the first time let me say that some things do indeed seem to be a matter of faith. But there is no part of me that would agree that we shouldn't ask... Jesus said to "Ask, Seek and Knock" and Solomon said that it is God's glory to conceal a matter and a Kings glory to seek it out. So I suppose that the scientist and the philosophers and us forum posters are all like kings... seeking an answer. And I think we like doing it... seeking that Godlike view of things may seem arrogant to some. But I'm reasonably sure our Almighty creator gave us grace because of and not inspite of our individual everlasting why's.
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God's Will, or not?
Posted: 8/9/2008 6:39:58 AM
Death... the one common destiny of us all. No one knows what tomorrow will bring and still wisdom is better than folly. Still, no one remembers when the poor but wise man saves the day. God is, to me, like the poor but wise man always stepping in to save the day, but this is never remembered. Wisdom is despised and the foolish are ruled by folly... not willing to admit there own humanity they replace grace and faith with an unanswerable why.
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They Think Im in a phase
Posted: 8/4/2008 9:00:59 PM
Well... I believe there is a creator... an original awareness of being that is indeed built into each one of us. That spark of recognition that says simply "I AM". I think it is a very hard thing to look at human beings and call our being a random event in an infinite universe of atoms. But I stop short of thinking folks are necessarily stupid or foolish for believing there is no God. Some of my christian friends have gotten mad at me about this and quoted Davids verse about a fool saying in his heart that there is no God. To this I can only reply that Jesus said anyone who calls a man a fool is in danger of hell fire.
I'm a christian... I'm also a very weird person loved by some hated by some just like anyone else. Somewhere along the line I stopped simply believing in the God of Moses and Jesus and accepted that for all experiences both supernatural and practical I have a knowledge of God... I believe I know that God who told Moses to say "I AM" sent me. I've met and talked to all kinds of Christians and heard all kinds of visions and bible studies but the folks I looked to the most are those who were uniquely poor in spirit. The kind of folks who pursue forgiveness and reconciliation.
I probably fall more into the flakey pentecostal realm of the christian experience than a practical hard nosed blue collar conservative Sean Hannity watching Catholic but I get by. I just don't think we should be torturing people. You folks sure do make for some interesting reading. Could you pass the potatoes?
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 8/2/2008 10:18:16 AM
Who paid the way for my beloved friend
when he walked the earth without a sin?
Who let strange new ideas they already seemed to have
open their purse to seeming beggars
and their persons to vile gossip?
Who walked humbly and quietly next to a man
they served with reverence and childlike love
and made sure his friends had plenty to eat?
Who became like men to sit at and learn at his feet
and receive no more recognition
than a few words in the text of his-story allowed?
Ah Mary Mag... they mistook you for a whore
but it was you who sustained them and waited tables
till they became great and you
like histories hidden hero's got some fine print
Thus women rise in these last days to free
by serving soup and causing many to be accounted righteous
with a smile and a prayer and a Styrofoam cup
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/31/2008 9:04:12 PM
times two and thank you
deemed to be
perfectly me
my Christianity
like my hypocrisy
is to be admitted
and/or discarded
what er' the case may be
Life like all gifts given freely
of the original being
our common creator
and only savior
humble in eternity
granting the poor in spirit
a place there for free
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The Commandments are Difficult? Try the Egyptian Equivalent
Posted: 7/31/2008 7:53:17 AM
Finally I got one!
the last one... I have never killed a cow...
but I googled it and found a bit of a different take
still interesting and seems to be the same but in a different format
It mentioned the "Concept of the Soul in Ancient Egypt" as the "The 42 Declarations of Innocence or Purifications"
anywho...
Hi newwayhome! I don't hang out here much anymore but good to breeze through and say howdy.
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Compassion
Posted: 7/31/2008 7:30:24 AM
How one poem inspires another
sister and brother
NaiveandWitty
who first to do no harm
has brought the solace of confession
and a specific/general honesty
and put it on a table of light
and open hidden doors of the soul
That's me...
That's right!
my soul can no longer win
that fight to stay hidden
and in the dark
I am exposed and undone
but now to LIVE!
and if able...
to overcome
and use the gift that overcometh fear
love of original being
innocent
right now
right here
statueman
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/31/2008 7:20:37 AM
What will the corner prophet sing
but these be words from the heavenly king
and solace I cannot here bring
for God is 'bout to burn everything!
And many people pass in quiet pity
feeling concerned for the man shouting in the city
where there is no point in wasting time
warning of an end that will surely come...
So a minor shaking and people panic
5.4 on the quack-o-matic
and lost ones make many a rash decision
even after earth warns with sharp precision
how can this be?
I think we know...
would we'd see
and be that let the world go...
statueman
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Compassion
Posted: 7/31/2008 7:10:13 AM
I only read a few posts back
but it's always a moving through
a moving through opinions past
and deep appreciation for people who
will dare to question the intent
of our original being
jesyka...
I Saw God was...
Brilliant
and I've read it thrice
Question God with a Vengance!
and roll a humble prophets dice...
statueman
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They Think Im in a phase
Posted: 7/29/2008 11:37:06 PM
Somewhere along the line grace through faith got down graded to salvation by belief... "God said it. I believe it. That settles it." took over and much of American Christianity started focusing on the family or the prosperity or the health and left the sick and hungry and imprisoned to the loving embrace of income tax.
I see rejection of many Churchs as a sign of truth in a person many times... but I won't hazard a guess on whose coming to dinner.
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/29/2008 11:29:21 PM
the world the earth
dominion to dominate
life to propegate
a heaven to come
or babel to rise
be that let the world go
and no meek despise
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/29/2008 12:57:25 AM
Tender light beyond measure
flamed in trial fall to rise
a treasure
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/28/2008 2:56:10 PM
Cast away time like seeds of romance
waiting out the fires of flesh
they may never die...
time to prostrate the prostate
looking for a short doctor with small fingers
Only next with fires pure
a sense of well being far and near
following our Creators cure
with humbled hearts and prostrate ears
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/28/2008 2:48:18 PM
Tense beyond recognition
time take refuge with a game
sitting on a shelf of precognition
pretending not to be going inane
oh... insane I think I meant...
but inane seems to denote some amount
of personal responsiblity so since
I'm republican we'll go with that
Still tense beyond recognition
just sit until God tells you what to do
lost in some adolescent premonition
when the child you were looked to the adult in you
where will I be on this earth and what will I do?
always to young I was to worry about you...
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/21/2008 10:00:18 AM
They help by hurting
they hinder by flattery
they devise and divice and think it through twice
they deny by denial and test by firey trial
those familiar many legged self righteous demons of change
they pious aire they walk as if square they power by ponder
they enslave by wonder
they manage by mischief they talk in disguise they win by loosing
they blind by seeing
So shake your hands of the compromised bribe and chop them off if you took it
And wake your brain from the subtle tune and open your eyes and look it
the snake dances and your Eve's done been seduced again
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They Think Im in a phase
Posted: 7/18/2008 7:14:21 PM
xsentricity,
My catholic family was shocked when at 16 I started going to a pentacostal church. I loved it there and would invite them to come. "I'm catholic" was all they would say... never mind that the last time they went to church was for Aunt Susies funeral.
Anywho... I'm sorry for your loss and thankyou for sharing this. My opinion would be that if you believe in energy and karma then you do believe in something that would hold you to a higher purpose in life. I believe in the teaching of Jesus Christ and for the most part I read him to say that we as christians should not judge those who do not believe in him. I was hurt by some in my family who called me a "religious fanatic" who actually sits and reads the bible. I became anti-catholic for a time until the day I woke up in a catholic hospital emergency room and heard some of the employee's talking about scripture and I gave the address to where it was in the bible. The next day the nurse who I had spoken to brought me a bible with my name in gold lettering.
I think that if your family had been pentacostal they might have treated you the same way. Self righteousnes is self righteousness no matter what sign is above the door of your chosen fellowship. Christian don't corner the market on self righteousness as these forums clearly show. When I'm truly humble I'm at my best... my energy and my karma at that point seem to work hand in hand to witness the validity of my faith in Christ. My hope is that you will give the words of Jesus Christ a second look and not connect them to any of your present experiences. Again thankyou for sharing and welcome to POF forums.
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/11/2008 12:30:31 PM
clap hands once loudly and begin your prayer
silently loudly don't give a care
"Master Please Heal Me!" the crowd he rebuked
"Bring that one too me... what would you I do?"
asking strait forward "Lord I need a prayer"
"Rise up and walk you'll find it... out there."
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/11/2008 12:25:08 PM
trapped in an illusion of marital bliss
the divorce I saw the divorce I missed
lost upon the prenutial soul
the meaning of be that let the world go
he that winneth souls is wise
only souls soon won are souls despised
and lost are those who chosen themselves few
upon hot racks of leftover stew
drown out the matrix
and drown out the pain
the oracles program the subtle refrain
the message a savior with a brand new name
to right the mistakes of the one we thought came
So turned to the right and turned to the left
the strait narrow road of all mercy bereft
and given to politics preaching and pain
and wars to be won protection to gain
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...earths final refrain...
Posted: 7/11/2008 12:15:03 PM
Woe to the proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim
Woe to them that script with pen the petty oppression of welfare to pride
Woe to them that elevate the nave to speak for those oppressed
and leave the wise men to obscurity... so that they can say look and see
Woe to those who make fires and mix wines for destiny
pledging loyalty to the created over that given THE CREATOR
what maniacal lyric is this you ask?
the lyric of the lonely poet with delusions of granduer?
the lyric of the presumptive prophet of lost time...
the lyric of false repentence and subtle resentment
mommy... stop drinking with me in your womb
lest all my life is but an excuse
and the experiments continue
So the herald trumpets the coming invasion
chinese mexicans to take the high points of the cities and beachheads not a few
and the 'third worlds' war come close to home
thus the anarchist prevail for a moment only to see
that Unity must Unity be, that let the world go
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How does Christians cope without SEX ? or Intimate Encounters ?
Posted: 7/11/2008 12:05:17 PM
I'm not sure the internet is appropiate for anything... I used to go to a small town Calvery Chapel singles meeting that turned into a bible study and proof that using too many cliche's can cause migrains. A friend of mine got fed up with being single and got a web tv hookup and met and married a gal in 95 that he's still married to this day. He was 6 foot 8 and weighed 457 lbs so... I still can't figure out what's wrong with me.
Anywho... this is a good blog aqualove and I'm sorry if my comments were inappropriate. I've come to the conclusion that I'm not all that and a bag of chips so I've decided to settle on being the dip.
I love the words of Jesus Christ more than any words I've ever read and feel set free to know that to lust after a woman in my heart is reason to remain humble... to get angry with someone is reason to remain merciful... and to get puffed up with spiritual look at me as I pray pride is reason to stop letting my left hand know what my right hand is doing. I only thank God that my second master is on vacation cause cause trying to serve both is a bit... tough.
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