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 Author Thread: Do most guys think they're better looking than what they are?
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 103 (view)
 
Do most guys think they're better looking than what they are?
Posted: 6/19/2013 1:19:10 PM

For anyone that does not believe it. Create a test profile of an average woman, average guy and a handsome guy. The latter get all the female attention, while even ugly women have the ability to boost their egos getting lots of messages.


Nope, all that proves is that many men will message anything that moves, and that apparently many men see any attention at all as a positive.

And this also goes to my point that what men believe is attractive is generally very different than what women believe is attractive. I would bet that if you had to pick out a man that you believe was handsome, not a celebrity, but some guy off of POF, the same guy that you believe gets all the messages, he wouldnt be what I would consider handsome.

The statistics that you quote actually undermine your own argument. The stats say that women find 80% of men unnatractive, they dont say that women all find the same 20% of men attractive. Bif Difference I would say...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Ex is getting married, and he never told us
Posted: 6/19/2013 10:21:05 AM

why don't you let her stay home if she doesn't want to participate in the wedding?


If you are really that concerned then change the timings of her visit, if your daughter doesnt want to be part of the wedding, then change her visit to August and then all the issues of the wedding go away if that is the major concern here. Does he have the ability to leave the UK without your permission? Because I do think that if he is planning to leave the country for a honeymoon or leave her with his relatives, you do have the right to know if that is the plan and so does your daughter, as she may not want to do either of those things. Because I dont think any person would want to go on someones honeymoon either, talk about a fifth wheel scenario, and your daughter shouldnt have to either.

I understand a certain amount about what is bothering you, and he certainly doesnt seem to be taking your daughters feelings into consideration either. But in the long run, it will be him that pays the price for that.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Do most guys think they're better looking than what they are?
Posted: 6/19/2013 8:35:09 AM
It has been my experience in the past 30 odd years that men are waaaay more opt to think that they are better looking or more attractive based on a "male" criteria, not what women find attractive.

For instance, I have heard men say many times about how "big and good looking" some guy was to then meet said guy, who turned out to be some tallish, over weight man with average features that would never be noticed aside from his height and weight. I think that men see "size" in a very limited way, they equate size with power and strength, and that is attractive to them so they assume that women attribute the same value to those characteristics. They dont see the 300lb over weight guy with the moobs...

I also think that a lot of men will groom themselves to what other men think is attractive and powerful. For instance, look around at how many men will shave their head and grow a goatee in some attempt to look bad ass. When the reality is that their face is too fat and they just look like the other 5 million fat guys with the same bad look. It is such an ambiguous look that actually makes them look worse than if they were realistic about what their features were and groomed accordingly.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Zero luck on POF---ever.
Posted: 6/17/2013 5:09:35 AM

I've seen ton of it in women's profiles too. As if they were talking down to their audience or lecturing to us. "Don't email me if you're under 6 feet tall!" or "Don't waste my time doing.....etc, etc,etc".

As if they're making demands and their profile is far from warm and fuzzy, but I think men email them regardless of what's expressed in their profiles?


So what is your point? That because a large percentage of the men on here have set the bar so low for themselves and will message any woman that is remotely attractive to them, that women are now obligated to do that now too in order to make it "fair".

I know, it's hard to ignore that little man in your pants when you have allowed him to control your decision making process for so long, but the reality is that just because you find a woman attractive, it doesnt mean that she has to reciprocate in order to make you happy.

I really have to wonder how the vast majority of these guys manage to actually function in real life, I thought men were supposed to be more rational and logical...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 340 (view)
 
About leagues. . .
Posted: 6/14/2013 11:43:11 AM

It's just that when you are firing off form emails out to people -- you're just looking at the basics -- looks + possibly categorical criteria like age, kids, smoking, etc. -- and will deal with the rest later -- whether you're picky about the other stuff or not


While CR is trying to argue with JustLooking, his postings continue to support Justlooking's position, IMO this paragraph illustrates exactly the vast majority of men and how they go about approaching women. I bet every woman on here has heard the comment "why is a good looking woman like you single?", or "I cant believe a good looking woman like you isnt taken", both of these statement are based on the fact that her looks are the more valued aspect of who she is as a person, because I have never heard a man say to a woman, "why is a nice or good lady like you single", but this is the most often line heard by men from women, to me this is a very clear indication of what is valuable to each sex and what drives them to approach a possible mate.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Zero luck on POF---ever.
Posted: 6/13/2013 7:55:18 AM
You are making the same mistake that a lot of men make IMO, your profile reads more like an itinerary for a vacation. The only thing it says about you is that you like to ride your bike and drink. Nothing about what you are looking for in a possible date, nothing about how you see the world, nothing other than you extra curricular activities. Unless you are looking for an activity partner, it is not at all geared towards meeting a possible romantic partner and is unlikely to attract one in its current form.

Not to mention that you pictures are not at all flattering to you...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Person is too moody to make plans ahead of time
Posted: 6/11/2013 8:39:55 AM

Yes, this man is disturbing and talks my ear off on the phone each time talking about himself. I haven't called him once.


But you keep answering the phone when he calls dont you?

I am not sure who is more disturbing here, the tattoo'ed drama queen with all the issues, or the OP, who continues to call this man disturbed and insults him on the forums, yet continues to speak to him on the phone.

Wow and wow is all I can say that she continues to entertain this man, gives him encouragement then comes into the forums and essentially slags him off.

But I guess as long as she hasnt called him, its all good right OP?
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 52 (view)
 
True innocent or guilty
Posted: 6/7/2013 11:51:50 AM
Double Cabins statement is one that has been made many times and is based on the idea that there are less children being born into environments that are not good places for babies to be, with drug addicted mothers, families with more children than resources to care for them, into foster care homes where babies that are not white or perfect end up after the mother gives them up, that sort of thing.

Less unwanted children in poor environments generally means less grown ups with bad childhoods doing bad things.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 66 (view)
 
How do you handle this?
Posted: 6/7/2013 11:14:07 AM
Well OP clearly you cant connect the dots here in regards to your behavior and the fact that you are knowingly doing something that is causing your child emotional harm and creating an unhealthy environment for him. I know it is easier to retreat back to what makes you feel better and safer, your cocoon with your son, and this sort of out burst suits that need as justification of that.

Its scary how you talk about not putting your child in danger yet you deliberately continue to overwhelm his ability to grow up strong and healthy with your inability to get past your upbringing.

If you cant see how that is causing your child emotional harm and that in the long run your continuing to do something that is harmful to him, it is abuse, regardless if you want to accept it or not

You dont have to hit him or lock him in a basement for it to be abuse, you are locking him into a world of where he is your emotional security blanket without him having a choice or the ability to choose to not be in that environment.

You arent talking about getting a little antsy leaving him with a babysitter for the first time or misting up a little on the first day of kindergarten, you are talking about an unreasonable fear that keeps you from letting him grow up. Sadly if you dont start to deal with this, you are pretty much laying the groundwork for the person you love so much to run as far away from you as soon as he possibly can. You have also admitted that you have no plans to get into another relationship and that your son is all you want in that regard. You cannot put that sort of burden on your boy, its not his job to feed your insecurities.

You really need to get some help to move past these issues.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 59 (view)
 
(Long) Help Me Understand Her: Why?
Posted: 6/7/2013 10:53:47 AM
Well its interesting how much people will reveal if you just let them go long enough...

I dont believe half of what the OP wrote in his first edition. It is clear how childish and emotionally immature the Op is and while the woman in this drama may have indeed flirted with him initially, possibly thinking that she is dealing with an adult that is capable of determining flirting from declarations of true love, she no doubt slammed the brakes on as soon as the OP started to declare his undying love for her and started making demands on her based on the fantasy he created in his head, and a possible good night kiss....

Well the only thing I can say OP is that some things have a habit of coming full circle when you do nasty things out of spite and jealousy, just remember that when someday your actions come back to bite you in the butt.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Has he changed his mind?
Posted: 6/6/2013 1:30:31 PM

So true. The guy has curbed the amount of daily texting, so the obvious next step is to dump him, according to the single people who require 24/7 attention. Communicating a relationship problem on POF is the preferred method instead of communicating with the partner.


Well what else is she to do? She tries to communicate with him and he doesnt reply. To me that means he isnt interested in getting back to her, for those that say she could call him, IMO, if he isnt responding to a text, he sure as hell isnt going to take a phone call if he is avoiding her. That would mean having to speak to her and tell her whatever he is trying to avoid now.

Let it die OP, do you really want to get invloved with someone this unconcerned about you? Even a guy who is only after sex is going to keep a willing fish on the line, apparently you dont even warrant that amount of attention...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 46 (view)
 
How do you handle this?
Posted: 6/6/2013 11:55:08 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^OK, this is just plain childish behaviour on your part. Here comes some tough love OP....

That attitude is bullshit, your job as a parent is to raise a healthy, happy child. And you arent doing that right now, you are knowingly putting him in a position that is causing him harm because of YOUR issues. Of course this is your response, because then it means YOU dont have to deal with YOUR issues, it works with your selfish way of looking at this whole scenario.

Because YOU have the issues that created this scenario, because YOU find it too hard to parent him in a normal and healthy way, because this fits YOUR selfish needs that YOU have burdened your son with. What you are doing is incredibly selfish and detrimental to your child regardless if you want to admit it or not. So while you may not be beating him with a stick, you certainly are putting your son in a terrible position right now..

Frankly what you are doing isnt much less damaging than what your parents did to you, different scenario, same result, an emotionally damaged child stemming from poor parenting...

How does that make you feel, knowing that you are doing as much damage to your boy as they did to you, everytime you blame your parent bad job of raising you, you are really no better when it comes to the possible end result. You better remember that the next time you remember how bad you had it as a child and use it as an excuse for why you are doing what you are doing now, you are repeating the cycle that you hate so much OP.

And I imagine your friend knew that you would blow the whole event out of proportion so she did not tell you because it would end any chance of that kid getting out from under your issues. In fact she probably thought she was doing you a favor by saving you from yourself. The reality is that we all have ahd close calls when we were growing up, some more dangerous than others, the irony here is that you are refusing to give your child the tools to eliminate the very thing you are terrified of...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 40 (view)
 
How do you handle this?
Posted: 6/6/2013 6:01:00 AM
Good for you OP, it will get easier as soon as you start to see that he is OK. The thing is that YOU need to start believing it though, he will pick up on your anxieties if you dont really believe it. So while youa re dealing with his fear of seperation, make sure you are having some self reflection to ensure that you are also growing from this experience...

Perhaps the next time you may look at getting him to do something for you while you are gone, such as coloring a picture, making a lego boat, etc. Hopefully that will give him something to occupy his mind with a task, not watching the door. It should also help him relax and start to understand that your not being around is not an impediment to his having fun. I think that you have taught your child that you need to be there to protect him from everything around him, and that is clearly an irrational way for both of you to see the world, "us against the world" is not a good parenting strategy.

Keep plugging away, parenting is a long game and you will not be able to undo years of conditioning in a couple hours.

I see that you are in finance, perhaps a mental image of you depositing good things into his emotional bank for his future may be a good way for you to move past the knee jerk reaction you are trying to avoid.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 24 (view)
 
How do you handle this?
Posted: 6/4/2013 12:00:59 PM
I know the tough love stings a bit, but the reality is that you have created this dilemma and it is yours to fix.

Perhaps you need to start at the very basic idea that his being away from you is a good thing, and that his going to school is a very good thing, for both of you to be honest. Until you start to own what you are really doing to your son, you will always run back, and you cannot do that for the rest of his life.

Think of it as tying his hands behind his back everytime you allow your fears and anxieties to over come you. You wouldnt do that to your child in the physical world would you, but you need to see that this is really what you are doing to him emotionally. So even if you have to visualize doing that to him in order to stop your behavior, it is worth a try.

I suggest you speak to your family physician about YOUR anxieties and perhaps he can refer you to a therapist to help you grow in order to help you allow your child to grow as well.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Finding the Right Type of Woman
Posted: 6/3/2013 7:42:19 AM
I seriously do not understand why some people think that they will be able to pick and choose a possible partner based on a few vague paramenters. OP, stop thinking that women who are kind and compassionate are going to want to deal with your crap anymore than a woman who doesnt consider herself overly compassionate. It is your responsibility to deal with whatever social issues you have, stop expecting or hoping that women will over compensate for your issues.

People do not invest a huge amount of energy into people that they have no connection to, so why would you expect a total stranger to invest anything in you?
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 403 (view)
 
Natural and hairy women?
Posted: 6/3/2013 5:57:01 AM

I totally agree with avalidpath. It's nice to know there are real men who don't scare just because of some hair. It takes a woman 12 or more years just to grow a full whisker biscuit down there; and then all you idiot's want them too do is shave it off. What a bunch of pansy's!


So preference is tied into one's manhood now? You're a dope.


It has about as much to do with your manhood as a woman who refuses to remove her hair is disgusting....
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
 
How do you handle this?
Posted: 6/3/2013 5:34:20 AM
^^^^^^^^^^ I think what you have forgotten here is that as a parent, your first job is to raise your child in an environment that prepares the child for life without you. I dont think it is very healthy for any parent to be anything other than a little misty eyed when their children start to grow up, if you cant handle the idea of your child growing up, there is really something else going on here.

IMO, you have to start seeing your overly emotional reaction as something that really isnt positive or healthy, your underlying emotions when it comes to your son, should be pride and hapiness that he is growing up and starting to show the ability to be a healthy, happy child that can function without you. Anything other than that really is cause for concern, your child is not some sort of emotional security blanket for you and you are actually creating a pretty heavy burden for this kid to carry if you continue to saddle this kid with your issues.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 91 (view)
 
Law school graduation--is it too soon to invite him?
Posted: 5/30/2013 12:26:39 PM

I don't get why everybody is treating this like it's some kind of bad thing to ask someone to a graduation.



I agree, I wasnt aware that it was still 1899, and that this would be interpreted as some sort of marital promise to attend a milestone event.

What bugs me is the how he turned her down, all he had to say was that he wouldnt want to intrude with her family and close friends on such an important day, that he was thankful that she invited him and that he is very pleased for her, but that he wouldnt feel compfortable in that scenario and then offer to go out for a celebratory dinner the very next time they are together.

Easy and classy, he acknowledeges the importance and happiness of the day to her and that she thought enough of him to want to include him in her celebration, but also addresses that he would feel out of place in a manner that leaves both of them able to walk away without any possible confusion. The best part about it is that it would have been the truth.

Perhaps the fact that he didnt offer to celebrate it on their own when this is clearly a huge accomplishment for the OP also rubs me the wrong way...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 933 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/14/2013 1:10:02 PM
Something else to consider: if I was seeing a girl who was all chummy-chummy with her ex, I'd immediately relegate her to FB status, and not bother to tell her. That way, when the novelty of sex-on-demand wore off, I'd have no compunction about pitching her; heck, I'd even be happy to let her think that it was "her" decision to end things. I know that I'm not the only guy to think this way, either. Just throwin' that out there...


Yup and when I win the gold medal for the Olympic 100m dash I will run around the arena giving everyone the finger. See I can make up scenarios that are extremely unlikely and pretend what I would do if it ever happened.

Lets be real honest here, half the men whining on this thread have about as many options when it comes to dating and mating as I do in picking what 45 carat diamond I am going to get for my earings, slim to none, so when I see this sort of bull shit, chest banging, coulda, woulda, shoulda like they have all the options in the world. and would start making demands on the few women that would actually give them the time of day, I cant help but chuckle a bit at the thought of it...

Keep the fantasy alive fella's...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 52 (view)
 
Why are there so many women my age who want a biker?
Posted: 5/13/2013 12:51:48 PM
Well I am going to guess and say its because they think it makes them sound edgy and fun, and that they think it will make men find them more atttractive if they sound edgy and wild!

Lets be honest, half the crap people put on their profiles is just that, crap....

Its the same for the guy that just loves to camp, or go hiking when it is clear they havent broken a sweat doing anything even remotely physical in eons....People put what they think people want to see on their profiles, it aint rocket appliance!
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 118 (view)
 
PROBLEM with stepkid
Posted: 5/13/2013 7:04:14 AM

the denial here--my husband's desperation not to face these kinds of truths--more than anything, is hard to bear. I need to talk to him about that, but I can't find the words. I tried, and he started going on about how lots of things can show up as cocaine, which I know isn't true (a close friend is THE staff drug tester for a hospital and we talked about it as well). I just don't want to fight about it.


I have to wonder if he cant accept what his child has become because he sees it as a failure on his part? Either way, it is clear that there is no quick fix here, TBH, after the passing out at work thing, I would not be surprised if this kid doesnt top himself in the next year or so with an OD.

Here is what I would be worried about OP, there is no way watching your husband do everything but what needs to be done isnt starting to kill your love and respect for him. I know I couldnt watch a parent stand by and pretty much help his kid throw his life down the sewer becsuse he couldnt do what needs to be done, because he was incapable of admitting that he is part of the problem by enabling the behaviour. I think that it may be ultimatum time and that would mean attending some support groups for the father to start seeing how big a part he is in enabling this behaviour to continue.

IMO unless this kid kills himself or gets help immediately, this is your life for the foreseeable future. Not to mention I envision multiple visits from child services once the baby is born and the man/child and his teen baby momma start knocking the crap out of each other once the stresses of the new baby start to bubble up and there isnt money for diapers or a baby sitter...

I feel for you as I cant imagine living in this situation for even a single minute...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 23 (view)
 
confused and want him back need advice
Posted: 5/9/2013 7:17:13 AM
We spoke last night on the phonr and he kept asking me if I'd been talking to any guys etc and I told him I was asked out on s date but turned it down. He told me he didnt want another guy to have me. Then he got all funny and hung up and has pretty much ignored me apart from sending me a message to say goodnight. What is ging through his mind right now? Do I just back off and give him space again? What does this all mean?


It means that you seem to have absolutely no self respect, be honest, over the last few weeks that you didnt have contact, were you counting down the days until you could contact him again? I think you were. If that is the case, you missed the point of no contact, it isnt a waiting game, it was a way for you to remove yourself from a situation where you werent able to make good decisions based on emotion and hormones.

Listen to what he is telling you.

He doesnt want another guy to have you, but he doesnt want you either.

While that may play into the fantasy movie like idea that young women have of love and relationships, that he is so tormented but still loves you, and that in the end, true love will win out against all odds, the reality is that these sort of things are not what real love and healthy relationships are built out of. This isnt going to turn into a movie where you 2 fall into each others arms after he "realizes" that he only ever really loved you. This guy is manipulating you so you are there when it works for him, he doesnt care about what you need, just what he needs. Is that the sort of thing you look for in a guy, the ability to use people?
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Canadian Forces life
Posted: 5/9/2013 5:15:13 AM
Well if you are going to end up in Kingston, you will be quite surprised. It is a good city with lots of people your age, it has one of the best Universities in Canada, Queens, as well as St Lawrence College, so that means a pretty good night life, great restaurants and a pretty decent little downtown area for spending your free time. Its not Montreal, but I think you could be pretty surprised at the options you have. The weather is good and you are 3 hours from Montreal or Toronto, and 1.5 away from Ottawa. I have lived here for 17 years and I wont be going any where soon!

Good Luck!
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Canadian Forces life
Posted: 5/8/2013 6:07:07 AM
I am a military spouse for over 18 years so I can give you a little insight into the CF.

Like any job, your first few years will consist of learning your job, both OJT and career courses. What trade are you going for?

Depending on your trade, that will dictate where you end up posted and will also reflect on the amount of training you will require. Once you get posted to your initial posting, your life will be like most people, just with a uniform. You will report to your unit and will work from 7 - 4 pm, and will go back to either the shacks or to your apartment or house just like the rest of the world. You will also have to do your trade courses to allow you to advance within your trade as well as recieve promotions.

Plenty of CF members have families, look around the average military base, you will see plenty of normal life. You will have just as much personal time as the average person, perhaps more when you factor in the amount of leave the average CF personell recieve per year.

Deployment is a tricky one, again it depends on your trade and where you end up posted.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Should I date yet?
Posted: 5/6/2013 1:15:57 PM

That's about the most grown up reply Ive heard in here, I really appreciate it. Getting on my own two feet will be hard, but I'm absolutely determined


Not really, this is just the one that you liked. Motown was very honest with you and if you listen to what she said, it is clear that she isnt being mean, just direct. Sorry that you arent going to get the kind of response that you want, to be honest you should be thankful that someone has been truthful and honest with you. While you see it as nasty and unkind, the reality is that both Motown and Dino are giving you the best thing you can ask for, the truth from someone who has no reason to sugar coat things for you, when all that does is allow you to continue the delusion that you are healthy and ready to move into a relationship this early in recovery.

I imagine that if we spoke to your sponsor, we would be hearing very different language from them.

I will ask you why you are so eager to possibly inflict yourself on someone this early in recovery? The very fact that you havent accepted that your behaviour is destructive and has negative impacts on those that care about you, tells me that you havent really accepted the reality of your situation. The last thing I would want to do is bring a high potential for chaos and heart ache to sone one that I think highly of...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 44 (view)
 
going on 10 months, should I love her or leave her?
Posted: 5/6/2013 6:12:07 AM
that's hilarious. The OP is being rather superficial. Wait until he breaks up with her and he finds out how superficial a lot of women will be at his big stature of 5'5". Yes, please break up with someone that has accepted your shortcomings and good luck finding others that will be so generous. It's gonna hurt when karma bites ya in the butt. But go on with your bad self, stud. I await for the thread...do women not like short men because nobody I write is replying. Go on...I'll wait.


Exactly what I was thinking...It wouldnt surprise me if the only reason the OP is with this girl is because she was better than what he normally gets, so he jumped at the chance, however for some reason he is starting to think that he has limitless options now, so he is looking to trade up. So my guess is that until he has another fish in the boat, the Op isnt willing to give up his steady piece of better than average ass.

The ironic thing is that he probably feels that he has better options now is because of the woman he is trying to trade up on. He found one woman that he knows is above his "league" who was interested in him, so now his ego is all out of control.

What the Op is forgetting is that while he may be checking out all these women around him and mentally masturbating to his fantasy's of being with them, the reality is that absolutely none of these women have indicated any possible interest in the OP. So I give the OP 6 months after dropping the chubby one he has now, to come back dropping the L word because he has not realized his dreams of dating up...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Lowered Standards is really a lame excuse for being Human
Posted: 5/3/2013 11:37:17 AM

Or are you being ....realistic and thinking " hey, I'm not in my 20's anymore, etc so he's GOOD ENOUGH looking, his profile seems GOOD ENOUGH and hopefully his personality will make up for the imperfections enough to make a go of it with "


I couldnt even begin to approach dating in that manner, what would be the point, if he isnt attractive to me, he isnt attractive. There are no "good enough" levels in my world.

I dont thinks its a matter of "standards", more a matter of over riding your 1st initial reaction and overlooking things that are more instinctual rather than based on a check list. And I am not just talking about looks, I would not be interested in a man that had a few habits that I find non negotiable.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 108 (view)
 
PROBLEM with stepkid
Posted: 5/2/2013 8:06:42 AM
I subscribe to the adage " no good deed goes unpunished" and this is what the Father seems to be reaping now, a adult/child that is completely self centred and who has no issue with demanding anything and everything from his father regardless of how ill though out or ridiculous. The shed thing is just ridiculous and if the Hubby agrees to it, call the Bylaw officer yourself anonymously.

I feel for you OP, as clearly Hubby cannot seem to find the intestinal fiber to deal with this issue. I too agree that the baby is probably better off with the Mother. I dont imagine that this young man is even remotely aaware of what is required to be a parent.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Let Freedom Ring, or Get her a Ring?
Posted: 4/30/2013 6:00:01 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Because the OP is finally realizing that he doesnt have all that many options, regardless of the couple other women he thinks may play out in the long run...

I also think it chaps his ass that this woman seems to have moved on with her life, found a "Jeff", and the OP hasnt had that much luck.

Leave her alone OP, you seem to be more worried about you percieved potential losses than the reality of what is possible right in front of you. She doesnt deserve your juvenile behavior in her life...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Do looks determine personality?
Posted: 4/23/2013 5:27:25 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^Unfortunately in your case it most likely is more about prejudice. The sad thing is tha for all we cry about these sort of injustices we still allow our children to be brought up with these false messages.

Every single one of us has been bombarded with the idea that good people are pretty, and that bad people are ugly or unnatractive. Look at any fairy tale or childrens literature in the last 150 years, and it is shown to children from a very young age what defines good or bad. And we still continue to put this in front of our children in books, cartoons and movies at a greater rate than ever before, all the while decrying the behaviour we instill in them.

I do agree about there being some connection between personality development and outside reaction to physical looks. We reward those that have done nothing more than have a genetic lottery win and in doing that we infer to those that arent as geneically blessed that they are less because of that. Does it determine a personality? I dont think so, but it certainly an have an affect on how it develops over time.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Bad First Date, Apology After?
Posted: 4/22/2013 7:44:45 AM
Well I a going to suggest something that hasnt been said, maybe its more of a combo of the fact that he wouldnt stop talking as well as what he was telling you while he wouldnt stop talking. While you were being bombarded with sooo much information about this guy, it is possible that he was giving you some pretty important info about who he is and that is what is bothering you more than the case of blabber mouth. I imagine it would be pretty difficult to give a synopsis on what he said, but the impression of what he said could be more key than how much he said.

Some times even nervous people are jerks...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 129 (view)
 
Do all women over 50 cringe when they hear the word SEX !!
Posted: 4/18/2013 5:40:10 AM
Do they cringe. I am sure some do. However I think it has more to do with women recognizing that they are allowed to have personal boundaries as they get older and arent willing to compromise them to some ass clown that messaged them on a dating site.

IMO, this is just one more way that woman are demanding their boundaries be respected and men who are used to women being "nice" and accepting this sort of crass behaviour, are now frustrated that their "needs" arent being met.

This thread is a perfect example of that. If a woman isnt interested in chatting with a stranger about her sexual habits, she is automatically cringing or has issues about sex and her sexuality. It couldnt possibly be that the OP just has the social graces of a billy goat...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Divorce frustration
Posted: 4/15/2013 10:57:02 AM
I have said over and over how important marriage is to me, and he likes the idea of it, but says now is not the time to ‘upset people’ (ie his children, and other family) by getting a divorce, and he keeps changing the subject.


1. we know that what is important to you is not important to him....


He and his wife are both catholic, and divorce doesn’t sit well with him, although clearly his relationship with me must have gone against his values.


2. you know that he is a hypocrite that is willing to use his religion to bolster one part of his behaviour but clearly ignores it when it comes to another part of his behaviour....


My friend says I will push him too hard, and that he has made a massive commitment to me by moving in with me


3. Clearly he is willing to take all the good parts of being with you and reaping the benefits of being with you, but is unwilling to go through the hard stuff of cleaning up his mess of a life...


but this problem (for me) keeps coming up at about monthly (yes, it’s probably hormonal) intervals.


4. I think you need to develop some respect for yourself and what your needs are in this relationship rather than dismiss them with such a derogatory thought process towards your self...


I wondered whether anyone could offer any opinions?


5. I am trying real hard to see what is attractive about a man that refuses to clean up his previous marital mess, a man that uses his religious beliefs to excuse some of his behaviour but then conveniently ignores those beliefs when it is inconvenient. A man that is more worried about upsetting his current wife and pretty much adult children than the woman he supposedly loves now. ...


Please help me with all the great character traits he has other than these pretty miserable ones...

Also please explain why you are so desperate to be with this mess of a person that you are willing to deny your needs and beliefs to have this sort of relationship of convenience for him? Becasue that is what you seem to be describing here...

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I have to concur with this as well. Better than a hotel or flopping on his friends couch in the rec room...Or perhaps he used up all those options and now is living with OP out of need rather than want...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Kinda have a crush on a good friend
Posted: 4/12/2013 12:49:34 PM
Does she know you are now single? Because if she does and she hasnt made any attempt to contact you or flirt with you at all, I would guess that she isnt interested.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Relationships Today
Posted: 4/12/2013 12:08:23 PM

Yes it was inconsiderate of you. I think he was sweet to be worried about you and I think he was hurt that you did not seem to miss him at all. Being in a relationship, one should try to lessen their selfishness and begin to see and appreciate his feelings. I would be willing to bet you would have been upset if the roles were reversed, and if not, maybe you just don't care enough about this guy. JMHO


Ok this is just simply ridiculous, the OP was not in a war zone, she wasnt traversing the Arctic on skis, she wasnt in the Baja 500 road race, she went to visit family for a couple days, and he knew exactly where she was. He had no reason to be worriied about her, and for crying out loud, not texting someone to let them know they are OK when there is no reason to think they arent OK is not being selfish. It is being a rational human being.

Just because some people have a "need" to have someone contantly thinking and worrying about them as some sort of sign of love and commitment, it doesnt mean someone who isnt that emotionally weak doesnt care enough about someone. To some people having to check in all the time because someone has an irrational need isnt seeing it as "sweet"...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 170 (view)
 
Steubenville rape case
Posted: 4/12/2013 9:38:43 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But we dont call these men sluts and whores and do whatever it takes to not prosecute those that assaulted these men now do we? Hiding behind some moral hi handedness about how they should have known better or better yet, try to mitigate away the assault by blaming the victim for driving a car they should have known would be attractive to these criminals, or by having a wallet to begin with as some sort of blame shift away from the perpetrators.


I have to wonder if the fact that some men do get angry and frustrated when it comes to getting their sexual needs met that they empathize with the male doing the assault, so they try to minimize what happened in order to justify their own feelings, because that would mean they are just as bad as those doing the assault.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 168 (view)
 
Steubenville rape case
Posted: 4/12/2013 7:36:28 AM
Well I suggest that we then start to use this sort of logic for when men start to get mugged for their wallets or when this idea starts to catch on, we can then blame men for having a nice car for being shot in a car jacking. Or perhaps home invasions can now be defended with this mentality. I mean isnt that the same thing that some of these men are suggesting. That this young girl flaunted what she had and when those poor, helpless little boys were sooo overcome by their desires for what she had, they cant be held responsible for what she "made" them do with all her whorish behaviour.

So to the gentlemen that support the she was partially responsible theory, are you ready for getting a taste of your own medicine when you get mugged because you were wearing a $200 coat or when you get carjacked and shot driving you nice car? Still going to feel the same way about culpability?
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 125 (view)
 
acting in adult films
Posted: 4/12/2013 7:28:59 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly



<div class='quote'>If anyone approached me later and said 'hey, I saw you in...' I'd just shrug and say 'and you were watching it!'

Yup, and let us know how well that will work out for you when you are in a job inteview and your past career comes up...

The reality is that while many men like porn and will support any woman who wants to get into it for their own selfish ends, an employer or potential client doesnt have to accept your past careers or be open minded as to whether or not they want their legal counsel to be the woman that "starred" in porn films and is known for her girl on girl action, or that they want their Manager of International Business Deveopment to have been known for her abiltiy to take one in every orifice in that XX movie she made 2 years ago to get through college. If anyone is naive enough to think that people will not have a hard time seeing past your porn career you are fooling yourself. Look around at these forums, most men will want to go out with you based on your porn career because they see you in only one dimension, a sex toy, what makes you think that isnt going to happen to you later on when your boobs are too saggy to make porn. You make choices and people have the right to form an opinion on you based on those choices. Like it or not, that is the way the world really works.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 185 (view)
 
How valued are men?
Posted: 4/12/2013 7:13:22 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ok, so how about we do the same for all you men out there that think they have it sooooo bad, so next time you go to a hospital, only the male nurses can help you, hell we can now exclude all the female Dr's as well. Then we will then take away all of the women that teach your children, that support your lonely old asses in the nursing homes, then we will move on to those women that cook your food, clean your houses and do all of the crappy clerical and factory work work that many men are too manly to do, but seem to have some odd entitlement that they are still entitled too without acknowledging who is doing it.

You can have your once in a life time even to hold up as some sort of "truth", the next time some extremists fly planes into a building, (all men by the way) you can say I told you so all you want. In meantime you can go through life looking through all the women out there that do jobs that help you in so many ways because they arent manly enough to be recognized or valued.

You want to be valued? You get what you give in this life.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 47 (view)
 
aaaarrrrgggghhhh!
Posted: 4/11/2013 12:57:55 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well just because some men dont have too many boundaries in regards to their relationships, it certainly doesnt mean those that do are ****es. The seperated guy is not all that seperated now is he? He still has way too many ties that he is unwilling to sever, he is the one creating the drama, so why should someone have to accept the drama? And if they dont they are ****es?
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Strange Relationship
Posted: 4/10/2013 8:18:46 AM

Hey Dragon....my insecurities come from my past. As a child, it was expected (demanded) that I excel in everything. I have maintained that and am a perfectionist as a result. I do not, repeat, do NOT expect my partner to be "perfect", however. Quite the contrary. You are right, maybe I should go back to my "old ways" and have a "fallback" or two. That would ease the pain some but would not be fair to the "fallback" person.


Well I hardly think that you are in a position to know how you come across to other people. The very fact that you have glossed over your issues and focussed entirely on hers implies that you dont think you have been part of the problem.

Please enlighten us about how your one time incident came about and what exactly happened?
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 163 (view)
 
How valued are men?
Posted: 4/10/2013 8:05:35 AM
What I think is happening here is that many men are projecting how they see and value women into the argument. Because historically men have seen women as a vehicle for their needs: Sex, domestic work, heirs and children to further advance security, political advantage. Women were viewed as chattell and used like live stock. Hell, talk to most men and a large percentage see women as what is between their legs and what that means to a man. They only value a vagina, some dont even care who that vagina is attached to, that is how little they respect women.

So now that some men are now seeing their value as diminishing even below that of women ( Oh the horror!) it is no wonder that they are assuming that they will now be treated much like women have been for the past couple thousand years and it frightens the hell out of them. Ironically where many women have posted in this thread that they dont see men that way, and that they do value and want men to be in their lives but in a slightly different capacity now, these men still dont accept that most women arent hell bent on repayment for the last few thousnad years...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 15 (view)
 
cold calling
Posted: 4/2/2013 1:36:02 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No what she is saying is that you should be realistic and not take minimal/marginal eye contact in a public place as an indication of interest and start making up scenarios in your head of how she is mutually interested in you.

Nowhere in the OP is there an indication of anything other than random eye contact, (that too could be considered debateable) with a stranger at a hockey arena. For all we know, she was looking at her husband across the arena and the OP was seated in an area that intersected her line of sight. So in all truth this woman did nothing that indicated an openess to having a stranger approach her with a romantic purpose. I cannot understand how the OP could take that minimal "interaction" as an indication or sign of anything other than indidental contact.

This is the kind of sillyness that can cause some women to avoid making any sort of contact in a public place, on the off chance that some stranger interprets a casual glance as an indication of interest.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Do I Tell My Good Friend How I Really Feel About Her?
Posted: 4/2/2013 9:42:31 AM

So first, take a good long and honest look at yourself. Are you really falling for her, or is there a chance she's just a really good fall back position for what you really want in a mate?

Don't say a damn thing, until you get the nervous twitches out of your system, and have actually made up your mind that it's HER you want, and not just someone like her.

Make sure you ARE willing to lose the friendship. Not because you absolutely have to, but because anything less would mean you really aren't near as serious about her as your wishful thinking has led you to believe.



I have to agree with Igor on this, I think that after striking out, some of those that were intially dismissed start to look really good when the pickings are a little more slim than originally believed.

I think that while it is possible for this to be a good match, I think most of the times it is really about going with Igor is describing.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 50 (view)
 
Do you believe in typical gender roles?
Posted: 3/22/2013 10:26:32 AM
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/17/174301855/female-soldiers-face-tough-switch-from-front-lines-to-homefront

Gender roles ARE changing, whether people want them to, or not - this story aired on the radio this morning - I found it very interesting how women retired combat vets tend to WANT to transition AWAY from their military lives when they get back - to embrace the feminine again, wear dresses and stuff like that.

Female vets of active combat -their reaction IS going to be different than the traditional male roles, and we really don't know what that will clearly be - because this is still very new territory.


I will check this out but I will also suggest that since the military is such a hyper "male" system, that any thing less than always being in hyper, chest thumping competition mode would be awfully attractive. And we all know that we only see things as feminine or masculine, so wanting to be in anything other than that hyper, over compensatingly male mode is automatically labelled as feminine.

Again, this goes to my opinion that we still as a society still look at the traditional male way of doing things as the only and right way, and anything else is feminine and undersireable or weak.

All I can say is that I dont feel "feminine or masculine", I just feel like me. The only time that it comes up in conversation is when someone else is trying to pudh me into a box so they can label me....


It is not a study that suggests women go back home and cook. The problem is society has to make the adjustment that women do belong in the workforce. A long way to go, and it will eventually even out I believe, but for now there is an imbalance.


I truly think that the only adjustment being made here was by women only because many men still do not want to become part of the family team dynamic and help carry the load that comes with having children. So it wasnt about society adjusting, it was women avoiding the overwhelming responsibilty of 8-10 hours in the working world, the coming home for another 8-10 hours of their "other job".

I can only imagine how that was magnified in a classically traditional culture such as Italy, its no wonder many women said screw it, I am not going to put my self through that.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 63 (view)
 
chemical imbalance
Posted: 3/21/2013 11:47:35 AM

She kind of casually mentioned that she takes meds for a chemical imbalance, and that they increased her to "a really heavy dose".


Sounds to me like she was trying to have a conversation about what ever it is that she is dealing with and the OP either didnt care or is incapable of having a conversation.


It's hard to make an informed decision without all the facts being presented beforehand, after all, and I think I'd want all, or at least a goodly portion, of those types of facts up front. Especially since the person in question managed to slip them into conversation, which I'd doubt happened accidentally. There's a whole gamut of responses that would be available to such a question, so I'd want the straight facts right off the bat were it me. JMO.


I agree, and that is not unreasonable, but clearly the OP didnt want to have that conversation even when she lead him to the stream to drink, but has absolutely issue now coming in here and throwing around terms like crazy and loony bin like confetti, and speculating wildly about her condition. IMO, it doesnt matter how crazy she is, I think the OP should leave her alone as he is clearly carrying a lot of baggage himself about this issue and I think it wont matter one bit until he deals with his issues.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 48 (view)
 
Steubenville rape case
Posted: 3/21/2013 11:04:32 AM

And you are inadvertently blaming the victim. Girls who see themselves only in the context of male sexuality and have less pride for what is in their heads than what is between their legs are not responsible for brutal, violent acts committed by other people.


I am in no way blaming the victim, she did nothing wrong and what frustrates me is the way young girls see themselves only in a sexual context and become part of the culture that encourages that point of view without even realizing it.

If I correctly understood what was reported, apparently this girl wasnt even sure herself that what had happened to her was considered a crime, how the hell did we allow this mindset to come about that a young girl, who was gang raped wasnt even sure if a crime had been committed or if she should tell someone what had happened to her? It is unfathomable to me that she was confused about it. Not that she was afraid, that she wasnt sure if multiple individuals raping her when she was passed out is bad? That she had so little regard for her own personal boundaries that she was actually confused about it. Where has this mindset come from?

Why are there so many other young women attacking her rather than the rapists? How any other young woman could even for a second think that what happened to that girl, and the fact that she went to the authorities was wrong, makes me sick to my stomach. Yet look at all of them attacks from other girls in the community, this is what I mean when I say that these girls are helping to create the environment that this happened in, not the victim.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Women judging you by the company you keep
Posted: 3/21/2013 10:43:06 AM
I dont know, maybe its just me but if pretty much every person I met found my friends so offensive that they refused to have anything to do with me, I would probably start to ask myself if I needed to review my criteria for choosing friends and why I clicked so well with them, not too mention why I felt such a childish attachment that I would be willing to jeopardize my potential for a great realtionship for them? I get a little whiff of a little dog wanting to hang out with the big dogs in the air here....


I'm never giving up my friends for any female. They've stuck by me for a long time, but if its true that females perceive me the way they do my friends, how should I go about showing that even though I hang out with these guys, I'm not like them?


Thats a lovely sentiment and just keep reminding yourself when you cant get a date for love or money, that you have some childish bro's before ho's code going on. If you know these guys are the douche bags that these women say they are, do you really think that they would have the same loyalty to you and would be willing to lead a celibate life for you? Somehow I doubt it, but keep the code going...
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 21 (view)
 
*facepalm*.
Posted: 3/21/2013 10:29:05 AM

It sounds like in the dating situation you are now worried that he won't like you--you're looking for his approval.


I agree with this, when you are with your friends, you already know they like you and clearly find you acceptable, but with a romantic interest, they dont have that insight into you and their opinion matters in a different way.

Dont change, dont feel that you cant be yourself, if they dont like you for who you are, thats OK. Its not the end of the world.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Steubenville rape case
Posted: 3/21/2013 9:08:12 AM

I don't know who will agree with me, if anyone, but I see this as very much a thing of THIS time: following a period of a couple of decades during which this kind of mentality subsided somewhat--or at least some people were speaking against it--we are SO living in a culture which supports the notion that women's bodies--especially young women's bodies--are there to BE accessible to men.


I completely agree and since most young women's only power is percieved to be their body, they allow themsleves to be completely undermined by using it as a currency. When you talk to many young women they see using their sexuality as controlling their enviromnet and protesting what they see as the evils of feminism, without any clue that this is a game they will never win, that using their sexuality is them actually losing not winning, and inadvertently helping to create the environment that these types of incidents occur in. I wish young women would stop seeing themselves only in the context of male sexuality, and have as much pride for what is in their heads as between their legs.

I have had real trouble posting on this, my emotions range from fury, disgust, futility, exasperation. I see this as no different than what happened in India where that girl was gang raped and died. I imagine many of the residents of that town shook their heads and muttered something about that never happening in the US, that we dont treat women like that over here, only in "those" countries, all high up from their position of moral superiority. Oh the irony...
 
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