And, of course, women know this and play it for all it's worth.

Women GIVE themselves freely to the highest bidder.

I'm more conviced that a woman asking "So, what do you do?" meaning "What do you do for a living?" is a red flag.

Men with their money, women with their sex appeal.
What's the big shock?

I don't find this particularly surprising, nor particularly significant. I've noticed that there is a correlation between men's attentiveness and how much cleavage I display, but I'm also smart enough to know that my cleavage isn't going to make up for things he doesn't like about me. It may get me another date or two, but cleavage alone is not going to get me a quality relationship; at most, it'll get me a sexually-focused (and probably short-term) relationship. In the same way, a man who appears to have more money might generate more initial, short-term interest, but it's not going to get him a quality relationship, though it may get him a money-based relationship.

From my point of view, most women seek a man with resources, because women instinctively seek out a mate that can provide for children.

I am a long time out of the dating game ...and only visit the forums from time to time now ... but what I noticed during the time I was last dating ..and meeting ladies from POF is ...STDs are mostly just a forum topic ..I dated and bedded a lot of women ..many from POF and was never asked about STDs ..I always produced a condom for first time sex but was never asked to ...lots of women give lip service to safe sex but few seem to practice it or demand it ...

f I found out she belonged to a porn site. I might like to join it myself.

It never occured to me that it was such a huge issue.

If you don't like the way things are, do your part to change it. If you don't want to do your part, don't complain about the people who expect you to behave exactly as you've said you're going to behave.

People who are living life do find me fascinating

So if a guy really wants to pay for a date, does the woman view him as a doormat? And if so, why?

to NEVER expect anyone else to "take care of them".

People that don't have money often say that, its about materialistic things

example: after the date comes the bill.
Guy: Server, may I have the bill please?
Lady: Guy I really had a great time talking to you :-)
Server: Here's the bill
Guy: WTF? $40 why the hell did it come up to be so much
Lady: Is everything alright? Why are you so upset?
Guy: The bill is so expensive, how come it came to so much? blah blah blah blah blah
I'll handle the bill Lady.
Lady: * thinks to herself * wtf is up his ***hole, if he didn't have the money to pay for the date he shouldn't have asked me out.

This is a prime example of the ****ery that I'm talking about of how the guy brought it upon himself.

I'm still waiting to be asked out on a date so I can expect to be treated to dinner

Live within your means and keep it that way. Set yourself a limit of how much you are willing to spend on a first date or whatever and do it. Why the hell people have to make such and issue with money? if you don't have the money to ask someone out on a date or if you don't have the money to even cover for your own ass for anything, then you should not be dating. Period!

Stay single and be happy.

Don't get confused, YOU choose what you spend, YOU plan the date, it's on YOU what it costs.

This to me, is at the crux of all this garbage. If a man and woman interact on this site, the above behavior is anticipated by women, or he is "sh1t out of luck"! Any deviation from the norm is met with comments like on this thread. Men are called whiners, cheapskates and a slew of other things, for not wanting to foot the whole bill.

I talked to him about it again last night and I could tell he was nearly shutting down on me much like men do when they are talking about something that makes them uncomfortable so I told him do his damn research on it and gave him to shocking realization I hadn't had any orgasms at all during our sexual escapades. He still seems way into me. I am guessing that the sooner he understands it, the more likely he is to be turned on by it.

it's only because (1) She isn't all that hot for you; or (2) She is holding out because she's afraid of what you would think.

She got this funny look on her face and said, you aren't really going to make me pay are you?

Part of the problem is you have one person who does all the inviting while the other person doesnt. So one person ends paying all of the time.

I don't actually wait 5 dates. I just threw out a number. I go past 5 dates,like i said earlier i don't sleep with a guy until...i can't describe it. I just know when it's right, and i know when not to.

If it's a pass/fail moment, it's not a very difficult tes. I have never been offended, nor had the slightest bit of difficulty at tab time. If someone takes offense, it's that person's choice to be offended, which to me would just be an indication of lacking social graces. I mean really, if a person takes offense to something so trivial, I wouldn't hold out much hope for dealing with that person in a relationship

it just sets the tone...

that's all I am saying...

I ask you out. I am paying.

that's how men do it.

Well I say F that, nothing worse than a girl that expects everything while offering nothing

A screen name like pinkcherryx doesn't say anything about you does it?

I take issue with the characterization of women who are ready for sex more quickly than you are as not having morals.

But in the day to day world of images on TV, a great influencer of our youth, several of the images continue to be supported.

Men are taught from early on through sports, competition, job and life, everyone loves a winner and hates a loser.

I got the impression that he wasn't the type to use a girl.

I think that's part of the problem, men are talking about women they want, and the women they want might not be the same women who are saying money doesn't matter.

Traditional women that don't mind a guy opening doors, taking them for dinner, etc. are really hard to find in my neck of the woods.......

When I Do have money, I'm very generous...I toss it around like air...

You mentioned his insecurities but perhaps it’s something that you need to work on yourself.

I'm always hornier when I'm on my period. Previous partner was not pleased by this -- he apparently thought it was absolutely disgusting even though we used condoms. The general consensus of this thread seems to be that both genders approve of it. Is that standard? I've only had the one partner, and he was very much against the idea of sex while I was on my period. Not knowing any better, I just assumed that was normal.

In the 2 years I've been on here I've only met 3 women from the site. Every single one was looking for a FWB type of situation. 2 had long term listed and one had dating listed. They were very forward about it in person but during the chats that led up to the first meet they pretended to want more than a piece.

I guess if I had to look at numbers, of the 50 or so women I dated over several years, only a very small number (less than 3) returned to their EX's. Now are there some I'm not aware of, sure.

I still concur with those who say that directly asking questions doesn't mean all that much, that better information comes from observation and listening.

Oddly enough the guys that contact me the most looking for quick sex are usually the ones that claim they are the "nice guy," and the ones that are more respectful are the "freaks." There are exceptions, but this has been my experience anyway.

Sex,to me, doesn't have a time limit or a number of dates set before that happens...Sex is all about a comfort zone - either you have it with someone, or you don't...but you can't force it.

- any man who likes sexuality is a scumbag
- any man who does not give a woman EXACTLY and only what she wants is scumbag
- any man who has his own humanity and thinks intimacy is important is a scumbag

but the psychological toll would be staggering, so I choose not to.

So guys are driven by testosterone and instinct, I get that. Does that mean we just accept the status quo and not expect for them to conduct themselves in a classy way and as a civilized member of the dating world just because they have a d*ck and balls? That is ridiculous and you men should really be insulted by such a notion, the intelligent ones at least.

I don't read self-help books, blogs, etc., they are just there to get someone else rich. Common sense isn't that hard to come by.

Some women have no problem saying this person or that person is hot, yet may not say it to the person they claim to love. Guys like to hear that kind of thing too.

The sales pitch to a woman, on the other hand, is exclusively tied to her emotional state at the time, which is often a disorderly concoction of subconscious instinct, entertainment value, social pressure, insecurity, vanity and sometimes alcohol.

yes..every pretty woman does need a man..and wants to be in a relationship..it validates her attractiveness.

He looks at me and says "There's hot, and then there's attainable."

Having high expectations is to norm, in most relationships when you are young ... But as you get older you learn that life isn't about expectations but about living and enjoying what life has to give you...
But if as you say...Men are simple creatures then women wouldn't be trying to read theirs minds so much...
65 % of relationship problems are due to communication.
Assuming, jumping to conclusions, flat not listing to what each other wants or needs.
I’m not talk just about women but this includes men too.