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 Author Thread: Can White Americans REALLY judge what is racist and what is not?
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 104 (view)
 
Can White Americans REALLY judge what is racist and what is not?
Posted: 8/18/2009 9:53:33 PM
OC,
Time's a wastin'.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 25 (view)
 
friend on a suicide mission...
Posted: 8/18/2009 9:26:49 PM
Very sad, but when someone is intent on harming themselves there is very little anyone can do to change the course of events except the person themselves, particularly if you've already suggested alternatives he refuses to consider.
Sounds like he needs help desperately but he's the only one who can help himself by choosing another path.
This likely sounds cruel but the best thing you can do, might be to tell him you're not interested in "going along for the ride" so to speak. It seems there are many addicts (and it sounds like your friend is one) who need to hit bottom before seeking help.
He either will or he won't.
I understand exactly what you're up against as I know someone doing the exact same thing but you can't tell him anything. We have tried everything we can think of to no avail. At some point if you really care about the person, it becomes too painful to stand by and watch. You say, "hey, I love you man, but I can't watch you do this to yourself anymore."
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Is this any way to treat a cat?
Posted: 8/18/2009 9:09:29 PM
I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a big fan of cats but this sounds like cruelty.
"She'll just have him euthanized?" Good God, what is wrong with people!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 101 (view)
 
Can White Americans REALLY judge what is racist and what is not?
Posted: 8/18/2009 9:06:18 PM
Can White Americans REALLY judge what is racist and what is not?
To those who indignantly say yes and indicate they've been the victims of racist remarks/actions, looks like you've got plus or minus 33 years to figure it out...

Whites in the United States will no longer be a majority of the population by 2042, nearly a decade earlier than previous projections, according to US Census Bureau figures.
The figures show that in 2042, whites will be outnumbered by Americans who call themselves Hispanic, black, Asian, American Indian, Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander. Previous projections said this would happen by 2050.
By the mid-century mark, when the United States is projected to have a population of 439 million people, 54 percent of the population will consist of racial minorities.

My fondest hope is that some of you racist arseholes reap what you are sowing when you are in fact in the minority.

Alrighty then, back away from your keyboards and start fvcking like rabbits.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 89 (view)
 
Can White Americans REALLY judge what is racist and what is not?
Posted: 8/17/2009 7:32:51 PM
For anyone with a genuine interest in the subject, I recommend any of the following by Tim Wise:

White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son
Speaking Treason Fluently: Anti-Racist Reflections From an Angry White Male
Between Barack and a Hard Place: Racism and White Denial in the Age of Obama
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Do negative, pessimistic people ever get tired of being like that?
Posted: 8/15/2009 4:48:59 PM
cotter,
Check this out...

The mind "holds the unconscious belief that its resistance, which {we} experience as negativity or unhappiness in some form, will somehow dissolve the undesirable condition. This, of course, is a delusion. The resistance that it creates, the irritation or anger in this case, is far more disturbing than the original cause that it is attempting to dissolve."
"The ego believes that through negativity it can manipulate reality and get what it wants. It believes that through it, it can attract a desirable condition or dissolve an undesirable one. A Course in Miracles rightly points out that, whenever {we} are unhappy, there is the unconscious belief that the unhappiness "buys" {us} what {we} want. If "{we}" - the mind - did not believe that unhappiness works, why would {we} create it? The fact is, of course, that negativity does not work. Instead of attracting a desirable condition, it stops it from arising. Instead of dissolving an undesirable one, it keeps it in place. Its only "useful" function is that it strengthens the ego, and that is why the ego loves it.
Once {we} have identified with some form of negativity, {we} do not want to let go, and on a deeply unconscious level, {we} not want positive change. It would threaten {our} identity as a depressed, angry, or hard-done-by person. {We} will then ignore, deny or sabotage the positive in {our} life. This is a common phenomenon. It is also insane.
Negativity is totally unnatural. It is a psychic pollutant, and there is a deep link between the poisoning and destruction of nature and the vast negativity that has accumulated in the collective human psyche. No other life form on the planet knows negativity, only humans, just as no other life form violates and poisons the Earth that sustains it. Have you ever seen an unhappy flower or a stressed oak tree? Have you come across a depressed dolphin, a frog that has a problem with self-esteem, a cat that cannot relax, or a bird that carries hatred and resentment? The only animals that may occasionally experience something akin to negativity or show signs of neurotic behavior are those that live in close contact with humans and so link into the human mind and its insanity."

from The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle
A fascinating read by the way!
If he's right, and I believe he is, "only a critical limit-situation has the potential to crack the hard shell of the ego and force them into surrender". I believe him because I personally have experienced a critical limit situation and it went down exactly as he described.
Sad but true, some of us need to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the ashes of the old world so a new world can then come into being. The secret is to "resist nothing" and "to be totally present".
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 68 (view)
 
taking God out of School/Government..good/bad?
Posted: 8/13/2009 8:52:22 PM
"The word God has become empty of meaning through thousands of years of misuse. ...people who have never even glimpsed the realm of the sacred, the infinite vastness behind that word, use it with great conviction, as if they knew what they are talking about. Or they argue against it, as if they knew what it is that they are denying. This misuse gives rise to absurd beliefs, assertions, and egoic delusions, such as "My or our God is the only true God, and your God is false," or Nietzsche's famous statement "God is dead."
The word God has become a closed concept. The moment the word is uttered, a mental image is created, no longer, perhaps, of an old man with a white beard, but still a mental representation of someone or something outside you, and, yes, almost inevitably a male someone or something.
Neither God nor Being nor any other word can define or explain the ineffable reality behind the word, so the only important question is whether the word is a help or a hindrance in enabling you to experience That toward which it points. Does it point beyond itself to that transcendental reality, or does it lend itself too easily to becoming no more than an idea in your head that you believe in, a mental idol?"
~Eckhart Tolle from The Power of Now

I couldn't agree more.

Fascinating discussion by the way. I'm pleasantly surprised to find so many who would take God out of schools and the government. Money and organized religion = the roots of much evil.

Teach all or teach none. Allow all or allow none. Way too much favoritism of Christianity in the U.S. in my opinion.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Obama's Daughters
Posted: 8/13/2009 8:17:53 PM
So I guess if it's okay to use the Obama daughters to advertise these healthy school lunches, it's okay to be providing the funds for the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine to as PCRM president Neal Barnard, M.D. says “help all schools, no matter how disadvantaged, to provide vegetables, fruits, and healthy nondairy vegetarian choices, and {to} provide the funding to make that feasible?”

If you support the advertising, you support the goal, correct? If you support the goal, you support the funding, correct? So, you support socialized school lunches?

Discuss.

NEWS RELEASE
Aug. 4, 2009

Girl in Metro Ads Asks: 'President Obama's daughters get healthy school lunches. Why don't I?'

New Campaign Challenges Congress to Reform the Child Nutrition Act

WASHINGTON—A new advertising campaign drawing a sharp comparison between the foods served at the school the president’s children attend and those served at other schools greets congressional staffers traveling through Union Station. As Congress prepares to take up the Child Nutrition Act, an 8-year-old Florida girl featured in the new ads (PDF) points out that “President Obama’s daughters get healthy school lunches” and asks, “Why don’t I?”

The ads, which went up Aug. 3, will be posted throughout the Union Station Metro stop in Washington, D.C. They are sponsored by the nonprofit Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), which wants Congress to reform the Child Nutrition Act to help schools serve more fruits, vegetables, and low-fat vegetarian lunch options.

“At most schools, children have no alternative at all to the meaty, cheesy, high-calorie fare that contributes to childhood obesity and health problems,” says PCRM president Neal Barnard, M.D. “Congress needs to help all schools, no matter how disadvantaged, to provide vegetables, fruits, and healthy nondairy vegetarian choices, and should provide the funding to make that feasible.”

The ads will be on display through August. The House Education and Labor Committee, chaired by Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., will soon take up the Child Nutrition Act, which regulates the National School Lunch Program and other federal nutrition programs.

Jasmine Messiah, the girl pictured in the ads, is sending a letter to her senators, Mel Martinez and Bill Nelson, and her representative, Kendrick Meek, asking them to get more healthy foods in school across the country.

PCRM’s campaign points out that current federal policies push schools to serve high-fat, high-cholesterol foods that contribute to skyrocketing obesity and diabetes rates. Childhood obesity is at an all-time high. One in three young people born in 2000 will develop diabetes at some point in his or her life, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Vegetarian, especially vegan, meals are typically low in fat and calories. Scientific evidence shows that consuming more plant-based foods can help prevent obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Both the American Medical Association and the American Public Health Association have passed resolutions supporting vegetarian options on school lunch menus. However, federal child nutrition legislation still offers no provisions for plant-based meals.

To ask Congress to help schools add more low-fat vegetarian and vegan lunch options, sign PCRM’s petition at HealthySchoolLunches.org.

Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, conducts clinical research, and encourages higher standards for ethics and effectiveness in research.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Hi Tech...U.S. fuel efficiency increased 3 mpg in 80 years
Posted: 8/8/2009 3:23:10 PM
Has there ever been a more ignorant civilization in the history of the world?
I think not!

We are too stupid to know how stupid we are! OMG!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 38 (view)
 
All this pulling of weeds cannot be healthy for lawn
Posted: 8/8/2009 3:21:25 PM

the less convinced I was that the EPA actually protects anyone but the chemical industry.

Yup, that's what happens when money is the only thing that matters!
Same problem over at the FDA and who knows how many other entities that are charged with protecting the "public good".
Americans are oblivious as they worship at the altar of the almighty dollar.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
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Hi Tech...U.S. fuel efficiency increased 3 mpg in 80 years
Posted: 8/8/2009 2:30:27 PM
Hmmm, ya think the auto manufacturers are in bed with the oil companies?
I'd be interested to hear any other explanations.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
teenage condom buying
Posted: 8/7/2009 11:01:08 PM
"against his personal principles"
Geez, I guess he shouldn't be employed by an outlet that sells them, maybe he can get a job at Burger King.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 27 (view)
 
can someone help me with my soon to be hubby
Posted: 8/7/2009 10:47:07 PM
c-r-a-p
double post
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 26 (view)
 
can someone help me with my soon to be hubby
Posted: 8/7/2009 10:46:09 PM
28 responses.
15 or so on topic.
90% of those advise waiting or calling it off (I agree with them), no one suggests moving forward.
So, what are you going to do?
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Government Take over of Fido.............
Posted: 8/7/2009 4:58:19 PM
There's a lobby/lobbyist for everything is their not?
I think it/they should be outlawed, every last one of them.
They're like insurance companies, they contribute nothing worthy and suck up resources that could be better used actually solving problems.
Of course one person's definition of "problem" is different from others so there really is no answer.

What I learned today: There is no answer. I will do well to enjoy what little time I have on this earth and stop pissing and moaning that life and people and politics are not as I think they should be.

'dipiteee, departing to see if there's any ice cream left in the freezer

Carry on.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 64 (view)
 
The Gym Shooter, a right wing conservative?
Posted: 8/7/2009 4:44:21 PM

Yeah, but I don't think Rush Limbaugh has ever dedicated a segment of his show to ranting about why women won't go out with him.

Perhaps if he did, he'd realize it's his own pitiful life he's so unhappy with and not the perceived transgressions of anyone that doesn't agree with his particular brand of insanity.

I suppose we could say the same for Sodini... if he'd taken a few moments to gaze inward instead of blaming everyone else for his problems we might not be posting about him right now. When the student is ready, the teacher arrives.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 314 (view)
 
Does anyone have anything good to say about their EX?
Posted: 8/7/2009 4:36:23 PM
He was funny at times.
He had a great memory for some things, things I would not have expected him to remember.
He was thoughtful at times.
When the relationship was good, it was pretty good, there are definitely moments I remember fondly.
He made excellent pancakes.
He did the vast majority of driving on our road trips.
He was patient with my dogs even though I found out later he was never very fond of them.
I would never want to be in that relationship again, but it taught me a lot about myself I may not have learned otherwise. In the end, that's always a good thing, right?

Additionally, two things come to mind for those still in the throes of a broken/breaking relationship:
1. Time heals all wounds.
2. Time wounds all heels.
Of these I am sure.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Government Take over of Fido.............
Posted: 8/7/2009 4:04:34 PM
Okay with me, I've got no kids and two dogs, spent $145 at the vet today, sign me up.

The guy probably either has pets or knows a number of constituents who do. He's likely to benefit financially on a personal level or to be seen as doing something for his constituents with pets who may then re-elect him. Same story, different day.

I suspect if one has pets they think this a fine idea and if they don't, they don't. There is nothing new under the sun!

edit: No tax deduction is mandatory. You take it if you want to and/or can and you don't if you don't.

No one said anything about killing anyone's pets, where do you people come up with this stuff?????????????????????????

Now that we're on the subject, IF MORE PEOPLE WOULD SPAY AND NEUTER THEIR PETS, THE NUMBER PUT TO SLEEP WOULD BE DRASTICALLY REDUCED!

Perhaps he should add to his bill, funds to educate the ignorant who don't seem to know or care where all these little puppies and kittens come from.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 20 (view)
 
All this pulling of weeds cannot be healthy for lawn
Posted: 8/7/2009 3:20:41 PM
About Roundup.
I've only used it once and it was very effective!
Is it okay to use near a creek?
Surely some spray gets in the water, should I avoid using it within a certain distance of the creek?
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 14 (view)
 
So what did you think?
Posted: 8/7/2009 3:09:24 PM
If you "don't really care for poetry" why will you be "attending a poetry reading"?
No attendance, no questions, no problem.
Why are you going if you know at the outset it's not something you care for?
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 17 (view)
 
All this pulling of weeds cannot be healthy for lawn
Posted: 8/7/2009 11:22:02 AM
Excellent thread!
I usually pull them out by hand after it rains and will try some of these other strategies for the more stubborn among them.

Any suggestions for discouraging my nemesis... the dreaded nutsedge? I prefer not to use chemicals unless they are unavoidable.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 55 (view)
 
The Gym Shooter, a right wing conservative?
Posted: 8/7/2009 10:17:44 AM
For the love of God, how hard is it to say, "yeah, the guy was a right wing conservative nut!"?

what is it about extreme conservatives that pushes them to...

Nutbags like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al preach to their lemmings day after day, “Everything that’s wrong is SOMEONE ELSE’S FAULT”. They promote violence, bellow about the liberal Nazis, encourage supporters to engage in all kinds of mayhem… sooner or later one or a number of them will go off.
Sodini went off and we're surprised?!?!?!?!
Roeder went off and we're surprised?!?!?!?!
Poplawski went off and we're surprised?!?!?!?!
Adkisson went off and we're surprised?!?!?!?!

Same story, different day!

What the Republicans are preaching at the moment is anti-socialism. It goes beyond hate to include fear and loathing reinforced by heavy doses of misleading misinformation.

Anti social {wingnuts} are working the fears of change and the loathing of others up into a rage that goes beyond twisted logic into the realm of twisted faces and violence.

A tanking economy, massive job loss, and no immediate prospects for recovery need a target for blame.

Republicans find it as hard to blame themselves as most of us do. There is heavy cognative dissonance coming from the recognition that it was they who aplauded Bush vs Gore, the war in Iraq, the deregulation of the economy, denied Peak oil and Global Warming and have been loyal participants in the disaster for 8 years.

Any kind of real introspection can be hard to deal with when it comes time to assess the blame.

...they are now encountering the consequences of their own actions, but the projection onto others of what's wrong with themselves is what results in the dead bear cubs, slashed tires, lynchings in effigy, and beatings.

Its harder to teach people to be social than anti-social.
by rktect on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 0455 AM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/20/636742/-Nightly-(Gulp)-Special-Comments:-Hatred-Repackaged-As-The-Real-America

And so we see it’s not a big stretch from bear cubs to human beings!!!! How many more casualties do you need before you open your pieholes and tell the titular heads of your party to behave like adults!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 41 (view)
 
The Gym Shooter, a right wing conservative?
Posted: 8/6/2009 7:56:12 PM
Oh yeah, no crazed lunatic right wing conservative here:

A March 13, 1994 Web posting by Sodini at a Whitewater news group reads in full:

I got a bumper sticker that reads: "Stop Socialism Impeach Clinton" from an ad in National Review magazine. There are many neat buttons and stickers and things advertised in those conservative magazines. George

Two weeks later after posting at an "alt.clinton.politics" forum he signed off with another pro-impeachment message:
"Gore in '94."

And on Sept. 9, 1995, he posted on a "activism.militia" newsgroup the following:


I am convinced that more drastic action is required to bring the country back to the Constitutional order that it was 200 years ago. I don't think any group of political leaders will achieve this for us.

Sodini's Web page, with the diary, has now been removed from the Web. Ironically, at the bottom of his page he had urged that it never be removed and, in fact, spread widely. His final statement there was "Death Lives!"

Here was the first entry, which explains his early desire to "exit" and take a few people with him, but deciding to stick around until past last November's election -- and his sarcastic remarks about Obama. Later in the diary he complains about the 'Obama economy.'


Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. Not like I give a flying fvck who won, since this exit plan was already planned. Good luck to Obama! He will be successful. The liberal media LOVES him.

Amerika has chosen The Black Man. Good! In light of this I got ideas outside of Obama's plans for the economy and such. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl hoe to hone up on. Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Long ago, many a older white male landowner had a young Negro wench girl for his desires. Bout' time tables are turned on that shit. Besides, dem young white hoez dig da bruthrs! LOL. More so than they dig the white dudes!

Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be bangin a bruthr real good. I saw it. "Not my little girl", daddy says! (Yeah right!!) Black dudes have thier choice of best white hoez. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so.

From July 20, 2009:

Been a long time since last write. Everything still sucks. But I got a promotion and a raise, even in this shitty Obama ecomomy. No more grunt programming. Go figure!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 34 (view)
 
The Gym Shooter, a right wing conservative?
Posted: 8/6/2009 5:58:13 PM
A crazed lunatic right wing conservative?

Say it ain't so.

 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Oh my!
Posted: 8/6/2009 5:42:45 PM
Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder
By Jeremy Scahill
The Nation, August 4, 2009

A former Blackwater employee and an ex-US Marine who has worked as a security operative for the company have made a series of explosive allegations in sworn statements filed on August 3 in federal court in Virginia. The two men claim that the company's owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe," and that Prince's companies "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life."

In their testimony, both men also allege that Blackwater was smuggling weapons into Iraq. One of the men alleges that Prince turned a profit by transporting "illegal" or "unlawful" weapons into the country on Prince's private planes. They also charge that Prince and other Blackwater executives destroyed incriminating videos, emails and other documents and have intentionally deceived the US State Department and other federal agencies. The identities of the two individuals were sealed out of concerns for their safety.

These allegations, and a series of other charges, are contained in sworn affidavits, given under penalty of perjury, filed late at night on August 3 in the Eastern District of Virginia as part of a seventy-page motion by lawyers for Iraqi civilians suing Blackwater for alleged war crimes and other misconduct. Susan Burke, a private attorney working in conjunction with the Center for Constitutional Rights, is suing Blackwater in five separate civil cases filed in the Washington, DC, area. They were recently consolidated before Judge T.S. Ellis III of the Eastern District of Virginia for pretrial motions. Burke filed the August 3 motion in response to Blackwater's motion to dismiss the case. Blackwater asserts that Prince and the company are innocent of any wrongdoing and that they were professionally performing their duties on behalf of their employer, the US State Department.

The former employee, identified in the court documents as "John Doe #2," is a former member of Blackwater's management team, according to a source close to the case. Doe #2 alleges in a sworn declaration that, based on information provided to him by former colleagues, "it appears that Mr. Prince and his employees murdered, or had murdered, one or more persons who have provided information, or who were planning to provide information, to the federal authorities about the ongoing criminal conduct." John Doe #2 says he worked at Blackwater for four years; his identity is concealed in the sworn declaration because he "fear[s] violence against me in retaliation for submitting this Declaration." He also alleges, "On several occasions after my departure from Mr. Prince's employ, Mr. Prince's management has personally threatened me with death and violence."

In a separate sworn statement, the former US marine who worked for Blackwater in Iraq alleges that he has "learned from my Blackwater colleagues and former colleagues that one or more persons who have provided information, or who were planning to provide information about Erik Prince and Blackwater have been killed in suspicious circumstances." Identified as "John Doe #1," he says he "joined Blackwater and deployed to Iraq to guard State Department and other American government personnel." It is not clear if Doe #1 is still working with the company as he states he is "scheduled to deploy in the immediate future to Iraq." Like Doe #2, he states that he fears "violence" against him for "submitting this Declaration." No further details on the alleged murder(s) are provided.

"Mr. Prince feared, and continues to fear, that the federal authorities will detect and prosecute his various criminal deeds," states Doe #2. "On more than one occasion, Mr. Prince and his top managers gave orders to destroy emails and other documents. Many incriminating videotapes, documents and emails have been shredded and destroyed."

The Nation cannot independently verify the identities of the two individuals, their roles at Blackwater or what motivated them to provide sworn testimony in these civil cases. Both individuals state that they have previously cooperated with federal prosecutors conducting a criminal inquiry into Blackwater.

"It's a pending investigation, so we cannot comment on any matters in front of a Grand Jury or if a Grand Jury even exists on these matters," John Roth, the spokesperson for the US Attorney's office in the District of Columbia, told The Nation. "It would be a crime if we did that." Asked specifically about whether there is a criminal investigation into Prince regarding the murder allegations and other charges, Roth said: "We would not be able to comment on what we are or are not doing in regards to any possible investigation involving an uncharged individual."

The Nation repeatedly attempted to contact spokespeople for Prince or his companies at numerous email addresses and telephone numbers. When a company representative was reached by phone and asked to comment, she said, "Unfortunately no one can help you in that area." The representative then said that she would pass along The Nation's request. As this article goes to press, no company representative has responded further to The Nation.

Doe #2 states in the declaration that he has also provided the information contained in his statement "in grand jury proceedings convened by the United States Department of Justice." Federal prosecutors convened a grand jury in the aftermath of the September 16, 2007, Nisour Square shootings in Baghdad, which left seventeen Iraqis dead. Five Blackwater employees are awaiting trial on several manslaughter charges and a sixth, Jeremy Ridgeway, has already pleaded guilty to manslaughter and attempting to commit manslaughter and is cooperating with prosecutors. It is not clear whether Doe #2 testified in front of the Nisour Square grand jury or in front of a separate grand jury.

The two declarations are each five pages long and contain a series of devastating allegations concerning Erik Prince and his network of companies, which now operate under the banner of Xe Services LLC. Among those leveled by Doe #2 is that Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe":

To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.

Mr. Prince operated his companies in a manner that encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life. For example, Mr. Prince's executives would openly speak about going over to Iraq to "lay Hajiis out on cardboard." Going to Iraq to shoot and kill Iraqis was viewed as a sport or game. Mr. Prince's employees openly and consistently used racist and derogatory terms for Iraqis and other Arabs, such as "ragheads" or "hajiis."

Among the additional allegations made by Doe #1 is that "Blackwater was smuggling weapons into Iraq." He states that he personally witnessed weapons being "pulled out" from dog food bags. Doe #2 alleges that "Prince and his employees arranged for the weapons to be polywrapped and smuggled into Iraq on Mr. Prince's private planes, which operated under the name Presidential Airlines," adding that Prince "generated substantial revenues from participating in the illegal arms trade."

Doe #2 states: "Using his various companies, [Prince] procured and distributed various weapons, including unlawful weapons such as sawed off semi-automatic machine guns with silencers, through unlawful channels of distribution." Blackwater "was not abiding by the terms of the contract with the State Department and was deceiving the State Department," according to Doe #1.

This is not the first time an allegation has surfaced that Blackwater used dog food bags to smuggle weapons into Iraq. ABC News's Brian Ross reported in November 2008 that a "federal grand jury in North Carolina is investigating allegations the controversial private security firm Blackwater illegally shipped assault weapons and silencers to Iraq, hidden in large sacks of dog food." Another former Blackwater employee has also confirmed this information to The Nation.

Both individuals allege that Prince and Blackwater deployed individuals to Iraq who, in the words of Doe #1, "were not properly vetted and cleared by the State Department." Doe #2 adds that "Prince ignored the advice and pleas from certain employees, who sought to stop the unnecessary killing of innocent Iraqis." Doe #2 further states that some Blackwater officials overseas refused to deploy "unfit men" and sent them back to the US. Among the reasons cited by Doe #2 were "the men making statements about wanting to deploy to Iraq to 'kill ragheads' or achieve 'kills' or 'body counts,'" as well as "excessive drinking" and "steroid use." However, when the men returned to the US, according to Doe #2, "Prince and his executives would send them back to be deployed in Iraq with an express instruction to the concerned employees located overseas that they needed to 'stop costing the company money.'"

Doe #2 also says Prince "repeatedly ignored the assessments done by mental health professionals, and instead terminated those mental health professionals who were not willing to endorse deployments of unfit men." He says Prince and then-company president Gary Jackson "hid from Department of State the fact that they were deploying men to Iraq over the objections of mental health professionals and security professionals in the field," saying they "knew the men being deployed were not suitable candidates for carrying lethal weaponry, but did not care because deployments meant more money."

Doe #1 states that "Blackwater knew that certain of its personnel intentionally used excessive and unjustified deadly force, and in some instances used unauthorized weapons, to kill or seriously injure innocent Iraqi civilians." He concludes, "Blackwater did nothing to stop this misconduct." Doe #1 states that he "personally observed multiple incidents of Blackwater personnel intentionally using unnecessary, excessive and unjustified deadly force." He then cites several specific examples of Blackwater personnel firing at civilians, killing or "seriously" wounding them, and then failing to report the incidents to the State Department.

Doe #1 also alleges that "all of these incidents of excessive force were initially videotaped and voice recorded," but that "Immediately after the day concluded, we would watch the video in a session called a 'hot wash.' Immediately after the hotwashing, the video was erased to prevent anyone other than Blackwater personnel seeing what had actually occurred." Blackwater, he says, "did not provide the video to the State Department."

Doe #2 expands on the issue of unconventional weapons, alleging Prince "made available to his employees in Iraq various weapons not authorized by the United States contracting authorities, such as hand grenades and hand grenade launchers. Mr. Prince's employees repeatedly used this illegal weaponry in Iraq, unnecessarily killing scores of innocent Iraqis." Specifically, he alleges that Prince "obtained illegal ammunition from an American company called LeMas. This company sold ammunition designed to explode after penetrating within the human body. Mr. Prince's employees repeatedly used this illegal ammunition in Iraq to inflict maximum damage on Iraqis."

Blackwater has gone through an intricate rebranding process in the twelve years it has been in business, changing its name and logo several times. Prince also has created more than a dozen affiliate companies, some of which are registered offshore and whose operations are shrouded in secrecy. According to Doe #2, "Prince created and operated this web of companies in order to obscure wrongdoing, fraud and other crimes."

"For example, Mr. Prince transferred funds from one company (Blackwater) to another (Greystone) whenever necessary to avoid detection of his money laundering and tax evasion schemes." He added: "Mr. Prince contributed his personal wealth to fund the operations of the Prince companies whenever he deemed such funding necessary. Likewise, Mr. Prince took funds out of the Prince companies and placed the funds in his personal accounts at will."

Briefed on the substance of these allegations by The Nation, Congressman Dennis Kucinich replied, "If these allegations are true, Blackwater has been a criminal enterprise defrauding taxpayers and murdering innocent civilians." Kucinich is on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and has been investigating Prince and Blackwater since 2004.

"Blackwater is a law unto itself, both internationally and domestically. The question is why they operated with impunity. In addition to Blackwater, we should be questioning their patrons in the previous administration who funded and employed this organization. Blackwater wouldn't exist without federal patronage; these allegations should be thoroughly investigated," Kucinich said.

A hearing before Judge Ellis in the civil cases against Blackwater is scheduled for August 7.

It's party time!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Murdoch to charge for his manure
Posted: 8/6/2009 4:16:37 PM
Murdoch vows to charge for all online content
Financial Times, August 6 2009

Rupert Murdoch has vowed to charge for all the online content of his newspapers and television news channels...
[ snip ]
...the online charging policy would extend to cable networks such as Fox News.

The FT headline might as well read, "Murdoch vows to charge for $h!t."

Who knows, it could work, there are always stupid people who will pay for $h!t.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Why are these Talk Show host so popular?
Posted: 8/2/2009 11:35:38 AM
I believe they are popular because they confirm the worst fears of the ignorant.
What's not to like about someone who confirms what you already believe? Some people need constant reinforcement that what they believe is true and right. Rush, Sean, the Michaels, Glenn and Mark substitute for the critical thinking that's lacking in their supporters.
If Rush/Sean/the Michaels/Glenn/Mark says it, it must be true and I'm right and all is well in my own little universe. They are popular because they make life easier for those who think they already know all there is to know.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Bank bonus tab
Posted: 7/31/2009 12:08:50 AM
advanceman,
I think you're right.
This will sound off topic and it probably is but...
I am indeed disturbed by the bonuses, very disturbed. In reality, there is little if anything I or anyone else can do about it, so what can I do?
I heard about something today called voluntary simplicity, don't know much about it yet but I think I'm in. We've got to start somewhere.
When I read your post it occurred to me, "ya know what dipiteee, in your own way, on your own scale (which to be sure in no way approaches the largesse the original post details) you have way more than any human being needs to live a joyful life." There is a more profound life to be had!
I can continue to b!tch and moan about how others are greedy and selfish (and I may well) and/or I can do something about my own greed and selfishness. Hmmm, which will it be?!?
It's late and I have to work tomorrow but I intend to investigate VS. I suspect I will find much there to like and perhaps a new way of life.
Thank you advanceman for planting a seed, as Eckhart Tolle would say, "and that is how we change the world."
: )

edit
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
wudger,


do you really think that a nation that can't even come to a reasonable conclusion on how to insure the health of its citizens is going to be able to re-invent commerce?

Good point, but like I said, we have to start somewhere. If we are not part of the solution, we are part of the problem. It's not too hard to b!tch about the problem, it really doesn't require much of us. Let me assure you, I know of what I speak, I did it exquisitely while Bush was in charge. It's a new day, I for one am ready for something different. How about you?
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 1 (view)
 
Bank bonus tab
Posted: 7/30/2009 9:13:14 PM
Bank Bonus Tab: $33 Billion
Nine Lenders That Got U.S. Aid Paid at Least $1 Million Each to 5,000 Employees
Wall Street Journal, JULY 31, 2009
By SUSANNE CRAIG and DEBORAH SOLOMON

Nine banks that received government aid money paid out bonuses of nearly $33 billion last year -- including more than $1 million apiece to nearly 5,000 employees -- despite huge losses that plunged the U.S. into economic turmoil.

The Millionaire's Club

Top employees at nine big U.S. banks that received government aid shared a bonus pool of $32.6 billion.

snip

The $32.6 billion in bonuses is one-third larger than California's budget deficit. Six of the nine banks paid out more in bonuses than they received in profit. One in every 270 employees at the banks received more than $1 million.

snip

The nine firms in the report had combined 2008 losses of nearly $100 billion. That helped push the financial system to the brink, leading the government to inject $175 billion into the firms through its Troubled Asset Relief Program.

...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124896891815094085.html

I'd like to add a personal comment, but I am speechless!
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Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Psychology - Are flame wars triggered by hate, or love
Posted: 7/25/2009 3:09:17 PM
I'm curious about "the joy of a good scrap", what does that mean?

Are these people motivated by hatred of some people, or by a love of the duel?

I suspect the motivation is subconscious/unconscious ego identification based on power/control/self image or some other perceived lack.
BTW, I'll eat my hat if POF creates such a space. A number of the forums were hidden to combat exactly that kind of behavior.
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 12 (view)
 
More leftwingers caught!
Posted: 7/25/2009 2:29:16 PM
Hey dmotz,
Hope you are well!
Both parties have corrupt individuals, in office and among their supporters. Who among us has not done something we wish in hindsight we hadn't? Each of us has our light and dark spots. I recently discovered that dwelling on the dark spots in someone else or some other group of people was a very convenient way of missing the entire point of living. It’s not difficult to find fault in someone we don’t agree with, someone we think we have nothing in common with, but at the end of the day, we are all the same, we have our pluses and minuses.
That said, it's always good when someone gets caught misbehaving, personally and/or professionally. The "catch" affords an opportunity to wake up to what really matters in this lifetime... or not. We can learn from our mistakes… or not. It’s always a choice.
Chances are good there will be members of both parties caught doing something untoward in the future, probably tomorrow and then again next week and in a year from now for eternity. At the end of the day, if we add them all up we're likely to find a pretty even split between the two parties in terms of wrongdoing, six of one, half dozen of the other. We can argue about whose misdeeds are worse, more egregious, but at the end of the day, what difference does it make?
We are all in this together. Whether we like it or not that fact remains. We would do well to concentrate on what unites us rather than what divides us. What can we agree on? What can we do to make this place we live a better place for all of us?
Entire lifetimes can pass by while we concentrate on things that at the end of the day really don’t matter, so what’s it gonna be?
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 31 (view)
 
The inevitable death- has the thought changed you?
Posted: 7/25/2009 11:04:00 AM
Food for thought:
We are all born and we all die.
In 100 years we will all be rotting corpses, we all have our cross to bear in the meantime.
No matter our differences, we have much more in common than not.

The thought of inevitable death did not change me, realizing that my life is NOW (not yesterday, not tomorrow) that is what changed me.
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 85 (view)
 
The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/22/2009 6:48:52 PM
dmotz,
Something we can agree on, I'm not liking them either, not even a little bit!
Maybe there is no solution. I continue to have faith in Obama, it is my belief that if anyone can fix this, it's him but the jury is still out. Maybe I'm wrong (it wouldn't be the first time ), maybe it's just not fixable or maybe he's just like all the rest.
We'll see I guess.
Anyway, I see this place becoming more toxic by the day so I'm outta here but did want to say goodbye to you. Tried to pm you but I don't have a pic up. We've had our battles but I suspect if we happened into one another other than here we'd end up friends who agreed to disagree about politics. One of my very best friends is as conservative as they come but we work it out. Here's hoping Obama turns out better than you expect, if not, you can say "I told you so" in 3+ years. Meanwhile, wish you and all other POFers the very best. Have fun!! .
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 15 (view)
 
Chines are Spying on us through our computers!
Posted: 4/21/2009 12:22:51 AM
^^^ Clever indeed!

Perhaps they're not, haven't received my order yet!
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Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 4/20/2009 10:10:58 PM

i don't see how increasing spending beyond anything ever seen before is going to do anything but bankrupt the country

Don't look now, but we're already bankrupt!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 75 (view)
 
The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 10:07:56 PM
^^^ Yikes, I had no idea either.
dmotz,
Glad to be of service and right back at ya.
Not a big fan of the bailouts here either. Always believed had United been allowed to go belly up the entire industry would have been better off. Did find this alternative opinion: http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008/09/22/do-government-bailouts-work-ask-the-airlines/
although, I remain unconvinced.
I think the housing mess is something else altogether. Personally, I think the mortgage industry is as much if not more at fault than the buyers. WHY DID THEY MAKE THE LOANS? Follow the money and TAKE IT BACK! (and please, before you say it, everyone foreclosing IS NOT of the CRA loan variety. The stories I've heard about what some mortgage brokers did ought to land them in prison!)
On top of those who were poor risks to begin with, it's my understanding there are quite a few people who could afford to buy that are losing their homes because of the economy. What happens when occupancy rates tank? I suppose we could just do it and see where it goes, but I'm not sure that's the best solution.
Before you accuse me of believing that people who can't pay ought to get some bailout, that's not what I think at all. I pay my mortgage x 2 every month and think it would be grossly unfair for people who bought way over their heads to skate.
We are bright people, or so we're told. Someone ought to be able to figure this out!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 55 (view)
 
The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/18/2009 2:22:19 PM
Oh goody, the spelling police have arrived. Thank you, thank you, a million times thank you. Your check is in the mail.

An "alternative" budget from the party that dragged us into this vortex of fiscal agony?!?!?!
Priceless!


Just when you think you've heard it all...
baa haa haa haa - A republican defending gays, any port in a storm, ey dmotz?

only the Demoncrats are allowed to be gay

Not so fast Einstein, only Democrats are allowed to be openly gay, BIG difference!!

Your party with its misguided homophobic rhetoric makes a career out of gay bashing, shaming its gay men into "acting" heterosexual and crusading against themselves and others like them for "show" and votes. Hence the astronomical number of conservative women married to secretly gay men... the kind arrested for trolling for sex in airport bathrooms, the kind that wreak havoc on families across the nation and in more extreme cases, the kind responsible for unimaginable depravity. Conservatives are a scourge on the very institutions they purport to cherish. “Defense of Marriage Act”, another sick Republican joke!!!!!!!!!!

Gay orientation is NOT the problem, NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL BE. It’s about like being left-handed or brunette or having a musical inclination or breathing. The problem is repression of the kind the republican party demands and rewards!!!!!!!!!!!

What you resist, persists. Bet on it!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Obama's Non-Bow to Saudi King
Posted: 4/16/2009 10:23:31 PM
Photoshop? Au contraire!
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/83697378/Getty-Images-News?axd=DetailPaging.Generic|1&axs=0|83697378%2c50382863%2c83697419%2c83697699%2c50382853%2c81187863%2c50324714%2c78828734%2c78828741%2c78828756%2c84313004%2c78830312%2c83697858%2c78830308%2c83697852%2c78830316%2c78830314%2c83698081%2c71506990%2c71506950%2c51082975%2c51082976%2c1535490%2c1535486%2c696810%2c696812%2c83697922%2c673766%2c83697860%2c673769%2c83697048%2c673767%2c800003%2c83703632%2c800007%2c800010%2c83704022%2c83704068%2c83704921%2c52693833%2c52693829%2c52693834%2c83703550%2c78224202%2c83703184%2c52694182%2c83702671%2c78224204%2c52693881%2c83703596%2c78224206%2c52693965%2c52693963%2c52693970%2c52693858%2c52693873%2c52693842%2c52693851%2c83676959%2c52693845|0

President Bush Welcomes World Leaders To Financial Crisis Summit
WASHINGTON - NOVEMBER 14: U.S. President George W. Bush welcomes King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia to the White House for a dinner in honor of the Summit on Financial Markets and the World Economy November 14, 2008 in Washington, DC. The summit officially begins tomorrow and will seek to address problems currently impacting global economies. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images)

AND

http://www.apimages.com/OneUp.aspx?st=k&kw=prince%20abdullah%20and%20bush%20and%20greet&showact=results&sort=relevance&page=1&intv=None&cfas=__p%2C-1&sh=10&kwstyle=and&adte=1239944755&pagez=20&rids=0546a3661be1da11af9f0014c2589dfb&dbm=PY2005&xslt=1&dispname=05042504678%2C%20US%20SAUDI%20ARABIA%20BUSH
President Bush, center, greets Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah at his ranch in Crawford, Texas Monday, April 25, 2005. President Bush is seeking relief from record-high gas prices and support for Middle East peace as he opens his Texas ranch to Abdullah. Saudi Arabia is the world's largest oil producer. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice looks on at left. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

AND

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bush%20abdullah%20rice/musiclover1992/BushSaudiKing.jpg

AND

http://todaymalaysia.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/usa-conspiracy-media-commentary-muted-as-israel-invades/

AND

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bush%20abdullah/rawcatslyentist/bush-abdullah-8.jpg

That ain’t no Photoshop baby!!!!!!!!!!!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Tea Parties??? Whats this about?
Posted: 4/15/2009 8:25:32 PM
Did tea baggers dress themselves this morning or did they require assistance?

The “Tea Parties”, of course, started springing up in response to Obama’s stimulus package, a package whose largest fiscal component is a tax cut that will largely benefit the people in the income brackets who make up the Tea Party movement.

Some of our children is just not learning... http://www.funpic.hu/en.picview.php?id=18735&c=14&s=dd&p=10

The folks in the blogosphere largely cheerleading the Tea Parties are the same folks in the blogosphere who cheerleaded the war in Iraq. So apparently, government intervention to the tune of $650 Billion is okay when it comes to an unnecessary war that in no way advances American interests, but not okay when it comes to building bridges, cutting taxes, helping state governments meet budget shortfalls, or making sure that Americans don’t get covered in lava. Gotcha.

No evidence of large scale protests aimed at a Republican Party which, over the last eight years, further doctored the tax and regulatory codes to favor large, public corporations and disfavor small businesses and individual entrepreneurs.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/tea_parties_going_galt_iraq_and_delicious_irony/

It's all just too f'ing hilarious!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 53 (view)
 
The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:40:38 PM
The publican's alternative budget: "Tax the poor, starve the humgry, trillon dollar bonuses for all CEOs plus an extra trillion if they run a company into the ground and layoff all the workers, make sure those babies we don't want aborted remain part of the permanent underclass, and let's go have some gay sex!"
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 56 (view)
 
Joe The Plumber ... the great Republican hope?
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:28:02 PM
No other way this guy had even the remotest chance of getting his pipes cleaned!
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 205 (view)
 
Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:26:44 PM
Interesting Trivia

Proof that Mann swings to the right. Most people use Ann Coulter as a synonym for psychotic b1tch.
It is rumored that in the late fall, he stalks the North American wilderness devouring the souls of children and defenseless animals.
He is a vile, treacherous 'c' word. But you knew that.
He is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records under the category "world's manliest hands".
Favorite film is 1980's Cannibal Holocaust.
Mann Coulter believes that Bill Clinton is obviously gay because he likes women (no, really).
Currently the face of various Pro-Choice organizations for a new joint campaign supporting post-natal abortion.
Mann Coulter has a half-flaccid, hormone-shrunken bologna noodle.
Uses a dildo made out of real d!cks.
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Msg: 102 (view)
 
The New America
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:16:47 PM
In the New America closeted gay republicans are no longer able to wreak havoc on unsuspecting women by trapping them in sham marriages.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Tea Parties??? Whats this about?
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:11:36 PM
This is about conservatives whining about all the taxes they pay as they "Suck The Tit Of The Taxpayer!"
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Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 46 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:09:14 PM
Because if the banks fail, conservatives will have to get real jobs, not the kind where the government hands them bonuses for being the dismal failures they are.
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 28 (view)
 
Obama's Non-Bow to Saudi King
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:05:42 PM
A picture is worth 1,000 words.

http://www.cbseyemobile.com/users/UltraLip/channel/item/54518/?cbs-prod=ebhit841vng30j62gttud6e0p6

Wonder how long it took them to make love like crazed weasels.
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 364 (view)
 
Get that dog off the bed!
Posted: 4/14/2009 3:49:29 AM
Neither is right or wrong per se, it's one of those "to each their own" things. If two people are going to be in a relationship, there are the inevitable items you have to negotiate/compromise on. Either negotiate something that works for both of you or part ways. No harm, no foul.
A few years ago, I had four dogs and they all slept with me, or us as the case was on occasion. I would have been insulted if my SO insisted on kicking them out of the bed. At some point, after he was long gone it occurred to me I wasn't getting any sleep. I'd wake up and try not to disturb them by moving around. How silly is that?!?!?!
At first I felt bad about kicking them out so to speak, but after a few days, we all adjusted just fine. Now I have the king-size bed all to myself, way more often than not they have their own room, with their own twin mattress and they're happy little clams.
BTW, some people bathe their dogs way more frequently than once a month, especially I'd imagine if they're sleeping in the bed.
 serendipiteee
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Msg: 25 (view)
 
Bo takes his bow as latest White House pet
Posted: 4/14/2009 2:21:33 AM
It's all over now, we are doomed!
First - the president, now - the first dog, where will it end? Life as we know it is over.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2008/nov/05/us-presidents-pets?picture=345846394
Bo contacted that shameful, lying b@stard Gibbs, immediately after peeing on Sunday's edition, to demand a denial. In typical White House propagandist form, Gibbs is expected to bow to the pressure.
Obama repudiates claims he taught Bo how to bow. Bow Wow!!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Obama's Non-Bow to Saudi King
Posted: 4/11/2009 11:08:56 PM
Like I said, get back to me when there's something of consequence to report.

Watch the Gibbs video, clearly he's of the opinion there are more pressing matters at hand. I wish he'd said what he was probably thinking, "WTF... did I hear you correctly, you're asking about a $#^%*!@ bow?!?!?"

BTW, surely this is not the best you can do? The purported lie was not told by Obama. Do you think Gibbs called Obama to ask whether he bowed and Obama said, "Yeah, uh-huh, I bowed, my bad, lie when the press asks you about it."

For Christ's sake, save the APBs for something that matters, this ain't it!
 serendipiteee
Joined: 5/30/2006
Msg: 82 (view)
 
The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/11/2009 9:11:33 PM

I hope that helps a bit.

Not really, but thanks for taking the time to respond. I suspect it’s another one of those things that will never make sense to me.

Isn’t it ironic? Schaivo’s “condition” resulted from an electrolyte imbalance. She had an eating disorder. Let me assure you, the last thing she would have wanted was a feeding tube. The ACLU, whether they knew it or not, gave her exactly what she would have wanted.


No unborn child has ever been represented by the ACLU. Why not.

I am not an expert on the ACLU, but probably because they represent the unborn child’s mother, can’t represent both. Incomprehensible to me how the right can moan and carry on about government interference and then expect women to turn over their most personal and private matters so the government may interfere in them. Boggles the mind!


This is CLEARLY a Liberal organization.

Liberal is in fact, not a four letter word.

* open-minded, willing to consider new and different ideas or opinions
* tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
* a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties

Liberalism is a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.

Hmmm, and that’s a bad thing?!?!?!?!


I hope the ACLU doesn't try to "defend" my liberty

I imagine right up until the point that you do. : )
 
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