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 Author Thread: Hurt but still in love
 NorseViking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Hurt but still in love
Posted: 3/3/2009 12:28:48 PM
I feel sorry for you. Honestly. I am in the same boat. I still have feelings and unresolved issues with my ex. All I can do is Move on, with or without closure. You need to be your own closure and find what it is you want in a lover. Yes you will always have those good memories. In time you will have better memories with friends, family, and a new lover.

Become Don Juan, stop being Don Quixote.

To explain: We look at only the good in people we want to couple with. Love yourself first, not the image of your perfect lover.
 NorseViking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 38 (view)
 
what does finding yourself mean
Posted: 3/3/2009 12:18:01 PM
My ex said the same thing to me after she cheated on me,. She does not know what she wants or what she needs. Yes it is a cop out, but it is not your fault. Yes it is hurtful to be with someone and then they flip the switch. What you need top do now is find yourself. What is it you want and need now as opposed to 30 years ago? You may have changed since the relationship. You may have changed because it ended. You may be the same? You can agonize all day about your ex, or you can move on.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Drug czar gives warning Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
Posted: 7/4/2008 11:16:57 AM

I think it's unfair to say using heroin is a terrorist thing to do. Next time you go to the hospital or anyone else that goes to the hospital and needs morphine, you may as well call them a terrorist too then; because, morphine is a less concentrated version of heroin. I guess a lot of it is synthetic these days; but, like someone else said they supple 40% of the worlds opium. Opium is derived into a lot of pharmaceuticals. There's a reason they are prescribed, and why they are addictive. It still doesn't make it terrorist.


Morphine, dilauded, and there ilk are not the same thing as opium or heroin...In fact that is grown and processed here and not the same damn thing. Heroin that is used as a drug is usual not pharmaceutical grade and is come3s from nations we should not be trading with. So no I am not calling the hosuipitals out for sponsering terroism, nor and I saying that those who ned morphine and methadone terrorists.

The real terroists are people that shop at places that do not sell American goods. The real terrorists are the comapnies that outsource rather than to hire the homeless.

This is now a Witch hunt.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Drug czar gives warning Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
Posted: 7/3/2008 10:04:47 PM
It is just so absurd what the bush administration will do in there last days . I do not know weather it is the stupidity or the old age that scares me most or the Orwellian fear mongering.

How many inocent peopel or Psudo innocent pot farmers might be put to the screws because of this. I sure hope Obama or or some other figure will parden thes farmers and put in a real drug Czar who will lobby for decriminalization.
 Norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Designer Pets through engineering
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:34:32 PM
I'll Take two please.

No seriously, I do not have a problem with gentech. I'd love tho have a dog with feathers or a Floureesnet lemues...Where do I sign up?
 Norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Drug czar gives warning Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:29:29 PM
I'll even go one step further and a call all of us consumers ( me included) and all of the businesses that outsource ,rather than maintain our infrastructure, TERRORISTS> We suppourt china , not our home land , and wonder why are economy is F U C K E D!
 Norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Drug czar gives warning Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:19:00 PM
This is totally ludicris if you ask me. I think it is a terrorist act if you are a heroin user or a coke user because all that stuff comes from countries that a) hate the U.S. and be) suport other economies that too hate the U.S.

I do not find that is an issue with most of the pot in this regeon. I think it is just a last ditch scare tatic to put decentors away in lew of sedition charges.


OMG growing a farm can be the death penalty....To me that is facism.
 Norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 54 (view)
 
George Carlin Passes away at 71..
Posted: 6/23/2008 7:39:44 PM
Aside from Cliff burton this is the only time the death of a celebrety has made me cry...And I was 12 when Cliff died. I am kiciking my self for not seing him last year in Santa Rosa at the Wells Fargo Theater of the performing arts ( formally the Luther burbank center fot rthe performing arts) I find solus in the fact that he always made me laugh and I agreed with him 90% of the time ( which is a great feat since I am a skeptic) By the way it reminds me of a quote he made " The true cynics are those that say everything is going to be ok" . aSIDE FROM HIS ALBUMS AND MOVIES TO STILL MAKE ME CRACK A SMILE, i HAVE ONE LESS REASON TO BE HAPPY IN THIS SICK SAD LITTLE WORLD.
 Norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Gas $ 500 a gallon who cares>>>Liter of fuel would last 1 year...IF cars had kept pace with compute
Posted: 6/22/2008 1:54:02 PM
^^^You are corect that only X amount of joules can be harnessed from internal combustion on the explosion end;However, there are a number of factors that can govern what that explosion can accomplish mechanically ( i.e. the efficiency and placement of the explosion, and what work can be accomplished by gears and such.)

Engines use the same explosive force on a differing set of idle settings based on what the engine can accomplish. If one engindge can handle a 5 liter explosion and push 8 large pistons it is gonna lose efficiency but gain you power and speed.

If a car has the capability of chrunning 1.9 liter explosion fthru 4 small pistons, you get efficincy but lose power. it is all in the design of engines to tell us wjhat amount of joules a gas expolison can accomplish, not merly the joules of the explosive force.
 Norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 39 (view)
 
GOP convention button asks, ‘If Obama is president…will we still call it the White House?’
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:25:17 PM
Slightly off topic but must be noted:
This goes to all the Right wingers who on all the threads aside fromn this one claim you are the arty that is for the black man...HOW DARE YOU GO THERE NOW! You can not have it both ways.

On topic:

Thois is why no matter how ood the republican oparty may have been, I will never vote for them again. Lincoln and Regan are rolling in there graves.
 Norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Onward Christian Soldiers! - atheist sues Army
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:12:54 PM

Its sad that an atheistic op would choose to use a thinly veiled article to attack the faith and belief system of others under the guise of news. I will vote to have this hate threat deleted.


Id vote to have you banned for being off topic...The op's faith or lack there of has nothing to do with the news artical that she posted.

What anti christian hate speach are you talking about? I saw none. No name calling, no persoanl attacking. NONE!

Back on topic, I say that our militarry is getting to become religeously polarized and that is a BAAAD thing. What about jews and muslims and hindus and budhists that serve...Are they any less patriotic cause they do not worship some imaginary fictional charater.

Faith is personal thing, when it becomes nationalized, we have all seen the horrors it roughts. The constitution and the bill of rights protects our government and it protects the chuirch by keeping each organization out of it...Last I heard the militarry branch of governmnet was controlled by the state dept. Wouldn't it be a conflict of interest then if the church ran our militarry and made sure you had to be christian..or you couldn't serve.

Religeon should never enter into politics...EVER!
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 300 (view)
 
Calif. Supreme Court rejects gay marriage ban......
Posted: 6/18/2008 5:55:21 PM
Yesterday was he first official day of legal same sex marriages. I have to say that It is about time . It is upsetting to say the least that the religeous right would still like to ban what ever they can to put the kaibosh on gay marraie 9 i.e. outlawing the new unisex party a, party b, marriage licences and the nov. elections). It should not even go up for a vote. All I can say is al I saw was happiness save for the 3 people who protested in contra costa co. when the man who has married straight couples for 15 years can finally say I do to his lover of 25 years.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 16 (view)
 
260 Tons of Hashish
Posted: 6/16/2008 11:32:53 PM

Lets all blame "big Pharma", "Dupont" and any other person for keeping hemp down!
Whome else would you blame?...The anti marijuana propaganda films of the 30's ( which in no way were at all indicative of what a pot head is like). By the way those films were paid for by Busch, Dupont, Straus et al.


You are your own worst enemy! most of the pro pot people are babbling fools! (yes! you!)


Generalizing and name calling arent going to make your arguement stronger. Your stereotypical analysis of most marijuana users in general is quite sad..Yes ther are many wanna be cheech and chongs out ther that only care about getting high. But for every Cheech and Chong, there is Ed rosanthal and Jack herer. There are people that are fully fuctional "stoners" who are smart, are activists and also work 9-5 and some times OT jobs.

To lump all or even most of the Pro marijuana activists in the same boat as the "POT ab"USER" is goping to lose your argument for you faster than it is going to save it or win it.


it can all be taxed... no one is holding down pot.... and please dont try to be a pro pot head for medical pot unless you require it...


No. It is not being taxed. The stamp act simply made it so ther was no way to legally grow hemp..as for marijuana it made it so it could be declared a schedual 1 drug 5 years after being party to the stamp act.

By your statement then..I am not alowed to speak for those with aids, cancer, sever migrains that induce nausea, glacoma, catorac patients unlewss I have one or all of the abobve. Why am I not alowed (as an american) to speak up for my fellow man in the street. Sure medical marijuana has been abused but so has legal perscription drugs ( and I might add that ther are far more people hooked on pharisuticals who have no need for them than those who abuse pot). Vicodin, percocert, vallium all have been abused in epidemic numbers. Why not go after them instead of the pot heads if you are so up in arms.
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Just because I do not need medical marijuana does not mean I should be silent and not support those that do require it.


And please provide a valid, stand alone arguement for pot without mentioning booze... they have nothing to do with eachother...
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Since they can both be used as Livation, then they are both the same in one way otr another ( they both get you high) Har d Alcohol is refined, Marijuana ( unless it is hash) is not. Beer and wine is just like pot in many ways.


Pot is no more a gift from god than booze or cigarettes... all natural.


Hard alcohol is refined and so are cigarettes, Cigars and pot are not, neither is wine nor beer. Get your facts straight.


Booze is distilled... pot is no longer grown in a bush... it is hydro stuff...


Hydroponics and fertization and changing of the light and heat and moisture of a plant is not refining or adulterating it at all. It is a way of getting a higher yeild at a faster rate and making a better product. Yes it hasa higher thc amount...BIG DEAL... it is still not refined..That would be hash.


heroin is also natural... care to defend it?


WRONG. only opium in its raw form is natural..there are about 150 reined drugs that can be made from opium by using differtnt parts of the poppy ( whol;e or in part). many of which are pharmisuticals like Morphine, dilauded Methadone etc Heroin is the not even the strongest of the opiates ( but it is one of the most dangerous)


Until you walk out into the woods and find a pot plant and smoke it... stop using the excuse that " god made it"


Actually I used to run across it naturally all the time. The problem is that though it does grow out in the wild.. California Parks and recriation and the fish and game dept. love to burn the weed and I do not mean in there lungs. But good try trying to pull the wool over our eyes.


God is a fictional person...


The only thing I think you and I even agree on.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Internet Cigarette Legislation
Posted: 6/16/2008 9:46:43 PM

If all the money was spent where it was supposed to be spent, we would see a huge advertising blitz against smoking.


I take it you never saw the TRUTH campaign ads or the WHUDAFUXUP ads... the are produced by Rob Reiner and Directed independently.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 154 (view)
 
PickUp Trucks run Empty
Posted: 6/16/2008 9:06:02 PM

I find your blanket statements offensive, foolish, and overtly self-righteous.

I use a compact truck that gets great fuel mileage, drive safely, and I enjoy it every bit as much as you enjoy your car.

Please, tell me in some logical manner, how you are a "better" human being than me.


He cant. He knows he is better cause he drives his tiny car and drives well and wants to force you to drive the same clown car and drive as safely as he does. he will try and use more blanket arguements, but try to placate you by saying he issnt saying all truck drivers and not saying you personally.

I have seen as many opeople drive insanely in clown cars as I have in trucks. it is drivers in general who are geting worse, regardles of vehicle. There are a few of us good drivers here and there. By the way I still have not seen him document the gas milage of the trucks he is talking about. Some small and mid size trucks are comparable to cars, so his argument holds no water.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 156 (view)
 
Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/15/2008 1:04:16 PM
^^^^Your profile says you are quite liberal. I am talking in general of not just this thread but the bashing that goes on out there in the world as well. It gets old and wears on a person. As I said too everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am tired of people in general **stardizing the hard work my daughter has done for OUR country, and they reap the benefits from it...they also bash her and insult her for being there. She has been to IRAQ 3 times now.She wouldn't be there if she thought someone had lied her into it. Shes brave smart and very capable. She came home last time and was spit on by a radical liberal in the airport!! I am well aware you would probably not do this but there are those who do. They have no facts to back up anything they blather. If you have read the whole post..notice there are some liberals, Dems ect. lying and shoving things down peoples throats. I didn't mean you personally and I am all for a bi-partisan fare as you call it. Shake hands? Your profile was fun..bohemian huh



I agree with most of this. I will say that just as I alighn my self asa bohimian, does not say that I am not a libertarian ( which is some what more conservative that the Lftist views of the common democrat, and definatly not as far right as facists or the Conservative moderate fdems). I dop concider my self quite liberal on most subjects as I feel change is important to growth; however, most of my voting uissuies and support on some topics like gun control, hate speach and what ever) go more towards the conservative side. So though I am liberal in some aspects of my life, I am not liberal in the sence of socialism, social programing and other issues financially that the liberals support. ( i.e. tax and spend behaviour). On fincial issues I would probaly more of a fiscal republican though I do not support the republicans other platform of hate.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Great Day in the History of Freedom.
Posted: 6/14/2008 3:59:38 PM

You are kidding right??
Pelosi knows that she may very well be the next President if Obama/fill in the blank gets elected.She is just biding her time.


And that would be a scary thought...Sometimes the enemy of your enemies is alsso your enemy...not your friend.

As a native Californian, I have watched her over the years ascend to power, and I do not like her policies and feel she would make a horrible president and I do not think she is a good senator.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 295 (view)
 
Calif. Supreme Court rejects gay marriage ban......
Posted: 6/14/2008 3:55:31 PM

Would not a civil union and all other legal recourse not suffice? If in doubt why not have everything held jointly in name? You can't take away something from someone if it is jointly owned.


Firstly I would like to say thank you for the points that you made on this and that your response was well versed and was not an attack.

Secondly The reason that civil union does not work is ther are no laws in existance to make the IRS or most lawyers accept them in divorce or probate situations. Families can still swoop down and take the inheritance, the partner is devoid of the same rights durring a divorce if they make signifigantly less than the ex, they could be finacially ruined by the divorce. Untill there are laws on the books that will make lawyers and the IRS respect the civil union as they respecct a marige then the only recorce is to legalize gay marriage.

I realize that on a fundamental level, you think that it is wrong for tow peopkl of the same sex to even date, and that is your right to have that opinion. However, despite your opinion that homosexualty is wrong, that infringing on someones right , " to be sinful" isnt that wrong.

Doesnt it go against free will. Something that the bible teaches that we must respect, the free will of others?
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 151 (view)
 
Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/13/2008 6:36:33 PM
^^^ I never said you bashed any one and I was not playing spin jocky at all. However, you just bashed me to make your point.

I do not have a problem with you suporting your daughter. You are entitled to your opinions. However, I do not see this thread as liberals lying and shoving facts down peoples throats. You do not have to back up oinions, but if you have facts to the contray to share with us to make this a more "bipartisan" fare, then be my guest.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 293 (view)
 
Calif. Supreme Court rejects gay marriage ban......
Posted: 6/13/2008 6:25:39 PM

Marriage is about more than to obtain property and wealth. It was about reproduction to perpetuate human existance as well. With the term marriage being biblicial in the sense of reproduction I would think that excludes same sex marriage as they can not possibly impregnate one another.


Sorry you lost the argument there. I am an Athiesist and do not beleive in god. Inorder for you to prove he exists would be off topic. Furthermore, god has no place in thuis discussion. This is an issue of law's of the state, and From what I remeber in civics and government classes was that there was seperation between church and state.

Also unmaried people reproduce.... and what about artificial insemination? marriae or being straight does not stop reproduction.


I am not saying two people that love one another should be denied a union if they choose, but if you can't reproduce what is the point to marriage?


^^^Welll read above. people who are gay can reproduce thru artificial insemination. Furthermore what about people who mary who are infertile. Are you saying that a woman with no ovum should not be able to marry the man of her dreams. I'm sorry but if you romantically love someone enough that marrie is a nessity, it don't matter if you reproduce or not. Also tell all the single straight and lesbian moms to stop bringing kids into the world while your at it..


Most ancient societies needed a secure environment for the perpetuation of the species,a system of rules to handle the granting of property rights, and the protection of bloodlines. The institution of marriage handled these needs. For instance, ancient Hebrew law required a man to become the husband of a deceased brother's widow.


As I said before the only need for tracing a blood line is to establish who owns what after two marry and aFTER ONE DIES.



another view
Why did God create sex and marriage? Let's consider the reasons.

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Nope let's not talk about your imaginary friend and how he created everything. There are atheists, budhists, hindus, muslims, wicca, etc, none believe in the same god and it is offf topic. Unless you can come up with proof he exists (or that other gods exist) and not with the bible, then maybe your answers will have merrit.


The first purpose

Perhaps the most obvious of God's purposes for sex and marriage is for the reproduction of the human species. Notice the first statement in the Bible about God's creation of man: "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Genesis 1:27, emphasis added throughout).

The statement that God created them male and female is the first reference to human sexuality. God created the sexes; it wasn't an evolutionary accident. (If you'd like to read proof that God exists and Darwinian evolution is but a modern-day myth, be sure to request the free booklets Life's Ultimate Question: Does God Exist? and Creation or Evolution: Does It Really Matter What You Believe?)

Next we read: "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it ...'" (verse 28). The statement that men and women are to reproduce is part of the blessing that God pronounces in this verse.

and this,

History of Marriage
The word marriage may be taken to denote the action, contract, formality, or ceremony by which the conjugal union is formed or the union itself as an enduring condition. In this article we deal for the most part with marriage as a condition, and with its moral and social aspects. It is usually defined as the legitimate union between husband and wife. "Legitimate" indicates the sanction of some kind of law, natural, evangelical, or civil, while the phrase, "husband and wife", implies mutual rights of sexual intercourse, life in common, and an enduring union. The last two characters distinguish marriage, respectively, from concubinage and fornication. The definition, however, is broad enough to comprehend polygamous and polyandrous unions when they are permitted by the civil law; for in such relationships there are as many marriages as there are individuals of the numerically larger sex. Whether promiscuity, the condition in which all the men of a group maintain relations and live indiscriminately with all the women, can be properly called marriage, may well be doubted. In such a relation cohabitation and domestic life are devoid of that exclusiveness which is commonly associated with the idea of conjugal union.



Marriage in all it's splender was started as a way for two families to combine wealth and double their property. In the dark ages only those who had titles were alowed to wed. Serfs and slaves and common folk could not.

it wasnt until elizabethan times annd the advent of privacy that romance was a reason to wed, and it was fround upon.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 286 (view)
 
Calif. Supreme Court rejects gay marriage ban......
Posted: 6/12/2008 11:39:18 PM
^^^No. I do not blindly aplaude being forced to live by rules I did not vote for. However, this is not an issue of something being forced down your throat. it is about civil liberties only. Since you and I for that matter are not GAY, then how does it effect us in any way shape or form. it doesnt. All this is is that gays get the same financial rights as stright couples. The governor and the Judges had to overturn the ban. The ban in and of itself was unconstitutional. The fact that they had to have a vote on it and would allow straights and bigoted ones at that to be involved 2 years ago was sickining to say the least. It should have never had to vcome to a vote. I do not carre if you are a christian and against people being gay..or at least having their rights being truncated, but that is your opinion. The constitution and the bill of rights says it quite clear. "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"".
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You are not being told to accept gay marriage, all that is being done is that gays can marry. Simple as that.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 148 (view)
 
Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/12/2008 11:18:13 PM
^^^I am about as far from being a liberal as you;however, I do not see it as BS and I think you are grosely misinformed. When other republicans, and libertarians harp against Bush, you know that it is no longer "LIBERAL BS" it becaomes and issue common good.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 284 (view)
 
Calif. Supreme Court rejects gay marriage ban......
Posted: 6/12/2008 11:14:32 PM

This forcing thing these governors have done.......very very bad thing for ALL citizens when a governor actually has the experience of when HE wants what the majority of the general public does not want and HE gets what he wants. How much farther will he go with this new experience? What else shall he FORCE on the general populace whether they want it or not??? He is now a DICTATOR and any pro-homosexual marriage supporter who supports the FORCED laws of these governors is now FACTUALLY supporting a DICTATORSHIP to it's full definition and that is what the USA is not suppose to be about.
Fighting in the legal system, getting more and more of the populace to agree for homosexual marriage rights is one thing. But to actually support the actions of a DICTATOR concerning this matter???? Stupid is, stupid does.


That is the stupidest thing I have had read all day. So you are telling me that I am now forced rto accept gay marraige Actually I have always been for it and it is not an afrtont to me or any thinking person.)

it is offensive to me that you think that the rights of gays to marry is something forced down your thraot and that it will lead to other things. No it wont.

First off, there is no sanctity of marriage since the divorce rate is now closing in on 65%

Most gay and Lasbian couples have been to gether at least as long as the average straight couple and even longer.

Civil unions are not and will never be the same as marraige. Marraige has nothing to do with the church despite marriage ceramonies. Marriage was not about romance either, it was about ataining property and wealth.

if two people are in love and choose to marry, that is there business, regardles of sexual orientation. It is not a special right forced on you...I do not see anyone asking you to marry a man? It is about equal rights. It is in your constitution and the bill of rights ,buddy.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Depleted Uranium : A Death By Slow Burn-How America Nukes Its Own Troops
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:55:08 PM
^^^I agree trblmkr. Bush,Cheny, his administration and the generals and oficers who utilize such a sick uses of DU should all be hekld accountable. It is sad that they give a black eye to the majority of Americans who just want our troops home and pray for peace.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Political Bloggers on the Payroll
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:49:58 PM
^^ Paying bloggers is different than paying and 'un'"BIASED" journalist. Bloggers already are pasionate about their party, the news that supports theeir party. A journalist is supossed to be completly unbiased and tell it like it is. Stay away from fluff peices and such.
Bl9oggers are like pundits and are supposed to have a bias to the party, but also can diagree with some of the parties leanings or the officials of that party. That is why they are getting paid. ( or rather should be geting paid).
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 2 (view)
 
According to many of the world's top scientists, the answer is yes
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:45:59 PM
^^^ This may seem weird but this is totally on topic.

I have made some adjustments in my life. I gave up eating corn and stoped driniiking whyskey so that more of that could go towards ethenol use. I know it seems silly and the whyskey is already made , but the way I see it we all need to make steps and sacrifices towards a betterworld no matter how small and trivial that change may seem. I intend to be totally solar and wind powared by 2010. Furthermore I intend to have a biodiesel vehicle with a high mpg ratio. These are not changes I can make today but I am making the inroads possible every chance I get. I recycle, I reuse.
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I think we need to look into bio deisel and Etehenol as a step towards getting off oil all together. Also look at the potential for fuel to be made from refuse already in our dumps, and land fills.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Great Day in the History of Freedom.
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:37:29 PM
^^ I both agree and disagree with that. I think it is a catch 22 . People like me that would like to see the dems win the white house are more than a little upset though that the one thing we want is Justice..and that is not happening. The longer he is in office the more clear it is he should not have gotten it in the first place. Just my opinion.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Political Bloggers on the Payroll
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:34:33 PM
^^Nipolian.. The problem I have with this arguement is that you are asuming there are but "TWO " parties to choose from. There is the constitutional party, the green party, the peach and freedom party, the American Independent party ( not to be confused with the Independent party, the libertarians and I am sure that someone might want to concider reforming the Bull mosse party or the WHIG party. Oh and there is the socialist party and the american communist party, and the the North american nationalist party ( a neo nazi party) Need I go on. I by the way am a Libertarian.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Great Day in the History of Freedom.
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:30:38 PM
^^As awsome as it was to see Denniss Kucinich Stand proud and brave...I hate that the dems are refusing to even put impeachment on the table. I think Nancy Palosi is in bed with Bush now for not standing by the principles. No man is more deserving of impeacment than Bush; however, her not even wanting to try and impeach him just shows you how much a joke our "TWO PARTY" political system truly is.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Great Day in the History of Freedom.
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:23:29 PM
^^^ Yes that is true;however, this time it seems as though he cant even reach for some unplausible excuse let alone misuse and mispronounce ten dollar words in order to try and look smarter.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Political Bloggers on the Payroll
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:20:48 PM
Wouldn't it be pertinent for all political parties to hire out side bloggers as aposed to just one party? What party are you talking about? Give some info and some links. Also How do I sign up to get hired on by my party?

I think it is in the best interest for all parties to concider hiring political bloggers.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Great Day in the History of Freedom.
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:11:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpsOkoDn9q8

G.W.B.'s reaction to this dicision as seen here is damning in my opinion. Looks as if the scounderals is a a loss for words.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
What do you think of the Tomato Ban ?
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:43:33 PM
What about Pizza and pasta places. Many people will not frequent if they have to settle for pesto and alfredo'
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Can Bill O' Reily do any thing besides picking on poor little girls?
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:13:34 PM
kalamazooger with all due respect you are way off topic.

The issue at hand is not weather Jesus was a Liberal icon or a conservative one. ( and by the way your rhetoric goes against the seperation of church and state) The issue is that Of all political pundits and infotainment celebes, that Bill O'Reiley is one of the most dangerous and one of the most biased and hypocritical. I mean come on to attack a kid and to completly take out of context the words that were uttered by her. To not even debate her parents and the artists to defend them selves, and to have only people who agree with him on the subject? Wow, I know he is suposed to be merly an entertainer and all, but there are a lot of ignorant people that watch him thinking that he is the only truth. There are people that wont even watch hanity and colmbs thinking it is biased towards the "LEFT" Wow! conservatives that are biased top the right not being bisased enough to sutit those that claim Bill O'Reily is actually non biased, tells it like it is, "RIGHT" down the middle. That is why he is dangerous.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 242 (view)
 
Calif. Supreme Court rejects gay marriage ban......
Posted: 6/8/2008 11:46:59 PM
^^^ Sorry but Lawyers and the IRS do not recognize civil unions so no..your argument holds no water.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 16 (view)
 
prepare
Posted: 6/8/2008 11:45:01 PM
lol too funny

you would die for your country then why arent u armed and assassinating the criminals you are enthralled to . since as you say its all there fault


It takes a nation that is fed up, it's intellectualls and its police and national guard and judas prudence, to start a revolution in this day and age. oNE MAN CAN NOT DO IT ALONE. it takes a nation of millions to bring that dream to fruition.



your upset because id enjoy watching a nation of parasites that have profitted off the genocides of countries spanning over 1oo yrs, finally get there comeuppance?


\News Flash, we are not the only despotic country and there are other countries that have done far worse. I do not aree with Viet nam or manifest Destiny, or even the Iraq quagmire our administration put us in, but as a whole the majority of our country is not bad or evil. We want the same things as everyone . It is the decadent Minority I am against, And that is why I am upset. You would like to see the innocent suffer yet you and I both know that the rich will get off scott free.



im sure there are decent non war pig american people and those i feel sorry for seeing as they are in the same rotten apple barrel as the criminal majority



Yes I am one of ythose you'd feel sorry for . However, like I said above, the war mongers and the profiteers are the ones that will get away with this or die . The Innocent majority will suffer...I am sure that you will feel sorry for the Single mom you will have mowing your lawn to pay her enough for PB &J's for her kids so they do not starve to death..is that what you call sympathy and empathy?


just like there are war pig canadians as well,hopefully they move south tho to get close to the big bonfire of established law and morality that is going on down there
Then why aren't you doing something about them, using the same logic you used for me? Huh?


you lost respect for me? and this affects me ...........not at all. im not here to cuddle,
Neither am I. However, I did have respect for you even when we had our disagreement in the past, and even more so since we are usually on the same page, you and I. it just amazes me that you can be filled with so much hate yet claim to be above hate.



your crap about what the usa was founded on is as blind as your faith in degenerate leadership


You lost me and your argument here. Just because a few bad apples hijacked our nation does not mean the founding principles are wrong. I have no faith in anything but ME. I am of the belife you have to prove and earn trust..and I have not tusted the government for sometime.

I do not say that you blindly follow your socialist, damned near comunist leaders agendas thru and thru now...do I?


what exactly is it you are doing to keep " your " country afloat
i highly doubt you are rich enough to even be considered a pimple on the american ass,


It is not the dollar that makes the worth of the man. What it is you ask? I tell it like it is, how I see it and I do what ever part I can to make my world a better place? What do you do to make your country better? You seem to be more into feathering your own nest than helping out your fellow man, I mean wanting to be on the sidelines watching a another country fall instead of helping them. let's just say that I am not part of the problem, there for I am am part of the solution.


we all know full well that if your rich you habve a say in things
otherwise you need to be on a grassy knoll


I do not think the loan gunmanship or mob rule is what is need hear, just for those repsonsable for the treason of our nation ( i.e Multi-national corperations and The current administration) to be held accountable for their actions.


for you to even think you had any part of " electing" anyone in the usa is just asinine


First off You are actually quite right , but not for the "conspiritous reasons you might be thinking right now.

It has to do with the apathy of the non voter. We have had low turn outs for years because of people thinking their vote wont count.Well your vote wont count if you do not vote. The funny thing is that if the majority of eligible voters actully showed up and voted it would be a counting night mare.

The reason for this apathy of thinking the vote wont count has to do with tew0o things. The Media and The Electoral college. Two things that need to be reformed.


democracy is as it always has been. a farce a sham, a tool of the rich to keep the poor sucking at the slavery tit while they further manipulate circumstances in their own favor


^^^Read my above statement...Oh and From what you are saying then I assume you do not vote then? Oh and by the way there are other things vesides elected officials to vote for? Like Propositions and bills and other legislative issues. Pluss what about the local and state ( or in your case provincial) elections ( those are not under contro l of this global conspiarcy you seem to believe in.


if anyoen brings up some plot or ideas of random occurances which somehow make a pattern , they are labelled and dismissed


Not all the time. It depends on how much non- circumstantial evidents you find that isn't heresay. Also depends on how coherent you are.



in th meantime ill sit back and watch for the yanky youth death squads which will soon be appearing on american streets


With statements like this coming from you I wish there was such a thing but it was marching on your soil
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do you think they will wear the same outfits as their nazi predecessors?
you think your defending a peace of historicalpaper, well your president wiped his ass with your historical documents and continues to every day


yes he does and Yet still That will not change the fact that those rulls are written in stone and will be upheld again when he is gone.



whats next for ya all , now obama and that pretender clintons old skanky wife who got paid off by drug companies in order to drop the concept of free healthcare for the poor


Not that I care but I think they will do a much better job than our current corupt gov. and if they don't..Let's say our nation wuill turn from baby eagles to packs of wolves toot sweet.



i dont think your vote is worth the lead used off the pencil down there

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And I do not think yours is ether..So what you going to do about it. Elect another socialist to replace the last one?



i was however gifted with a money making idea . american flag toilet paper, we could sell it on ebay and ship it to iraquis, wed be millionaires overnight


I am all for it but only if I can sell one of the Maple flag to the brits!
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 64 (view)
 
support our troops? but they are terrorists.
Posted: 6/8/2008 11:00:55 PM

I appreciate the moderators input. I said nothing disprespectful to any of you, but got called an ahole and worse. You have to learn to not be personal in these threads. Specific quote;
At least I am not this ***hole...
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I am sorry that you took it personal, I was not intending to flame , but what you had said was inflamitory and I used it to reiterate what I had said was not the same thing. The problem with this thread is that it is a touchy subject and it is going to rise some ire. I stated to Lynne that her anger was misdirected in hopes that maybe others would stop brow beating her cause for the most part, she was right on. She was just picking on the wrong faction...solders following orders. Instead, she should have focussed on the administration that caused it all to happen in the first place. I am sorry if I used use as an example and you took it personal, However when you write inflamatory statements ait can haunt you.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 52 (view)
 
support our troops? but they are terrorists.
Posted: 6/8/2008 7:09:31 PM

IF YOU HAVEN'T SERVED IN THE MILITARY TO DEFEND YOUR OWN LAND, THEN EITHER LEAVE OR QUIT BASHING OUR GOVERNMENT!!! YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE HERE......



She has every right to say what she wants to because she is an American. I only told her She was misdirecting her rage. You should have the respect to realize that people died and killed for this freedom for you to attack her long before you wore a uniform and that freedom alows her to bash our military as much as it gives me the right to bash you.


Lynne

As a veterean of 20 years of military service, I respect your freedom to express your opinion, just remember where that freedom came from, your freedom of espression exists because of the service of military membere past and present, I dont like this war but while they are there, respect what they do for YOU!!!!
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You and I agree .
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
 
prepare
Posted: 6/8/2008 6:59:45 PM
^^^^Any respect I had for you is now officially gone...except for the one little flame war we had on a thread that was deleated, I agreed with much of your thoughts and felt no need to strengthen your arguments. However, You are talking about my country A country I will kill for . A country I will die for . Despite the fact that I can not claim that you made a threat, I can honestly say that you wish to profit off of our demise. Im sorryI'd rather exploit you oif you try to exploit me. The USA was founded on principles that yours wasnt. Yes our elected officials have stryed oiff corse and we have idiots rulling this land. I for one am no idiot. I for one am not trying to take over foreign lands, and as there is a breath in my body I will do my part to keepmy nation afloat.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 81 (view)
 
PickUp Trucks run Empty
Posted: 6/8/2008 6:47:26 PM

..and again, I agree with the OP about huge gas guzzling trucks and SUV's being rather silly(esp now with the prices at the pump) - I was just wondering where the his seemingly "nazi" mentality came from, because that's how I(and many other people, I'm sure) percieve it.


The only problem with taking the SUV's aways are the socor moms. I am not talking about the fakes, I am talking about the ones that takje their kids and friends kids to socorro practice and such. Without them many kids would never get to play sports or learn music. For those few they need to still have those vehicles.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 48 (view)
 
support our troops? but they are terrorists.
Posted: 6/8/2008 6:41:56 PM

The OP is absurd. And even if the US are terrorists, it takes one to kill one.

I for one;

a. celebrate the hanging of Saddam Hussein
b. dance with joy and the bombing of his cretin murderin sons
c. feel elated when we surround Iran with warships and spit in the face of the Mullahs
d. feel happy childhood bliss when I see an AK47 toting Hamas dead in the street
e. reel with excitement when I saw the bulldozing of Jenin
f. chortle with anticipation and lick my lips when I see another Taliban go under

The whole middle Eastern Muslim kingdoms are a mess. Takes a good garbage man to go in and clean them out.


Lynne13 I amy have argued against you but only cause your anger is misdirected at our boys and gils fighting this war overseas who desperately need to come home...At least I am not this ***hole...
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 47 (view)
 
support our troops? but they are terrorists.
Posted: 6/8/2008 6:37:45 PM
^^^^Lynne Lynne Lynne13 why?

As much as I usually support you on most of your threads I have to say this is a complete wash. As much as I am against this war I am for those that fight for our country ( cause you never know when you will actually need them.)

What do you want to do with these terroists? Hang them, publically humiliate them as in Veitnam? Cage them and water board them? What on ewarth do you want to do with these troops? Before you go on and attack me about how they must be held accountable like the Nazi's who merly followed orders, that wont fly here. They are not doing anything against te geeva conventions conduct for besides being sent in ( which they would be traitors if they did not go) and invade a soveriegn nation, stay in after he was deposed, stayed in even when they prommissed to leave after the elections...etc.. They are not the criminals here. Bush, Cheny, Rice, Rumsfeld...these are the ones that should receive the punnishment aloowed for the indctment of the troops.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Can Bill O' Reily do any thing besides picking on poor little girls?
Posted: 6/7/2008 6:08:01 PM
Wow. I never used hate talk so to speak. Using the word hate does not equate the same thing. and nor did I name call. I said that he kissed the christian's ass. which is what he does.

There is no name calling there. As for him attacking the right...I have seen this but he does not go after them with the same vigor and as an admitted Christian, he goes after atheists with a zeal far worse than me uttering the word hate and having it being taken way out of context.

I have watched him and he is very biased to wards the right. If he merely disagrees with a conservative it is concidered the same as him attacking the left? I do not see how the two coincide.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Can Bill O' Reily do any thing besides picking on poor little girls?
Posted: 6/7/2008 5:34:21 PM
^^^I did not lose nor did i concede the argument. You obviously did not read the context of the words I used. So I will reiterate. Bill only kisses the buts of the moral majority rather than keep an open mind to the left. rather than admit he is wrong he throws tantrums and tells guest to shut up or interrupts them. Also I see that you liken your style of debate to Bill O'Reily's by automatically telling me that I lost the argument rather than actually answer my point. If you think that I was attacking you, then you lost the argument by side stepping me and not answering my challenge. Do you believe that Bill only caters to the right? That he refuses to debate those he knows are his intellectual superiors?
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Can Bill O' Reily do any thing besides picking on poor little girls?
Posted: 6/7/2008 1:22:57 PM
l
ol...do you work for MSNBC or CNN?


No! Do you work for FOx? Or are you Bill O'Reily incarnate?


Ever wonder why Bill O'Reilly has such high ratings?
No Not really. I think if I was a Sensationalist and only catered to the moral majority I'd have much higher ratings than I get. However I have integrety, something Bill O'reil Lacks.


...watch him sometime and then you can see how misleading this thread is.
I have watched him since the late 80's on Inside Edition when he was doing fluff peices. I know his work quite well thank you. He panderes and kisses the Christian Ass, and wont even Debate people that he knows he will lose against. he is not the most intelligent of hosts either. As much as I hate the far right I'd rather watch Hanity and Colms than Bill O'Reily. At least they aren't afraid to have an open debate with anyone. Bill even backed down from a High Schooler who actully came prepared with data and transcripts and Bill only had his heresay Data. Biased I might add.

I think Bill misleads more humans than this thread did. This thread is misleading how? I think it tells the truth. It shows A very bitter man who is incapable of fighting real battles, who is bigoyted and closed minded.

He said that the parents and this band abused this child ( if anything it was mere exploitation and the kid is no worse for ware. ) I would rather see a kid be raised by An Atheist family unit and exposed to an atheist veiw of the world than to be Indoctrinated by the cult of christianity, LDS, muslim, Judism, or any faith based dogma that has no basis in science. Wehter or not the kid in the video knew what she was saying or not. It was healthier than the treatment of kids in the Doc JESUS CAMP.


What do you expect us to do watch Chris Matthews on MSNBC and see The obama thrill run down his leg?
No I do not expect you to watch him either...But Now we know your true colors Nefarious.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Can Bill O' Reily do any thing besides picking on poor little girls?
Posted: 6/7/2008 12:43:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8x14cLGh5o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daF-8xAGybk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTOffYj5TxU&watch_response
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Tghis all started in November or 2006 when the band and Performance art group The **stard Fairies and their documentary crew filmed an 8 year old girl spouting Anti- Bill O'Reily and Pro Atheist jargin ( which was scripted.

It took Bill a year and a month to respond and attack this girl, her parents and the band without benifit of interveiws and debates with said parent and said band. He was very foul about this and very miopic. The thing he needs to learn is Empathy, the very thing that the girl says needs to be taught to children rather than religeon. I agree!
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/7/2008 1:40:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttbCqRNSmYI\
The senate should really read this book then.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 52 (view)
 
PickUp Trucks run Empty
Posted: 6/7/2008 1:37:44 AM
W
OW, people get mighty testy if you call their bluff on why they bought a PickUp.
Okay, I'll back up my observations with data from the best in the business for surveys

Scientific survey from POLK - Polk Center for Automotive Studies

a.) Pickup truck owners use their trucks for personal use about 80% of the time.
b.) On a daily basis pickups are mostly used for commuting
c.) 60% of Light Pickup owners “Never” tow anything
d.) On average, pickup owners are 50 years old
---More Medium Pickup owners are 25-34, while more Light Pickup owners are 75 or older
e.) only 9% of Heavy Pickup owners have a farmer/agricultural occupation

http://www.edf.org/documents/4873_PickupSurveyReport.pdf

If your offended because you feel I picked on you somehow, get over it already.
It's my opinion, I put it in writing, and you're free to disagree. In fact I encourage it.
As long as everyone sticks to the topic of Why their Truck Bed is Empty , all is well

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I have a few things I disagree with here.

1) you make no mention or distintion between the gas milage of the differing sizes of pick ups compared to the differing sizes of cars.

2) Neither did the POLK study (or you convieniently left it out)
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3) am I to believe then that because I do not own a pick up truck but own a car that usually only conveys me and sometimes a date or a friend or my bass and my amp, that I can not defend someones right to drive whatever they feel like?

Most people I know ( i.e my parents, my buddy etc.) Own trucks with great gas milage. Most trucks do not come with a towing package so your towingf issue and the POLK studdidy's Towing issue is a wash at best. If someone has a truck it is because they want to have the versatility in one vehicle ratehr than own 2 or 3 vehicles. \

Pick ups arent the problem. Here is my thinking. You talk a good game but do you put your money where your mouth is. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU TAKE WITH YOU WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR WATER EXCURSIONS? HOW FAR DO YOU DRIVE TO THESE? Until you move to a lake or an ocean and Fill your car up with buddies too cheap to own a car..Get off the forums and quit whining about who drives what!
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 158 (view)
 
Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 6/7/2008 1:19:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttbCqRNSmYI

This link is about Vincint Bugliosi and his book about GWB> This is what he should be prosecuted for.
 norseviking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 39 (view)
 
PickUp Trucks run Empty
Posted: 6/6/2008 12:34:35 PM
SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who cares! Get a life and stop judging people on what they drive and start focusing on WTF you are driving right now.
 
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