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liverchick

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Women using men Posted: 6/30/2006 6:32:42 AM
Ohhh RLM a women could never use a man for his intellect.

liverchick

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Shoes...how many is too many? Posted: 6/29/2006 9:32:08 AM
"Anything else is unnecessary extravagance" and your point is............................

liverchick

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Flowers :- A question primarily for the Ladies Posted: 6/29/2006 9:03:25 AM
Whey Hey a double post- has buffy surfaced yet????

liverchick

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Flowers :- A question primarily for the Ladies Posted: 6/29/2006 9:02:56 AM
A cactus would be ideal_requires v.little effort, doesn't need constand fluid intake, when presented corrrectly can be v. stylish, doean't need feeding, thrives in the sun, and quite unexpectadly rewards with a stunning display of flowers - Cactus-yes please. Oh and as this is a sexist thread, it should immediately be withdrawn.

liverchick

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have your say what do you think Posted: 6/27/2006 5:03:32 AM
i think this deserves a u.k. audience, originally posted by Montreal Guy- it gives some indication what the forces are up against. "Here's an insider's look, from the American Embassy in Iraq, at life there. It seems to have been written, or at least approved, by the american ambassador there. Dr. Zalmay Khalilzad was nominated Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the United States of America to Iraq by President Bush on April 5, 2005. Dr. Khalilzad was sworn in on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 in Baghdad and presented his credentials to President Talabani the same day. http://baghdad.usembassy.gov/iraq/ambassador.html Zalmay Khalilzad, the most senior Pashtun-American and highest-ranking Muslim to serve in the Bush administration,became the U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan in November 2003. He headed the Bush-Cheney transition team for the Defense Department in 2000 and has been a Counselor to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld. He is a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the January 26, 1998, PNAC Letter sent to President William Jefferson Clinton. Mr. Khalilzad, a protégé of Vice President****Cheney and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz since long before Mr. Bush took office, served as a senior director on the president's national security council staff during the early years of Mr. Bush's first term." http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Zalmay_Khalilzad The author was not known. All cables from U.S. embassies to the State Department are sent under the ambassador's name, but there was no indication that the top U.S. diplomat in Baghdad, Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, had written the document. It was first published on June 19th by The Washington Post. A PDF copy of the cable shows that it was sent to the SecState in Washington, D.C. from "AMEmbassy Baghdad" on June 12. 2006. The typed name at the very bottom is Khalilzad -- the name of the U.S. Ambassador, though it is not known if this means he wrote the memo or merely approved it. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690071 It's a confidential memo to Condi Rice,and I doubt that just anyone is writing her from the embassy there. The Ugly Truth About Everyday Life in Baghdad (by the US Ambassador) by Zalmay Khalilzad CONFIDENTIAL MEMO FROM: US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, Baghdad TO: Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State SUBJECT: SNAPSHOTS FROM THE OFFICE SENSITIVE Published: 20 June 2006 1. Iraqi staff in the Public Affairs sector have complained that Islamist and Militia groups have been negatively affecting daily routine. Harassment over proper dress and habits is increasingly persuasive. They also report power cuts and fuel prices have diminished their quality of life. Women's Rights 2. Two of our three female employees report stepped up harassment beginning in mid-May. One, a Shia who favors Western clothing, was advised by an unknown woman in her Baghdad neighborhood to wear a veil and not to drive her own car. She said some groups are pushing women to cover even their face, a step not taken in Iran even at its most conservative. 3. Another, a Sunni, said people in her neighbourhood are harassing women and telling them to cover up and stop using cell phones. She said the taxi driver who brings her every day to the green zone has told her he cannot let her ride unless she wears a headcover. A female in the PAS cultural section is now wearing a full abaya after receiving direct threats. 4. The women say they cannot identify the groups pressuring them. The cautions come from other women, sometimes from men who could be Sunni or Shia, but appear conservative. Some ministries, notably the Sadrist controlled Ministry of Transportation, have been forcing females to wear the hijab at work. Dress Code For All? 5. Staff members have reported it is now dangerous for men to wear shorts in public; they no longer allow their children to play outside in shorts. People who wear jeans in public have come under attack. Evictions 6. One colleague beseeched us to help a neighbor who was uprooted in May from her home of 30 years, on the pretense of application of some long-disused law. The woman, who is a Fayli Kurd, says she has nowhere to go, but the courts give them no recourse to this new assertion of power. Such uprootings may be response by new Shia government authorities to similar actions against Arabs by Kurds in other parts of Iraq. (NOTE: An Arab newspaper editor told us he is preparing an extensive survey of ethnic cleansing, which he said is taking place in almost every Iraqi province, as political parties and their militias are seemingly engaged in tit-for-tat reprisals all over Iraq.) Power Cuts and Fuel Shortages a Drain on Society 7. Temperatures in Baghdad have already reached 115 degrees. Employees all confirm that, by the last week of May, they were getting one hour of power for every six hours without. By early June, the situation had improved slightly. In Hal al-Shaab, power has recently improved from one in six to one in three hours. Other staff report similar variances. Central Baghdad neighborhood Bab al-Nu'atham has had no city power for over a month. Areas near hospitals, political party headquarters, and the green zone have the best supply. One staff member reported a friend lives in a building that houses the new minister; within 24 hours of his appointment, her building had city power 24 hours a day. 8. All employees supplement city power with service contracted with neighborhood generator hookups that they pay for monthly. One employee pays 7500 Iraqi dinars (ID) per ampere to get 10 amperes per month (75,000 ID = $50/month). For this, her family gets eight hours of power per day, with service ending at 2am. 9. Fuel queues. One employee told us that he had spent 12 hours on his day off waiting to get gas. Another staff member confirmed that shortages were so dire, prices on the black market in much of Baghdad were now above 1,000 ID per liter (the official, subsidized price is 250 ID) Kidnappings, and Threats of Worse 10. One employee informed us that his brother-in-law had been kidnapped. The man was eventually released but this caused enormous emotional distress to his family. One employee, a Sunni Kurd, received an indirect threat on her life in April. She took extended leave, and by May, relocated abroad with her family. Security Forces Mistrusted 11. In April, employees began reporting a change in demeanor of guards at the green zone checkpoints. They seemed to be militia-like in some cases seemingly taunting. One employee asked us to get her some press credentials because the guards held her embassy badge up and proclaimed loudly to passers-by "Embassy" as she entered. Such information is a death sentence if heard by the wrong people. Supervising Staff At High Risk 12. Employees all share a common tale: of nine employees in March, only four had family members who knew they worked at the embassy. Iraqi colleagues who are called after hours often speak in Arabic as an indication they cannot speak openly in English. 13. We cannot call employees in on weekends or holidays without blowing their "cover." A Sunni Arab female employee tells us family pressures and the inability to share details of her employment is very tough; she told her family she was in Jordon when we sent her on training to the US. Mounting criticism of the US at home among family members also makes her life difficult. She told us in mid-June that most of her family believes the US - which is widely perceived as fully controlling the country and tolerating the malaise - is punishing the population as Saddam did (but with Sunnis and very poor Shia now at the bottom of the list). Otherwise, she says, the allocation of power and security would not be so arbitrary. 14. Some of our staff do not take home their American cell phones, as it makes them a target. They use code names for friends and colleagues and contacts entered into Iraq cell phones. For at least six months, we have not been able to use any local staff for translation at on-camera press events. 15. We have begun shredding documents that show local staff surnames. In March, a few members approached us to ask what provisions would we make for them if we evacuate. Sectarian Tensions Within Families 16. Ethnic and sectarian faultlines are becoming part of the daily media fare in the country. One Shia employee told us in late May that she can no longer watch TV news with her mother, who is Sunni, because her mother blamed all the government failings on the fact that Shia are in charge. Many of the employee's family left Iraq years ago. This month, another sister is departing for Egypt, as she imagines the future here is too bleak. Frayed Nerves and Mistrust 17. Against this backdrop of frayed social networks, tension, and moodiness have risen. A Sunni Arab female apparently insulted a Shia female by criticizing her overly liberal dress. One colleague told us he feels " defeated" by circumstances, citing the example of being unable to help his two-year-old son who has asthma and cannot sleep in the stifling heat. 18. Another employee tells us life outside the Green Zone has become " emotionally draining." He claims to attend a funeral "every evening." He, like other local employees, is financially responsible for his immediate and extended families. He revealed that "the burden of responsibility; new stress coming from social circles who increasingly disapprove of the coalition presence, and everyday threats weigh very heavily." Staying Straight with Neighborhood Governments and the 'Alama' 19. Staff say they daily assess how to move safely in public. Often, if they must travel outside their neighborhoods, they adopt the clothing, language, and traits of the area. Moving inconspicuously in Sadr City requires Shia dress and a particular lingo. 20 Since Samarra, Baghdadis have honed survival skills. Vocabulary has shifted. Our staff - and our contacts - have become adept in modifying behavior to avoid "Alasas," informants who keep an eye out for " outsiders" in neighborhoods. The Alasa mentality is becoming entrenched as Iraqi security forces fail to gain public confidence. 21. Staff report security and services are being rerouted through "local providers" whose affiliations are vague. Those who are admonishing citizens on their dress are not well known either. Personal safety depends on good relations with "neighborhood" governments, who barricade streets and ward off outsiders. People no longer trust most neighbors. 22. A resident of Shia/Christian Karrada district told us "outsiders" have moved in and control the mukhtars. Comment 23. Although our staff retain a professional demeanor, strains are apparent. We see their personal fears are reinforcing divisive sectarian or ethnic channels. Employees are apprehensive enough that we fear they may exaggerate developments or steer us towards news that comports with their own world view. Objectivity, civility, and logic that make for a functional workplace may falter if social pressures outside the Green Zone don't abate. (This is an edited version of the memo) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0620-01.htm Since this is a breaking news story, I'd like to see the veracity of this memo verified by independant sources. Based on the sources publishing it, it seems to have some authenticity."

liverchick

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Circumcision in the uk Posted: 6/24/2006 5:13:37 AM
" I dont think it makes a difference either... I have had Both!!! " At the same time??????????? o/t a dik is a dik

liverchick

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a question 4 all you men out there Posted: 6/24/2006 5:06:14 AM
RLM-use your spade to smash-up his sound system, that usually works. o/t 1-5.....yup

liverchick

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Checking it out Posted: 6/24/2006 12:58:37 AM
Nice buns chorlton.....you liddle tart you:

liverchick

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If you could leave with just the clothes on your back...... Posted: 6/23/2006 10:49:29 PM
J.Matser wherever in the world you go..you will always have your own jacuzzi.........

liverchick

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Bald v shaven heads - and is bald beautiful? Posted: 6/23/2006 9:24:45 AM
Hey....there....georgie....girl............. Noooooooooooooooo.................................someone make it stop o/t dont give a ff, as long as he is my guy....

liverchick

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Anybody Up For A Challenge Posted: 6/23/2006 8:50:06 AM
Charlton...Methinks this is......This thing called Lurve.

liverchick

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Summer's gone winter's in your eyes Posted: 6/23/2006 8:30:28 AM
Amen to that tinaleo- Dont bring me Down...Laaarrrrsonnnnnn.............make it stop

liverchick

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Anybody Up For A Challenge Posted: 6/23/2006 8:27:44 AM
How long...is this..Gonna last....My Friend??? Its a bad bad sign...Cant stop this thing we've started. its become an ...Albatross...Free Me... Bye Bye Baby .

liverchick

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'Girl' or 'Woman'? Posted: 6/23/2006 7:55:13 AM
In Liverpool, Girl is a term of endearment, like honey, or love,or darling etc.....so although i am definately all women, i have got used to peeps calling me girl-as in What you having there girl, You o.k.girl I'll.. catch you later girl etc. etc. and : Hey Girl dont bother me Larse- when i get my hands on you..............: this is getting like tourrettes syndrome

liverchick

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'Nice Guy' syndrome Posted: 6/23/2006 7:42:55 AM
some people bring out the best in others- and some people just bring out the worst:

liverchick

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Cat or Dog, what would I rather be? Posted: 6/23/2006 5:59:57 AM
I aint nothin' but a hound dog............

liverchick

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Eroticism Posted: 6/23/2006 5:57:33 AM
dont forget buffy's hussiness,.without it she is an....unfinished symphony....boom boom

liverchick

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'Nice Guy' syndrome Posted: 6/23/2006 5:40:50 AM
Hey guy.......Dont get Hung up..

liverchick

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Eroticism Posted: 6/23/2006 5:38:08 AM
Like it or not....someone may be watchin' through the .window pane

liverchick

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Better with your clothes on or off? Posted: 6/23/2006 5:32:49 AM
Larse Express yourself........and surrender....you can always Blame it on the Moon 2-10..........2-10 ....................................2-10..............................2-10...................... cha chukka cha chukka cha cha cha..................... la lelllleeeee la la......................................mmm..nnn..............

liverchick

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Better with your clothes on or off? Posted: 6/23/2006 5:23:23 AM
I like to feel..like a natural woooomann.............

liverchick

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Better with your clothes on or off? Posted: 6/23/2006 5:18:58 AM
Larse: Awww ... Whatever it takes,....bet you felt the ..... Wind of Change.......... as a.... Free Bird....

liverchick

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Eroticism Posted: 6/22/2006 2:44:18 PM
"However it is a DATING site.. Not a PORNOGRAPHY site!!" if you consider what goes down on this forum as pornographic you have led a very sheltered life, and there is often (......well sometimes.........) reasoned intelligent debate on specific subjects. oi buffy who you calling a hussy

liverchick

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When A Woman Says NO. Posted: 6/22/2006 9:51:47 AM
Mike: what part of NO dont you understand

liverchick

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Are we not civilised Posted: 6/22/2006 3:47:21 AM
As much as i enjoy the insightful and intelligent contributions, to the deep philosophical questions of the day...... Larse please dont get too serious i just the way you are-and thankyou for the lamp- i can see clearly now

liverchick

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When was the last Posted: 6/21/2006 3:51:52 PM
but was it the last millenium ' that thought has really depressed me---again

liverchick

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Is Love Dead? Posted: 6/21/2006 3:43:09 PM
think for the local necrophiliacs love is indeed dead

liverchick

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You Got Male!! Posted: 6/21/2006 3:32:02 PM
Brazen, saucy. impudent..........like I said old English word to describe women who enjoy being women. dont think we do immoral in 2006 two..........................................in......................................................ten two..............................................in...................................................ten two in ten.........................................................................................

liverchick

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You Got Male!! Posted: 6/21/2006 3:17:22 PM
"what's a hussy" think its an old english word to describe a women who enjoys being a women.

liverchick

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You Got Male!! Posted: 6/21/2006 3:10:16 PM
oh right never thought of that, just presumed oi gary less of the old.....and the hussy title was discussed in an earlier forum-GG and Buffy know there is no offence given and none has been taken just bringing you up to speed old chap Can English women be hussies??? yet again i am shocked.

liverchick

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You Got Male!! Posted: 6/21/2006 2:59:10 PM
"How come I don't see that bit anymore. Have I been banned from voting on it or something" its because you are a welsh hussy and as such have no right to vote on anything ....ever.... obviously this includes that other hussy..........

liverchick

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You Got Male!! Posted: 6/21/2006 2:33:29 PM
thats funny, but sad cos one day it will be true- but still funny w.t.f. who is trying to delete the thread................and whats obvious.............cos it aint obvious to me

liverchick

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The Longest Day Of The Year!! Posted: 6/21/2006 12:21:36 PM
"I have been awake for about 30 something hours " And yet still you have to post on pof........i.know...i.know...addictive

liverchick

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Losing control Posted: 6/21/2006 10:44:41 AM
As a parent (i have the mental scars to prove it) Whilst they are a child......NOOOOO...when they are an adult, they will assert themselves upto you as the parent to make the distinction. Hate it when you see 2 year old having a tantrum in the supermarket and the adult is trying to reason with the child......ohhh ffs...just walk away

liverchick

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sign up for the blackpool meet Posted: 6/21/2006 10:26:39 AM
Chorlton: we still o.k. travelling up together?- we will discuss the room situation privately

liverchick

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Top Of The Pops. Posted: 6/21/2006 10:13:37 AM
GG totally off thread.......like the pants:

liverchick

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What Women Want Posted: 6/21/2006 10:11:40 AM
RLM: oh go for the swifty- hopefully she will turn up early and know that you are a..........

liverchick

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how many years betweeen a couple constitutes an age differnce? Posted: 6/21/2006 9:52:07 AM
sheeeshhh...peeps. i asked how many YEARS constitutes an age difference, not sub-atomic particles, seconds or even minutes: though heartening to see a general agreement that its not important to so many..yeah...pof peeps rock note to self:in future take no notice of what gary says: now about that tasty little piece of fresh meat...ooops sorry wrong thread

liverchick

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The Great British Seaside Resort Posted: 6/21/2006 8:53:47 AM
niiiiice one willow

liverchick

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how many years betweeen a couple constitutes an age differnce? Posted: 6/21/2006 8:44:09 AM
Techno yep-thats the answer i was looking for: it really is irrelevant as 2 (or even 3..or 4 whatever rocks your boat..)peeps who are comfortable with each other has nothing to do with the numbers. Is it only other peeps who consider age differences. hi 5 bro

liverchick

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how many years betweeen a couple constitutes an age differnce? Posted: 6/21/2006 8:20:02 AM
Techno....how many YEARS: pphhhwww.....did you not read the thread- i was v.v. specific, as per garys instructions.

liverchick

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Top Of The Pops. Posted: 6/21/2006 8:17:11 AM
surprised it took so long for pans people to pop up- confession, i wanted to be a pans person-when i grew up, sadly it was not to be..........yet again...sighhhh....

liverchick

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Top Of The Pops. Posted: 6/21/2006 7:23:41 AM
Absolutely, Definitely and without a doubt-George Micheal singing "I'm Your Man" got up in them thar' leathers oh...yummmmeee.yumeee yumyummmmm..... 'course that was before he jumped out of the closet, and turned into a stoner-are the two connected???......sighhhh.

liverchick

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Sweeping statements Posted: 6/21/2006 6:36:50 AM
Msg 10 EH. the middle of what??????, Larse you only keep an eye on the welsh coz they parade around showing themselves off..brazen hussies, its shocking and shouldn't be allowed-in fact i am so incensed i am going to write the the welsh parliament about it....... oh yeah that's right would be a waste of ink, cos they cant actually do anything.......

liverchick

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how many years betweeen a couple constitutes an age differnce? Posted: 6/21/2006 6:27:02 AM
RDM fine...but you haven'tanswered my query, how many years older/younger than you does she have to be, for you to figure there is an "age difference"???

liverchick

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Is Love Dead? Posted: 6/21/2006 6:23:50 AM
Awww. thats lovely MIke, i hope it happens for me someday my prince will come . Love is not dead-marriage taking a bit of a battering tho'

liverchick

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men in uniform Posted: 6/21/2006 6:12:59 AM
helping you to cross to the other side perhaps??? nb the thread title is MEN in uniform- Oh do keep up man

liverchick

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how many years betweeen a couple constitutes an age differnce? Posted: 6/21/2006 6:10:33 AM
see gary i do listen. There have been a few threads with age differnce at their core-it set me thinking-how many years between a couple does it take before the numbers matter? personally if someone is 5-6 years older/younger i dont think of it. 10 years maybe we will not have the same frames of reference re world events, experience etc But surely it takes at least 15-20 years between ages to have an impact on perceptions, discuss............ p.s. if i get sacked can i sue pof for distracting me-my boss has noted my diligent use of the computer lately, told him the research is going well: p.p.s this is not a trawl for a 25 year old male.........

liverchick

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Idiots guide to Football / Soccer Posted: 6/21/2006 5:46:37 AM
so after all the blood sweat and tears, after males at the peak of physical perfection battle it out under the heat of a blazing sun, to the howls of anguish and the screams of delight.............they...toss a coin.????? At least a shoot out surely

liverchick

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Is Love Dead? Posted: 6/21/2006 4:47:33 AM
love is a concept, and means different things to people, there is a mothers love for her child/ren, Love for parents, Love for our friends, some peeps feel love for animals..feel free to add your own examples. Love is the word we give to an emotional state, there can be harm done in its name, and peeps have been known to confuse lust for love (tho' absooolutely nothing wrong with bit of lustful love). Research has shown that peeps who define themselves in Love- as in the first stages of a pairing, have chemical changes taking place, which are v. similar to a state of madness. So i dont think love will ever die, unless we come upwith another term for that state of madness- so make love not war i say

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