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Does God intervene in human affairs? Posted: 2/25/2007 4:27:50 PM
I think the best you can get for an answer is opinions. For those who already believe God does intervene and prayer is the way for this to happen will find the 'evidence' to support their beliefs and those who don't believe will also find the 'evidence' to support their beliefs.... but it has been interesting to read the opinions. It would seem that belief is what's more likely to influence what and how you perceive the outcome of your prayers to be. Pretty hard to prove definitively either way. I've also found it interesting to see that most people seem to consider that prayer is ALWAYS asking FOR something....... or influencing events to have the outcome we determine to be best. And that's on both sides of the issue; those who don't believe as well as those who do. I haven't read anything regarding prayers of gratitude or prayers for accepting and understanding without needing things to be different from how they are. My experience with prayer of this nature does give a perception of God intervening and feeling a sense of peace with a bigger picture. That doesn't prove anything, but that's my comment on the initial questions. Peace......... out........

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dating your step sister Posted: 1/14/2007 8:13:39 PM
What two consenting adults choose to do is there own business as long as they don't hurt anyone else or break any laws..... and hell, half the laws on the books shouldn't be there anyway. lol And first, going out together is no big thing, but it would seem you sense something more could be coming up.... either in yourself or you sense something from her..... which would be why you're wondering about it all. I'd suggest just treading carefully. Not because of any moral issue, (since there's no blood relation,) but like many have said, you may both be in emotionally vulnerable places in your lives. Family relationships have life long implications which can make things quite different than a 'fling' or normal 'break-up' with someone you would never have to see again, would be. And hey....... wish her a happy birthday from me.

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How long does it take for you to “size up” someone? How often are you wrong? Posted: 1/14/2007 4:15:58 PM
I generally "size up" people right away, BUT.... I keep in mind that it's an initial impression and that I'm not going on much input, so I also know that keeping an open mind will work best over time. I also am pretty open to being friendly with almost anyone but that doesn't mean that almost anyone is a good match for a more committed relationship, so to 'decide' if someone could become a relationship can take a lot longer. So even if my initial assessment is pretty on target, it's too limited to judge a person on, and I think it's important to keep an open mind to a bigger picture.

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Going back to the Ex!!!! Posted: 1/14/2007 3:46:15 PM
So much does depend on the details like many have said, have the issues that initially broke you apart been dealt with? It actually doesn't sound like it in this case, because if you doubt it will work any better, then it probably won't. It is possible if both really want it to and are willing to work on the relationship but if either aren't ready or willing, then why even bother? Good luck either way

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How old is too old to still be living with your parents? Would you date someone that still did? Posted: 12/16/2006 8:32:56 PM
Bear catcher said - I cant help but laugh at this thread and what some shallow ppl think LMFAO! Im gonna switch things around a bit, lets say I live with my parents. lets say their filthy stinkin rich. lets say I live in a 12 bedroom house with a big ass pool. lets say I could walk around the estate and never run into my parents. now is it such a big deal that I live at home? Ya thats what I though....*as the gold digger line up to move in with my parents HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think the living situation is a big deal anyway but you make a valid point, and I'd rather line up to meet the bear you caught than to live with your parents ..... lol ..... maybe I could get another bear kiss. Maybe my priorities are screwed up

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How old is too old to still be living with your parents? Would you date someone that still did? Posted: 12/16/2006 7:47:48 PM
I'm going with those who consider the individual circumstances and think the question is a little too broad to give a simple answer to. Hell I first lived on my own at 16 and going to college, but have moved back home with my Dad or with my Mom at several different times in my life since then. My Dad has since passed away but I would live with my Mom if there was some reason that would be helpful for either of us...... My decision would be based way more on who and what the person was like, not so much on what their living situation was. Of course part of that might be reflected by the situation but I wouldn't decide just on that. If I liked the person and enjoyed their company I wouldn't decide not to date them, just because they lived with one or both parents. Don't most people base their dating decisions on a more complete picture of another person and not just on one or on only a few details? And how can one decide this is someone they'd date or not on only that detail? If a guy was an all around good guy would you really not want to date them only because they lived with a parent? Then, again, if you wouldn't date them for that reason only, it probably wasn't a good match to begin with and everyone still 'wins'.

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Thinking of a deceased lover/boy/girlfriend Posted: 12/16/2006 5:42:39 PM
I haven't personally lost a partner, but have two very dear friends that have. One was my last relationship, and although I had never met his late wife, I did have a few dreams of talking with her and have felt her 'presence' as well. I feel sad for him in a way now, as the woman he now sees, seems to feel threatened by how much he loved his late wife and rather than see that as a 'proof' of how capable he is of loving strongly.... she is jealous of it, and won't let him even mention her, much less have her picture or anything that had been her's around. I think that it's very normal to still have feelings..... if you loved someone, that doesn't just shut off like a faucet. To me, a part of the lost love, lived on in each of my friends. As if they weren't really apart from...... but rather more like they were a part of...... them now.

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enlightened intimacy Posted: 11/29/2006 12:13:54 PM
Interesting thread. I've done this but didn't know there was any official name for it. lol Most times it's remained a friendship situation, as in it's not become a bf/gf relationship, but the friendships were always among the most lasting and meaningful ones.

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Is kissing cheating...? Posted: 11/22/2006 2:31:43 PM
I'm pretty much with what seems the majority..... on this thread...... friendly kiss hello or goodbye..... not cheating...... but ........ Anything done behind your S.O.'s back that you wouldn't do in front of their face..... that's cheating. EVEN if there is no kissing.... no touching...... a secret best friend can be cheating and just as much a betrayal of the relationship. If you have to hide it and would be embarassed or in 'trouble' if it was found out....... it's cheating. If you're not in an exclusive relationship then you might not tell everything and every detail, but once you commit to another person to date or more exclusively, then the rules change and have to be agreed to by both....... I've had both situations.... a husband who never flirted.......... in front of me..... and yet he was a different person when I wasn't around.......... and a bf that flirted his ass off, all the time, considered it part of his job...... he had a bar........ but it didn't matter if I was there or not.... and I knew it would end the same way whether I was there or not...... he'd be coming home with or to me, having done no more than flirting with words and probably giving a hug and or kiss bye to friends. The bf I could trust. He never hid our relationship, nor betrayed it. Can't say as much for the ex. To me, cheating betrays trust plain and simple.

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his past, he got a 13 yr old pregnant... Posted: 11/21/2006 4:45:43 PM
Wow, maybe you should quit seeing him. If it really bothers you that much, personally, I respect his honesty and his being open enough to tell you about it. Yeah mistakes were made, but it's something that happened between a couple of kids.... and not one of us is perfect and without mistakes and poor choices in our lives. I'd be way more concerned with how they get along now.... as in actually how they don't.... than with the poor choices they made back then. Good luck with whatever you both decide......

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Plentyoffish, Now with Flowers. Posted: 11/14/2006 11:48:32 AM
Dear BigFish.... aka Admin....... What a wonderful added touch to an already great site. Thank you. To those who would complain about it...... oh puleeeeease!! If you want to send only virtual flowers to someone.... then just upload a picture of them and include it in an e-mail. Mission accomplished without someone else having to change a whole site for you. Same with a wink.... c'mon, you can find a picture of a wink or take one of yourself winking... then include it with an e-mail..... ( hey, I think maybe I'm gonna have to do that one..... lol ) To those who don't want them....... simply don't accept them. To those who think they're too expensive or are worried about giving out their credit card info, don't send'em. To those who want them available where they live...... 80 countries for now... doesn't sound bad to me. To those men who complain ..... Admin. already pointed out, more men were getting flowers/gifts then women ..... so maybe just re-do your profile (or personality ) so you too will get sent an admiring gift. And as it has already been pointed out in this thread..... it's an option.... not a requirement, and a very thoughtful one offered by this site, IMNSHO. To all the people who've already gotten flowers or one of the other options..... congratulations and I hope you're enjoying the wonderful sentiment of it all...... To all the people who've already sent someone flowers or one of the other options.... what goes around, comes around..... your kindness will come back to you in ways you may never even have imagined. You're held in best regards here, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks and feels that way. Best wishes to you. Oh, and a....... P.S. Page 10 of this thread has the post from the flower people giving a detailed guide about it all, so most questions on where, how, security, etc. can be answered there by just reading their post. Okay.... carry on with lovely flower touch.....

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Pets Posted: 8/24/2006 6:42:42 PM
Ive always wanted a monkey or chimp,althoough they can be pretty violent,Id dress him in overalls and a baseball hat and teach him dirty hand gestures They're not really violent.... they're just not tame-domestic animals. You have to understand their feelings of what is normal.... and communicate with them in ways they understand, AND not just expect them to be furry little people or toys. I always wanted a little monkey as well!! I've got one..... a marmoset, which weighs (full grown) under one pound. Her picture is on with my profile. Her name is Lightning, and she not only was a real 'draw' at the pet shop but she's also went with me to schools and nursing homes and gives me a chance to get on my soapbox about not supporting any wild caught animals that were captured just to sell for pets. She's a doll, but part of how she tells you 'no' is by biting. She's actually my second monkey, my first was a squirel monkey. I always wanted an tame aligator... Name him Elvis, just like on Miami Vice... Too bad you can't tame them, I think they're beautiful, really cute when they are small... I had to respond to this one, because I had an alligator, named Elvis..... and he was on display at the pet shop I owned. You actually can keep them pretty small.... with using their diet and environment, so they are still healthy but don't really grow. this may sound wierd ..... and i guess they wouldn't really be pets but.. i've always wanted to have a wild animal rescue .. that way i could get all kinds of animals.... porcupines, skunks, raccoons, bears, rabbits, foxes, moose, deer, all those wild critters :) i would get to love and raise and nurse them and then watch them go back to the wild :) unless they wanted to stay around and kept coming back then i guess they would be a pet lol Blueroze, I don't know about Canada but it's not that hard to get a permit here in the states to do just that...... wildlife rehabilitation. I got one through our (DNR) Department of Natural Resources..... after learning from an established rehab center..... so now I can and have gotten calls from the sheriff's, or DNR or vets...... and have raised opposums, coons, deer, etc. but to me, one of the neatest was a vixen fox kit ...... who I've seen again since release and also got to see what had to be....... her first litter......... I will warn you though..... it's heartbreaking..... so many don't make it, but the ones that do are sure worth it..... to me. You can write to me if I can help you with any info. Parrots, I always wanted parrots and now i have 100's I was never too big on birds, until my ex got an African grey...... and he was just soooooo cool that I ended up loving birds....especially the big birds... and love c.ockatoos and they seem to love me too, but I can't deal with the amount of dust they give off. But birds are great. Personally I've always wanted a whooly monkey, and loved the idea of having a cheetah too, but ...... I'm happy with the critters I've got, three dogs and the monkey.

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Are pets as important as people? Posted: 8/15/2006 7:33:28 PM
I once broke up with a girl because she kissed her dog in the mouth. Wow, you really wouldn't like me then..... cause I kissed a bear... and it wasn't even mine!! The picture to prove it is with my profile. It's dark 'cause I didn't have a flash but it was taken just this last friday. I'm still getting a kick out of meeting an actual bear that up close and personal. but to answer the original questions.... Are pets as important as people? Why is it we love animals so much? Do some people care more about their pets than their spouse or children? Can you love a pet too much? I think all life is important, pets vs people, I agree with what some others have said, depends on who the person is... and to me, my pets are a part of my family, so it would be like comparing who's more important.... your brother or your sister?? It would be a choice I'd hope to never have to make. I think we love animals so much because we do. They love us too. And probably some people do care more about their animals than their spouse or children. And maybe not really more, they just can show it more and don't worry about pet's hurting their feelings or pets saying things in anger, etc. That 'unconditional love' that many have already mentioned. So it often just so much easier to love their pet, and not still be ticked off about the thoughtless comment from last week. Ya know? And I for one, don't think you can love a pet too much...... although I think you can, not love people enough, which might seem like loving a pet too much by comparison. Native Americans have a saying about "all my relations" and that doesn't just mean family or even people, but all things, people, four footed, winged, everything. I think it makes a good point. Glad I got to put in my two cents on this thread.

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Must have job, car, house...are they after my cash? Posted: 8/2/2006 4:31:39 PM
Must have job, car, house...are they after my cash? ******* Naw, probably just your car and house......

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Why dont women like long haired guys.....or are there any?? Posted: 8/1/2006 7:43:11 PM
Cast another BIG vote for long haired men. A full head of long hair on a man is just so......... ummmm....... well let's just say I am definitely a woman who DOES like it. It will always turn my head and get a second look. BUT... There has to be more to go with it or the look is all it gets. And in the long run, who the man is and what he's about will win over anyone just because they have long hair.

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Internet Dating - Has it destroyed basic decency? Posted: 7/18/2006 7:51:12 AM
I think the anonimity of the Internet has bread some really rude behaviors that otherwise decent folks would find unexceptable in any other social setting. So what gives? Well filosofer, I think you make a good point here but I think the point is the anonimity and not just it being specific to the internet. I think anonimity is what has always allowed some people to be more rude than they would ever be in person and the internet just is a place that people can feel they are being anonymous, so the trait to not have to face the reactions to their behavior is just multiplied by the number of people who are basically interacting in an anonymous way. it is the common courtesies of social interaction that bind us together and make us more than animals, Actually most, if not all, animals do have very specific, "common courtesies of social interaction" amoung themselves and tend to stick to them quite a bit better than we do. As humans we really can't place ourselves on "the higher ground" so to speak....... and sorry but I am an animal lover and just can't let you slip that comment in without commenting myself. I suppose you really can put lipstick on a pig... Oops.... Do you see here in this comment how you are letting yourself practice pretty much the same kind of behavior that you're not happy with..... an insult but given anonymously so it's taken as okay to say? You mentioned a commercial that showed a basic concept of 'paying it forward' and how it impacts people to continue the cycle.... and I'd just like to remind you that rather than let ones self get caught in a cycle of 'paying back' the 'rudeness' that we use that very 'rudeness' to remind ourselves to break that cycle and turn it back to a 'paying it forward' cycle........... because cycles are just that..... something that come around again. After all, there may even be circumstances that we can't possibly know going on in the other persons life...... so we don't have to take it personal. A quote comes to mind....... "...if we could read the secret histories of our enemies, we would find enough pain and suffering to disarm all our hostilities..." I'd like to think that would be a good start to ending some of our global hostilities right about now. Ah, well, I suppose that's another thread......

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Defending Men Posted: 7/14/2006 6:05:15 PM
The next time I decide to compliment a person, I think I'll look up the political correctedness of it all. Oh, please don't. lol I applaud your thread and your compliments. I wouldn't be here if I didn't like men and think they are wonderful. I will admit to telling 'men bashing' jokes.... if they're funny...... but I tell 'women bashing' jokes too....... I'll tell jokes that 'bash' anyone as long as they're funny, 'cause I think laughing at all that stuff we can take so seriously, helps us to let it go and to realize we're all much more alike than we are different. So to all the good men and women here....... I salute ya..... we're not here for a long time so we may as well make it a good time.

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helmet laws Posted: 7/14/2006 5:50:43 PM
I'm gonna second that famous line that someone earlier in this thread quoted - I RIDE, I DECIDE I have a helmet and wear it when I want to, when I feel it's appropriate. I don't want someone else telling me that I always have to wear it. Fortunately Wisconsin doesn't have helmet laws right now. We do have seat belt laws and I don't like those either. As for the person who talked about minors then thinking they should have the right to not wear them.... well they may think that, but traditionally minors are under adult 'control' until they become adults themselves. But once you've become an adult..... I say the choice should be yours. I don't think some people should control what all people do. ( now stepping down off my soapbox, gettin' on my bike, and ridin'..... with no helmet. )

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short hair vs long hair Posted: 7/10/2006 1:43:15 AM
kathlyn1954 I have never read a profile that said the person they want to meet must have long hair but I have read some that wanted slender, muscular, athletic type women. If you can't see past the hair and the weight, then you don't deserve me. LOL..... I thought this was a thread about men's hair...... and I definitely prefer it long AND say so on my profile. It's not an absolute, but sure is my preference. I think we're all allowed to like what we like. So all you women who like men to have short hair, just send the long haired ones my way. But to the person who started the thread...... hey, what you did was really a loving thing to do and if someone doesn't like it.... then they probably really were not a very good match in the first place.

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When do you say you cheated? Posted: 7/9/2006 12:18:06 PM
Count me in on the wait to tell him vote....... but do tell him later. And I agree with the folks here who can't believe that this has been made by some to look like an issue of rape. Puleeeeeease. Yeah, you made some really bad choices...... but don't add to them by trying to blame someone else for them...... ( which I don't see you doing..... especially when you first wrote this thread...... stick to taking your own responsibility, it better serves you in the long run) Nobody's perfect and you've proven to yourself, that you aren't either. Learn from it and it can help you be a better person. Justify it.... use it to give yourself reasons to be 'loose' with the truth...... try to make it someone else's fault..... or maybe just someone making up stories...... and you lose. And when you lose....... stuff seems to come back around to teach you that lesson all over. Now that would really suck, wouldn't it?? If you had to go through all this kind of thing again, just to learn what you're already partially through?? You're almost done with this 'class'.... just pass the exam and you've got the credit. Learn from your mistake, take care of the health issues and probably finding out from both the guy and your friend, what can be pieced together on what really happened ....... like a more complete story....... then accept your part in it as your own responsibility..... and move on with your life. This doesn't define you or your life..... it was a really bad mistake, but we all make mistakes.

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how to be friends with an x Posted: 7/9/2006 11:15:18 AM
they are friends with there ex....NO SUCH THING!!!!!........if i date a girl and she tells me she is still "friends" with an ex.......instant red flag......because I KNOW that guy is calling her at some point asking for sex...whether it be 2am on a sat night when he didnt get any....or just when he is bored.....you know im right ladies, i dont want to hear about all your stories about how great your ex is as a freind...I DONT BELIEVE IT....as the earlier post said, ex's are ex's for a reason, so let me get this, you couldnt get along as a couple , but all of a sudden you are great friends?......SURE!!!! I BELIEVE YOU!!!!! NOT!!!!........ - Eric Believe it or not, on occasion Eric, you just might be wrong....... I'm still friends with my ex.... and was even invited to his wedding...... but ain't no sex happening or ever gonna happen with us again. He's not a bad guy...... but he just couldn't honor a commitment to being faithful. That's why for me he actually makes a much better friend than he did a husband. Now to me...... if it's an uncommitted relationship..... fine..... but if I'm committing.... I'm gonna honor that, and I expect the same from the other person in the relationship. But no one is perfect and that was his biggest 'flaw' ( ok, so flaw might be an understatement, but...lol ) So I guess I'm saying that when I moved on sexually....... then that part of our relationship was 'totally over'...... and it ain't gonna ever be brought back from the dead. And you see, now that I don't have to deal with how he thinks the money should be spent or who he's sleeping with....... being friends is really quite easy to be. I have a lot of friends whose company and/or friendship I can enjoy, but I wouldn't want to live or sleep with. I wouldn't say he's my 'best friend' anymore, but definitely still a friend. It can happen. A little forgiveness of stuff that went wrong goes a long way...... and life's to short to stay mad at anybody..... just my opinion but it works for me.

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Do you believe that there are some Good Men left ? Posted: 7/8/2006 12:54:05 PM
Of course there are "good men" left....... and right for that matter. Defining good as to what it means to you, would help. To one person 'good' might mean 'a good provider'..... and to another, a good joke teller. Someone might consider that being on time is good while another might say good is someone who doesn't drink. To one person good might be someone who calls at work just to say hi, and to another person that might be too much and they'd think it wasn't good. Or good might be someone who only wants to spend time with you.... while to someone else good might be having lots of friends they spend time with too. One wants a stay at home type while another wants someone who wants to take them out all the time. So if you really look and define what you mean as 'good' for you, then you may just be able to better find exactly what you're looking for. And now I'm gonna take my own advice and go update my profile, lol, because I could stand to clarify what I think is good, too.

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lying about your age Posted: 7/1/2006 12:04:03 PM
Well HarleyKat, I admit to lying about my age...... I even admit it in my profile. I generally just won't give a specific, but yeah, that's still lying in a way. It's just my own stuff I suppose....... but I also liked a cousin's answer when asked her weight..... she always said...... "one hundred and too................ much." I guess if the age really matters a lot to someone, then we probably aren't a good match anyway. Funny thing is I DO tend to really value honesty in general and I guess I get around that by admitting I'm not open about it. Not really trying to justify it, just admitting I notice the contradiction. Now I'm wondering ....... if you're honest about lying...... are you dishonest? LOL

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Just Why Do You Girls Love Motorcycles??? Posted: 6/28/2006 12:21:36 PM
I love bikes for mostly the same reason men do....... well except the 'chick magnet' part. Someone who has never rode through the smell of a lilac bush in bloom or fresh mowed grass or hay and found themselves completely submerged in the scent, just can't even imagine. And for those who wondered about bike pictures here..... well for me, it's part of who I am, as are the other pictures I have with my profile.... it's all a part of who I am. Pretty simple...... same with the picture of my marmoset monkey and dogs..... if you don't like dogs, monkeys or bikes..... it doesn't make sense to write to me.....we won't get along all that well because they're part of the package. Remember that saying about a picture being worth a thousand words? I like seeing pictures that give a fuller picture of who someone is....... what their life's about. Hell even if they have a picture with something that isn't their own.... it still shows what they value.

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Is he just not that into you if he says he is being stalked so I can't have his number? Posted: 6/21/2006 6:36:07 AM
Wow!! I'm kinda wondering why this is such a repetitive theme in your life! And you slept with a guy because he said he has cancer?!?! You didnt mention meeting the guy who says he is an international spy and cant always be reached.. Um..By the way, I really have a good deal for you on some ocean front property in Bolivia..... If I cant have his number, then he cant have mine. Simple as that. And I aint no hollah back girl, dont be giving me no pager numbah so he can call me back... Yeah, I wonder too. But having said that, I was mailing and IMing with a guy here and he was cautious about giving his number..... which I thought was fine, since I am too. We continued to talk only here, for a while longer and then when he felt comfortable he did give his number, we met and have become good friends. There's no wife or girlfriend, but there is a child and until you can trust another person to not 'abuse' phone 'privileges' it can just make sense not to take the chance, at least until you know someone better. Who needs the complications? Still the advice to move on isn't bad, because if it's a problem to wait and see...... well then it probably wouldln't be a very good match anyway. I know I didn't sign up here and expect that every person I spoke to, or that spoke to me, would become an instant date or even a friend. Maybe i'm slow, but I think there might be less threads about inside vs. outside and barbie doll / ken 'chasing' daters if more people took a little time getting to actually know who they're talking to, rather than thinking that a picture and profile let's them really know someone.

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