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Thread: Because...
Fear is the little death
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Msg:
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Because...
Posted:
7/29/2007 6:34:52 AM
Curlz...
you Know where it is at.
As a man and human I support your veiws. You are a true feminist. so am I.
Nosveratu
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FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE THEIR NORTHERN NEIGHBOURS
Posted:
4/19/2007 5:45:09 PM
Dear OP,
AH yes, Canada.
So humble, so noble, so dam selfless.
Don't get me wrong! As the lesser of many evils, I LOVE this country. Born and raised baby.
The thing that gets me is that SOOOoo many of us Canadians have forgotten some very important atrocities from our not so glorious past. There are a few big ones, but this one takes the cake.
Dose anyone remember the good ole' "RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS"???
No eh? Not surprised. This little stain might mar our oh so pleasant international identity. To refresh your memory "Residential Schools" were the concerted effort of the Canadian Government and the Christian Church, during this great nations formative years, to systemically eradicate the identity and collective will of the First Nations Populations of the day. Basically an ENTIRE generation of native children were extracted from their tribes and forced into church run, government supported, reprogramming facilities. There parents and grandparents were shoved onto reserves, Loaded up with alcohol and aloud to fizzle out.
What happened behind the walls of these residential schools is one for the books. Infact it's in the books! If you spoke your language you were beaten, if you tried to express any of your native identity you were beaten. General abuse rampant. These children had there heads shaved. Not to mention, the new facts coming out from survivors that a sweeping campaign of child molestation was underway (Naw, the Church would never do that). This messed up institution with the support of the federal government had effectively broken an entire people and committed a legendary act of CULTURAL GENOCIDE.
Cultural Genocide. Think about it. Thats a hell of a feat. It is our history and we are reaping today what our for fathers have sewn not so long ago. The tragic dysfunction of First Nations Society today, is a DIRECT result of those residential schools and the racist agenda of the Canadian government.
We must remember our true past. We must learn from it. Now more than ever. We are a quietly racist country who expounds an image of tolerance and inclusiveness. Words and ideas are a start but until our daily lives reflect them our national identity is just a facade.
PS In the words of an ancient jedi master " Wars do not make one great"
nosveratu
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Ladies, do you prefer bald or with hair?
Posted:
7/17/2006 7:45:40 PM
Well fella's,
It looks like our shaven (and/or naturally lean) heads are aesthetically validated.
Go team!
nosveratu
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Astrology, Science and the distinct possibility that we may not know it all
Posted:
4/13/2006 12:49:33 PM
You ever get the feeling that the person you were trying to communicate with was simply waiting for there turn to talk?
astrology, ESP, Sasquatch, UFOs, all bunk
bunk bunk bunk bunk..........bunk bunk...infiinite repeats
You would think a 46 year old Engineering Technologist would have a more intelligent debunking argument.
nosveratu
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Astrology, Science and the distinct possibility that we may not know it all
Posted:
4/13/2006 4:53:30 AM
I would not consider my self a subscriber of astrology, metaphysics, paraphcycology and the like. I take a bit of a fence sitting "show me" type of approach to these matters.
Blindly following anything is not a wise coarse. There will always be charlitans no matter what the subject. Western science is ripe with lies and convenient conclusions. The agenda of the day, it would seem, dictates the flow of information and the context it is presented in. It is very possible that amazing discoveries have been suppressed or altered in order to maintain the status quo or to serve those in power. We by no means live in an egalitarian society. A logical, imperical mind should be able to digest these notions. This alone should provide gaps and fisures in our concrete conceptions of what we know we know.
Humanity is in a constant state of evolution. Agreed? We are not at some pinnical state. Modern science is in an astounding state of exponential growth. Is it not possible that concepts and beliefs held in suspicion today may become part of the diatribe tomorrow? Was fire not once magic? Was the world at one time not flat?
Astrology is quite an ancient practise. When a system persists for such a very long time, there is likely a reason. Agreed? Some would say because it does indeed produce results. Not unlike herbalism, acupressure & acupuncture, vedic medicine. All of which produce sound, imperical results, yet are not recoginized by western science. They endure for good reason. It does not seem logical that such a complex system as astrology would persist so long for merely reasons of escapism and entertainment. Others may say...
Its like what Marx said about religion.. it keeps the masses idiotic and happy... less people rioting and protesting..
I am not shure Regnis's paraphrasing of Marx's commentary on religion is entirely accurate. I would venture to say that Marx was likely more concerned with ORGANISED Religion's capacity to pacify and control a populace with its suppossed divine hierachy and FEAR based belif system. This dosen't apply at all to astrology which seems to permote personal growth and serves to empower the individual.
As long as I'm quoting our resident nay say'er I can't let this one slide.
[
quote]Its a faith system, like scientology.
First off, Scientology was created some fifty years ago by a very crappy Sci-fi writer named Elrond Hubberd, aleggedly on a dare by his peers. It is pyramid scheme with levels of power which benifit monitarily from each rung below it. It prays on rich people for a reason. They are prone to flattery and they got cake. Understand this Regnis, reasearch it, so you can comment accuratley. This is a cult.
Astrology can be free if you want to invest the time. There is no divine leader or heirarchy. It does not garantee anyone a place in heaven. It is entirely unfair and inaccurate to compare Organised religion to Astrology.
It is a natural human tendancy to pervert and use any and all things for selfish purposes. Astrology is not immune to this. A critical, yet open minded approach to concepts is indispenseable.
One thing I find amusing is how the rigid minds always accuse the open ones of being weak and escaping in flights of fancy. It would seem to me that the "rigids" are the ones hiding from vast and scary possibilites that we have a firm grasp of, and know only a sliver of the vast infintiy that surrounds and permeates us. If I didn't follow logical thinking I too would hide in a little box and close my eyes and ears to anything that interfeerd with my "that is that and this is this". If you look around you'll notice that those on the bleeding edge of science are becoming more and more spritiual(not to be confused with religious). Quantom phyicists are tripping right the **** out. Stephen Hawking is conviced that there is definatly some kind of undeniable divine order.
"The game of science is, in principal, without end.
He who decides one day that scientific statements
do not call for further test,
and that they can be regarded as finally verified,
retires from the game."
-- Karl Popper
Rupert Sheldrake wrote a book called simply "The Sence Of Being Stared At". It details his Labratory controlled experiments that empirically, to the highest clinical standards proves that there is such a thing as a sixth sence. Bergudgingly western minds have been raising eye brows. The data is indisputeable yet resistance is strong. A pure example of illogical resistance to concepts that breach the box.
Getting back to the heart of the matter, I stumbled upon a facinating book wich relates directly to the debate that has emerged on this thread. It was writen by a scientist who set out to once and for all scientifically disprove astrology. He became a believer.
The book is simply called "The Scientific Basis of Astrology" by Dr. Percy Seymour (1997) Astronomer/Astrophysicist Plymouth University, UK. It is a book of pure science and scientific theory.
This is his approach...
"I am a scientist. As such I cannot propose or understand a model of reality which does not take account of scientific data. I am not an astrologer - in fact this theory developed out of an examination of the arguments that astrology cannot work! As a theoretical astrophysicist, with an interest in the relationship between fundamental physics and the large-scale structure of the universe, I am searching, as are many others, for a model to explain the current anomalies and paradoxes in these areas that are beyond the domain of astrophysics (ie: biology, chemistry, and to my amazement, astrology.)"
Here is a brief over veiw of his theory...
"There is evidence, largely ignored, that positions and movements of planets as seen from the sun, play a major role in the solar cycle. Furthermore, there is some evidence - highly controversial but difficult to dismiss - that some positions of the planets as seen from Earth at time of birth and linked to personality characteristics of individuals. [Gauquelin]
This evidence exists. What my theory does is to prepare an interpretation, based on this evidence, which can be scientifically tested. Very briefly the steps are:
(1) Planets effect the solar cycle in specific ways. (2) The solar cycle effects the geomagnetic field. (3) The geomagnetic field affects life on Earth in certain observed ways. (4) Specifically, many species, including man, can be influenced by particular states of the geomagnetic field. (5) The particular influences appear to correlate with the planetary positions. (6) I propose that the behavior of the fetus at the time of birth is linked to the cycles within the geomagnetic field, which in turn are influenced by the solar cycle and positions of the planets. Resonance is the phenomenon by which the fetus is phase locked to specific cycles"
I hope I didn't drone on to long. I'll admit it was a bit of a rant. I'm just a thinker who's decided to set aside his human arrogance and follow true logic. Please feel free to hack my up ideas. I 'd rather evolve than revolve.
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