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Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

Msg: 47 (view)

ok...i'm a 19 year old virgin Posted: 11/12/2009 1:20:31 PM
how come it's okay for women to be desperate and negative, but not okay for men? and for your information, I don't give a ****, I have every right to have a negative attitude and be desperate, mind your own business you piece of shit.

Drusurfer06

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ok...i'm a 19 year old virgin Posted: 11/12/2009 9:17:21 AM
I don't care, you don't have to argue with me anymore, i'm just saying how it is, just stating the facts, it's better to be a taker than be an initiator, people say if you want something in life, you have to work for it, nothing comes easy, well thats true, mainly for men, not women.

Drusurfer06

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Why are guys afraid to ask women out? Posted: 11/12/2009 1:50:15 AM
Yeah, exactly, women get easy dates just standing still, it's like they can get a date or a boyfriend whenever they want to. Us men have to have perfect social skills in order for a girl to even show the slightest interest back in us. Women just need to smile and say "Hi", in order for us men to be receptive to them.

Drusurfer06

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ok...i'm a 19 year old virgin Posted: 11/12/2009 1:46:47 AM
yeah, thats right, but even if you are man and you are confident, and you have balls, you are still going to get shot down and be rejected, women are much more picky than men are. Women reject Men are many different reasons, while us Men only reject Women for one reason.

Drusurfer06

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The Game and its effectiveness Posted: 11/12/2009 1:40:04 AM
Well even if you are a "MAN", and you are confident, you have balls, not fearful, you take charge, you are still going to get rejected. Women just need to be born cute, pretty, good-looking, simple, all women need to have is a nice rack, thats all. Us Men need to be confident, have the right social skills or right small talk skills, conversation skills, the right attitude, mentality, way of thinking, etc. Us men have to walk, talk, sit, stand, breathe, think a certain way. Overall, it's easier to be visually appealing to someone than it is to be emotionally, mentally, socially appealing to someone.

Drusurfer06

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ok...i'm a 19 year old virgin Posted: 11/11/2009 1:22:11 PM
Women have it easier initially on everything, they always have the final yes, it's easier to be a taker than to go after what you want, there is nothing that anyone can do to stop my way of thinking that women have it easier than men do.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

Msg: 261 (view)

The Game and its effectiveness Posted: 11/11/2009 1:17:29 PM
Since us guys have to initiate everything or just about everything with girls, it makes it seem that girls are just along for the ride in the relationship, and all you other people out there say it's good because it gives us guys control, that we are in the drivers seat, well, for me, I don't like being in control, I don't like being the Boss.

Drusurfer06

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Shy guy, no real dating experience, what to do? Advice please. Posted: 11/8/2009 8:21:05 PM
Yup, you are right, Men need Confidence, Women don't need Confidence, Women don't need to have a social status, Women just need to be cute, pretty, or good-looking. Like most guys don't care about a woman's personality if she is cute and good looking, like her looks will be more appealing to the guy.

Drusurfer06

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Male Virgins? Do they exist? Posted: 11/8/2009 8:14:24 PM
There has to be more male virgins out there than female virgins, because if a person, or human being is struggling to get laid, it almost all the time is a male, for obvious reasons. Since almost no straight male will say No to Sex.

Drusurfer06

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Why are guys afraid to ask women out? Posted: 11/8/2009 8:06:36 PM
It's a lot easier to be visually appealing to someone than it is to be emotionally appealing to someone, thats another reason why women have it easier than men when it comes to dating and relationships. Women don't need to have a social status in order to attract a Man, Women just need to be born cute or pretty.

Drusurfer06

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Never kissed a girl Posted: 11/8/2009 7:56:55 PM
It's a lot easier to be visually appealing to someone than it is to be emotionally appealing to someone, thats another reason why women have it easier than men when it comes to dating and relationships.

Drusurfer06

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People With No Conversation Skills Posted: 11/8/2009 7:55:18 PM
It's a lot easier to be visually appealing to someone than it is to be emotionally appealing to someone, thats another reason why women have it easier than men when it comes to dating and relationships.

Drusurfer06

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Any Virgins or those practicing Celibacy Posted: 10/28/2009 1:27:58 PM
I'm 21, almost 22 and I'm still a virgin, since I have reached this age I feel it is neccessary to remain celibate until marriage, but I doubt I will find a virgin woman, because 95 percent of people lose their virginity before age 25.

Drusurfer06

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Why do women keep insisting that it's harder for them to get a date? Posted: 10/28/2009 1:24:30 PM
I think what Women mean is that it is hard to get the right kind of Man, but in reality, even when Women do meet and get the right kind of Man, it still was easier for them in the first place because Traditionally, us Men have to initiate a date.

Drusurfer06

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People With No Conversation Skills Posted: 10/28/2009 1:20:32 PM
My conversation skills are not good because I have Asperger Syndrome, which is a mild form of Autism, it sucks because us Humans in general, are social creatures, so building friendships or relationships, dates, make it a struggle.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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Single for a month... Posted: 10/28/2009 12:08:32 PM
In my opinion from experience, like what I have observed, is that women do not stay single as long as men do, like women have more opportunities and chances to meet a potential date or potential boyfriend. Also when a guy and a girl break up, almost all the time, it is usually the girl that ends up dating again sooner, like the girl ends up meeting and seeing a new guy, the guy ends up becoming her boyfriend, faster and sooner for her ex-boyfriend. Overall, the girl gets a new boyfriend faster and sooner than her ex-boyfriend gets a new girlfriend.

Drusurfer06

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Conversation and Relating to Women Posted: 10/28/2009 12:06:16 PM
I have Asperger Syndrome, thats the reason why I have bad social skills, like when I meet new people, I have little or nothing to talk about, even if I do have something to talk about, I often run out of things to say.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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ok...i'm a 19 year old virgin Posted: 10/28/2009 12:05:04 PM
I'm 21, almost 22 and still a virgin, in my opinion, it seems in society everywhere, there are more male virgins than there are female virgins. I bet if a girl is a virgin, she is a virgin by choice, if a guy is a virgin, almost all the time it is not by choice.

Drusurfer06

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Msg: 157 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/28/2009 11:23:32 AM
Do you think the older a person gets without having a boyfriend/girlfriend, the more harder it will be to get your first one as you get older? what do you think about that? the older a person gets, the more harder it will become?

Drusurfer06

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Getting over Shyness? >.> Posted: 10/28/2009 11:15:39 AM
Why is it okay for women to be shy but not okay for men? why do we have that double-standard in our society? Is it because we live in a Male-Dominant society? Do I have valid point? What are the reasons?

Drusurfer06

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Never kissed a girl Posted: 10/28/2009 10:39:57 AM
I guess it all comes down to the fact that for a while, and still is, because men are seen as head of the household? Is that a vaild reason as to why almost all the time, men have to initiate everything with women?

Drusurfer06

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Msg: 156 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/28/2009 10:34:25 AM
Overall, shyness and social anxiety, or any form of a social disability, hurts guys a lot more than it hurts girls, since more than half the time, us guys have to do the pursuing and chasing, overall, taking the initiative.

Drusurfer06

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Why are guys afraid to ask women out? Posted: 10/28/2009 10:08:10 AM
Actually, Joe Montana thew more TD passes in his career than he did interceptions, it says so on Wikipedia, it sounds like you are trying to say that you will always fail more than succeed.

Drusurfer06

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Msg: 154 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/27/2009 7:05:32 AM
Still, I think it's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all, even if it was a difficult, bad relationship, because when it ends, it helps you learn from your mistakes, and that helps make better decisions in your new relationship. Eventhough I've never had a gf, my instinct and gut feeling tells me that. That is why it is still depressing for me that I have never had a gf, I seriously hate gender roles in our society, oh well, nothing I can do to change it.

Drusurfer06

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Never kissed a girl Posted: 10/27/2009 7:00:58 AM
Thats what I was saying, the world is the way it is, the it has always been up to us men to take the initiative and ask women out on dates, make the first move, doing the pursuing, that is why I said Pagan times, and before that.

Drusurfer06

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Never kissed a girl Posted: 10/26/2009 5:01:49 AM
Us Men have to do work in order to get anything from a Woman, we have to initiate everything, Women just need to be cute, pretty, decent, etc. Thats how it has always been, ever since Pagan times, and before that.

Drusurfer06

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Msg: 153 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/26/2009 4:58:20 AM
Still, I think it's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all, even if it was a difficult, bad relationship, because when it ends, it helps you learn from your mistakes, and that helps make better decisions in your new relationship. Eventhough I've never had a gf, my instinct and gut feeling tells me that.

Drusurfer06

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Never kissed a girl Posted: 10/21/2009 2:37:33 PM
Whats interesting is that women don't have to put even half the effort compared to men when it comes to romance, dating, and relationships, boyfriend/girlfriend, etc., and they have every possible advantage in the singles life and yet they still believe that they have it harder. Why do women think they have it harder than men do when it comes to dating and relationships when women don't have to take the lead or initiate anything?

Drusurfer06

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Asking someone out Posted: 10/21/2009 2:35:36 PM
It is very annoying and irritating on how us guys almost all the time have to initiate everything with girls, such as starting the conversation and keeping it going, asking her out.

Drusurfer06

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Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/21/2009 2:27:47 PM
So I should lie about it? wouldn't that turn a woman off? besides, they will probably find out eventually down the road on a guy's past experience, I seriously hate gender-roles in society.

Drusurfer06

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Never kissed a girl Posted: 10/21/2009 1:00:02 PM
In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding. This is how much harder it is for us guys, I'm a 21 year old guy, eventhough I have kissed a girl before, I am still a virgin and never had a girlfriend.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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Getting over Shyness? >.> Posted: 10/21/2009 12:29:21 PM
Shyness hurts Men a lot more than it hurts Women: In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding.

Drusurfer06

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Is anyone here a Mater Dei or Servite alumnus? or is anyone going to the game this year? Posted: 10/21/2009 12:17:25 PM
I got my tickets today, there was a huge line, heck, some people had arrived at 3 or 4 in the morning just to get tickets, thats how intense this high school football rivalry game is, if you want more info about Mater Dei and Servite, here are wikipedia links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mater_Dei_High_School_(Santa_Ana,_California) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servite_High_School

Drusurfer06

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Starting the conversation Posted: 10/21/2009 12:15:11 PM
This is how shyness hurts guys a lot more than it hurts girls: In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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Why are guys afraid to ask women out? Posted: 10/21/2009 11:50:26 AM
This paragraph states how it is unfair for a lot of men in our culture and society, in which men are expected to initiate everything with women: In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/21/2009 11:48:59 AM
Well it's kinda embarassing because an overwhelming majority of people have their very first boyfriend/girlfriend in high school, or before they enter their 20's, same thing with losing virginity, I feel it's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.

Drusurfer06

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The Game and its effectiveness Posted: 10/21/2009 11:42:21 AM
Whats interesting is that women don't have to put even half the effort compared to men when it comes to getting a date or entering, starting a relationship and they have every possible advantage in the singles life and yet they still believe that they have it harder.

Drusurfer06

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Msg: 92 (view)

21 and still a virgin, Any advice? Posted: 10/21/2009 11:40:10 AM
I already know how the game works, the fact that us men have to initiate everything, or almost everything with women, that we have to do work in order to get anything from a woman, and know I am not saying I want my friends to come comfort me when I get reject, that guy was just stating the facts on how our Culture and Society works.

Drusurfer06

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Never been in a relationship before...and im 23 Posted: 10/20/2009 7:07:37 AM
I assume the reason as to why an overwhelming majority of women as to why they are not date initiators, and do not do the pursuing or chasing, or ask men out is because: Why should women take it upon themselves to approach when siting back, relaxing and waiting for the date puts them in a position of absolute power?

Drusurfer06

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21 and never had a girlfriend. Posted: 10/20/2009 7:06:16 AM
Whats interesting is that women don't have to put even half the effort compared to men and they have every possible advantage in the singles life or when it comes to dating and relationships, boyfriend/girlfriend and yet they still believe that they have it harder.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

Msg: 146 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/20/2009 7:04:33 AM
I believe that stuff that I posted here, which I copied and pasted from another site, that guy who wrote that has a very good valid point, women don't have to put half the effort in order to attract a potential date.

Drusurfer06

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The Game and its effectiveness Posted: 10/20/2009 1:05:52 AM
This guy I copied and pasted this from, tells it like it is on how much easier women have it in the dating world: In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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Never been in a relationship before...and im 23 Posted: 10/20/2009 1:00:33 AM
This is how much easier it is for Women, and I copied and pasted this from an article I read: In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding. Whats interesting is that women don't have to put even half the effort compared to men and they have every possible advantage in the singles life and dating and relationships and yet they still believe that they have it harder.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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Why are guys afraid to ask women out? Posted: 10/20/2009 12:59:07 AM
The reason why Women don't ask Men out is this: Why should women take it upon themselves to approach when siting back, relaxing and waiting for the date puts them in a position of absolute power?

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

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Some insight on women approaching on POF Posted: 10/20/2009 12:54:39 AM
Whats interesting is that women don't have to put even half the effort compared to men and they have every possible advantage in the dating and relationship scene and yet they still believe that they have it harder.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

Msg: 144 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/20/2009 12:52:48 AM
Whats interesting is that women don't have to put even half the effort compared to men and they have every possible advantage in the singles life, and dating/relationship scene and yet they still believe that they have it harder, when they don't realize how much easier they have it.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

Msg: 143 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/20/2009 12:51:17 AM
Whoever wrote this right here made a very good valid point on how it is much harder for men and easier for women: In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

Msg: 86 (view)

21 and still a virgin, Any advice? Posted: 10/20/2009 12:50:10 AM
In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding. I copied and pasted this, whoever wrote this made a very good valid point.

Drusurfer06

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21 and never had a girlfriend. Posted: 10/20/2009 12:49:07 AM
In reality, it is much more difficult for a man to meet a woman than it is for a woman to meet a man. Women are able to approach men and are also able to wait to be asked out. Men can not wait and rely on women to approach and ask for the date because men WILL NEVER BE ASKED OUT. Men have to do everything in order to get anything with a woman. Women have the god given right of never having to deal with rejection or incur any of the pain associated with it. When a man gets rejected he has to shrug it off and his friends would tell him to “be a man”. On the other hand, if a woman gets rejected, she would most likely take it as a personal insult on her inner child and her friends will comfort her. A woman is automatically accepted by society as a woman; whereas men have to prove themselves at every turn. A shy woman WILL get asked out without having to over come it. Men have to work more on themselves than women do. Men must have confidence, real self confidence, that is not based solely on how they look, but rather understanding and acknowledging their self worth in order to approach. Building up this type of confidence takes time and understanding.

Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009

Msg: 141 (view)

Is it odd to be 19 and never of had a boyfriend? Posted: 10/18/2009 8:39:30 PM
I hate how it is always up to the guy to approach girls and start a conversation, take the lead, because having a mental developmental disorder such as Asperger Syndrome makes it nearly impossible.

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