Bottom line: You don't want to be "the boss", ie. the initiator, because you fear what walking up and initiating things can bring -- the word "no".

That's why women spend so much money and time making themselves look good, not to mention a lot of the beautifying is also painful, like high heels, skimpy clothes (freezing) and waxing (ouch) or dying your hair (chemicals stink and make you feel ill). It's a hell of a lot of work for most women - very few can just shit shower and shave and be ready to go and ALSO look the way men exepct them to.

Are you kidding.

Women spend hundreds of dollars on one evenings outfit and beaty routine only to bi ignored by all the guys she wants.

We suffer rejection all the time. It's just not in the same style as men do.

Does reading these posts now affect the way that you approach new dates? Good or bad? In other words, do you think that it might be easier if you weren't exposed to the experience and attitudes of the other fishies.

I remain single because of girls like you treating guys like losers and it comes back threefold on me and every other nice girl.

This is pretty much crap.

I dont know a single woman who waits around without putting out any effort.

Sure some of us put out more effort than others but seriously...if you sit at home in your flannels waiting for Prince Charming to come banging on your door you are going to be waiting a hell of a long time.

But I will say this -- not all guys are embarrassed about their ability to get girls, even if there's some mild frustration at times.

Women can mope and whine and complain all-day, every week of their life about how unfair their life is and they can still get a date or a boyfriend, but if men do the same thing, they would not even get an inch close of getting a woman.

Perhaps they should regroup on this mindset. This is 2009, not 1959. Happiness comes from within - once you're maybe 26 at the latest, it's time to grow up and stop worrying what others think.

Ego and place in society are outdated concepts.

I would say it's true for these type of guys:
- Can't pick up a girl to save their lives, but don't want to look like an idiot in front of their friends
- Low self-esteem and/or not liked well by others, so picking up girls is a way to get some pats on the back
- Popularity-craving guy -- low self esteem, much like previous, but that's just one way to boost his image for all to see

Why? Because if you honestly hated women, you would live without them gladly. Therefore it's a dramatic statement meant to get people to stop and talk to you, which in this thread, seems to be working. If you hate the fact that you want a woman, be honest and say that. Based on your history, all that will happen if you continue to do what you do, is more of the same thing you claim not to like.

I'll probably be single for the rest of my life.

Why is this a bad thing? If they're merely along for the ride, that means we get to do whatever we want and make all the decisions. That's hardly being women's slaves. If anything, wouldn't that make them ours? In fact, this very thing is what feminists complain about when they refer to men "oppressing" women.

Just cause a person is quiet, shy, sucks at conversation doesn't mean their a bad person and can't be a great person for you

Do you think there are more virgin males in the world? or more virgin females?

Where do you see this? Where I am stunning women only date pretty boys plain and simple

Yeah...e-dating is not the easiest environment to meet in, particularly for the younger age
group. I find the real world to be a better venue, but this is a good addition to other dating/meeting options...cause you never know.

Maybe change your headline on your profile. Might be meant as humour, but if it's the
first thing the gals read...not the best first impression, and you only get one chance to do that.

G'luck
~mizz

Their pics have just not been caught by the vetting process...yet.
New photos are looked at more often, so they tend to get reported & deleted faster.
Nothing personal...just the way it works right now.

You're a handsome man. Keep your shirt on & the ladies will appreciate
your physique more when they get to unwrap the present themselves.

Silly boys...tricks are for kids.

Cheers.

If you ever went to a sales seminar, what is the fist thing that they tell you. First you have to fake it to them make it. YOu start by believing that whatever you are set to achieve, you can do it. Then they teach you a lot of technique. They don't tell you, oh, just be yourself when your prospect says this or that. No, they give you the perfect strategy so you turn the situation around. Then you drill, drill, drill, so when you go out on the field, it becomes second nature, it become part of the way you relate to people. You begin to ask questions, you begin to turn the situations that they are talking about into selling points, and in the end they sell themselves. This is the same thing.

I think a better way to have said it might have been that this genre of products in general describes the work a guy must do in order to obtain equality with women in the dating realm. This is obviously only going to appeal to those guys who see themselves as being "one down" to women to begin with.

From the standpoint of most women, it's sorta like the proverbial bologna factory: they may want and like the end product, but they tend not to want to see how it's made.

I could see how it would seem kind of weird to meet someone over 25 that has never been in a relatioship. I can relate to this and don't know what to do either.

another thing in my opinion all women are beautiful why are so many women i come across calling them self ugly some of them i see seem to be extremely beautiful. and why would they be looking to date if they think bad of there self

They can absolutely be divided up this way.
Maybe into three catagories actually.

Wussies- who most women want nothing to do with because they are pushovers with no independent personality.(can benefit greatly from Game tactics! and become "good guys")

It's not about men catering to women and kissing butt. It's about men being men

Absolutely. I agree. I just joined this site, because it's different from all the other sites. But the same concept still applies. I once interviewed a lady who runs one of these dating services, and she let me know that these dating services normally have twice as many men in them than they have women. It gets even worse in the sites that hire pretty models to advertise for their sites, in some cases pretending like they're members of the site. Sites hire these models because that's the easiest way to increase membership, and you know these types of sites are bound to get oodles and oodles of more men joining, I guess they think they'll get those models. It gets very frustrating being a man. I think dating in general sucks for men, it doesn't for women.

Let's face it, this is the way nature is designed for whatever reason, the way the world is, not just for humans, but also for animals, males have to make the advances, women don't. I really think that us men have an uphill struggle, we need them a lot more than they need us. Life's not fair.

besides the obvious? Girls? Guys? When I say men I mean, good men real men! Not players?? I mean really, I get tons of questions . . . with the way you look, men are probably falling all over you. . . yeah so what they are after sex . . . almost all men are. . . then when you finally think you have found someone, that you are completely attracted emotionally, intellectually, and physically. . . it doesn't work out. . . . why I am been waiting on "the right one" since I was 15. . . . where is he?? I'm tired of heartache!

You mean there are actually women out there who make bad decisions about men? The mind boggles. I'm sure more research is necessary to definitively confirm that finding.

And please do not tell me you cannot figure out plenty of things about a person based on their appearance, haircut or otherwise. Consider the mullet, for instance.

It's not always about the woman making a bad choice.

As far as the deadbeat fathers...and single moms. Again many reasons for a woman to get pregnant. The woman has the option of saying NO to a guy...and the option to use birth control or have an abortion. Unless it's rape no one forced her into such a circumstance. But many women use children to hold onto men who don't wish to be held.

Some people are easy to figure out...They can be seen as no good. But others are very good at being bad and manipulative....they easily convince others about how great they supposedly are. Both men and women can be fooled at any given point in their lives.

P.S. OP - men can have sex as easily as women, they're just pickier about it. Most men can sleep with certain women but don't want to, and they can always pay for it but for some reason usually seem insulted by the suggestion.

I have to argue with you there ... I haven't lost mine yet; not because of like religious reasons or anything, just the situations and timings were never right. And both my male and female friends call me fridget, strange and are constantly at me to go get laid.

It's just a fact of life, not much we can do about it.