online dating service
REGISTER | MAIL/PROFILE | HELP | NOW ONLINE | SEARCH | RATING | FORUMS | SUCCESS STORIES

 

     
Posted In Forum:
Home   login   MyForums  
Show ALL Forums  
 
 Author Thread: Help Me Understand....
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 213 (view)
 
Help Me Understand....
Posted: 9/22/2008 2:09:37 PM
and please stop making eriks/erics/ericks/erichs look bad!


 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Democratic Party is the anti-gay party
Posted: 9/22/2008 11:48:37 AM
i think obama has also energized many young people to come out and vote.
i believe these young people would be more inclined to allow same sex marriage.

kudos to the O.P. on choice of the inflammatory subject line.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Full Scale Financial Meltdown
Posted: 9/22/2008 11:44:49 AM
surprise surprise sargeant carter!


New York Times:


Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print


Kudos to Naomi Klein, if we're going to Nationalize businesses, why can't they be profitable ones like Exxon? At least when Hugo Chavez nationalizes assets, he doesn't burden taxpayers with the debt!
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 98 (view)
 
Have we as Americans, forgotten the cost of Freedom?
Posted: 9/22/2008 11:32:09 AM
the education blurb is kind of off topic...but there is no denying that our teachers are paid less and teach more students than their more successful counterparts in europe.

spending 10 billion a month on foreign wars is not just a dollar sign but an indication of priorities. our children and our future is simply not a priority for this administration. It's difficult to think of a greater threat to our national security.

i hope the O.P. can recall an earlier era when the Red Scare and threat of Mutually Assured Destruction was the excuse to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on missile defense systems that never worked and license to slaughter millions to keep the proverbial dominoes from falling.

the US spends more money on it's military than the next 6 nations combined. and with all the contract work provided by the Halliburton's of the world, we get less for our money.

When the British burned the White House, our founding fathers didn't step on the Constitution, they didn't profiteer off the disaster, they didn't use it as an excuse to ram through a political agenda.

although crime is at an alltime low, i'm more likely to be killed by a streetgang. Or a chinese toothpaste maker, a lax OSHA or FDA, a non-maintained public bridge or highway, criminally negligent maintenance of a railroad switch, bad air quality!

by bringing up 9/11, the O.P. is really using the same old scare tactic. i'm not afraid of terrorists.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Good Or Bad News For Palin?
Posted: 9/22/2008 11:18:46 AM
regardless of the outcome, the impression is that she has not been cooperative in investigations of herself.

much like our sitting president.

that can't help
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 96 (view)
 
Have we as Americans, forgotten the cost of Freedom?
Posted: 9/22/2008 11:04:37 AM
Gee, the British burned the White House in the Battle of 1812.
I don't recall the need by President Madison to crap on the Constitution like George W. Bush.

The World will rejoice when that pitiful monkey leaves the White House.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Full Scale Financial Meltdown
Posted: 9/22/2008 10:53:51 AM


Must be sad to see the Democrats be as powerless as you appear to believe them to be.


The Democrats are powerless. In case you're not aware, it takes 60 votes in the Senate to end debate on legislation and go to a vote (cloture). The Democrats don't have 60 votes. They have a simple majority of 51 votes.

The result is that the Republicans have been blocking legislation to the extent that they have tripled the filibuster rate in the Senate. If legislation can't get passed in both houses, it doesn't become law.

So yes, the Democrats have been powerless to stop the Republican Blockade of Congress. I guess you haven't been reading the news.

And yes it is sad.
Sad that the Republicans are blocking action when the economy and country is disintegrating around us.
Sad that the Republicans used to insist on an up or down vote on everything and now they are blocking up or down votes at triple the Democratic rate.
Sad that the Republicans are pointing their finger at the Democrats for doing nothing while they block progress.
Sad that you take great pride in being uninformed about this.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Full Scale Financial Meltdown
Posted: 9/22/2008 10:17:48 AM


eriksfbay, you talk all about budgets submitted, as if that was the beginning and end of the process.

In case you have forgotten, CONGRESS spends the money and levies taxes, quite often in ways that have little to do with the budget submitted by a president.


Tall, if Reagan, Bush I & II submitted outlandish Deficit Budgets to Congress, this is indicative of their philosophy.

If Clinton submitted Budgets with succeedingly reduced deficits and then surpluses...then this is indicative of his priorities.

This displays their intent prior to the Congress ever getting their hands on it.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Good Or Bad News For Palin?
Posted: 9/21/2008 6:59:52 PM
it was a unanimous vote amongst republicans and democrats.

it's bad for her either way.
no matter how it ends, the impression is the same. that's she not much differnt than other corrupt politicians who are let off.

uhhh...much like john mccain and the keating five?
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Full Scale Financial Meltdown
Posted: 9/21/2008 4:52:56 PM
Certainly washington is about compromise.

Consider this simple fact.

It is the responsibility of the president to submit a budget to congress.

Reagan and bush submitted escalating deficit increases.

Clinton submitted budgets with cosistently reduced deficits to almost balanced.

Reagan and bush submitted to demcratic congresses. Clinton to republican congresses.

With bush II, there was an overwhelming republican majority in congress. The result? The largest deficits ever seen.

Yes both parties are responsible, but the philosophical difference obvious.

Now then, how do you explain it?
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 1 (view)
 
American Taxpayers to Bail Out Foreign Corporations!
Posted: 9/21/2008 3:51:40 PM
Yay.....
In case you had any doubt about who really runs Washington.

Sect Paulson admitted that Foreign owned corporations could be included in the latest bailout package. Your Tax Dollars at work.



STEPHANOPOULOS: The original legislation we saw said that you would be buying up the mortgage-related assets from financial institutions having headquarters in the United States. Yet last night, the fact sheet put out by the Treasury seemed to expand that. It said only that the financial institutions have to have significant operations in the U.S., and that you could waive that at your discretion.

So, will foreign financial institutions be eligible to have their assets bought?

PAULSON: Yes, and they should, because as you think about this, if a financial institution has business operations in the United States, hires people in the United States, if they are clogged with illiquid assets, they have the same impact on the American people as any other institution.

That’s a distinction without a difference to the American people. The key here is about protecting the system.[..]

But, remember, this is about protecting the American people and protecting the taxpayers. And the American people don’t care who owns the financial institution. If a financial institution in this country has problems, it’ll have the same impact…



http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/21/this-week-paulson-justifies-bailout-to-foreign-companies/
Click any of the Links below to access these Forum Categories:

Closed, but
accessible Forums
»»
Politics
Current Events
Religion

Related Links:Changes to Forums
Links Removed

For the Time being, there is ZERO Tolerance for Trolls posting Flamebait,
Insults, or peddling Agendas. Automatic 28 Day minimum Vacation Package.
    Don't post here if you can't keep your "Cool"

Report offensive Posts as usual in the Forum Rule Violations Report Thread
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Full Scale Financial Meltdown
Posted: 9/21/2008 3:42:26 PM
If your implication is that social programs are draining the budget that is simply not true.

We spend less on Welfare (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) in one year than we spend in 2 months in Iraq.

My point is, it's not social programs that are bankrupting our Federal Government. It's the war, the bailouts, the record earmarks, the cutting of corporate taxes and taxes for the rich, it's the Military budget which is greater than tje next six top military spenders combined.

However, Republicans will make the case that the way to close this hole is by cutting Social Security benefits or nixing it altogether, cutting budgets for agencies that protect us like OSHA, FDA, Natl Labor Relations Board, Education, etc etc..

Why do you think they built up this deficit to begin with? To create a crisis state where it's difficult to counter their calls for massive budget cuts.

This is the same party that created this massive deficit under Reagan, Bush I & Bush II.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Full Scale Financial Meltdown
Posted: 9/21/2008 1:26:26 PM
all those Republicans clamoring for deregulation and allowing the "free market" to hold sway (Like John McCain, Phil Gramm).

Where are they now?

Now they have no problem accepting Socialism, meaning, a welfare bailout by the taxpayers while the CEOs land with hundreds of millions in golden parachutes.

As usual, it's Socialsm for the rich, Free Market for the poor.

Bill Moyers puts it nicely:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/21/bill-moyers-journal-moguls-steal-home-while-companies-strike-out/
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Georgia Republican plays the race card for McCain...masking it with the term Uppity.
Posted: 9/6/2008 7:02:31 PM
I'm not surprised...he's only expressing what his party has been suggesting all along.

You have to be especially brain dead to buy this line of crap.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 384 (view)
 
The Republican Convention 08
Posted: 9/3/2008 10:22:14 PM
Is it just me or did that look like the old white folks convention?
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 31 (view)
 
can anyone stop russia
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:27:25 PM
and why do we need to stop russia?
they're not threatening us.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 361 (view)
 
The Republican Convention 08
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:22:08 PM
Palin knocked it out of the park.

She made it so that everyone would forget....

THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION
THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONES WHO GOT US IN THIS MESS!


We heard all about Bush's compassionate conservatism in 2000.
Do you really want to give this party another chance?
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 358 (view)
 
The Republican Convention 08
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:14:38 PM
I did like the baby...I thought he was the coolest cat of all.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 357 (view)
 
The Republican Convention 08
Posted: 9/3/2008 9:13:23 PM
i think Giuliani reverted to his tired old "remember 9/11" and "beware the terrorists" routine. i even noticed the Manhattan skyline (sans the WTC) projected on the screen behind him.

I thought it was really tired when he tried to use the terrorist boogeyman..
and found him extremely uninformed when he derided Obama's "present" votes in the illinois senate.

and i thought his comment about Obama's stance on Iraq, Al Qaeda were plain silly. They were cases when Obama was proven right!

and Palin's comments about Obama and taxes were so misleading.

The debates will be interesting.

Let's see...Biden, Syracuse Law,
Obama, Columbia and Harvard Law...

They won't let any of those lines get past them...
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 338 (view)
 
The Republican Convention 08
Posted: 9/3/2008 8:27:02 PM
she nailed that speech...but she doesn't have to back any of it up.

especially that part about the bridge to nowhere. did she forget that she supported that bridge?

and "drill baby drill"??

it's like an orgy of the uninformed.

biden is going to mop the deck with her when she actually has to back up her rhetoric.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke?
Posted: 9/3/2008 2:20:00 PM


you're insinuating that a woman tried to kill her yet unborn child because he had Downs Syndrome and I'm supposed to fulfill your request to put a motive to her actions....

why don't you wait for the next edition of the National Enquirer then maybe you'll have your answer...

your post and that rag are both comparably despicable


I'm not saying she did it so the baby wouldn't survive, but the child dying in transit was a very plausible scenario.

So your options are either she's too dumb to know better...or she intended it to happen.

You can choose.
For someone who wants to legislate treatment of the unborn, she played pretty dangerously with her unborn child, simply so she could make a speech.

At the same time, she cuts funding in her state for a halfway house for young single moms.

oh the humanity!
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 1546 (view)
 
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/3/2008 1:30:20 PM
We should remember that Palin is being touted as the anti-Washington politician and against porkbarrel spending.

1) she supported the building of the Alaskan "bridge to nowhere" up until it was exposed and momentum died.

2) she and her teams spent a ton of taxpayer dollars flying to DC to lobby Stevens the convict, for Alaskan earmarks!

The Democrats are going to have a field day with her.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke?
Posted: 9/3/2008 1:11:23 PM


this is incredibly, horribly, digustingly....
about the worse thing I have had the displeasure to read on POF

I don't give a flying fvck if you are for or against her as a candidate, but as a human to a human, WTF is YOUR humanity!


my humanity?
regardless of what you think of me...the woman's water broke on a preemie, and she gives a speech and then goes on a 3,000 mile flight?

Where is her humanity?

This is the truth. If you can think of a good reason to do that...let us know. I haven't heard any yet.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke?
Posted: 9/3/2008 11:36:18 AM
i have no idea of what her motives were, because if my wife were 7 mos pregnant and having false labor pains...she wouldn't be flying to texas.

why? Because i have common sense and good judgement

So, I'm putting this out there because I find this story very bizarre, yet it's true, and I can't fathom a motive. I was thinking out loud.

In the end...what does it say about the judgement of someone who could very likely be president?
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Do you really wonder why Bush and the Repubs want that SSI money in the stock market?
Posted: 9/3/2008 11:27:02 AM
except if we had followed Bush's plan for SS, many Americans would have lost it already.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke?
Posted: 9/3/2008 11:25:23 AM
that was kind of my point.
she knew he had down's syndrome...but was anti-abortion.

however, "unexpectedly" birthing a preemie on a plane would be one way to abort in a "morally acceptable" fashion.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke?
Posted: 9/3/2008 11:20:35 AM
sorry, thought folks heard.



Tarrant County Judge Glen Whitley: He said he was at the North Texas meeting this year when Palin’s water broke. She gave her speech and then quickly left to get back to Alaska before her baby was born. He said he and others were impressed with her speech. "A lot of comments then were made to look out for her in the future. I think people will take a wait-and-see attitude with her.  . . . She’s going to have to prove herself, but I think people will be surprised."

http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/876326.html




From Alaskan NBC affiliate KTUU:

Just yesterday, Palin was in Texas at a forum on energy with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and executives from four other states.

The governor's water broke during the energy conference but she stayed and gave a 30-minute speech before boarding an Alaska Airlines plane home to deliver the baby.

Palin gave birth to Trig Paxson Van Palin Friday at 6:30 a.m.

No word on why Palin was so determined to make sure young Trig wasn't born a Texan.

http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/04/governors-water.html




Palin was in Texas last week for an energy conference of the National Governors Association when she experienced signs of early labor. She wasn't due for another month.

Early Thursday -- she thinks it was around 4 a.m. Texas time -- she consulted with her doctor, family physician Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who is based in the Valley and has delivered lots of babies, including Piper, Palin's 7-year-old.

Palin said she felt fine but had leaked amniotic fluid and also felt some contractions that seemed different from the false labor she had been having for months.

"I said I am going to stay for the day. I have a speech I was determined to give," Palin said. She gave the luncheon keynote address for the energy conference.

Palin kept in close contact with Baldwin-Johnson. The contractions slowed to one or two an hour, "which is not active labor," the doctor said.

"Things were already settling down when she talked to me," Baldwin-Johnson said. Palin did not ask for a medical OK to fly, the doctor said.

"I don't think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back," Baldwin-Johnson said.

So the Palins flew on Alaska Airlines from Dallas to Anchorage, stopping in Seattle and checking with the doctor along the way.

"I am not a glutton for pain and punishment. I would have never wanted to travel had I been fully engaged in labor," Palin said. After four kids, the governor said, she knew what labor felt like, and she wasn't in labor.

Still, a Sacramento, Calif., obstetrician who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman's water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That's true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out, said Dr. Laurie Gregg.

"To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak," Gregg said.

Some airlines have policies against pregnant women onboard during the last four weeks of pregnancy, and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists advises against flying after 36 weeks.

This was going to be Palin's last flight anyway, her doctor said.

Alaska Airlines has no such rule and leaves the decision to the woman and her doctor, said spokeswoman Caroline Boren. Palin was very pleasant to the gate agents and flight attendants, as always, Boren said.

"The stage of her pregnancy was not apparent by observation. She did not show any signs of distress," Boren said.

Palin never got big with this pregnancy. She said she didn't try to hide it but didn't feel a need to alert the airline, either.

They landed in Anchorage around 10:30 p.m. Thursday and an hour later were at the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center in Wasilla.

Baldwin-Johnson said she had to induce labor, and the baby didn't come until 6:30 a.m. Friday.

"It was smooth. It was relatively easy," Palin said. "In fact it was the easiest of all," probably because Trig was small, at 6 pounds, 2 ounces.

Palin said she wanted him born in Alaska but wouldn't have risked anyone's health to make that happen.

http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke?
Posted: 9/3/2008 10:59:10 AM
Earlier this year when Sarah Palin's son was born...she was in Texas where she was scheduled to give a speech. Before the speech, her water broke and she was having some pains. This happend prematurely.

So, when she was asked if she wanted to cancel her speech, she declined, gave the speech, then flew from Texas to Anchorage, then was driven from Anchorage to Wasilla.

She chose to travel10 hours after her water broke on a preemie infant instead of going to the hospital. What was the reason and does this display poor judgement?

motives?

1. Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party in the 90's. This is a group that works to advance the cause of Alaskan Cecession from the United States. Perhaps she wanted to insure her child was born in Alaska and not Texas? Except, she could have had her child in Anchorage when she landed. Instead she chose to drive an additional 40 minutes to Wasilla, where they list their facilities as a birthing center. The Anchorage hospital delivers more babies than any other in Alaska and has a Neonatal ICU, which is important if you're having a premature baby with an underdeveloped heart.

2. Perhaps Palin was aware that her child had Down's Syndrome prior to birth? If she had given birth to the preemie on the plane, it would have certainly died before arrival. She took so many risks that don't make sense. Typically when your water breaks on a preemie birth, you are rushed to the hospital and they keep an eye on you. They don't put you on a plane and fly you 3,000 miles across the country then put you in a car for another 40 minutes.

Whatever the case.....bizarre judgement.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Porno over the real thing?
Posted: 9/3/2008 10:08:28 AM
we're leaving something out of the conversation....

porn is a known quantity...but whether it's your preference depends on who your partner is.

if she's gorgeous and in shape...it seems an easy choice.
if she's 500 lbs and smells like old milk, well...porn doesn't seem so bad.

i've known people who have chosen porn over their gorgeous woman...i think it was more of a relationship issue. i think sometimes when there are relationship issues, the bedroom can be the first place they manifest themselves. it has nothing to do with sex or appearance.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Abstience Rocks!
Posted: 9/2/2008 10:57:56 PM
the strings of the heart and the loins can become very easily entangled.

sex is beautiful...
maybe you can fake an orgasm, but you can't fake the time, effort, emotional investment that comes with sex.

in the drama respect....abstinence has it's charms..

but i prefer to participate in life.

put me in coach.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Porno over the real thing?
Posted: 9/2/2008 10:50:44 PM
i choose the middle ground.

prefer to make my own porn.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 59 (view)
 
mythbuster needed...
Posted: 9/2/2008 10:47:29 PM
I hear they only drink grape soda during sex.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 45 (view)
 
If you meet someone who claims to have been cheated on by thier last few partners..
Posted: 9/2/2008 10:44:27 PM
it didn't make me think that they are no good in the bedroom.
from my experience those gals were very good in the bedroom.

it turned me off because i thought they lacked good judgement.
that if they lacked judgement with something as simple as trust, then they could never appreciate the trust and other things i bring to the relationship.

sometimes i felt they settled for less than real trust because it was better than being alone. when i asked them about it, it was usually the case that they ignored their own common sense, ignored the obvious signs of infidelity or someone who was just really selfish and not invested in the relationship. they ended up trusting people who didn't earn it, because they didn't want to be single.

i couldn't be with someone like that.

a person like that doesn't want you for you. they want you to avoid being alone. they could never really appreciate you.

i've dated a couple of gals like that. they were all gorgeous and very good in the bedroom.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 150 (view)
 
The Republican Convention 08
Posted: 9/2/2008 8:37:48 PM
supposedly McCain wanted Lieberman for his VP, but the Party told him he can't have a Democrat as his running mate.

So much for Lieberman's point about McCain above the Partisanship.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 144 (view)
 
The Republican Convention 08
Posted: 9/2/2008 8:30:23 PM
After Bush, the day 2 rhetoric seemed to revolve around how McCain is going to change Washington....as if it wasn't the Republican Party running Washington for the last 8 years.

Hello?

Lot's of emotion, not much sense.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 49 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 7:24:07 PM
If we use the same rationale that was used in attacking obama....

based on the video posted in the original post, Sarah Palin believes that we're in the biblical "end days" that there's a good chance that Alaska will survive the tribulation, and we need God's help to keep Alaska prosperous with a pipeline and we need god's help to keep the US strong doing God's work in Iraq.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Sarah Palin Thinks Iraq War is a Task From God
Posted: 9/2/2008 12:15:01 PM
Yikes...now this choice makes more sense.
McCain trying to get the religious right on his side!

Here's a clip of Palin speaking at her Church stating she believes the Iraq war is a task from God! This is June of 2008!

She also wants God to help build a pipeline.
Yes Mrs Palin, Jesus wants us to bomb and kill Iraqis and build oil pipelines.
What a freak!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html



"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,..."

"That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."


and on a $30 billion oil pipeline:


"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,"

Click any of the Links below to access these Forum Categories:

Closed, but
accessible Forums
»»
Politics
Current Events
Religion

Related Links:Changes to Forums
Links Removed

For the Time being, there is ZERO Tolerance for Trolls posting Flamebait,
Insults, or peddling Agendas. Automatic 28 Day minimum Vacation Package.
    Don't post here if you can't keep your "Cool"

Report offensive Posts as usual in the Forum Rule Violations Report Thread
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Sarah Palin's 17 year old pregnant daughter!
Posted: 9/1/2008 1:33:45 PM
i agree...we should not pick on the families...

but this does raise pertinent campaign issues that are the Republican party's bread and butter.

for example.

- Pallin is anti-abortion.
it's fine enough that she supports her daughters decision to have a child, assuming it was her daughter's decision, but what about the girl next door?

Pallin would force every other pregnant teen to have their child...then leave them high and dry. poor prenatal care, poor health care, limited access to quality education.

and the Republcan party opposes sex education and supports abstinence only education, guaranteeing that these unwanted pregnancies will continue.

so, lay off the Pallin family.....we should repect them and not pick on them...
but, Pallin should respect other families, and not force her ideas on them.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Sarah Palin's 17 year old pregnant daughter!
Posted: 9/1/2008 1:02:09 PM
uhh...how about this one..

sarah pallin and her daughter both pregnant out of wedlock.

sarah pallin's party is against sex education and abortion and have supported only abstinence based programs for teens.

she seems to be the poster child for family planning and republicans have sought to do away with any family planning that doesn't embrace ONLY absitnence.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 22 (view)
 
McCain Engineering an October Surprise to Win the Election?
Posted: 9/1/2008 12:38:29 PM
dmotz,
a fair and honest man would not be blocking an investigation.
what do you think the attorney general scandal is about?
it goes all the way back to the 2000 & 2004 elections and the need to have republican friendly attorney generals with jurisdiction in battleground states.

bush has blocked any and all investigation, has asked his accomplices to ignore congressional subpoenas, and has the new attorney general mukasey refusing to investigate any improprieties, even while admitting they occurred.

in contrast, clinton appointed an independent counsel (ken starr) who was a repulibcan partisan to investigate every rumour and innuendo about his life and for the most part came up empty handed.

you can't claim that bush won those elections fairly. how would you know? you know none of the facts surrounding the case and bush doesn't want anyone to know.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 12 (view)
 
McCain Engineering an October Surprise to Win the Election?
Posted: 8/31/2008 1:58:15 PM
This doesn't seem a little questionable to you?




Georgian president to McCain: Move 'from words to deeds'

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

(CNN) – Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili on Wednesday called for John McCain and other American leaders to do more for Georgia in their response to the conflict in his country.

“Yesterday, I heard Sen. McCain say, ‘We are all Georgians now,’” Saakashvili said on CNN’s American Morning.
“Well, very nice, you know, very cheering for us to hear that, but OK, it’s time to pass from this. From words to deeds.”

McCain told a crowd in Pennsylvania yesterday that he had called Saakashvili to express solidarity with the people of Georgia, saying: “Today, we are all Georgians.”

McCain’s foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann told reporters on the campaign plane Tuesday that McCain’s remark “obviously meant a lot to Saakashvili personally, but more importantly the message it conveyed to the Georgian people in this really, time of unprecedented national emergency.” Scheunemann said McCain and Saakashvili are friends who have speaking daily throughout the crisis.

But Saakashvili said action is more important than rhetoric in the face of “brutal” and “deliberate” Russian violence. He urged the United States to take the lead in installing an international peacekeeping force.

“We should realize what is at stake here for Americans,” he said. “America is losing the whole region.”

“What Americans should do know, first of all, clearly make known their intentions,” he said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/13/georgian-president-to-mccain-move-from-words-to-deeds/


When you look at this timeline in reverse....the connection ssems more than coincidental.

Aug 13, 2008
Saakashvili begs McCain for help making McCain seem like an important and influential leader in a potential new Cold War.

Aug 8, 2008
Russia invades South Ossetia

Aug 8, 2008
Georgia invades South Ossetia

July 2008
Rove is in Yalta with Saakashvili

2007-2008
Saakashvili gives Scheunemann $800,000 to lobby McCain for Georgia.

2005-2010
The Republican dominate Millenium Challenge Corporation awards Saakashvili's Georgia $295 million over 5 years.

I wonder if McCain will try to capitalize on this investment at the convention?
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 42 (view)
 
McCains Adopted Daughter....
Posted: 8/31/2008 1:33:22 PM
This thread is very pertinent. Bridget McCain has purposefully decided to stay out of this campaign picture because of the smear campaign the Bushies led against her in the 2000 Republican Primary in South Carolina



The McCains adopted the girl, naming her Bridget. She would become part of the 2000 presidential campaign when Republicans opposed to McCain's nomination – and allegedly supporting George W. Bush – spread rumors before the South Carolina primary that Bridget was McCain's illegitimate black daughter.

It would be years before Bridget McCain would learn of the incident by Googling her own name.

Her daughter was very upset, recalls her mom, who says she has forgiven the political opponents.

"She wanted to know why President Bush hated her," Cindy McCain told the New York Times. "And I had to explain to her that it wasn't the president that hated her, that no one hates her. It was a very maturing process for her. I had to explain to her how nasty campaigns can be."

http://www.coxwashington.com/news/content/reporters/stories/2008/02/24/CINDY_MCCAIN24_COX.html

In 2000 McCain was just coming off a strong win in the New Hampshire Primary and was expected to carry South Carolina. The Bush/Rove machine went into action.

They started a "whisper" campaign stating that John McCain fathered Bridget via an illicit tryst with a black prostitute.



It didn't take much research to turn up a seemingly innocuous fact about the McCains: John and his wife, Cindy, have an adopted daughter named Bridget. Cindy found Bridget at Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, brought her to the United States for medical treatment, and the family ultimately adopted her. Bridget has dark skin.

Anonymous opponents used "push polling" to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child. In push polling, a voter gets a call, ostensibly from a polling company, asking which candidate the voter supports. In this case, if the "pollster" determined that the person was a McCain supporter, he made statements designed to create doubt about the senator.

Thus, the "pollsters" asked McCain supporters if they would be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he had fathered an illegitimate child who was black. In the conservative, race-conscious South, that's not a minor charge. We had no idea who made the phone calls, who paid for them, or how many calls were made. Effective and anonymous: the perfect smear campaign.

Some aspects of this smear were hardly so subtle. Bob Jones University professor Richard Hand sent an e-mail to "fellow South Carolinians" stating that McCain had "chosen to sire children without marriage." It didn't take long for mainstream media to carry the charge. CNN interviewed Hand and put him on the spot: "Professor, you say that this man had children out of wedlock. He did not have children out of wedlock." Hand replied, "Wait a minute, that's a universal negative. Can you prove that there aren't any?"

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/



People in some areas of South Carolina began to receive phone calls in which self-described pollsters would ask, "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?"

It was a reference to Bridget, who was adopted as a baby from an orphanage in Bangladesh and is darker skinned than the rest of the McCain family. Richard Hand, a professor at Bob Jones University, sent an e-mail message to "fellow South Carolinians" telling recipients that Mr. McCain had "chosen to sire children without marriage."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/us/politics/19mccain.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1219086418-Kisng7bUYKwV2HCoy9jcBg&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Rove's team also passed out fliers at church's calling the McCain the "f*g candidate" while at the same time Bush was proclaiming that he would never hire an openly gay person in his administration.

They also called Cindy McCain a drug addict.
And they used fringe groups to attack McCain as a coward, traiter, and collaborator, for working with his POW captors.

This negative campaign helpd Bush take the state and McCain never recovered. McCain supposedly never forgave Bush for what he did to him, but he looks a lot less mavericky after embracing Bush and hiring Rove's campaign team to run his Presidential campaign.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 5 (view)
 
McCain Engineering an October Surprise to Win the Election?
Posted: 8/29/2008 3:57:25 PM
nefarious,
i think what is missing in the discussion is the timing of this situation.

the timing is not random. georgia and russia have been sparring over the breakway republic since the early 90's.

however, the timing of the current invasion was dictated by georgia, not by russia.

why did georgia decide to invade south ossetia in early augsust just before a presidential election?

- a month ago the georgian president was in ukriane with karl rove
- georgia was awarded $295 million dollars from a republican run federal agency (mcc)
- georgia was paying mccain's current foreign policy advisor to lobby on their behalf.
- the US has been training georgian troops and there are 70 US trainers still in georgia

these are pretty concrete connections.

however, the republicans have a habit of throwing their accomplices under the bus (brownie, tenet, ridge, mcclellen, shinseki, saddam hussein).

now that they've thrown georgia under the bus, it may take some time for georgian president saakashvili to come around with the truth.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 13 (view)
 
McCain showing his class
Posted: 8/29/2008 12:19:35 PM
class?

would you air your show opposite the superbowl? it would be ignored.

he timed his announcement to cheat obama out of the watercooler discussion, steal the headlines on the first full post-speech newsday, and try to counter the post-convention bump in the polls.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 1 (view)
 
McCain Engineering an "October Surprise" to Win the Election?
Posted: 8/29/2008 12:13:05 PM


An October surprise is American political jargon describing a news event with the potential to influence the outcome of an election, particularly one for the presidency.


In the past Reagan was accused of striking a deal with Iran to delay the hostage release until after the election in exchange for the American arms his administration eventually sold to Iran.

Bush cruised into a second term with the benefit of being a "wartime President".

Could the recent events in Georgia bode well for the McCain campaign? Althoug I highly disagree, Americans seem to have the perception that McCain would be better for National Security and his military experience may lead to the perception of being a better commander in chief.

Given the events in Georgia could play into McCain's greatest perceived strength, to what extent is this a coincidence? On Aug 8, Georgian troops invaded Tskhinvali, the capital of the breakaway Republic South Ossetia. This invasion by Georgia has gone widely unreported in the US, but it prompted the current Russian response.

1) In July 2008, Karl Rove ignored his Congressional Subpoena and instead he claimed to be "vacationing" in the Crimea. The Crimea is a Ukrainian Province near Georgia.

Apparently, while there Rove attended the Yalta Conference whose attendees included, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili.


Could it be that Rove encouraged Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili to invade South Ossetia with assurances that the USA would back him in an effort to rekindle the Cold War and improve McCain's chances of being elected?


2. McCain's top Foreign Policy Advisor, Randy Scheunemann, is a lobbyist for the country of Georgia. Randy Scheunemann's lobbying firm, Orion Strategies, received more than $730,000 from Georgia since 2001. Last year Scheunemann had contacted McCain's Senate office on behalf of the state of Georgia. Could it be that the McCain campaign encouraged the invasion through it's top Foreign Policy Advisor/Georgian Lobbyist Randy Scheunemann?

3. John McCain and Randy Scheunemann, sit on the board of directors of the International Republican Institute (IRI) with Lorne Craner.
http://www.iri.org/board.asp

Lorne Craner sits on the board of the Millenium Challenge Corporation along with Condi Rice, and Bill Frist.
http://www.mca.gov/about/boardofdirectors/index.php

The MCC has recently awarded the nation of Georgia $295 million .
http://www.mcc.gov/press/releases/documents/stmt-081408-georgia.php

Could the Republican Party or McCain staff through the MCC be leveraging an invasion of South Ossetia by Georgia with the promise of $295 tax payer dollars to benefit the McCain campaign?

4. Russian President Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the US of inciting the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia by training and arming Georgian troops and even accuses American citizens of actually participating in the conflict. Putin claims this is being done in order to influence the US elections.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/28/Putin_US_incited_conflict_in_Georgia/UPI-40231219949921/

I personally believe a renewed Cold War would be McCain's best chance of winning the current elections and believe that there are some machinations behind the scenes based on the deep ties between the McCain Election Team/Republican Party/Rove and the country of Georgia.

It's happend before and the method and motive are clear. Thoughts?
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 66 (view)
 
The Dumbing Down Of The American Mind
Posted: 8/29/2008 12:08:40 AM


I'm sorry, did someone say that there was a middle class at the time of the American Revolution?


Stefano,
Yes there was a strong middle class at the time of the Revolution.

There were yet no millionaires. There were rich men, but the wealth of the American Farmer Class paled in comparison to the truly wealthy, British nobility living in America with land titles.

These wealthy were investors in the East India Trading Company. King George faciliated a virtual EITC monopoly to enrich himself and British nobles.

This is much like today with the influence that ever consolidating corporations hold over government and legislation. Record profits and the lowest tax rate in over 100 years.

When the Patriots kicked the British out, they were essentially what would be considered a middle class, but the gross accumulation and polarization of wealth that we see starting in the Post Civil War era did not exist yet.

yours was the best comment, becuase it epitomizes the subject of this thread.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 48 (view)
 
The Dumbing Down Of The American Mind
Posted: 8/28/2008 4:55:46 PM
Bingo Jack!

there were two times in American history when the US had a strong middle class.

One was the during the Revolution and the other was Post WWII when Roosevelt and Johnson's great society was in full swing.

Both resulted in political revolutions that enlightened not only America, but the world by inspiring political inclusion across the world!
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 8 (view)
 
The Dumbing Down Of The American Mind
Posted: 8/27/2008 4:08:25 PM
you can very clearly lay blame at bush's feet.

for years now bush has his agency heads dumbing down and literally changing the findings in the reports of government scientists.

they changed scientists finding in EPA reports to make global warming seem less certain.

they ignored the new orleans evacuation plan of the scientists at the hurricane center at LSU.

they hired talk show hosts and bought public airtime with tax dollars to shill for their policies in the guise of being an impartial talk show.

they used public tax dollars to fund their traveling road show ("townhalls") which was packed with partisans and designed to kill social security.

they provided misleading information in the run up to war that had previously been discredited by experts. (anyone remember aluminum tubes?)

they reduced or killed federal college grant programs and put the nail in the coffin of troubled schools with the no child left behind program.

they contradict the findings of the scientists and experts in the EPA by calling for drilling in ANWR when the scientists very clearly state there is little or no benefit.

bush and his team have very clearly dumbed down the discourse in this country. he is very clearly anti-science, not fact based, and unfortunately, it works on the average joe.

american's are not dumb, they are simply being misled.
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Are You Better Off Now Than You Were Four Years Ago?
Posted: 8/27/2008 3:12:06 PM
tim,
simple fact is that most economists do not agree that a minimum wage is bad for the economy. only the neo-con supply siders like alan greenspan.

you've repeated some very basic myths that you can toss out the window foerever if you just look at the actual data.

1. increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy and will result in less jobs.

since 1960, the minimum wage has increased 14 times. in the year following the increase, there were only 2 years where there wasn't a job increase.

so, you can stop repeating this myth, the data shows that it's not true.
if we adjusted the 1963 minimum wage for inlflation, the current minimum wage would be well over $8 and hour. so, increasing the minimum wage to over $8 per hour right now would not constitute an increase in real dollars, it's simply necessary to maintain the status quo to keep up with inflation.

keep in mind that prices do keep up with inflation, which means that profit does keep up with inflation. if wages don't keep up with inflation, that means that corporations are pocketing the difference.

2. tax cuts are better for the economy.

as mentioned, most of the taxes are (were) paid by the rich and corporations.
in the 60's the top tax rate was 90% and the top corporate tax rate was about 40%
in the 70's the top tax rate was 70% and the top corporate tax rate was about 40%
in the 80's the top tax rate was 50% and the top corporate tax rate was about 20%
in the 90's the top tax rate was 37% and the top corporate tax rate was about 20%
in the 2000's the top tax rate was 35% and the top corporate tax rate was about 20%

the average annual GDP growth in the 60's was greater than the 70's
the average annual GDP growth in the 70's was greater than the 80's
the average annual GDP growth in the 80's was greater than the 90's
the average annual GDP growth in the 90's was greater than the 2000's

so, simply put, the maxim that lower taxes is better for the economy is FALSE.
the version that you are suggesting (the supply side) has been in effect for 35 years and the result is obvious.

It might be worth sacrificing wage levels and GDP growth if Americans had an improved standard of living.

the reality is americans have less buying power, a negative savings rate, less healthcare, more poverty, more wealth polarization, less education and educational opportunities, less social services, work more hours, etc...
 eriksfbay
Joined: 8/2/2004
Msg: 1 (view)
 
What Happend to the Republican Party of 1872?
Posted: 8/26/2008 8:15:22 PM
Here are some Republican Party gems from Republican Party Platform of 1872 also a comment from Honest Abe.

It seems these original Republican concepts would be embraced by both parties today.

Republicans are notoriously anti-labor
Lincoln on Labor



"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."


on Partisan Political Appointments


Platform Point Five

"Any system of civil service under which the subordinate positions of the government are considered rewards for mere party zeal is fatally demoralizing; and we, therefore, favor a reform of the system, by laws which shall abolish the evils of patronage, and make honesty, efficiency, and fidelity the essential qualifications for public positions."


on Corporate Welfare versus Human Welfare


Platform Point Six

"We are opposed to further grants of public land to corporations and monopolies, and demand that the national domain be set apart for free homes for the people."


on the Budget Deficit and Wage Protection



Platform Point Seven

"The [nation's] annual revenue, after paying current expenditures, pensions, and the interest on the public debt, should furnish a moderate balance for the reduction of the principal [of the national debt]; and that revenue should be raised by duties upon importations, the details of which [duties] should be so adjusted as to aid in securing remunerative wages to labor, and promote the industries, prosperity, and growth of the whole country."


on the rights of Women and Minorities



Platform Point Fourteen

"The Republican party is mindful of its obligations to the loyal women of America for their noble devotion to the cause of freedom. Their admission to wider fields of usefulness is viewed with satisfaction; and the honest demand of any class of citizens for additional rights should be treated with respectful consideration."


on Civil Rights (Patriot Act?)



Platform Point Sixteen

"The Republican party proposes to respect the rights reserved by the people to themselves as carefully as the powers delegated by them to the States and the Federal government. It disapproves of the resort to unconstitutional laws for the purpose of removing evils, by interference with rights not surrendered by the people to either the State or National government."


on Patriotism and Character of our Leader



Platform Point Eighteen

"We believe that the modest patriotism, the earnest purpose, the sound judgment, the practical wisdom, the incorruptible integrity, and the illustrious services of Ulysses S. Grant have commended him to the heart of the American people, "


on American Global Integrity



Platform Point One

"Menacing foreign difficulties have been peacefully and honorably composed, and the honor and power of the nation kept in high respect throughout the world."


In Summation



Platform Point One

"This glorious record of the past is the party's best pledge for the future. We believe the people will not intrust the Government to any party or combination of men composed chiefly of those who have resisted every step of this beneficent progress."

Click any of the Links below to access these Forum Categories:

Closed, but
accessible Forums
»»
Politics
Current Events
Religion

Related Links:Changes to Forums
Links Removed

For the Time being, there is ZERO Tolerance for Trolls posting Flamebait,
Insults, or peddling Agendas. Automatic 28 Day minimum Vacation Package.
    Don't post here if you can't keep your "Cool"

Report offensive Posts as usual in the Forum Rule Violations Report Thread
 
Show ALL Forums