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irishgent00

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Since Man Was Created First, Why Did God Give Man Nipples? Posted: 3/3/2006 9:37:32 PM
Garf, Can you tell me your source? I've never heard that. That's something I never expected to hear, men lactating. Take Care, Irish

irishgent00

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Why Doesn't God Destroy Satan? Posted: 3/3/2006 9:35:43 PM
Madrox-Shagrath, Christianity is also a belief. I'm glad we're on the same page. Sometimes I feel the same way about science. And I can understand that you might think it possible for one "goof" to have written the Bible, but you have to admit, if he did, he was pretty clever. I mean, if you're write, he's probably pulled off the biggest practical joke ever. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/3/2006 5:32:24 PM
Robertj64, I am absolutely horrified that anyone is every abused. It shouldn't happen and as a society, we should take every measure to educate each other so we can prevent it. Onto the other points. I don't think lettings priests marry is the solution for this problem. The ones committing the crimes are pedophiles, that has nothing to do with celibacy. If they weren't celibate, they'd still be out doing the same thing. I understand the demand for support on birth control, but I'm still learning a lot about the matter, so I can't really give a point of view here yet. However, one argument I did hear against it was that if you provide them with condoms, it gives a false sense of security, as they do not prevent all transfer of all std's. So I've heard that the Church's view is that teaching abstinence introduces them to a much safer means of not catching anything. Which is valid at least to some extent, 100% protection vs. unknown protection. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Why Doesn't God Destroy Satan? Posted: 3/3/2006 5:23:33 PM
Madrox-Shagrath, That's certainly one opinion. It's yours and I can't take that away from you, but please recognize you don't state facts, you state beliefs. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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I contend that... Posted: 3/3/2006 5:21:41 PM
GreenEyesAndHam, I want to go back to my point. What difference does it make if you are all those things for 1 year or 100 years? I don't know if you read the Bible at all or if you really care for it much, but check out Matthew Chapter 20 if you have a minute. Biblegateway.org has over 50 versions of the Bible so you can pick out any one you're used to. From a Catholic point of view, it does not make one lazy if they give 100% for a finite amount of time and receive and infinite reward. If I'm alive for 10 years and I'm in God's grace why should I not receive the reward promised to me? The same goes for someone who lives 100 years. That's Chritianity. We believe there is a point when we'll be reunited with God. As you describe Buddhism, it seems there is not. It's truly apples and oranges my friend. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Virgin mary raped? Posted: 3/3/2006 2:42:43 PM
MDC, He hated the sould of an unborn baby? Can you elaborate? Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Why Doesn't God Destroy Satan? Posted: 3/3/2006 2:41:48 PM
Bewitched Soul, Not so much a game as a test. We have the choice. We have the directions. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/3/2006 2:37:59 PM
MDC, Robertj64 has a point. It has be beyond a reasonable doubt. And I don't know where you are coming from saying that it's so widespread in the Church. I gave you the stat, 4% of the the clergy were involved. That's less than were involved in schools and some other denominations. The institution can never be proved corrupt, the Church isn't the people running the show, it's the people upholding the beliefs and morals of the faith. You might find a handful here and a handful there that you can prove were involved and are guilty, that's fine. But they are not representative of the Church. And when I said the Pope may have expected the Bishop to handle it, I did mean with the necessary police action. You're going to have criminals, perverts, and general bad people in everything. Especially something as big as the Catholic Church. Maybe it's time we tried to get to the root of the problem rather than sitting around bashing the Church. Why do people become pedophiles? What is wrong in our society that causes someone to do this? Society is all too ready to make waves, fire some people, and then got on with life. You have to root out problems. You can't just chop off the head of the weed, you have to rip it out by the roots. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Why Doesn't God Destroy Satan? Posted: 3/3/2006 7:25:31 AM
Megaden, That's not really an original thought at all. Perhaps you could provide some logic? It was always my understanding that God is not powerless to stop it, but he won't for other reasons. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Virgin mary raped? Posted: 3/2/2006 11:17:39 PM
CountIBli, That's a very good point. However, I like to think God has a sense of humor. I think he knew that Jonah would come around eventually and that's all it would take. As for Mary, it was concerning a much more serious issue. He would not have entered the world through a woman who was not consenting. It's against his nature. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 11:14:41 PM
MDC, That is not what I asked for, please go back and check again. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 7:31:47 PM
MDC, You said, "I think we will have some concrete proof of papal involvement in transfers and cover up." You're not going to like it, but you still don't have proof. You have speculation. You have letters that may or may not have reached the Pope. When Pope Benedict was still a Cardinal, he reopened the case. The writer of the article certainly doesn't know why and it's very possible he was waiting until he had the testimony/evidence/etc. that he needed to make a legitimate inquiry. We also don't know what the Vatican response may or may not have been to these letters. They may have told Bishops working with this order to take care of it. It may be that the accusations were sketchy and hard to prove. None of this is concrete proof of Papal involvement in transfers and cover-up. At the very best it can do, it suggests that the Pope was aware of one instance, but it doesn't mention what he may have said or done concerning the issue. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 7:18:29 PM
MDC, Did you read the Boston Globe article? It says the Pope does not read petitions like that, he receives briefings. He was in no way directly confessed to. And it's very well that he would think a Bishop could handle the situation. He had no reason to believe otherwise. He dismissed the priest not long after he received the petition and there was no threat while he was considering the petition. I'm not sure what the details behind Law saying the mass were. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Creation vs Evolution Posted: 3/2/2006 6:48:17 PM
Majestic_Lizard_Returns, I was using this, "A form of abstract reasoning or speculation." as my definition of a theory. So yes, your Leprechauns would be a theory in my book. And you can hardly expect someone to read over a 140 pages of posts. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 6:45:19 PM
MDC, Thank you for providing a much more reputable source. The second link did not work for me. Now on with business. You said you're sure we'd find concrete evidence that there was Papal involvement in covering up and transferring the ones committing the crimes. Your article didn't suggest that in the least. It said he received a 17 page letter and permitted the priest to the leave the priesthood. It does not go into any detail about what the Pope's thoughts, comments, or actions towards the victims might have been, if any. Depending on how the hierarchy works, he may have asked Bishop Connoly to handle it at the time. The other interesting point is that the priest was seeing a psychologist who said he was better or at least improving enough to work at a parish. I'd say let's have that psychologist's license for doing so not once, but twice. I'm not saying that Bishop Connoly wasn't part of the cover-up, just that the majority of the Church wasn't. And again, this is one instance. A single instance does not illustrate an epidemic of molestation of youth followed by a cover-up by the entire Catholic Church. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 6:38:38 PM
MDC, You provided me with the bogus website, remember? I only blamed it on the Freemasons because that's what your article led me to believe. The oddballs rarely have it right. And I don't blame it on Satan as I do not believe in Hell. But that's another thread. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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today is the begining of Lent Posted: 3/2/2006 6:24:30 PM
Nevermarried1, I'm glad you liked them. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 5:27:30 PM
MDC, Not to mention that it's a site recruiting for the "Born Again" faith. Of course it's going to try and discredit Catholicism as much as possible. And they even try to say the entire Catholic Hierarchy was involved, that's simply not the case. And goes to show what kind of sketchy journalism that is. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 5:19:34 PM
MDC, I'm hoping you can provide more sources than that one site. It's seems to be no more than a tabloid. They take quotes out of context, they make issues out of nothing, and they claim that a normal looking handshake is the handshake of the Masons? This is the Da Vinci Code in webpage format. I'm pretty sure the Knights of Columbus just try to do good work in the community, but maybe they are secretly planning on taking over the world. Let's assume for a second that this priest did write a 17 page letter to the Pope at that time asking to be removed from the priesthood. First, we don't know that he actually wrote it and sent it. Second, we don't know that the Pope actually received it. Third, he may have received it and asked what was being done about it. At which point Bishop Connoly may have assured him it was being taken care of in this way, this way, and this way. Lastly, this was one case. That hardly constitutes an epidemic of molesation being covered up by the Catholic Church. So if all of this website were to actually be true, then I'd have to concede that at this point in history it appears as though the cover-up was done by an institution. That institution being the Free Masons. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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What is missing in today's music? Posted: 3/2/2006 4:58:20 PM
Robertj64, I generally look to bands like U2, Collective Soul, Counting Crows, The Wallflowers, etc. to keep bringing me consistantly good stuff. In my opinion, they haven't let me down. I've been enjoying the music of some not so big bands lately because they bring something different to the table and aren't often killed on the radio(soon it's going to be, "Radio killed the rock star!"). Death Cab for Cutie, The Postal Service, Explosions in the Sky, Bob Schneider, etc. I also try to keep my eye out for bands that are on the rise. Sometimes they only give you one good song, but other times they're a bit more consistant. I do think it's generally hard for a band to get their stuff out there. The music industry(Hollywood too) is often distracted by profit. They overlook the talent and bring us people they think we're all attracted to in hopes that we won't care they can't sing or write or play an instrument. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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If Christ was married, would it make him less.....perfect? Posted: 3/2/2006 3:44:13 PM
Nightlord, The purpose of the body can be dozens of things, some of which I believe lead into the ever so big question of, "Why are we here?" I believe that we are in the ultimate testing ground. As I've said in other threads, I believe that God wanted us to have free will so that we could choose between good and evil and hopefully we'd choose good. I think we needed a human body for the test to be complete. With the human body comes shame, as was experienced in the Garden of Eden. Vanity, sexual temptation, and a lot more also comes with. So we needed the body to fully experience the gift of free will. Why would God need a body? It's not pride at all, it's just knowing that he is beyond our wildest dreams. It's always interesting to see which parts of the Bible people are willing to take literally and which they are not. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Another fish (on another site) stole my words Posted: 3/2/2006 3:08:12 PM
Anenigma, The best thing I can think of is for you to contact the site director. They should be able to tell which profile was created first, updated when, etc. I'm sure it's not in their best interest to have duplicate profiles, so they should gladly remove the offending one. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 2:57:11 PM
MDC, That's correct, but I'm going off of the current situation. We already know that some of the lowest(hierarchally speaking) levels of clergy were involved in either committing the crimes or helping to cover them up. We know some Bishops were involved. We can't pinpoint anyone beyond that. So if given this situation it was revealed that the Pope knew about it and did nothing or didn't do much, then it would indicate that it spans the entire institution from the lowest office to the highest. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 2:41:01 PM
MDC, My suggestion was that the if the Pope was part of it, then you'd know for sure that it truly was an institutional cover-up. If he had no part in it and knew nothing about it, then it can be hardly said that it was institutional, as he is the head of the institution. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 2:23:56 PM
MDC, The truth is we don't know if the Pope knew or what he knew of it. So anything more is speculation on our part. And again, you speak of sheltering, it wasn't done by the Church, it was done by individuals that oversaw the ones that were committing the crimes. So the Church is not corrupt, merely some of the individuals inside of it. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 1:55:50 PM
MDC, And now we're back to what the Catholic Church has done wrong throughout the ages. What about everybody else? Nobody is asking the British to give back the territory they occupy in Ireland. Nobody is telling the Swedes to give back all the money stolen from the Jews and their families. What about all the tribes in Africa that the U.S. government stole people from? What about the millions that are being slaughtered and starved to death in Africa? I'm not saying the Church hasn't done wrong, but man, everybody wants to drop the hammer on the Church and then let these other things go by. And it really is a few rotten apples at different points in history. I used the Pope as an example because that would indicate that yes, it truly was an institutional cover-up. I fail to belive that our late Pope nor our current Pope would have consented to a cover-up. And Bishops and Archbishops are by no means an entire institution and it wasn't even all of them. 4% of clergy were involved. That leaves 96% uninvolved. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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what is meditation Posted: 3/2/2006 1:49:11 PM
MDC, I don't know if this counts exactly has an out of body experience, but if not, it's similar. I was playing volleyball at school during an open gym time. It was one of my favorite sports, I wasn't the best, but I was pretty good. So I was in the back row on the left side. The serve came from the other side and one of my teammates went to bump it up, only they misjudged. The ball shot off their left arm and was going over my head and out of bounds. I ran for it, jumped and threw my arms up together hoping to at least keep it alive for someone else to hit. That's when it happened. I could see my hands in front of me cupped together rising to meet the ball. Only I had all the time in the world to think about it. It's as if I was given the opportunity to position my arms in the best possible spot to pass the ball back in to the setter. I marvelled at it. It felt like it'd never end. And then suddenly I was landing on my feet and I looked over my shoulder. I had passed the ball perfectly to our front row and they spiked it over the net for a kill. That's the only time I can think of or that I recognized something different. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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what is meditation good for? Posted: 3/2/2006 1:43:17 PM
NasaJack2003, That's helpful, thanks. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 1:35:15 PM
MDC, The point it seems we are disagreeing on is the level of involvement of the Church as a whole vs. the level of involvement of a group of individuals. I insist it was not a churchwide cover-up, but several cases that were covered up by various small groups of people. On an isolated level. Unless you can show me proof that the Pope himself was involved in the cover-up, I find it still very unfair to say it was the whole institution. You definitely have a much more personal connection the situation(as I suspected), but that does not mean you have all the facts of the entire situation. And I still maintain that rather than pointing fingers and distributing blame, we all need to be a part of change. I don't want it to happen any more than you do. But I can assure that bashing the Church and how they handled it isn't leading us to a better situation. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Virgin mary raped? Posted: 3/2/2006 1:28:28 PM
MDC, While it doesn't explicitly say she had a choice, she definitely put her faith in God. If she had any doubts, you can be sure God would not have let it happen. "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." It doesn't sound to me as if she were forced, it's almost like the question was answered asked and answered long ago. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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If Christ was married, would it make him less.....perfect? Posted: 3/2/2006 1:15:16 PM
Alaska2004, "The circumstantial evidence leans to the belief that Christ was married then not being married." That is totally not the case! We've been over this! See my above posts. And while you claim to have more scriptural basis for justifying why we'd look like God more than we wouldn't, I think that's folly too! The scripture you quote suggests that we were created in his likeness and in his image. Where does it say that it means physical likeness rather than spiritual likeness? Where does it say his image as in our human selves on not our souls? I would like to believe that our bodies are just temporary holding places for our souls during our time on Earth. If they are in fact temporary, why would God have one? If we are to believe that we look like God, why wouldn't it mean in our purest form? Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Virgin mary raped? Posted: 3/2/2006 12:19:10 PM
Alright, The traditional belief is that God did give her a choice. She chose to carry Jesus into the world. Lady-Fair, I don't imagine that God would have used any method that you or I would be aware of. Just because it's impregnation doesn't mean it has to be done the way you're thinking. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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if i had an imaginary friend... Posted: 3/2/2006 12:16:47 PM
Captain Sargasmo, Not very subtle are you? Hehe, aside from that. If you can get it to last for a couple thousand years and have billions of people believe it, then no, I would not lock you up. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Creation vs Evolution Posted: 3/2/2006 11:53:51 AM
Trewq36, Then it's definitions we're arguing and that's where I depart. If we don't have common definitions, our discussion can't progress. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 11:47:53 AM
MDC, I can respect your opinions, but they are just that. You don't know for sure one way or another. You are relying on what you've read. You seem to think that not every Catholic knew, not even every official knew, but we should all be punished for it? The "Protecting God's Children Campaign" is a step in the right direction. You suggest nothing better. I didn't say you covered up your cousin's crime, I said are responsible for his actions? My suggestion to you is to be constructive. I understand it's a problem in all of society, including churches, but 4% of clergy is by no means a widespread epidemic. It is a very real problem and will not be fixed by your rants, that's for sure. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Creation vs Evolution Posted: 3/2/2006 10:24:14 AM
Trewq36, "I'm asking it to be taught as a theory. A theory being a form of abstract reasoning or speculation." I guess it simply depends on your definition of a theory. Regardless, much like you describe science, I look at Creation. I'm willing to correct it if I'm proven wrong, I'm not claiming it to be the absolute correct answer, and at this time I can't provide you with any facts that you would deem acceptable as they are not the nature of the God that I believe in. But perhaps one day we'll have scientific instruments that will be able to detect the presence of God. Perhaps one day he'll reveal himself. I think it's worth bringing up Creation in the classroom if for no other purpose than this debate. It wouldn't hurt to enlighten them on the discussions of the present. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 10:18:07 AM
MDC, One day I think you'll realize that your efforts would be better spent on discussing issues civily. If you wish for change in the world, be a proponent of change, don't be a champion of the past. I'm not suggesting we forget or ignore anything. But really, if you want change, help fix it, rather than trying to push everyone into a corner. And you borrowed my unity statement from a different post that was not concerning this issue in the least. Your poem speaks volumes about your maturity, even at age 50. I guess wisdom does not always come with age. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 10:11:35 AM
MDC, You've misunderstood. I was in no way saying that the actions of some clergy, brothers, etc. was excused simply because it occurs in society elsewhere. My point was that everyone is very quick to judge the Church and very quick to simply say, "Now that's a shame." when they read about a school molesting in the paper. It's all wrong, it'd be nice to see everyone in an uproar about all these other cases. The Church has taken responsibility. They are working with victims. The accused that were transferred, shouldn't have been. I agree. But you can't say that the Pope let alone just about every other Catholic knew that he was a molester when the change was made. That's unfair and presumptuous. Sometimes they were moved because the person above them thought that they would cease to persist. Sometimes they moved and they were put in situations where they no longer had contact with minors. Sometimes they were moved by a friend attempting to protect them. I'm not saying it's right, but it shows a lack of knowledge on the part of the person doing the moving. Have you heard of the "Protecting God's Children Campaign"? It's out there to educate everyone in the Catholic Church who might come into contact with minors about what it means to be a sexual predator, how to prevent situations where children are at risk, and what to do if you suspect something. It's a comprehensive training meant to help correct the problem in the future. The Church has issued a number of statements apoligizing for the grave sins of their fellow clergy. They are working at it. If it's such a deeply rooted problem as you adamantly claim, then it's going to take time to figure it all out. And I maintain that the actions of a few do not dictate the actions of the whole. If your cousin murders somebody, are you responsible? The Church can only provide it's stance, it can't force people to comply. My suggestion to you is to perhaps take a constructive stance. Rather than sit here and complain and point out all the wrong that has been done, why don't you help prevent it in the future? Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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I contend that... Posted: 3/2/2006 8:32:42 AM
MDC, As I have time I try to explore many things. I've done a lot of reading on Alexander the Great, but I haven't explored Buddhism much. If time permits, I gladly will. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 8:29:44 AM
MDC, I'm going to have to ask you to show me your sources. I think most of what you say is actually tabloid media hype. It definitely was a rarity. It is no more common among Catholic priests than it is among school teachers who are also given the trust of parents to look after their children. And I'm still certain it was not a Catholic Church cover-up. The actions of a few don't dictate the actions of the whole. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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I contend that... Posted: 3/2/2006 7:27:14 AM
MDC, As I have frequently said, I'm no expert on any religion, faith, way of life, etc. I have limited knowledge of my own beliefs. So if what you have said is indeed the case, thank you for clearing that up for us. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 7:24:30 AM
MDC, You can keep talking about things you don't understand all you like. It's not the appearance that matters, it's unity in the Church. "When they quit hiding the money and the perverts, stop playing bankruptcy games, and pay all those boys who got the reaming ( and I don't mean $3 k for a ruined life ), we can talk as if there is any honour in the church." Quit hiding the money? What money are they hiding? The Church is not hiding perverts. There are a few cases where a fellow clergy did protect someone, but that by no means indicates that it was the whole Church. They are taking care of any case that is found to have merit, there's not much more you can do. If you have a method of keeping pedophiles out of everywhere(churches, schools, baseball teams, etc.), feel free to share it with the rest of us. Until then, making ignorant comments and insulting people and their faith is only going to make your arguments seem less credible. If you wish to argue your points, being more tactful might help you be a bit more persuasive. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Cain & Abel- this question drove the nuns nuts Posted: 3/2/2006 7:18:37 AM
Hello, Has anyone mentioned that it's possible it's not meant to be taken quite so literally? Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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If Christ was married, would it make him less.....perfect? Posted: 3/2/2006 6:53:58 AM
MDC, "Irish, I'd thank you to... oh well, I'm not gonna tell you to get lost...you contribute great "scienligion" , so go ahead with yer stuff." Thanks. And I like how "Relience" sounds. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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today is the begining of Lent Posted: 3/2/2006 6:50:59 AM
Nevermarried1, "What are you going to give up? Any ideas for me?" Some people like to try to do something extra, rather than giving something up. You could volunteer sometime at a soup kitchen or senior citizens home. Or you could just make a conscious effort everday to do something nice for someone. Just some thoughts... Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Since Man Was Created First, Why Did God Give Man Nipples? Posted: 3/2/2006 6:46:58 AM
Ninki, Thank you. Can you give me a website or something? Not that I doubt you, I'd just like to read up more on why I have nipples! Thanks again for clearing this up. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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I contend that... Posted: 3/2/2006 6:45:51 AM
Mardioluv4u, "A truly saved person can NEVER loose their salvation. Jesus dies for US HUMANS to get into Heaven. Satan is a VERY different story, there is no hope for him, he is the big enemy and there is no hope for him. We (humans ) on the other hand have been died for and our sins have been eternally paid for through Jesus Christ." This is my biggest complaint about the "Once Save, Always Saved" Christian. We have the opportunity to be saved. We are not saved merely by declaring at a service one night that we accept Jesus as our Saviour. Example: You get "Saved", however it's done, and then you go out and kill every person you see until you are arrested, sentenced, and put to death. Are you still going to Heaven? Jesus died so that we could be saved, so that we would have the choice between eternal life and eternal damnation. He didn't die so you could say you were saved and never have to worry about it again. "Understand that." Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

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Catholic Perversions Abound! Posted: 3/2/2006 6:41:01 AM
Robertj64, That's a very plausible scenario. My only thoughts contrary to those are that they can see this shortage of priests approaching and would want to handle the situation as gracefully as possible without looking like they were forced to do it. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

Joined: 2/22/2006

Msg: 67 (view)

If Christ was married, would it make him less.....perfect? Posted: 3/2/2006 6:36:50 AM
Nightlord, It's starting to sound like the Matrix! I think it comes down to this. I don't believe we, as human beings, were created to look like him. I think that perhaps, our souls, our purest form of existence does in fact "look" like him if there's any such thing in Heaven. The problem is that I think Heaven is so far beyond our understanding and it's more than we could ever hope for. I apply that to God as well. If God looked like another human, I'd be rather disappointed. I mean that, we're certainly not the most beautiful thing to ever have existed. I'd hope he's up at least a notch from us. Again, you've brought up some interesting points I'll be giving some thought to. Take Care, Irish

Irishgent00

Joined: 2/22/2006

Msg: 66 (view)

If Christ was married, would it make him less.....perfect? Posted: 3/2/2006 6:32:49 AM
MDC, I'd kindly ask you to stay out of the discussion if you don't plan on contributing constructively. If you'd like, you're more than welcome to create a thread titled, "Barf: I think the raving loons are funny." Thanks. Take Care, Irish

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