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 Author Thread: What's your star sign, and are you what they say your characteristics are ?
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 172 (view)
 
What's your star sign, and are you what they say your characteristics are ?
Posted: 11/27/2009 5:28:45 PM
I find that my birthdate tells a lot about me. Like, it tells me I am 41. And that is true...I am 41. Spookily accurate.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 3 (view)
 
And they're off
Posted: 11/27/2009 5:21:39 PM
Hey Avo, Glad to see you back around the forum.

Great thread topic, but the reason it's so quiet in here is because it was recently discussed here http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts13095466.aspx
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 18 (view)
 
The festival of the dolphin massacre
Posted: 11/27/2009 4:25:56 PM
Body heat Naamah. Steady temp all year around. I have warm hands too.
Thanks for the offer Photoman, but I'm currently trialling a particular model of that style of heating. We'll see how it goes I guess, but I'm a one-heater kinda gal. :P


The Faroe Islands have also been purchasing whale meat from Iceland and Norway. If they’re purchasing from other countries, they’re not likely to be discarding their own.


When I read that I thought...but hang on, if they are eating the whales they kill, and assuming this is a cost effective means of acquiring this meat, surely they wouldn't need to buy it from anywhere else? As far as I know we don't import coal, sheep, and stuff we can supply ourselves.

And...then I thought, and if he sees them buying whale meat from elsewhere as some kind of proof that they eat the whales they kill...can we therefore say that them not buying dolphin meat from elsewhere still leaves us without 'proof' that they are eating the dolphins they kill?

So...because your logic seemed rather flawed, I did a bit more digging. What I found out was that the types of whales they are killing themselves are inedible due to high mercury content...so those they kill for fun and tradition. Then...they have to buy a different kind of whale meat from Norway, of the kind that is fit for human consumption.



The red meat and blubber of (toothed) Long-finned Pilot Whales in the Faroe Islands show high toxin levels, which has a detrimental effect on those who eat it. However, in Norway, only the red meat of Minke Whales is eaten and the levels of toxins conform to national limits.

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:k0Q-iB6ETz8J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling+whales+from+norway+contain+mercury&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
...Apparently Baleen whales have even lower levels of mercury. Seems pretty clear to me that the Faroe Islanders are killing Pilot whales for fun and pleasure and eating Minkes they buy from Norway, which negates your assumptions about them eating what they kill in that festival.

And just while we're on Norway and this whole wasting what is killed...you said earlier that the fatty bits are the valuable bits...
Norwegians eat the red meat of whales, but the blubber - once the most valuable part of the catch - is now dumped because there is no domestic market for the fatty tissue.http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=qw116345214417B256
...so there goes that theory too.




Much like smoking, we know it’s bad for us, but we do it anyways.

So (given that you think the Faroe Islanders are eating these mercury laden whales and dolphins they kill) you think plonking a hearty meal of mercury-laden meat in front of the kids for dinner is on a par with smoking? As far as I know, we don't tend to plonk ciggies in front of our kids and encourage them to light up.



Naamah, we both disagree with whale hunting, but we do so for different reasons. You’re motivated by the emotional, ethical and moral side. While for me, it’s just another unnecessary industry which exists only because it can turn a profit.
Actually, I find that I can manage to get both reasons to co-exist in my head simultaneously.



The problem with making it an emotional and moral issue is that only animals which are cute or perceived to be friendly to humans will receive protection.
I hear ya....but you've got the wrong person here. I take in every ugly, useless, unwanted critter I have the resources to assist...don't think sharks would like it here though. I go and collect pythons from other locals and relocate them to my place to hopefully save them from being bashed to death with a shovel, at least until they move on again...I don't spray my house because I couldn't bear to kill the huntsman spiders who do no harm and serve a useful purpose...doesn't mean I want to give them a cuddle...just have no reason to kill them so why would I. I also put my money where my mouth is. I could have renovated my house for what I spend on animal welfare issues... cute and cuddly has nothing to do with it.



I love those visuals! :)
I wouldn't like to be the kind of person who could think something like that.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 113 (view)
 
The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 11/26/2009 5:48:59 PM
Got my ex-battery girls on Sunday. They are probably the baldest caged hens I've ever seen...and from the back they look just like plucked chooks in a supermarket, but still alive. Picking them up is like picking up an echidna, they are so prickly with broken and mangled feathers and their faces are the only truly feathered part of them. They have strange lumps on their faces, two have deformed beaks, one has a deformed foot from a wire cage mutilation that was never treated, and another one is limping now because their poor atrophied bodies aren't used to simple movements. They are such sickly looking birds that I've been throwing their eggs outside my fenceline just in case my dogs pinch them...cos I wouldn't feed those eggs to my dogs. Yuck. And yet in a supermarket somewhere, eggs these girls laid in their cages last week are nicely packaged for consumers to buy. Probably with a picture of a healthy hen on the egg carton. Hah.

Anyway, day 6 today and they are starting to venture out now that all the sights and sounds of the real world have become less scary. This morning I was watching them and three of them walked into a patch of sunlight simultaneously...as soon as they felt the goodness of the morning sun they all fanned out what little wing feathers they have on their right wings, stretched out the leg on the same side, and layed down all spread out on their sides to sunbathe. Despite their damaged ugliness, it was quite graceful, and totally synchronised. The ballet of the mutilated chickens. And the real joy of watching this, is knowing that it comes after not being able to do this totally normal chook thing for 2 years. I am delighted for them.

They constantly dust bathe despite being almost bald cos they just can't get enough of the sensation, and yesterday they discovered grass, which resulted in much excited chatter amongst them. Wait til they realise there is acres and acres of it. Sometimes I see one find something and dash about excitedly as if they've found food...which turns out to be a leaf or a twig...so they've got a lot to learn. And they have worked out now that, despite my weird non-chicken like appearance (apart from perhaps my legs) that I serve the purpose of bringing tasty treats and helping them find a soft nesting box on sunset....so I am now being honoured with their trust.

But of course, somewhere in an egg farm, in the cages so recently occupied by my new girls... are naive young chickens about to face their 2 year imprisonment, with a very high chance of never making it out of their cage alive, of never seeing daylight again, once that cage door clangs shut.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
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The festival of the dolphin massacre
Posted: 11/26/2009 5:16:51 PM

, until now I have not responded.
A little like Pandora's box, once I lift that lid, well. Lets just say my opinions on animal welfare are not always received well from others.

Well...I'm a fan.


Reduce beef and lamb consumption, if you must eat meat, eat kangaroo meat, it is available from Coles stores and much healthier. The beef and lamb industry is one of the greatest environmental disasters for australia. It's impact on our eco system has been devastating and if our ideas and attitude do not change, we will continue to see not only our native fauna disappearing but our landscape resembling a uninhabitable hostile scape, not unlike mars.

I hear ya. Humans are rather clever at forcing nature to do our bidding, but there is always a price to pay...for nature and for us, given that we cannot separate ourselves from it even though our egos would tell us otherwise. We apparently want the same meat in every country so we shunt animals around to suit ourselves, and we want fruit etc out of season, and in countries it was never meant to grow in. And for a while I guess our parent's generation, in particular, felt really really clever. Much more clever than their parents, who kept backyard chooks and yet did not eat chicken every day of the week because they were balancing things out....no, our parents mechanised everything and speeded it up and found ways to make things happen that aren't in accordance with the natural way of things so they could have it all, more, now, no waiting, all the time. And it's now us, and our kids, who are paying the ferry man.

And yeah, why don't we eat kangaroos...cos we go out and mass slaughter them anyway, to make sure they don't eat the grass we want for our cows.


Do not burn fire wood, not only does it reduce your carbon foot print, but if using wood sourced from native habitat, it is destroying homes and shelter for many creatures.
Guilty on this count I'm afraid. Mostly I burn fallen stuff from my property, which stops my own home from becoming a fire hazard, but I do also buy a trailer load of firewood every year. Can I ask...what do you recommend as the most environmentally friendly method of keeping warm?


now we can make our own by growing it in a petri dish or should that be petri pot?
Interesting. I know some will scream about wanting to keep eating "naturally grown food", but probably mainly the people who have no idea how very unnaturally we produce meat and food generally right now. And if we can't keep our numbers down, and keep clearing land for more of us, and more cows to feed the more of us, then something has to give.


I don't even need or want to look at the picture because that would just make me angry and that would serve no purpose.

Depends on how you use your anger. If it motivates you to take positive action then...good.


It is so unfortunate what many races in the World do commit horrifying rituals/acts
and say its entitled because of 'my culture'.
It's not only Denmark but multidudes of other Countries

Absolutely right Miss Fee...and that was kinda what I'd intended for the thread topic...but the way it's gone is good too.


They do use it for food, but the valuable part is the fat.

It’s rather hard to believe that any sane person would devote that much time, effort and money, half a dozen times every year, into an activity which produces no financial gain. To suggest the people of the Faroe Islands are ritualistic and sadistic killers, is nothing more than animal activist propaganda.

Before I posted this thread I did a bit of reading, and found some conflicting stories here and there...as ya do. But I read enough from enough reliable sources, not all animal activist sites, to be sure enough of the accuracy of this before I posted it. And I have read in several places that the dolphin meat is not fit for human consumption because of mercury levels etc. Same with the dolphins the Japanese are slaughtering. So in the interests of further education, would you mind providing me with some links/references that I can source that confirm what you are saying...that they are gaining food from this mass killing.


they kill less than a 1000 Pilot whales every year.

They round up entire pods with motor boats, into a shallow bay, and jump in and slash them to death with metal hooks. I guess at least there are no family members left to grieve for each other after they are finally all dead, but horror aside...as I quoted earlier, it's messing with the gene pool.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 33 (view)
 
Bottom Line - Is it Ok to Shag Your Step Siblings ??????
Posted: 11/26/2009 4:54:03 PM

So that means if you marry someone who has a 16 year old daughter...you can shag her?? because its not related????

That particular situation introduces different elements though. In that situation the man shouldn't shag the 16 year girl because it would be cheating on, and betraying the trust of, his partner (the girl's mother)...and because of the age difference that would exist. Clearly there are other considerations and issues surrounding a 40 something man shagging a 16 year old girl that do not apply to a 40 something man shagging a 40 something woman.
In this situation being discussed here, nobody is cheating on anybody, and they are both in their 40's, and there was no 'growing up together' aspect to it.


Thank you for echoing my sentiments! Someone with commonsense finally. I don't understand how anyone can think this is ok.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it is ideal, but most can see past any knee jerk reaction because at the end of the day, there is nothing logical about getting outraged about consensual sex between two adults. There was no betrayal of trust, neither was an authority figure to the other, they did not grow up as siblings, there was no age issue, no genetic issue, and no illegality...so why state that your opinion is the only one that would be considered 'common sense'?
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 22 (view)
 
ls too much SEX bad for you??? ..lol
Posted: 11/26/2009 7:09:31 AM

I know personally someone who only fvcked tradies because she wanted to see how much of her house she could get renovated for free.

This forum is an endless source of inspiration. And here's me senselessly saving up for a kitchen reno.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 24 (view)
 
How vulnerable do women feel with their lover?
Posted: 11/26/2009 7:07:13 AM
Even if theyre praising you ,flirting,conning,or coeursing you..all the way to the bedroom.They dont admit it.

Conning? Coercing? It's none of my business, but as a rhetorical question, what is it that makes you assume that they are lying about finding you desirable? What is being perceived as trickery might indeed be genuine desire, that is being viewed through a lens of insecurity. Besides, if you are perhaps seduced, it is still your choice...and being seduced can be delicious.


lts BOTH.

Personally I think opening yourself up to being vulnerable, in this context, means letting go of insecurities....and so in that respect it doesn't feel to me like 'both'. Think about all the faults you perceive about yourself whilst taking a sharp breath in, and hold it...that's insecurity. Exhale and relax every atom of your body as you entrust it to the welcome scrutiny of an adored lover...that's vulnerability.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
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G. Edward Griffin's A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B-17
Posted: 11/26/2009 5:42:01 AM
^^^ Ahh all these old names ringing bells. I recall Tom Mower was done for some major tax evasion at one point, but at the time that was all we could find on him. And...the name Phillip Day is a name that popped into my head when I started thinking about all this stuff again...I think he is the author of the books. I think that same Neways lot also say that AIDS is a myth...made up by doctors...or something like that. Krebs...the originator of this B17 stuff also rang bells. They are a pack of idiots. Dangerous idiots.

I'll tell you something else disgusting...the person who pointed us in this B17 direction was my husband's own mother. She was caught up in Neways. She actually told us one day, before his surgery, that she was using her own son as a case study to assist in the sales of her products. Bully for her eh? Gotta sell products anyway you can. It's all about the dollar. He told her to never mention Neways in his presence again after that.

And it was her who looked me in the eye and told me this "doctor" who could sell us B17 was a doctor, when she would have known he wasn't. She told us he had no connection to Neways, that she merely wanted what was best for her son. It was only later we found out the truth, that he was in Neways up to his eyeballs, and wasn't a doctor. The Neways people had trained her well. I prefer to think she was brainwashed rather than evil, but, who knows.

In addition to the bum steer with the fake cure from the fake doctor, unbeknownst to me or the hospital staff, she was also spooning a Neways product (a thick black syrup-like product) into his mouth when he was still at 'clear liquids only' stage after his surgery. Cos even though they couldn't touch the tumour, he had a gastric bypass because it had blocked his duodenum. So we were all stumped when he started vomiting this black stuff a few days after the surgery. There were fears something had been missed in surgery...but it was only because she was spooning this Neways magic cr@p into him whenever my back was turned...and he was too out of it on morphine to register what was going on. Plus it was his mum and you are meant to be able to trust your mum. I certainly thought she was someone I could trust to be by his side when I needed to go run errands etc. The doctors were beside themselves not knowing what was causing the vomiting...and then hit the roof when we all found out.

The only reason I found out what she was doing was because oneday she asked me to pay for it. Yep, wasn't even a "gift" for her terminally ill son...was still a "sale". I had no idea what she was talking about...so many people had brought things up to the hospital, I didn't really know what was there or who it was from. I told her I wasn't going to pay her for whatever it was, and that nobody else had asked for money for any gifts they brought in. She said it had to be paid for because it was Neways stock...I said well, take it back then. That was when she told me it had already been opened because she had been spooning it into his mouth. How's that for a clever method to get a sale, hey? Those Neways people...their training must be nothing if not thorough. Wait til your terminally ill son is drugged out on morphine, ignore the sign on the bed that says "clear liquids only" and then spoon a thick black tar-like substance into his mouth, then ask his wife to pay for it because the bottle has been opened. Never mind that it's made him vomit and cause mass panic. As soon as her secret ministrations were stopped, he came good again.

Stupid or evil? Who knows. But I reckon my Mother in Law from hell story (cos there was more to the tale thereafter!!) can pip any floating around out there.

Last I heard, the fake doctor was fund raising to open a B17 clinic just outside Australian boundaries so he could sidestep laws that prevent him from claiming to be able to cure cancer as well as selling the stuff. Much like the clinics that spring up in places like Mexico...taking people's life savings under the pretense of claiming to cure cancer, and shipping the bodies back to the US thereafter, riddled with cyanide.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 22 (view)
 
How vulnerable do women feel with their lover?
Posted: 11/26/2009 3:34:19 AM
The wording in the OP could allow for different interpretations.
This
women felt physically and emotionally vulnerable when with her lover
and this
with respect for the other person, without that sort of "threat" hanging over their heads
...sound like chalk and cheese to me.

A person can feel vulnerable because of a choice to totally open themselves up to another person...which has nothing whatsoever to do with feeling under threat. The kind of vulnerable Jules (welcome back btw ) was talking about comes from a place of choosing to hide nothing, of keeping no barrier or facade between you (whether physical or emotional), of not playing it cool, of saying 'here I am', of surrendering any defences, and allowing yourself to just immerse yourself in this moment with this person both physically and emotionally . It's all given ... not taken. Nobody is threatening anybody, but this choice leaves you open to being hurt, thus it is felt as vulnerability.

I don't think it has a whole lot to do with cellulite...that's insecurity, not vulnerability.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 18 (view)
 
G. Edward Griffin's A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B-17
Posted: 11/26/2009 3:15:47 AM

onya naamah love ya guts

Been reading your posts and, errrm, I can't get pregnant from that can I?
Love ya guts too Caves.

It's good to get it out there in case anyone else gets B17 waved in their face right when they are vulnerable, rather than now, when it's less loss to hear it's not real.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 10 (view)
 
G. Edward Griffin's A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B-17
Posted: 11/25/2009 1:16:11 AM
PS. B17 is not a vitamin. That's just a name they gave it to help market it. The word vitamin sounds like it must be good.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 9 (view)
 
G. Edward Griffin's A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B-17
Posted: 11/24/2009 11:55:35 PM
The B17/laetrile claim has been around for a while.
Steve MacQueen was their poster boy when he opted to use it to treat his cancer.
But he died so they stopped mentioning him.
Barry Sheene the motorbike rider, opted to use it to treat his cancer.
But he died so they don't mention him anymore either.

Actually when Barry Sheene had first opted to use B17 rather than traditional chemo/radiotherapy to treat his cancer, he appeared in Woman's Day in an article. That article was written as if this was the miracle cure that doctors don't want you to know about. Right when that particular issue of Woman's Day was around, I was sitting beside my husband who was in a hospital bed. It was 23rd Dec. We'd just been told that the surgeon was unable to remove a pancreatic tumour because it had infiltrated some pretty major veins, and that an attempt would have more likely seen him not come back from surgery rather than have the 3 months left to live that they reckoned he had with the tumour in place. We'd just been told that palliative treatment was all that was on offer, that death was inevitable. I was 34, and my husband was 30 years old.

And it was about then that this magazine article about B17 was propped in front of us.

I'd say that neither of us were stupid people. Not overly naive, or gullible. Not the sorts of people who would normally seek medical advice from a cr@ppy woman's magazine article. But we'd just had our world turned upside down and been stripped of all hope by the medical profession...and there was Barry Sheene holding up a light at the end of our tunnel.

A company called Newways was distributing books, written by a guy whose name escapes me now. In those books, it was blatantly stated that B17 would cure cancer. But the distributors of the book didn't sell the treatment. They could just unofficially pass on the names of a doctor who would administer B17 treatment. A 'doctor'...that sounded reassuring. It was gonna cost us $7000 every 3 weeks. Because it's not just a matter of eating apricot seeds when you make actual enquiries...that's just the tease...cos it sounds oh so natural, and oh so affordable, right. Hah. We would have to sell the house to be able to afford it on an ongoing basis, given that we both had stopped work, had no insurance, etc cos you don't think this will happen to you in your early 30's. But ...you don't care when the only other alternative is death. You'd give everything you have. Gladly. They had our attention...and all our hope was now pointed in that direction...it was all we had.

Then my brother did some research for us. He found out about Steve MacQueen, and a myriad of other facts about the history of this "cancer cure". He told us about the people who have died from treatment because it can result in consuming lethal quantities of cyanide. He called us at the hospital, cos I was living there, and told me.
I cried, and said ...'no ******** please don't tell me this.' I just needed it to be real, ya know.

The publishing company of the book, was owned by the author himself...that's one way to get your books published I guess. He had a financial link to the company who was distributing the books, which was not made apparent. Some of the 'experts' quoted in the books were also linked to the company distributing the books. The people selling the B17 also had financial links to the distributor of the books, however were not distributing the books themselves, nor would they say outright that B17 would cure cancer...cos that would be illegal. So, if you ask them, does this stuff cure cancer, they just tell you to read the books...as if they are an independent reference. It takes some digging to find the behind the scenes connection, and show that they are all in bed together. They merely have to be careful to evade prosecution...so the people selling the B17 won't say it cures cancer, and the people saying it cures cancer aren't actually selling the B17...and therefore nobody is blatantly breaking the law by selling something they claim cures cancer when it doesn't.

We also then found out that the 'doctor' we were referred to was not a doctor at all, despite having MD after his name on his letterhead. I can't remember the names of all the bodies/government departments now, but the government authority who keep doctors in line couldn't touch him, because he wasn't a doctor. They can only take action against doctors. Someone pretending to be a doctor...kinda falls between the cracks. In the end we were referred to the police.

My husband was out of hospital by then, and the police asked us to come in to the city station and call the "doctor" bloke so they could record the conversation. If he would say out loud that he was a doctor, or that B17 would cure cancer, then they could get him. But he was wiley and his careful choice of words gave them nothing strong enough to go him. The police referred us to A Current Affair, believe it or not, but we didn't want our lives on TV...and we had better things to do with our precious time. The only reason we tried to help out at all was cos we didn't want to see anyone else be deceived at one of the most vulnerable times of their life, like we almost were. But we weren't willing to give up our last months together to try and fight through red tape to get some government official somewhere to take responsibility.

But that giving of false hope, only to have it stripped away...is...loss. It's criminal. To take advantage of people in such a vulnerable state of mind. Had we not found out the truth then, we would have given away all our money as well as had the same eventual realisation that it was false hope, and he still would have died.

It's a crock.

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:6Iu_BQlgVtcJ:www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/UnconventionalTherapies/LaetrileAmygdalinVitaminB17SarcarcinaseNitriloside.htm+laetrile+poison+c&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Freddo Frogs
Posted: 11/23/2009 4:46:12 AM
A sliding scale where the punishment is decided by the value or perceived value of the crime or goods. Maybe for car theft we would have to get three quotes on the car first? For theft from the supermarket you get a reduced sentence for knocking off the weekly special. Maybe we could even introduce an Express Court for 8 previous warnings or less?

Errm, humour aside, we do have sliding scales for punishments. Otherwise it'd be life in jail for every wrongdoing, wouldn't it?


We don't, and won't ever know the history of the child offender.

No, we don't. Funny how you admit that and yet have asserted (or at least strongly alluded to believing) in several posts now that he is a kid who is off the rails...and you have based your point of view on that...without knowing. You know of other kids and other examples...and you project all of that onto this kid like some kind of sacrificial lamb. But you don't know about this kid. Wot, innocent til proven guilty doesn't apply here? I'd certainly appreciate someone who thought so if I got done for receiving a stolen chocolate. And given my confessed history with the hairdryer price tag incident...I guess I really should be locked up?



Your statement about the kid is correct in that he is being charged with receiving stolen goods and the law makes no distinction between a freddo frog or a TV.

So you would be happy enough to think that IF a person took receipt of stolen weapons, or a car, or jewelery...that the law would make no distinction and would treat the whole situation the same as if a person took receipt of a stolen freddo? Cos if you don't think punishment should be downscaled then surely you can't think it should be upscaled either?

And...what about the consideration of a guilty act and a guilty mind occurring simultaneously? How come so many are assuming he knew the items were stolen?
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 1 (view)
 
The festival of the dolphin massacre
Posted: 11/23/2009 4:31:54 AM
I don''t know how I have lived for 41 years without having ever heard of this before, but I think I've just lost all faith in the human species after seeing it.

In Denmark, apparently they go out and round up dolphins, and whales...chase them into a bay...and then slaughter them with metal hooks.

Do they do it for food? Nope.
The inhabitants of the Faroe Islands have no subsistence need for whale/dolphin meat, and much of the flesh is left to rot and be dumped; it cannot be exported, as it is polluted with heavy metals and other toxins and therefore cannot meet EU heath standards for human food.


So why?
Every year, in Denmark, specifically the Faroe Islands, innocent and helpless Calderon Dolphins are slaughtered brutally by the danes. Why you may ask, simply because. A pointless and stupid right of passage to manhood.

The poor dolphins are stabbed a number of times, but as if that weren't enough, they bleed to death, probably in excruciating pain while the whole town watches.


Photographs of this "traditional festival" here... http://rense.com/general88/barb.htm and you can see the bay, entirely red with blood.

It's on youtube as well, but oddly enough...must be 18 to view. As opposed to the place it goes on, where kids are given the day off school to go watch and cheer.

The Faroese celebrate the butchery of their victims in an carnival atmosphere of entertainment. Indoctrinated from an early age, children are often given a day off school to watch the fun. They run down to the bay and clamber over the carcasses of slaughtered whales/dolphins.


So to be a man, you have to be able to blindly follow a brutal tradition and slaughter something with a metal hook without noticing that it's pointless and cruel? And the kids watching are taught to look forward to their turn. I've heard people try to justify some pretty dumb sh1t under the guise of "tradition" before, but surely not this? Not in this day and age where it is finally dawning on us what damage we have done to the planet?

By slaughtering 100 whales at a time, the Faroese are wiping out entire pods and family groups. They are removing building blocks from the gene pool of the species and damaging the web of life in the North Atlantic and the North Sea.


So...can people really justify anything...this, or any horrible, destructive, violent act... if they call it "tradition" or "rite of passage" or, heaven forbid..."culture"?




*PS. Petition about that ^^^ is here ...
http://www.gopetition.com.au/petitions/denmark-end-whale-dolphin-salughter.html?utm_medium=RSS
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Freddo Frogs
Posted: 11/23/2009 3:14:16 AM
^^^ They do indeed. But does taking responsibility involve the community applying punishments that seem completely out of synch with the wrong-doing? You see, I think overly harsh punishments that do not fit the crime are far more likely to reduce the likelihood of a person taking personal responsibility, causing them instead to feel like a victim themselves...forgetting that they are the perpetrator...develop a blaming mentality. Going too far can cause people to not take responsibility. Eg. If you were thrown in jail for 6 months for driving 5 klms over the speed limit...would you spend those 6 months beating yourself up for your mistake and becoming determined about not doing it again...or would you spend 6 months thinking about how ridiculous and extreme and over the top the punishment is? The reaction to the punishment is what causes a change in behaviour, positive or negative, so it's important to aim for the right reaction by selecting the right way to handle it.

PS I am not against law enforcement, or jail...I am just pro making the punishment fit the crime. This kid received a stolen freddo. It should have been kept in proportion.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Religion and Politics
Posted: 11/23/2009 3:02:50 AM
^^^ Always take time to smell the butterflies.

Agnostics have decided though...they have decided that it is unknowable. I personally don't have an issue with a person who can acknowledge that in a world where improbabilities do sometimes seem to exist in amongst scientifically proven facts and averages, that something could be considered unknowable. In one way, they are less blinkered than even atheists because whilst they don't 'believe' due to lack of evidence, they merely want to give a quick nod to things as yet unknown. Given that both atheists and agnostics would be open to changing their viewpoint in the face of evidence to the contrary, I can respect either viewpoint as being one that demonstrates capacity for independent thought and logical reasoning, and changing one's mind if one learns one is wrong. But when a person has made a conscious choice that evidence holds less value than blind faith, and actually views that as a positive quality to possess, I worry what else they might have blind faith in, and what other evidence they don't think is necessary or can be ignored for the mere sake of holding onto pre-existing ideas.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 37 (view)
 
Freddo Frogs
Posted: 11/23/2009 2:11:04 AM
Would so many of the posters be this vocal if a white kid was in this position??
For me this has nothing to do with the kid's race, so yes, I would take the same stance if the kid was white. It would still be a gross over-reaction.

The only people whose views would change would be those who have formed their view based on race, rather than simply on the circumstances of the situation....and that would include anyone chanting for the kid's head because of some imagined fear of the potential of us all to be killed in our beds by wayward black kids if we don't crack down on them for every minor infraction, and anyone chanting for the heads of white people on the basis that this is absolute proof that white man is evil and always tries to harm black people and really should all apologise for their very existence and immediately top themselves.

I get so tired of extremist race viewpoints and everyone making everything about skin colour when it should be about common sense.

Except of course for those people with freckles...they so can't be trusted and we should come down hard on them.


If this kid had received your stolen computer from the person who stole your computer then should we just slap his wrist??

Well he could have received stolen nuclear weapons and an airforce plane too...but, the thing is, he didn't. It was a freddo frog. I doubt that a justice system, where we are punished for what we could have done, would be particularly effective.

I mean...just applying that sort of projecting, aaaand some of the other reasoning I am seeing in this thread, to another situation.. to see how it sounds...
Let's say you get caught doing 5 klms over the speed limit by the cops. Hmm ok so we could just give you a fine and deduct points. But!...the cops reason that, really, you could have been doing 50 klms over, and you could have killed someone. You could even have been doing 100 klms over...knocked into a servo...caused an explosion...wiped out an entire community. Or you could have crashed into a laboratory and accidentally released a lethal virus and wiped out all of humanity. God, really, dealing with this as if you were merely going 5 klms over the limit doesn't seem appropriate given your potential to do wrong on a bigger scale. Better come down hard on you and nip it in the bud and just punish you now for the things you could do...so we'll throw you in jail for manslaughter. Fair enough? Because it's the only way you will learn...and next time it could be worse...and the fact that you were 5 klms over shows your capacity to do much worse...and you are clearly destined for a life of incessant speeding. And of course, there are other people with your same colour hair and eyes who have been problem drivers and you are probably juuuuusssst like them.

(I don't mean to pick on you there Qld Blue...just trying to demonstrate what I am hearing when I read this sort of melodramatic foreboding about what this freddo incident could mean for society.) When I was a teenage girl, I once changed the price tag on a hairdryer I wanted... so it fell into the budget my Mum had allowed me. I didn't tell Mum until we were through the checkout and on the way home. She was shocked, and too embarrassed to go back. She punished me in some way or another...didn't include being thrown in jail like that kid had happen to him...and yet somehow I have managed to avoid a life of crime. Narrowly, no doubt. ;) (Told ya people with freckles are not to be trusted.)
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Bottom Line - Is it Ok to Shag Your Step Siblings ??????
Posted: 11/22/2009 4:26:23 AM
^^^ But he's not young...he's in his 40's.


now he returned in his 40’s caught up with his step sister..one thing lead to another and yep….well lets say that got real close !!!!

Oh wait...40's...yes, he is young. Verrrry young indeed. Yessiree...young young young.
But not the kinda young you seem to mean.

So this guy grows up in Aus...he regularly (Pooks does 'regularly' mean like twice a year or something??) sees a female in another country ... for very short periods... throughout his life (Pookie says his parents split up when he was quite young) ... but doesn't spend enough time with her for that natural sense of being siblings to establish.

They are in and out of each other's lives...see each other grow up. A crush develops, and attraction forms over the years. But, they go on to lead their own lives...until, after a 12 year absence, fate causes them to find themselves in each other's company as single adults. So as a man in his 40's (and her somewhere in the vicinity of, I am guessing??) they decide to shag.

Change 'shag' to 'make ze lurrrve', add romantic European scenery and you've got a Mills and Boon classic storyline. Ok the woman happens to be the daughter of a person one of his parents married, but given the other circumstances, it still makes her really no more than a family friend from his perspective.

Of course, then the hero turns out to be a cad. But all that means is that the author concerned is given a "Don't Come Back Monday" by Mills and Boon.




is it ok to have sexual relations with your step siblings ?
If you grew up in the same household, from young, I'd think it was distinctly weird. But this situation seems less weird to me.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Photography - those interested in this topic
Posted: 11/20/2009 10:15:40 PM
^^^ I am still in touch with CC...happily married woman she is now...and making a living out of her work too. I will look up her website and pm you.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 110 (view)
 
The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 11/20/2009 9:54:16 PM
These stinking hot days in Brisbane...watching my own chooks pant and struggle to stay cool even under shady trees... and, as I do, I have been thinking about the battery hens crammed into cages in sheds with poor ventilation. Caged hens always die in huge numbers when the hot weather hits. Made me realise...it's about time I got my act together and got back into trying to rehabilitate a few. I got banned from the last "farm" that used to sell them to me because I always used to cry when the woman would carry these wretched creatures out by their legs...and she got sick of my pity making her feel bad. Shame on me for caring about stupid old chooks.

So anyway, I've found this woman in Brisbane who acts as a middle-man and helps rehouse ex-caged hens and I am picking up 4 newbies tomorrow. It's so rewarding...I encourage anyone who has a bit of yard and a suitable chook pen (or you can buy a pre-made one on wheels) to give it a try. They need a bit of help at the start until they learn that they can actually walk, and preen, and that they can get food from somewhere other than a conveyer belt, and that dirt baths are bliss, and that the green stuff growing out of the ground is tasty, and why the ceiling is suddenly really high up and so blue with white fluffy things in it, and what on earth they are meant to do when the sun goes down cos they've been in constant light for a few years. It takes a few weeks. But watching them contend with all these pleasant surprises as they reacquaint themselves with the planet outside a shed, and come back to life, and their feathers grow back, and their white faces go back to a more natural red... is lovely.

If anyone in Brisbane is interested in housing a few ex-battery hens, I can pass on this woman's contact details if you pm me. Very rewarding and very eye opening...great learning experience for kids. It won't solve the world's problems, but it will make a difference to those few birds who are lucky enough to escape to a better life...and I reckon, it will stir a reaction within you. I've seen some hard hearts touched by witnessing this sort of thing in real life..and these are just the chooks the "farms" are willing to let the public see...there are others they would never dare let us see, and they get really upset when anyone steps inside the sheds...not meant for public eyes, all that. (And yes, this woman does acquire them legally, and no she doesn't charge any money for them as long as they go to a good home.)
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Religion and Politics
Posted: 11/20/2009 5:46:24 PM
Not only would it not bother me, but I would rather the PM have atheist leanings, or be agnostic, than the follower of a particular religion. I am not entirely comfortable having someone 'in charge' who has absolute certainty about the existence of an invisible entity based on mythology. I prefer someone who reveres logic. Besides, religions all claim to be about sugar and spice and all things nice...and so you'd imagine that if only religious folk ruled the world we'd all live in peace and love. And yet throughout history, whenever a religion has been in control...it has been far from pretty.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 102 (view)
 
the aussie POF forum
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:52:39 AM
we are really just bobbing about in Space

Well now I understand why my ears keep popping.


You see, if you look at a regular globe of the world, Australia is located quite far South.
I am one of those people who has to turn the map around to suit the way I am facing. Therefore if I am facing north the regular globe works fine, but if I turn south then the globe has to go up the other way. Apologies for any inconvenience and additional dizziness this may cause.
http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/

Am facing south at the moment, so hello from Up Over.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Freddo Frogs
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:44:36 AM
Post 20. Whilst we both ostensibly agree that the reaction to the situation has been overly extreme, I don't see a lot in the content of your posts that holds much relevance. You are trying to present a myriad of reasons why stealing a freddo frog might be deemed justified...whereas I am not, would not, and the kid did not steal a freddo.

*sighs and gives Postergirl a wave in post 21*

This story must just have so many mouths watering...those who like to bag Aboriginals...those who like to bag cops...those who like to bag white Australians...those who like to bag the rich...those who like to bag the poor...those who love to be bleeding hearts and those who love to bag bleeding hearts, those who like to bag shopkeepers, lawyers, judges, and the makers of Freddo frogs. Oh yes, there is someone for everyone to hate. Everyone wins a prize here today.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Freddo Frogs
Posted: 11/16/2009 7:45:49 PM
I made a point of taking him and the lip gloss back to the shop to pay for it because I think its important to respect other people's belongings, even if they're an anonymous store owner.

Yes, that reaction seems appropriate for the behaviour. Compare that to this kid, who has been put in a prison cell for several hours and has had a media storm descend on him and has to appear before court. And he didn't actually steal the item.

Yes we all want kids to get the message that stealing is wrong. But do you really think this is the loudest message this kid is hearing in all this?


" It's alright for you down south with your nice suburbs/houses/communities etc..., You should try living your life here and having this anti social behavior going on about you..., day in/day out. It's not just the kids it's the whole extended family !"
I've experienced what they are talking about. But to pick out a 12 year old kid, who was given a stolen chocolate, and make him a whipping boy is not the answer. Overreaction adds to the problem.

And the fact that there has been such an overreaction...all smacks of this kid being treated as being some sort of representative of an entire group of people, rather than as an individual case. A sacrificial lamb for all the problems in the area.

isn't it sadder that these kids couldn't afford to buy a freddo frog each?....were they overpriced?

Oh c'mon, let's not make the shopkeeper the whipping boy either. BMWs are overpriced too...doesn't mean I can just go take one, so the point is moot.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Freddo Frogs
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:45:25 PM


It always staggers me how fast people jump on board to bag the police!

I wasn't sure who you meant there...I can't see where anyone on this thread has bagged the police, so I assume you mean the media? But in case you were making reference to my 'adults are d1ckheads' comment...well I was actually including all adults involved in this, ...the cops, the media, and those jumping on the race bandwagon, and those telling the kid that cops are evil, and basically everyone who is jumping up and down and making this the circus it now is. Imagine being a kid and watching adults carry on like this over your mate giving you a chocolate. It's not gonna teach you much respect for them, is it.

I often defend the police, but in this case I do think they've gotten it wrong. The theories about jumping on this kid hard in order to 'save him' from a life of crime...even though there is some merit in that theory somewhere... you still have to pick your moments. There is such a thing as overkill. If you jump all over a kid for something so obviously trivial, there is far more likelihood of teaching resentment and a core belief that our justice system is not just, and other attitudes that are probably more likely to steer a kid towards a life of feeling like a victim who proceeds to thumb his nose at the law and the cops. And he'll have those who already hate cops in his ear...."see, we told you the police are out to get us." They have basically fed that attitude by not picking their battles wisely.


Yet,if were in danger,whos the people we want there NOW?!!

Absolutely. And imagine if they can't get there cos they are busy fingerprinting a 12 year old who received a stolen freddo frog.


How would you feel if someone nicked your Freddos??

Given that the kid didn't nick the freddo, perhaps it would be more relevant to ask ourselves... if someone offers us a freddo, do we ask to sight proof of lawful purchase before accepting the chocolate?
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Freddo Frogs
Posted: 11/16/2009 6:07:13 AM
The boy, who has no prior convictions, also faces a second charge involving the receipt of a novelty sign from another store. The sign, which was also allegedly given to the boy by his friend, read: ”Do not enter, genius at work.”
Nup, no prior convictions. Some reports do say he has been spoken to by police before... which... tells us nothing. Given that those cops are clearly not backwards in coming forwards when it comes to charging for minor offences, if this kid had been a bad ar$e, sure as anything he'd have prior convictions. He doesn't seem like much of a threat to law and order to me. Dang, he's not even the thief!

No doubt all kids need discipline when they get busted for shoplifting but this child did not steal. His friend gave him a freddo frog and a novelty sign that his friend had stolen. Did he even know the friend had stolen those 2 things? Imagine your child at 12 being put in a cell and being charged and taken through court all because a friend at school gave him/her a stolen chocolate. I doubt there is a parent here who would sit back and go, "yeah if it was my kid I would find that reasonable...the punishment suits the wrongdoing". The whole chosen response to the child's actions seems ...(and I am pinching a turn of phrase I saw elsewhere) ... about as appropriate as using a bulldozer to catch a butterfly.

So now this kid is listening to adults argue about what degree of punishment is appropriate for accepting a freddo frog from his friend. He's listening to some rant about him being taught a lesson. He's listening to others bag the justice system and the cops. And he's catching bits and pieces of debate about rich versus poor, black versus white.
Is he being taught a lesson? Well yeah... and I reckon the main lesson this kid is gonna learn out of all this is, that adults can be absolute d1ckheads sometimes.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 71 (view)
 
The love equation
Posted: 11/15/2009 7:48:26 AM
there had to be some special mechanism that prevented most of us from choosing not to reproduce because if their wasn't no sane person would want to spend their life changing nappies when they could be out riding motorcycles and so nature invented that in-love feeling to get us to cooperate.

As far as I was aware that is lust's job... luring us to procreate is the role of various pleasurable physical reactions, not the least of which is orgasm. And love's job is moreso for the purpose of getting the parents to stick together for a couple of years to increase the chances of the survival of the newborn human... given how helpless we are at birth compared to other animals, and how it therefore made sense to have a nurturer and a bringer of food. I've read that the in love sensations tend to fizzle at about the stage where the child is between 4 and 7, their job having been done, according to nature. Of course, family law decisions about child support payments have proven far more enduring than this love caper that nature managed to come up with. :p


Now of course this assumes that ducks, for example, don't have that in-love feeling but surely that can't be right?
Wild ducks are different but I have seen drakes and ducks amongst my lot that I would consider to be more in love more than some married humans, and certainly I have seen how they grieve for partners who have died. But their breeding habits are held distinct from their emotions for their partners. My ducks usually team up with another female duck and share a nest/child rearing duties. The drakes concerned have nothing to do with the kids, nor do the ducks seem to want them to as single motherhood seems to suit them just fine. After the children are raised, the ducks go back to hanging out with their drake of choice, and seem as close as they had been before the babies. It seems all a very conscious choice...nobody ever accidentally hatches an egg... and in fact a couple of my ducks have chosen to never sit on eggs. Of course clearly this demonstrates our superiority over ducks, given that they are obviously not advanced enough to argue over child access visits and who gets the CD collection and the garden furniture.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 69 (view)
 
The love equation
Posted: 11/15/2009 6:34:09 AM
^^^ I might get shot (or committed) for saying this, but maybe you can trick nature/biology into letting you stay deluded and in love by not giving her what she seeks and not producing babies. That way she never gets to just sit back and congratulate herself on a job well done...she has to keep plugging away, keeping you attracted to each other, circulating all those feel good hormones in her endless attempt to meet her agenda. Cos she's a sneaky one. (I am fairly sure she is also the one who commissions all those nappy commercials that show happy babies and well-rested mothers.) Maybe you can basically beat her at her own game, take all the oxytocin she peddles to lure people in, use it for your own selfish purposes and keep telling her...yerr oneday...we're trying!

Edit
As for you being the “inarticulate, violent, drunken bully with a mental disorder in the relationship” I won’t have put it quite that way myself but I suppose that “wonderful” had to balance something out, though nothing comes to mind; honest.

lol and ...meh. I still say I am on the preferable side of the equation. :)
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 67 (view)
 
The love equation
Posted: 11/15/2009 5:19:49 AM
the tendency of a great many people to seek out the same obviously unsuitable kind of person over and over again, it does in some sense seem to capture some of the most eye rolling aspects of life.

Or as I recently said to one of oldest and dearest friends “don’t worry I am sure that sooner rather than later your will-to-life will persuaded you that another inarticulate, violent, drunken bully is a prince
So given that in my case I managed to get the "will to life" thing happening with the wonderful man I married (and then we both thumbed our noses at that by reaching agreement about his choice to get a vasectomy...take THAT mother nature!) ... I have every chance of seeking out the same obviously suitable and wonderful kind of person next time around? Woohoo.

Perhaps might mean that I am the inarticulate, violent, drunken bully with a mental disorder in the relationship though.
Ah fukc it...it works for me.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 15 (view)
 
death and your bodys after life...
Posted: 11/15/2009 2:59:28 AM
^^^ I reckon you're safe. My dogs have seen your meat and have sworn a hunger strike if the idea is so much as suggested.

Three out of three dogs prefer hunger to DH1.

 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 12 (view)
 
death and your bodys after life...
Posted: 11/15/2009 2:30:59 AM
When I was a teenager I always said I wanted to be fed to lions, but of course my grandiose schemes are rather more realistic these days and I'd be happy to be used as cheap dog food to help animal refuges do their good work.

Or fertiliser would be fine too.

I think the tricky bit will always come in when dealing with the bereaved, rather than the deceased. Whilst I am happy to be dog food, I'd feel a bit weird sending my Dad off to be made into Chum. So definitely...if we were allowed to do this stuff, it'd have to be in the will so those left behind to administer it could deal with these kinds of choices in a grieving state.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 93 (view)
 
Bumper Stickers!!
Posted: 11/12/2009 6:56:31 AM
Msg 38
I have a "No Dam" bumper sticker....
That faded and peeling sticker is clearly what lead to the government's decision this week to not go ahead with the Traveston dam. Well done you. Keep up the good work.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Are cockroaches portents from god?
Posted: 11/11/2009 6:14:28 PM
Cats don't work as well as snakes in this situation. Plus they are much harder to fit into your wallet.

PS. I would be very surprised if your state tenancy legislation did not include some provision for you to take your objection about paying for water resulting from a leak to Small Claims, or equivalent.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Are cockroaches portents from god?
Posted: 11/11/2009 5:46:33 PM
I used to be terrified of c0ckroaches when I was younger...but I grew out of it as I learned there were so many other things more worth being afraid of...bills would be one example. That the two things have been brought together doesn't surprise me in the least. Death, taxes, bills and c0ckroaches was the original saying I think. All I can suggest is...try to attract mice...they eat c0ckroaches...and then a snake to eat the mouse. Then drop the whole wallet-ecosystem on the counter in the corner shop, and while the shop-keeper is distracted by this awesome display of nature...grab a loaf of bread and quietly leave.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 48 (view)
 
What's the worst or most inappropriate gift you ever received?
Posted: 11/11/2009 5:27:29 PM
Gotta agree with those saying they aren't fans of the commercialism and obligation and ...yes Akizzej ...a sense of entitlement...(hell lately I've been noticing more and more that at the bottom of so many of the problems of humanity is a misplaced sense of entitlement that causes us to get it so wrong so much of the time, but I digress)...of Christmas etc. But you have to dodge the accusations of being all bah! humbug! when you try to fly in the face of the cult of Christmas/Valentines/nominated days. Personally I don't think a preference to give based on the heart rather than the calendar is bah! humbug! at all. My calendar only tells me when I have to go train a class, and when the next water delivery is coming... not how to feel. I don't give it that much power...although it does have nice rural pictures that make me feel like going outside.


so I get to vent.. invisably..

Hey Soulmate. Your words are a gift a lot of people love unwrapping. I got something for you too. Admiration...which has already been delivered although you might not have noticed its arrival.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Whats rocks you in a song...., lyrics, tune, rhythm or all of them ??
Posted: 11/11/2009 1:34:34 AM
This song....the lyrics just move me....and my imaginary horse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Jmo3yGrSg

Makes me feel quite dirty, but we all do sometimes.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 5 (view)
 
When is it time to give up???
Posted: 11/10/2009 7:39:01 AM

sometimes I feel a little left out..passed over ...

Awwww. You want me to troll your posts for a while and hang some sh1t on you? I think it's like any group of people where individuals will perhaps gravitate towards some more than others depending on common interests, similar sense of humour, and normal social stuff like that.

I was chatting to this guy a while back, and he said he was just on the site to meet friends. And yet...he had never contacted another guy. If it's just for friends, then, why not? I think if a person claims they are here for friends, but are just using that as a veil, then it will impact on how others might react to them, and on their own experience as a result. I talk to quite a lot of women on here...and, funny thing...turns out one of them is rather skilled at matchmaking.

(Just don't become friends with Hilly, cos she'll drink all your tea and leave a horse in your yard. Learned that the hard way.)
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 3 (view)
 
When is it time to give up???
Posted: 11/10/2009 6:53:48 AM
I wasn't quite sure whether you meant you were giving up on the forum, or on dating... nor could I work out what the forum discussions really had to do with you not meeting a partner.


Now i would have hoped that we are on here for the same reason....but lately, i think not...
Nah, people are on here for a variety of reasons and with a variety of motivations. According to the site only about 1% of the site users even use the forum. The real hub of the dating site side of things is over there ---> somewhere. I talk to other people on the site who don't use the forums.... it's just not their thang....and they are just and only here for dating. And, you've got people who are here just and only for the forum...people who like the social interaction, or who like to write, or who like to debate...but don't want to date. Some are here to meet friends, some don't want to meet anyone but just like contributing to online discussions. Then you've got people who dabble in both forums and dating. Some people see the forum as something to do whilst waiting to meet mr/ms right...others just like forum-ing regardless of their relationship status. And then people might go through different phases where they change what they are here for, perhaps temporarily, or perhaps permanently.

So I am not sure what you are 'giving up', but it's probably a step in the right direction to 'give up' assuming that everyone is here for the same reasons. The place might actually start to make more sense to you.

 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Let the lips sing
Posted: 11/10/2009 5:58:01 AM
If anyone would like to pay me a few hundred dollars I can recreate the Brittney live concert experience round at my place for you.

First, you have to park 20 kilometres down the road. After your long walk to the gate, I will search your bag, and then a group of people will be allocated to surround you and jostle you/bump you/elbow you for the rest of the evening.

I will now try to sell you a t-shirt for about 50 times what I paid for it.

If you need to use the loo, you'll be made to stand outside the door and wait for half an hour...if you want a drink, that's another half hour wait.

Once you are seated I will sit right in front of you wearing a big curly wig. Then...I'll dim the lights and put a Video Hits Brittney Special on the tele ...you will be able to catch glimpses of Brit on a screen and listen to a pre-recording of her music... just like at the concert.

To complete the experience...after the concert, you are asked to drive home at 10lk/hr to recreate that after-concert traffic jam effect.

You'll never know you weren't at the real thing.

Book now through Naamah Ticketing



PS.

As Im going to see Pearl Jam later this month I hope Im going to hear the real thing.
Pffft. I doubt you'll get to hear Brittney sing for real at a Pearl Jam concert if she can't even be arsed doing it at her own.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 75 (view)
 
Rape
Posted: 11/9/2009 4:40:19 PM

Well what I said is true.

Even the POLICE will tell you that one.


Did you consult widely with the Keystone Kops?
The Keystone Kops was a series of silent film comedies about a totally incompetent group of policemen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Kops


Deciding on whether a standard of dress is "loose" or not is a subjective thing. Some folk actually argue that a woman who is not covered neck to toe in heavy black cloth is...asking for it. Millions of Australian women who get around in shorts and singlet tops in summer would therefore have nobody to blame but themselves if they get raped? Women sunbathing in bikinis on the beach...serves them right too huh?

The one thing that is very clear, when it comes to rape, is that one human being has done harm to another human being...and just a clue....it wasn't the one who showed a bit of leg. The rapist made a conscious choice to cause harm to another human being, and the blame rests squarely with them. Why anyone would choose to blame the victim is beyond me.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Why do we post on Plenty of Fish?
Posted: 11/9/2009 6:49:48 AM
wisdom of Namah

Thanks MissFee, you're a gem.


Naamah for her brilliantly thought out, caring and diplomatic responses.

Thanks Nick...

errr....
are you guys about to hit me up for fifty bucks or something?



I post on PoF cos my parole officer uses this as a means of tracking my movements.

(PS. he said I can go to your wedding Nick...but will probably have to wear the monitoring cuffs...and should warn you I am the stereotypical sniffley one when I hear vows exchanged. My kryptonite.)
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 71 (view)
 
Rape
Posted: 11/9/2009 6:30:51 AM
^^^ Such wisdom. Just as people who drive nice cars are asking for them to be stolen, people who own stuff are asking to be robbed, and people who are alive pretty much have nobody to blame but themselves for getting themselves murdered.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 1 (view)
 
It's a *shoe-in
Posted: 11/9/2009 6:16:59 AM
If Cinderella taught us anything, it's that if a potential he really is The Handsome Prince, he'll turn up with a hot pair of Manolo Blahniks ... in our exact size.

And, it's a widely accepted fact amongst the scientific community that had the Pied Piper wanted to lead the women out of Hamelin, rather than the kids, he would only have had to hold up a sign that said, "Shoe Sale!"

The image of a stiletto seems to be this enduring symbol of sexy femininity, despite vicious rumours about corns, bunions, bad backs and hip replacement surgery. Bah! Surely it's every woman's right to cripple herself in the name of looking good. High heels extend the calf, tilt the pelvis and give women a wiggle in their walk...and Joe C0cker got it wrong, it's not their hats the porn starlets often leave on, but rather, their heels. Expressions like 'FM boots' and 'CFM shoes' are part of popular culture...and "a *shoe in" is a sure thing which all seems to be adding up to...getting laid.

Although there is a dark side too of course...killer heels! Eek.
~seeks safe haven in a fave pair of mud-stained converse sneakers~

Why are shoes such an obsession for so many women, or is that whole thing just all urban myth? Are shoes almost an art form, or, just something to act as a barrier between feet and dog poo on the footpath? Why do some women seem to need so many pairs? Do you (or does anyone you know) own so many shoes that they've never actually worn them all? Guys...does your tongue hit the ground when chick walks past in stilettos, or do you even care what shoes a woman sticks on her feet? Saw one of our beloved regulars comment recently that high heels were a turn off...surely not? Do any guys obsess about their own shoes, or even 'get' the shoe thing at all?



* -> Disclaimer: I know it's meant to be "shoo in"...concerned persons should refer to the fine print on my literary licence.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Significant birthdays
Posted: 11/9/2009 4:49:01 AM

I have to admit im not looking forward to hitting 40....that would make me nearly as old as Naamah and im scared!

I'm sorry...do I know you? Ahh the blessed relief of senility.
But Scholar is right, stick with me kiddo cos I will always be old and fugly and I'll aaaalways make you look good.

I actually find the '1' birthdays more bothersome. At 40 I could still reach out and touch my 30's, but once you hit 41 they shut the door. With an unnecessarily loud and overly dramatic clang, I thought.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 15 (view)
 
The voices made me do it...
Posted: 11/7/2009 6:02:01 PM

Bugger,I was thinking this thread might be Naamah pleading insanity to some crazy crime shed committed! lol
Sorry to disappoint you there Mikey. I could probably scrape together some material for that sorta thread though.


Great more competition!!! We all want men with deep voices too? ffs!

I guess if the right guy had the wrong voice we could get him one of those voice modifier thingies for Christmas.


I wonder whether men would HEAR better if we sang to them then!

Good thinking! Actually my husband used to often sing his side of conversations with me. I used to tell him that living with him was a bit like being in a musical...you never knew when someone is gonna break into song. I always assumed he was being playful, but based on that bit of research, well, maybe it just helped the poor bugger get in a frame mind where he could understand me.



Has anyone else ever noticed they have a 'business voice'? Back when I used to work in offices, if my Dad called my work and I answered the phone he wouldn't recognise my voice...and even now my brother tells me I have a certain voice that comes out when I am on the phone to a client or a student. The rest of the time I talk like a 10 year old.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 22 (view)
 
ZERO% alcohol for all drivers.... how would that effect your social life?
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:45:43 PM
^^^ You make a good point. Unless we are willing to take that ultimate step and get rid of cars altogether then any attempt to modify any other aspect of our driving laws and behaviours under the pretext of "reducing road fatalities" is just laughable, and clearly not worthwhile even considering. Cos if we roolly roolly meant to stop road deaths we'd stay off the roads hey? And using your same logic, the only thing we need to do to reduce child molestation from occurring is to all stop having children...no other measures need to be taken, or even considered, until we're willing to take that step and show we really do mean business when it comes to stopping child abuse.

Where ya been Caves? I've missed tinkering with your head.
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 1 (view)
 
The voices made me do it...
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:55:06 AM
Back before the 'crushes' thread got nuked, I mentioned 'voice crushes'...that I think it is possible to have a crush on a guy's voice. In fact, I used to have a male friend who had the beeeeest deep male voice. I wasn't attracted to him in any other respect...and in actual fact he was gay (gay guy with deep masculine voice and bang goes another stereotype), but man....his voice. He would indulge me and talk right into my ear because it gave me chills down my spine.

Men's voices can have a significant impact on my responses, and of course when you've met someone online there comes that hurdle of the first phonecall ...that whole "please have a nice voice, please have a nice voice" plea to the gods of internet dating. Actually on two occasions several years ago I decided not to take the next step of meeting a dating prospect after hearing the voice. I'm not overly bothered if that sounds odd to anyone else because if the voice is all wrong I feel myself recoiling, and I can't fight it. It just seems to be one of those things that comes with the biological software, and it seems I am not the only female to think so...


...recordings (of male voices) were then played to female judges, who were asked to rate the males' attractiveness, age, weight and height, and to estimate the muscularity of the speaker and whether he had a hairy chest. Men with voices in which there were closely spaced, low-frequency harmonics were judged as being more attractive...

And possibly, unlike with looks and personality traits, there isn't much variance between the types of male voices women seem to prefer...
They showed extremely strong agreement on all judgements. The results imply that there could be sexual selection through female choice for male vocal characteristics, deeper voices being preferred.


So for the female posters...how important is 'voice' in your scale of what attracts you? Would you be put off by a guy with a high pitched voice? A soft-talker? An effeminate inflection?

And what about the guys...does a woman's voice at all factor into whether or not you are attracted to a woman? Would you be put off by a deep voice? A nasally little girl voice? Are throaty voices sexy? Are you even listening to women?


Why Men Don't Listen to Women

He really isn't listening to you! But you won't believe the reason why.

When men and women speak, the human brain processes the sounds of those voices differently, Britain's Mirror and Agence France Presse report of a new study from the U.K.'s University of Sheffield. While most of us actually hear female voices more clearly, men's brains hear women's voices first as music. But it's not music. So the brain goes into overdrive trying to analyze what is being said.

Bottom line: Men have to work harder deciphering what women are saying because they use the auditory part of the brain that processes music, not human voices. Men's brains are not designed to listen to women's voices. It's not the pitch of the woman's voice, but rather the vibration and number of sound waves that cause the problem, notes Discovery News.

But guys have no trouble at all hearing each other because men use a much simpler brain mechanism at the back of the brain to decipher another man's voice and recognize it as speech.

"The female voice is actually more complex than the male voice, due to differences in the size and shape of the vocal cords and larynx between men and women, and also due to women having greater natural 'melody' in their voices. This causes a more complex range of sound frequencies than in a male voice," lead researcher Michael Hunter told The Mirror.

The research findings were published in the journal NeuroImage


Well that explains how Paris Hilton still manages to get laid in spite of that voice.
Still doesn't explain David Beckham though.

So what say you all about this stuff? ...and please, in your sexiest voice!!
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 53 (view)
 
The love equation
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:48:40 AM

While I don't agree with the concept of me flapping around

I don't either, and personally I thought Scholar's comment in that regard was playing the man and not the ball...and a tad patronising. The last thing the world needs is more young men (or indeed people of any age/gender) who don't apply conscious thought to the way they live their life...and I'd say you're more analytical than 'clinical'. "An unexamined life is not worth living". More power to ya Nick.

In part, I think you are just making people uncomfortable. Cos as I said in my initial post...nobody wants to admit that relationship choices might be calculated to any degree. We much prefer charming explanations of life where we are swept along by romantic notions, possessed by Cupid, operating under the influence of the heady scent of Jasmine in spring. I prefer that view too actually...I just don't happen to think that what you are saying has to preclude those things. But see, the minute you say "calculation" and "equation", people are hearing "intellectual calculation" and "intellectual equation"... and assigning clinical overtones to it...but probably the calculation you are referring to is emotive, not intellectual.

I will say that when I am first dating someone I am constantly going through this process of subconsciously asking myself...and how do I feel about that...until I decide if it's right for me or not. It's calculation but it's emotive rather than purely intellectual...it's how do I feel about that, not what do I think about that....but it's not without consciousness. So I think the truth about partner choice falls somewhere in the middle of calculation, feelings, and biological forces.There is some degree of calculation going on, based on feelings and responses, and fueled by brain chemicals ...the bits over which we have no control.


and perhaps my theory does not apply to all aspects of love as such

Probably not...but you were originally talking about initial partner choice and why we end up deciding to enter into relationships with the people that we do...not love for children, family, or love that was pre-existing and then circumstances changed...those things were brought in later.


if you see your own downfalls and move to change them to effectively increase your odds, then you stand a much better chance of finding a partner
eg
The simplest example is that if a man who smokes gives up smoking the number of women who will be interested in dating him will go through the roof, the majority of emails that I receive on POF say exactly this in no uncertain terms.
I'd have to say...by my calculations...*dons reading glasses in order to look smarter, the effect of which is totally lost given lack of visuals*... there is an inverse relationship between making a change *just* for the purpose of expanding your dating pool, and your chances of finding a relationship that will endure. You might be working with a decreased dating pool to stay your true imperfect self, but I believe that from within that smaller dating pool you have a better chance of finding a relationship that will last....change yourself with the sole intent of increasing the dating pool and you merely increase your chances of finding more of the wrong partners. (Not to say there isn't something to be said for making changes to become the person we ourselves wish to be...nor for doing the slow reveal when it comes to our more, errm, in-your-face traits, for that matter. )
 Naamah
Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Strangers on the net, exchanging details
Posted: 11/6/2009 9:00:16 PM
^^^ Has nobody mentioned to you the fees involved in all this giving of good advice? Marriage advice I think comes in at 50k a pop. Credit card is fine....
 
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