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UFC can not compare itself to boxing. Posted: 8/10/2007 12:48:51 PM
ummmm $50k? dude that's what the prelim fighters make...randy couture made $250k for his fight agianst liddell a couple years ago and got a portion of the ppv so his revenue was all in all is close to a million made at least that.....most likely more for his title defense.....these guys aren't poor...it's just an up and coming sport which is just starting to make big money....and takes away longevity? dude do you even do martial arts?? randy is in his mid 40's...better shape than a lot of boxers out there, my sensei is 47 and just won silver at a grappling tournament with over 2000 competitors....randy just beat a man who is 6'8" and has repeatedly proven himself against boxers.....ya it is sad that sean sherk roided...but so what...there's been at least two incidents in boxing this year where heavyweights have tested positive for roids....it's like any sport talking about kermit cintron....he's not only a straight boxer....he used to be a state champion wrestler...if he trained seriously for an mma fight for 6 months he'd be good....still wouldn't win against a champ...but he'd still be great.....by that token though cintron wouldn't be a boxer any more...he'd be an mma fighter with a boxing background same with any boxer that came into mma....they would no longer be a boxer....and when you talk about poor boxing skills....it's usually not straight boxing they practice...it's thai boxing...different hand positions/technique makes it easier to set up kicks and knees...plus different technique since the gloves are only 4 ounces....dude i don't mind that you don't like mixed martial arts but you just need to know facts before you throw out wild accusations

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UFC and Mix Martial Arts Posted: 8/10/2007 12:30:04 PM
sherk's level of banned substance wasn't even that bad....it wasn't even over twice the legal limit.....royce gracie used the exact same stuff and had about 10 times the legal limit.....hermes franca also got busted with sherk but he used roids for a severe injury that wouldn't have let him fight if he didn't take it...i think he said that he needed the money from the sherk fight to pay bills and fees that got way over his head and if he didn't fight he'd literally have no money...not saying its right but it's a tough choice to make in franca's situation....not a tough choice for everyone else...just don't do it

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MMA, IFL : Chris Horadecki Posted: 8/2/2007 3:31:00 PM
hmm my bad....thought he was 9-1 for some reason

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UFC and Mix Martial Arts Posted: 8/2/2007 3:29:29 PM
cintron can't fight sherk anymore....sherk's suspended for a year and lost the belt because he tested positive for a banned substance plus boxers never do well in mma or kickboxing...lol this one k1 fight i was watching this really respected pro boxer got pwned by a mediocre kickboxer...the muay thai guy just kicked his leg hardcore till he couldn't walk anymore....never even got punched once....plus cintron has an all-state wrestling background so it;s not really a straight boxer versus mixed martial artist

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UFC can not compare itself to boxing. Posted: 8/2/2007 3:18:47 PM
there's so much trash talking bullshit about how a boxer would beat up a guy in mma. i give respect for boxers...i am a fan but from doing both boxing and mma there is such a slim chance that a boxer would win against a mixed martial artist. boxing is only limited to one style: punching....and ya they definatley do have way better hands than any mma competitor out there. that being said, thats all a boxer has...put him in a ring against a well rounded martial artist and he will get reamed....first of all there's kick defense...boxing stance is bunk to protect from a leg kick...a boxer would never get in close enough to be able to land a punch before his leg is taken out from a muay thai kick...or a liver shot from a front kick....then theres take down defense....obviously a boxer has none and can't defend himself from a wrestler...look at the fight between Ali and Inoki....originally it was to be a no holds barred fight....but ali watched Inoki wrestle and knew he couldn't stand a chance against him so he changed the rules to striking only. Inoki only shot in with leg kicks so he wouldn't get punched. Ali only threw 6 punches...and even though it was a "worked fight", Ali left without a press conference and suffered damage to his legs as a result of Inoki's repeated leg kicks. Boxers like Oscar DelaHoya and Roy Jones Junior are even advocates of mma stating that they would be ruined by a mixed martial artist. Boxer's are not versed in submissions either and would tap at the thought of an armbar, omaplata, or rear naked choke. For all of you who think that mma has a bunch of quitters because they tap and don't finish fight like boxers do...it's different circumstances: if you are caught in a submission your arm/leg/spine can become so damaged if you do not tap, you can lose mobility forever and there goes your career. MMA may seem barbaric and not have as much noble history as boxing, but we clearly see mma being held at the anciet greece olympic along side boxing. It was a form of free fighting called pankration, where the only rules were no biting, fish hooking or eye gouging...much like mma today. The fight would be won by submissions/chokes/fist strikes causing knockouts. It is the 2500 year old predecessor to modern mixed martial arts competition. modern mma does not allow standing counts as boxing does...repeated standups can lead to brain damage as you see with many boxers, and as soon as someone is struck and can no longer defend themselves mma referees stop the fight before risking brain damage. For those of you who think kicking is for pussies, a proper kick generates more power than a punch....longer limb, more leverage from using larger muscle groups, and stronger bones in the leg leads to less injury than a punch and therefore kicks are able to be performed over and over without the risk of breaking a hand. And yes....many fighters do break they're hands in mma and DO finsish the fight like a champ...middleweight champion rich frankling broke his hand in the first round during a title defense and went 4 more 5 minute rounds before winning the fight, plus it's easier to do so as the gloves only weigh 4 ounces. i'm not trying to rag on boxing...i love boxing and always will, but please have knowledge and consideration before commenting on mixed martial arts...what i feel as someone who has done some boxing and is currently a mixed martial artist is a lack of respect for martial arts...it's like if someone came on this forum and said that they thought tyson was the greatest boxer around and could take ali and is still the current champ.....ignorence and arrogance....it goes hand in hand heres a list for those who contest the skill level in mma Olympic and World Competetors in MMA. Kevin Jackson NCAA National Champion in Wrestling Matt Lindland Olympic Silver Medalist in Wrestling Eldari Kurtanidze Olympic Bronze Medalist in Wrestling Hidehiko Yoshida Olympic Gold Medalist in Judo Rulon Gardner Olympic Gold Medalist in Wrestling Karam Ibrahim Olympic Gold Medalist in Wrestling Naoya Ogawa Olympic Silver Medalist in Judo Pawel Nastula Olympic Gold Medalist in Judo Yoshihiro Akiyama Olympic Gold Medalist in Judo Dan Henderson Olympic Alternate in Wrestling Josh Koschek 4X All American NCAA Wrestler/Undefeated Nat. Champion Randy Couture Olympic Alternate Greco Roman Wrestler Mark Coleman Olympic Wrestler Matt Hamill Double Gold Medalist Deaf Olympic Champion Wrestler Min Soo Kim Olympic Silver Medalist Judo Karo Parisyan 3rd ranking Judo in world Mark Schultz Olympic Gold Medalist Wrestler

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MMA, IFL : Chris Horadecki Posted: 8/2/2007 2:55:05 PM
ya hora's pretty sick....pretty sure he's not undefeated now....but still awesome....he's from london eh? i think he was part of team tompkins

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