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 Chiny®™©
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Iran the new Iraq - lets get 'em
Posted: 3/12/2010 7:10:30 PM
Wonders never cease and there are some beauties on these boards but I guess given the age of those professing an abundance of knowledge only reinforces the adage that “wise men talk because they have something to say and fools talk because they have to say something”. But I wonder if we had all spent our formative character building years, when our views/personalities were being formatted in prep for adult life, if we too had come under the overwhelming influence of such immortal greats as Chuck Norris, Arnold Schwarzenegger or dare I say it (hush now)...Ronald Reagan...or worse still the three amigos aka Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, if we too would have been so awe-inspired or maybe more correctly.....bamboozled by our gullibility?


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This mantra is exactly that. No one has come up with anything close to proving this assertion, beyond repeating what the Trotskyist idiots I meet on the street sometimes peddle in their magazines.


Western interference, intervention and avarice in South-west Asia goes back many years to well before countries such as the US, Australia, New Zealand or Canada even existed in their present form. The meddling started for religious reasons at first, vis-à-vis Islamic control of Palestine of which many successive Roman Catholic Popes found horrifying leading to the despatch of European Crusader Armies to conquer the land. Since 1948 with the formation of Israel, regional conflict has blown out to blanket the entire world with fear and is the root cause behind the present destabilisation of the region turning it into a carcinogenic lesion of pustules erupting and infecting the rest of the world.

In 1908 William Knox D'Arcy, a British subject whom had been granted exploration rights discovered the region’s first significant oil deposits in Iran, he then formed The Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC, renamed BP at a later date) to exploit the find, making religion although still high on the Western agenda, take a second seat.

In 1914 prior to the start of World War I, the British Gov’t purchased 51% of APOC shares establishing a toehold and well-nigh colonising the southern west corner of Iran, then started to directly and indirectly interfere in the political affairs of Iran. There was a great deal of civil unrest and dissatisfaction with the British puppet Shah and his Gov’t. In 1944 Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh was elected with overwhelming support to represent Tehran in the 14th Majles (the Majles is the Iranian Parliament). During his tenure in the Majles, Mossadegh passionately fought for Iran's political and economic independence from foreigners, including addressing the highly unfair oil agreement with the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, a goal for which he was receiving more and more popular support.

For the next half-century, APOC pumped out hundreds of millions of dollars worth of oil from Iran. As APOC possessed the controlling monopoly it only paid annual royalties of 16% to Iran from profits of the Iranian’s own oil, cheating them of their rightful share. But it was Iranian oil that maintained Britain at its level of prosperity and its level of military preparedness all throughout the ‘30s, the ’40s, and the ’50s. Unsurprisingly, as a direct result of the inequity nationalist ideas flourished and spread through the country in the post-World War II era. Throwing fuel on the fire of an ever burgeoning population of underprivileged the injustice came to grate more and more intensely on the Iranian people increasing the popularity of Mossadeghs ideas.

APOC also treated it’s Iranian oil workers with contempt paying wages of a measly 50cents per day, providing desert areas for mining camps that the workers had to construct themselves from scrap lumber and sheath in metal obtained by opening old 44 gallon oil drums and hammering them flat and all of this was capped off with racist beliefs that the Iranian people were of an inferior breed to the British. It all came to a head in July 1946 when about 6,000 Iranian oil workers went on a strike at the Agajari Oil Fields. Their clash with the Shah’s Gov’t troops and criminal gangs that the British had recruited to assist the troops resulted in more than 200 dead and wounded workers. Numerous anti Shah and anti Gov’t demonstrations, general unrest amongst the populace continued throughout Iran.

Mossadegh first presented the idea of nationalisation of the oil industry to the Majles mandated Oil Commission on the 8th March, 1951. On the eve of the Iranian New Year on the 20th March, 1951 the bill for oil nationalisation received the final approval from the Senate, only a few days after unanimously being approved by the Majles deputies. A month later, Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh was nominated for the position of Prime Minister, which he won by votes of nearly 90% of the representatives present.

With nationalisation the British were relieved of their very profitable misbegotten oil fields. In reply, the British Gov’t imposed economic sanctions on Iran and threatened Iran with a military offensive. In June 1951, the Iranian government discovered a British spy network that revealed subversive activities by a large number of Iranian politicians and journalists, including communists who were receiving bribes from the British Gov’t and the AIOC. The British having invalidated the diplomatic status of their embassy by openly interfering in the internal political affairs of the host country resulted in the Iranian Gov’t closing their mission and declaring all British staff persona non grata forcing their immediate return home. London was awestruck at this development and of the nerve of the Iranians; it was unheard of, outrageous, we are British!

The British Gov’t, looking for support, took their case to the United Nations for a hearing in 1951. Premier Mohammad Mossadegh travelled to New York to personally defend Iran's right to nationalise its oil industry before the UN Security Council. He gave a dramatic and successful presentation, demonstrating that Britain's annual oil profits in 1950 alone were more than what it paid to Iran during the entire previous half century. The British had also presented their dispute with Iran to the International Court in The Hague. The battle of this old man, whom was prone to tears and fainting spells a descended remanent of a previous Kajar Royal Persian dynasty, a virtual unknown in the West was shaping up as the mouse that dared to roar at the British lion and was increasingly coming to the attention of the western media so much so that 1951's biggest news - the volatile situation in Western Asia – also saw Premier Mohammad Mossadegh of Iran voted in as “Man of the Year” and placed on the cover of Time Magazine. Among the many that were under consideration along with Mossadegh for the Time Award, was General Douglas MacArthur and Sir Winston Churchill, but Mossadegh stood out the most for his David versus Goliath battle.

In June 1952, Mossadegh travelled to The Hague and presented nearly 200 documents to the International Court regarding the highly exploitative nature of the British Gov’t and the AIOC and the extent of its political intervention into the Iranian political system. The court adjourned to decide their verdict at a later date and so Mossadegh returned to Tehran where he encountered continuous difficulty in dealing with the deteriorating economic and security conditions that were being worsened by increasing subversive activities of foreign powers and their agents. In a July 1952 meeting with Shah Mohammad Reza, who headed the military, Mossadegh requested control of the armed forces but was refused. Mossadegh felt that because of the Shah’s refusal he was left with no other option but to resign as Prime Minister.

The following day, the Shah, at the behest of the British Gov’t working through their still unidentified operational undercover agents, appointed Ghavam Saltaneh as Prime Minister. Ghavam Saltaneh took a hard line, further angering the people who had come out to the streets in support of Mossadegh. In the largest street protest on the 20th July 1952, security forces clashed violently with the demonstrators, resulting in hundreds of casualties.

The Shah, witnessing the profundity of the people's support for Mossadegh, became exceedingly distraught and changed course appointing Mossadegh to the dual role of Prime Minister and Minister of Defence. The British on hearing of the Shah’s back down were infuriated.

Ironically, on the same day the International Court at The Hague voted in favour of Iran and against the British in their dispute and it was followed by the U.N. Security Council who also rejected of the British claim. Mossadegh was at the height of his power and popularity, hailed as a hero not only in Iran, but in the greater region of Western and Central Asia (Middle East).

As leader of Iran, Mossadegh sponsored laws for a “clean government” and independent court systems, defended freedom of religion and political affiliations and promoted free elections. He implemented many social reforms and fought for the rights of women, workers, and peasants. His policies were frequently opposed by the Shah, Army Generals, leading Clerics, land owners and the governments of Britain and the USA. Nevertheless, Mossadegh could always rely upon the support of the people.

Meanwhile, the British with their embassy in Tehran closed, continued in a pact with the US Gov’t and their still open embassy, to undermine Mossadeghs authority by inciting division in the country, tightening the worldwide embargo on the purchase of Iranian oil, freezing Iranian assets and threatening Iran with invasion by amassing a British Naval force in the Persian Gulf. When all attempts failed and with Mossadeghs increasing popularity in the region and example of good governance that was lessening British influence and power in the region, Britain concluded that "Mossadegh had to go" by any means necessary and so in partnership with the US-CIA, they plotted a coup to overthrow his democratically elected government.

On the 15th August 1953, with participation of the Shah and their Iranian collaborators, a CIA drafted plan codenamed Operation Ajax, headed by Kermit Roosevelt (the , son of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt), went into action, but it failed to dislodge Mossadegh from power. In the second attempt on the 19th August 1953 the violent overthrow of the government was accomplished. Mossadegh escaped capture, but his home was invaded, looted and burned to the ground. The following day Mossadegh surrendered to authorities and was imprisoned. During this bloody episode, many thousands were killed or wounded. Followers of Mossadegh were arrested, imprisoned, tortured or murdered. Mossadeghs Foreign Minister, Dr. Hossein Fatemi went into hiding but was captured a few months later. He was beaten, stabbed and after a show trial executed by a firing squad.

Tried as a traitor in a military court, on the 19th December 1953, Mossadegh pronounced to Iran and the world;

"Yes, my sin....my greater sin....and even my greatest sin is that I nationalised Iran's oil industry and discarded the system of political and economic exploitation by the world's greatest empire. ...This at the cost to myself, my family; and at the risk of losing my life, my honour and my property. ...With God's blessing and the will of the people, I fought this savage and dreadful system of international espionage and colonialism.
......I am well aware that my fate must serve as an example in the future throughout the Middle East in breaking the chains of slavery and servitude to colonial interests."


He was placed in solitary confinement for three years followed by house arrest for the remainder of his life in his ancestral village of Ahmad Abad. On March 5th, 1967, Mohammad Mossadegh died at age 85, one year after the passing of his beloved wife of 64 years.

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, was returned to the Iranian Peacock Throne in August 1953 for the purpose of returning Western control of Middle Eastern oil supplies. New agreements with the Shah gave Britain 40% and a new player, the United States 40% of total Iranian oil production leaving only 20% of their own oil for Iran of which the Shah squandered on himself, high tech toys for the military to keep them on side and the upper class Iranian elite. The societal needs of the vast majority of Iranians were ignored and social infrastructure left to crumble as the wealth was being drained from the land for the benefit of foreigners.

The US/UK nexus had successfully brought down the one and only progressive thinking, democratically elected, secular gov’t in the region for the sole purpose of feathering their own nests through the ill begotten exploitation of the Iranian oil deposits with a total lack of sympathy or slightest interest in the needs of the Iranian people. It also set an example to other nations in the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia and others whom the US/UK nexus also exercised suzerainty over and whose oil is also required to maintain the life styles and economies of the suzerain US and UK states. Additionally it signalled the beginning of the United States active participation in the Western and Central Asia and other parts of the world in their global oil security requirements and in serving the needs of US Corporate Business enterprises.

For the next 25 years the Iranian people were forced to contend with abject poverty and brutal subjugation for which they increasingly turned to the religion. In the Islamic Madrasah schools the people asked for guidance, support and help. One of the leading lights in the clergy was the Imam Khomeini, who was anti-secularism and anti-Western. Khomeini denounced the Shah and listed the various ways in which the Shah had violated the constitution. Khomeini condemned the spread of moral corruption in the country and called the Shah out for submitting to America and Israel. Khomeini was finally deported firstly to Iraq, then Turkey, then back to Iraq then in 1978 Iraqi Vice-President Saddam Hussein advised him to move on and Khomeini ended up in France. He had been out of Iran for a total of 14 years. In 1979 the people rose amass and rallied against the Shah who fled to Egypt, then Morocco, then the Bahamas, then Mexico and then to the USA where he underwent treatment for cancer before finally dying on 27th July 1980 in Cairo, Egypt. Khomeini returned to a tumultuous welcome, he was made Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic if Iran, he died of a heart condition on 3rd June 1989.

Of relevance to this topic, in 1951 an old US soldier, General Douglas MacArthur, still regarded by millions of US citizens as the country’s number 1 hero, delivered a speech to the US Congress that contained a very statesmanlike passage;


Asian peoples, MacArthur said, would continue to drive for independence from the West and for material progress and this drive "may not be stopped." The U.S. must "orient its policies in consonance with this basic evolutionary condition, rather than pursue a course blind to the reality that the colonial era is now past and the Asian peoples covet the right to shape their own destiny. What they seek now is friendly guidance, understanding and support, not imperious direction; the dignity of equality, and not the shame of subjugation."


Ultimately, material growth and national sovereignty are both classic US precepts, the basic foundation’s on which the US nation was built and stood for. MacArthur wanted the U.S. to face those facts and build a policy upon them. On the contrary, the U.S. Gov’t still heavily influenced by their doctrine of “Manifest Destiny” - a belief that professes white Anglo-Saxon destiny to rule the world - was appalled by MacArthur’s speech and promptly rejected it.

Charles Malik, Lebanon's great delegate to the U.N., put it sombrely and succinctly;


"Do you know why there are problems in the Near East? Because the West is not sure of itself." The East would be in turmoil until the West achieved enough moral clarity to construct a just and fruitful policy toward the East.


During the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran the U.S. involvement in the earlier fall of Mossadegh was never publicly acknowledged and remained a secret unknown to the US public, instead they were told of the US’s innocence and the Iranian’s were demonised as barbaric Muslims, murderers and hostage takers attacking their embassy in Tehran. It wasn’t until an article in the New York Times of March 2000, when the then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright announced to the world admitting that “The coup was clearly a setback for Iran’s political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs.” That admission by Secretary Albright was later acknowledged as a fact of history by newly elected President Barack Obama.


In his book “All the Shah’s Men” US author and journalist Stephen Kinzer argues that “It is not far-fetched to draw a line from Operation Ajax [the name of the coup] through the Shah’s repressive regime and the Islamic Revolution to the fireballs that engulfed the World Trade Centre in New York.” The goal of our coup was to overthrow Prime Minister Mossadegh and place the Shah back in his throne. And we succeeded in doing that. But from the perspective of decades of history, we can look back and ask whether what seemed like a success really was a success. The Shah whom we brought back to power became a harsh dictator. His repression set off the revolution of 1979, and that revolution brought to power a group of fanatic anti-Western, religious clerics whose government sponsored acts of terror against American targets, and that government also inspired fundamentalists in other countries including next door, Afghanistan, where the Taliban came to power and gave sanctuary to Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

So, I think you can--while it’s always difficult to draw direct cause and effect lines in history--see that this episode has had shattering effects for the United States. And let’s consider one other of the many negative affects this has had. When we overthrew a democratic government in Iran 50 years ago, we sent a message, not only to Iran, but throughout the entire Middle East. That message was that the United States does not support democratic governments and the United States prefers strong-man rule that will guarantee us access to oil. And that pushed an entire generation of leaders in the Middle East away from democracy. We sent the opposite message that we should have sent. Instead of sending the message that we wanted democracy, we sent a message that we wanted dictatorship in the Middle East, and a lot of people in the Middle East got that message very clearly and that helped to lead to the political trouble we face there today.


http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 13 (view)
 
RELIGION AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
Posted: 3/8/2010 9:24:53 AM
These things are all relevant to the Jewish people and their blood kin of the greater Semitic peoples of South-western Asia. They were written specifically addressing the Children of Abraham whom are descended from his first two sons Ishmael and Isaac. Abraham’s other six sons are also included and all of Abraham’s Children are referred to as belonging to The Greater Semitic Region, the area of which is restricted to their small corner of the world, known as South-western Asia.

The holy scripts of their faith are not inclusive of the many thousands of other human tribes that existed at all parts of the planet, but are not blood kin of Abraham and thus not of the Semite People. That many of those “other” tribes have disregarded their own indigenous religious faiths and adopted the faith of the Semite People, does not equate to automatic acceptance by the God of Abraham, as in adopting an alien faith to their own they have had to adapt it to fit into their own cultures. That adaption has led to a twisting, a corruption of the original word which only serves to exclude them from it as the God of Abraham forbids any editing plus or minus of His original word.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Consciousness: How will we define it?
Posted: 3/8/2010 8:37:22 AM

Leaving metaphysics and theology behind for a moment, as we can all come up with a personal belief system of innumerable variance, how do you think consciousness will be scientifically defined once, if ever, it is defined?


IMO - Consciousness to me is a sentient attribute of the human brain that is not measurable, not quantifiable, not palpable and not spiritual. It’s of an ethereal construct, meaning it’s not made of molecules thus it’s not a physical entity that can exist outside the brain independent of the body and thusly will cease to exist when the body dies.
No.....I don’t believe that a consciousness can be defined or characterised as the mythological “human spirit” of a corporeal human that departs on death to some other mythical place of extreme pleasure or even pain.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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American al-Qaeda Arrested
Posted: 3/7/2010 11:33:10 AM

He is the first American to be actually charged with treason for 50+ years. Should a death sentence be sought ?


Gadahn, who is also known by various aliases, including Yahya Majadin Adams and Azzam al-Amriki, grew up on a goat farm in Riverside County, California, and converted to Islam at a mosque in nearby Orange County


Adam Yahiye Gadahn
Born Adam Pearlman.......but isn't that a Jewish name? Perhaps you have a better resource regarding the ethnicity of names?
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 79 (view)
 
Lets Play God !!!
Posted: 3/6/2010 9:43:14 AM
I’m sure people aren’t really cold hearted little Nazis; it’s just that in writing we don’t hear tone or see the look in their eyes or facial expressions the all important factors of human communication. Animals like dogs for instance, can understand our meaning just from our tone and facial expression without understanding a word of English. All we see is the written word minus the emotive factors which makes it easy to come across in a completely different demeanour that plus our prior general ambience whether it’s up or down, can also impose itself onto what we are reading making misinterpretations all the more possible.
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This thread kinda reminds me of Will Smith’s movie titled “7 Pounds” of a couple of years ago. Have you seen it? The story’s about this guy played by Will, who wrests with a guilty conscience after causing the death of 7 people, including his girlfriend, that were lost in an accident that he caused while looking at his mobile and driving at the same time. In order to atone for the 7 innocent lives that were lost, he decides to donate 7 of his organs. He devises an elaborate plan where he “lifts” his brother’s official Gov’t Income Tax Auditors ID which allows him to “interview” and get to know the people that he has picked to benefit from his organ donations. The story weaves in and out through the lives of his chosen benefactors and their problems as he interacts with each one. Naturally he has to die in order to make the donations and he does that at the end by lowering himself into a bathtub filled with ice cubes (ice cold so when dead his organs remain viable for a longer period) and then tips a bucket of deadly stinging jellyfish in with him. As he is being stung to death, he makes the ambulance emergency call and everything goes to plan.

A compassionate story about human sacrifice and gift of life from one human to another human, I must admit it was a real tearjerker of which I don’t normally watch but this one had me going from the start and I just couldn’t eject it till the I knew the ending.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Knowledge vs Wisdom
Posted: 3/5/2010 1:25:19 AM

"What is the difference between knowledge and wisdom"?


Knowledge "begets" wisdom and wisdom "forestalls" knowledge.

Where;
Begets = To cause to exist or occur, to produce.
and
Forestalls = To deal with or think of beforehand, to anticipate or act in advance of to deal with ahead of time or to think before you act.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Russian/Ukraine girls seem to be after you?
Posted: 3/4/2010 12:22:25 PM

Women born in the US have one major difference...they have US citizenship which is highly coveted by many in other countrie.


Well not only the US, there are many countries that are just as appealing. But those eastern bloc babes are spunks........whoooooweee....spunk-eye – monk-eye!

Ya just need to get used to eating cabbage rollmops, exerciseing extreme control over the flatulent after effects.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Lets Play God !!!
Posted: 3/4/2010 11:58:58 AM
^^^^^^
Yep that’s right Crik.

All Singapore is providing is the operating room facilities and after care/recovery facilities plus the surgical expertise that’s free of ethical inhibitions and doubt re the procedure. I believe surgeons in Australia won’t do the op because of the very high mortality rate of the donor....or was it the receiver....or maybe it was both. There’s the question of ethics as in, is the very high risk of death an acceptable outcome for the donor whom was perfectly healthy prior to the donation/op and the psychological effects of such a death on the surgeons/team performing the op. You could jumble it up with what if the receiver dies as well as the donor or receiver lives but donor dies or receiver dies and donor lives but is now severely impaired and will require medical intervention for the rest of his/her life. They're all very possible outcomes which is probably why many Aussie surgeons won’t do it.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Reverse Evolution
Posted: 2/22/2010 9:11:14 AM

For those who's reaction is , it cant be done remember that there has never been a time that mankind has understood hirself so well and we are progressing


Yep.....too true and the video at the below link tells our story very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCPEeBE8P8k

Yep.... hic.....yas-sir. Cheers
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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INTERPOL puts out Mossad wanted list
Posted: 2/21/2010 8:59:16 AM

Well, I'm not that against certain types of people being eliminated in extrajudicial ways - if they merit it.


Well that would equally apply to both participants in a conflict, wouldn’t it? So it boils down to whose side you are on as to whether the murder is justified or not, but regardless it still falls under state sanctioned murder. If Hamas, the democratically elected governing body of the Gaza Strip, had sanctioned the murder of say, Avigdor Lieberman in that Dubai hotel would your statement above, still stand? It most certainly should if one is going to be consistent with one’s own stated morality in light of the moral turpitude that South-western Asia has become over many years of western interference and avarice.


In the world, one can look the other way and take casualities, or work towards a way eliminate the threat. Isreal's position in such situations is quite clear, and it's within their right to surgically strike against targets that are (by self-admission) working to kill or maim Isreali citizens.


In no way different to the rights and concerns of the citizens of Gaza, the West Bank or even Lebanon for that matter and so again if you are going to be consistent then you would have to apply the same criteria to targets in the Israeli Gov’t. After all it was Israeli Gov’t officials that requested and received a plethora of high tech weapons/missiles and other munitions from the USA that are used in the miserable subjugation of the people in the aforementioned sovereign territories..........clear and present danger those gov’t officials represented is eliminated..........yeah?


It's hard for me to have much sympathy for a man who was part of a process where he helped supply missiles to an orgnization that is willing to fire them blindly int0 civilian areas with the intent to kill innocents.


Oh com’on.........do you really believe the Israeli’s needed phosphorous bombs in the heavily overpopulated Gaza Strip? It’s only 41 kilometres long, between 6 and 12 kilometres wide, with a total area of 360 square kilometres with a population of 1.4 million Palestinians of which 1.0 million are UN-registered refugees with 2,000 to 3,000 Christians suffering there as well. All crammed like sardines into a tiny slither of arid land that has been under a US/Israeli blockade of all its sea, land and air access ports for quite some time now.

The people have no water, food, electricity or medical supplies and NGO aid ships or aircraft and journalists are turned away with some ships coming under Israeli Navel attack including privately funded US aid shipments. In short they are slowly being purposely sacrificed in a hope that the problem will cease to be one if they’re all dead. Need I mention the use of cluster bombs in Lebanon knowing full well that curious Lebanese children would pick them up or the indiscriminate Israeli Air Force attacks on the heavily built up areas of Beirut city?


Counter terrorism isn't a game played by the Marquis de Queensbury rules.


No........but the savagery and outright butchery levelled at the indigenous people of a land in 21st century cannot be endorsed, formally legitimised and hidden from world view just to cater to the needs of the European immigrants that have displaced them. There is a groundswell, particularly in your Nth. America that is seeing through all the lies, propaganda and bigoted vilification, things will change.

Personally I hope Interpol is successful and all the perpetrators are returned to Dubai for justice and the world made “more” aware of the Israeli Gov’t’s nefarious activities.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Evolution.
Posted: 2/20/2010 10:50:36 AM

A better question is "why include a deity at all, since it never actually explains anything?"


The word God is a pretty generic word so which deity? There are so many Gods; every different culture/ethnicity has a different God or multiple Gods. Which one would you pick to represent all, as the creator of all things?

Would you pick one of the Gods of the Americas?
Or one of the Gods of Africa?
Or one of the Gods of East Asia?
Or one of the Gods of Central Asia?
Or the God of West Asia?
Or one of the Gods of Europe?

No reason to suppose that any one is more credible than the other in the “faith” stakes so I guess it’s what suits your fancy or ethnicity. I prefer to yield to the evaluation of the tangible against the intangible of available knowledge in unison with scientific fact and plain old common sense.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Chana Dal
Posted: 2/17/2010 7:32:33 AM
One of my favourites is dahl beef curry.

Cook your dahl the usual way with turmeric etc, then put it to the side. Prepare your favourite beef curry, no veg, but make as dry as you possibly can. When the beef curry is ready, mix in the dahl.

Serve on a bed of basmati rice. Basmati rice is low GI and the only rice that is. But I wreck the GI rating cause I just luv to put a large spoon or two of ghee into the basmati and stir through just before it is fully cooked. Alternatively, instead of plain basmati you can serve it on a bed of pilau rice. A nice accompaniment would be a nice and cold Kela Raita (a yoghurt and cucumber salad).

Sometimes in winter I’ll brew up the normal Indian dahl but add a nice meaty bacon hock and cook till the meat falls off the bone add more water or your fav stock to thin the soup if it gets too thick. Very rich and filling on cold nights and really it’s just a split pea soup with ham but Indian style. (Caution – don’t add salt, the hock is full of it).

Cheers

Oh....try "Aged Basmati" its more expensive but the aroma and taste is 100% better than plain basmati.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Spiritualistic Dogma
Posted: 2/14/2010 12:34:32 PM
Excuse me for butting in but.........


Others have been where we are before, and so by harkening to their wisdom we can better understand where we are, what got us there, and prepare for what might lay ahead.

Taking part in a community of belief simply enriches that breadth and depth of personal experience. The fund of experience is simply that much larger and deeper..........

Eclecticism is always problematic because such is generally based on gross generalizations that equate seemingly similar elements of different cultures, eg. fate, destiny, karma, wyrd, etc., with no appreciation for the informing culture or their idiosyncratic differences. Things are deprived of their proper context and therefore of their full range of meaning, and then with that, technical lingo quickly becomes ... not all that technical anymore. All of a sudden where one word once suffice, one is suddenly having to write entire sentences, paragraphs, and even books.


Yes.....that is excellent and exactly what has been happening to the religions of Asia whether they are West Asian or East Asian in origin. Ever since the Romans forcibly implemented the adoption of the religious philosophies of Jesus, Europeans have been abandoning their own indigenous beliefs like hot turds. Firstly, adopting West Asian beliefs then Central and East Asian beliefs following the dictates of western societal cultural fashion, trouble is they’ve been adopting and then adapting to make the religions correspond and be consistent with European culture of which they were never intended, nor addressed in the original scripts.

The religious beliefs of nomadic desert dwelling Semitic Tribes of South-western Asia, from over 2,000 years ago are idiosyncratic to those Semitic people and are not inclusive of the many other tribes of humans that existed at the same time, either directly adjacent to Semitic lands or at extreme distance to them.

With the passing of 2,000 years since the adoption, pseudo religious practises, formalities and officialdom were created instituted and ingrained into European society to such an extent that they will never come out in the wash, at least not without the risk of some psychosomatic trauma due to any revelation in conflict with what has been ingrained in their psyche for so long a period.
 Chiny®™©
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Goats Milk, any different to cows milk?
Posted: 2/13/2010 5:58:56 PM
Sorry, I can’t help myself so I have to ask...........Why do we (humans), always seek out animal kingdom milk to consume, what’s wrong with our own milk?

What is so “taboo” about human milk?

Doesn’t it sterilise in the same manner as raw animal milk, bring it to the boil then let cool, decant to bottles and refrigerate? Or does it all come down to the perceived indignant embarrassment of the milking process?
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 21 (view)
 
Super Fudge Brownies
Posted: 2/13/2010 8:11:42 AM
Ahh.....thank you.

Snowing? Oh dear, it's a warm 31 degrees Celsius here, the petunias are all blooming and there's a blanket fire ban being enforced, but gas BBQ's are ok.

Cheers
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 19 (view)
 
Super Fudge Brownies
Posted: 2/12/2010 9:04:12 PM

You may substitute melted unrefined coconut oil, kind of costly but sooo good.


Sorry.......substitute coconut oil for what, in your recipe?
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 208 (view)
 
palestinian politics
Posted: 2/11/2010 4:00:03 AM

fissionfusion msg – 204 Israel has been jointly invaded how many times? 3 or 4? I lost track. Anyone condemning them for having nuclear capabilities is kind of a joke.


Israel’s been invaded 3 or 4 times? Well that’s interesting, I wonder if REAL history has a different version?

May – 1948 - Declaration of Israel as the Jewish State; British leave Palestine; Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia declared war on Israel. Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian invasion began. (invasion # 1)

April - 1949 - Armistice - Israel and Arab states agree to armistice. Israel gained about 50% more territory than was originally allotted to it by the UN Partition Plan.

Oct - 1956 – Israel’s Suez Campaign. Israel invades the Sinai Peninsula and occupies it for several months, with French and British collaboration.

June - 1967 – The 6-day war. Israel destroys the Egyptian air force on the ground, invades, conquers and occupies Sinai and Gaza, then invades, conquers the West Bank from Jordan, and invades and seizes Golan Heights from Syria. UN resolution 242 called for Israeli withdrawal and the establishment of peace.

Oct.- 1973 - Yom Kippur War. In a surprise attack on the Jewish Day of Atonement, Egypt retook the Suez canal and a narrow zone on the other side. Syria reconquered the Golan Heights. Following massive US and Soviet resupplying of the sides, Israel succeeded in pushing back the Syrians and threatening Damascus. In Sinai, the IDF crossed the Suez Canal and cut off the Egyptian Third Army. (No invasion of Israel, just taking back of what was forcibly taken by Israel in the previous 1967, 6 day war).

June - 1981 – Israeli Air Force fly’s across the Iraqi border and bombs the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor in a raid carried out in total contempt of sovereignty issues and disregard of international censure.

June - 1982 - Massive Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
1987 through to 1993 was also the First Intifada which was Palestinian uprising against Israeli rule in the Palestinian Territories. The uprising began in the Jabalia refugee camp and quickly spread throughout Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
First Intifada total death toll 1100 Palestinians and 164 Israelis.

Sept – 2000 – to the present/ongoing - Start of the Second Intifada.

Palestinians initiated riots after Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount, which is also the location of Al-Aqsa mosque and Haram as Sharif, holy to Muslims. Violence escalated rapidly from rock throwing to machine gun and mortar fire, suicide bombings and lethal road ambushes, including some incidents instigated by settlers against Palestinians. Israelis killed 15 Israeli Arabs in riots in September/October 2000 and nearly 5,000 Palestinians in retaliatory raids thereafter. Palestinians kill over 1,000 Israelis. Violence continued for several years and abated, but did not end, following the death of Yasser Arafat.
Second Intifada total death toll 4,596 Palestinians and 1,075 Israelis.
March-April 2002 - Israel conducts operation Defensive Shield in the West Bank. The IDF conducted major military operations in all Palestinian cities with the exception of Hebron and Jericho. The major points of conflict were: Bethlehem, Jenin, Nablus and Ramallah. The major action ended in mid-April. At that time, foreign correspondents were allowed to enter most of the battle areas. However, a siege continued for several weeks around the Nativity Church in Bethlehem, where wanted militants had barricaded themselves and hostages. At the end of the action, a total of 497 Palestinians (by UN estimates) died, hundreds were captured and thousands were wounded. 29 Israeli soldiers had died and over 100 were injured. 4,258 Palestinians had been taken prisoner, including 396 wanted suspects.
July - 2004 - International court of Justice (ICJ) rules that the Israeli security barrier violates international law and must be torn down. The barrier encloses Palestinian territory on the Israeli side, de-facto annexing it to Israel. It cuts people off from work, medical services and their fields. In some places it runs through the middle of towns and in front of entrances of houses.
Opponents of the security barrier call it an "Apartheid Wall." It is mostly a chain-link fence, but makes use of prefabricated concrete slabs in built-up areas.
Aug - 2005 - Disengagement - Israeli evacuation of Gaza settlements and four West Bank settlements began on August 15 and was completed August 24.
Sept - 2005 - Last Israeli soldiers leave Gaza. Settlements handed over to Palestinians Sept. 12. Israel also evacuates four settlements in northern West Bank without incident
June – 2006 - Israel begins operation Summer Rains, invades Gaza strip to recover kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit and stop Qassam rocket fire. The whole saga was a hoax; the so called “kidnapped” soldier was in uniform, on duty and well inside Gazan Territory on some untoward special ops when the Gazans took him as a POW. The rockets only recommenced in self defence after Israel had crossed the border effectively re-invading Gaza.
July – 2006 - Israel carried out massive but selective bombing and artillery shelling of Lebanon, hitting rocket stores, Hezbollah headquarters in Dahya quarter of Beirut and al-Manara television in Beirut and killing over two hundred persons, many civilians. Hezbollah responds with several hundred rocket attacks on Haifa, Tiberias, Safed and other towns deep in northern Israel, killing 13 civilians to July 18 and a Hezbollah missile hits an Israeli missile cruiser off the cost of Beirut, killing 4.
Sept - 2007 - Israeli Air Force crosses border into Syria and bombs a “claimed” Syrian nuclear structure. The structure is destroyed. The raid proves that Syria lacks an effective air-defence system.

Numerous skirmishes continue.

Dec - 2008 - Israel launches Operation Oferet Yetzuka (Operation Cast Lead), with continuous air strikes at rocket launching facilities, factories, smuggling tunnels, Hamas command and control centers. About 400 Palestinians are killed by December 31. Hamas broadens rocket strikes to include Israeli towns and cities as far away as Beersheba and Yavneh.

Jan - 2009 - Israel announces unilateral cease fire in Operation Cast Lead, after killing about 1,300 Palestinians and losing a total of 13 Israeli dead. Hamas declares a cease fire later the same day, but sporadic rocket fire continues, along with IDF retaliations.

June - 2009 - UN Human Rights Council investigative panel led by Judge Richard Goldstone enters the Gaza strip to investigate alleged Israeli war crimes. Israel refused to cooperate.
Sept – 2009 - The Panel found many violations in the conduct of Israel (as the main offender) as well as the Palestinians. They are too numerous to list here see link below for full report.
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48_ADVANCE2.pdf

Sources http://www.mideastweb.org/timeline.htm
http://mideastweb.org/second_intifada_timeline.htm

From all of the above I can only see that Israel was invaded once way back in 1948 when it was created against the wishes of the people of the region. All the other hostilities have been instigated by Israel with approval, finance and military logistics provided by the USA. Your allegation that Israel was invaded 3 to 4 times has no basis in historical fact.


fissionfusion msg – 204 Iran had invaded how many times in the last 50 years? I think 3.


Iran has not invaded any country for the past 400 years, including Israel, I checked. I can’t find any information of it invading Israel 3 times in the last 50 years as you allege. Do you have any cites that can be checked for confirmation of your “stated” facts?
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Msg: 9 (view)
 
The REAL democratic movement in Afghanistan?
Posted: 2/9/2010 12:06:42 AM

why is the West not supporting the real democratic movement in Afghanistan as headed up by the brave Malalai Joya?


So the little lady remains resolute and true to her cause but most of all she “lives” much to the angst of her would be assassins. She reminds of “Riverbends” Baghdad Burning messages out of Iraq the narrative which packed a huge emotional punch as the US invaded and then occupied her country. Fortunately Riverbend and her loved ones escaped to the relative safety of Syria escaping her night of the long knives.

Yes....I’ve often wondered why the likes of Angela Merkel, Hillary Clinton, Baroness’s Ashton and Vadera or Julia Gillard have not taken up Malalai Joya’s cause.

See msg 28 - http://forums.plentyoffish.com/12615028datingPostpage2.aspx
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 24 (view)
 
Reverse Evolution
Posted: 2/8/2010 4:08:42 PM
Ahhh........good old “wedge politics” the bastion of those that find egalitarianism an abomination spewed by bourgeois left wing do-gooders from the lower rungs of the imaginary cultural ladder in our society. Political whores such as the likes of right wingers set about to deliberately nurture schisms in the Australian electorate and exploit them for political purposes, wholly based on their idea of the “good old days” of superficial class levels still clung to in the US and UK. Many view the labour situation and their minimum wage of $2.50 per hour with no benefits in the US with envy, compared to our minimum of $14.70 per hour plus benefits such as annual leave etc. which they feel is a burden and overtly generous.

The haves – educated with well paid jobs, 4 bedroom houses, swimming pool, duel garage for duel cars (one being a 4x4 of course), investment properties, annual overseas holidays, lives easy no real significant hardships/stress, just a rollercoaster of fun.
The have-nots – uneducated or only to a certain level, unemployed or working in the blue collar physical grades, renting the investment property off the “haves” and paying it off for them or a subsidised housing commission home, 20 year old car or public transport, judged as a “looser” in the assimilated US vernacular, had a lot of bad luck in their choices in life, living from hand to mouth or pay to pay never actually having enough and in a perpetual struggle on the fringe, on the periphery with some dispirited and broken, losing the will to battle on, instead surrendering to charity and the abuse of controlled substances in pathetic attempts to ethereally escape their physical realities.

Every so often those right of centre, some extremely so, like to roll out this old narrative about how they are burdened with having to carry the weight of those not so fortunate in our society. They avidly stick their snotty little noses in the air and parade as hubristic peacocks in their condemnation the have nots telling tales of how they did without and survived easily without seeking assistance from Gov’t social services and there are a myriad of these austere mythicisational romances that fortify deluded images of the self and validate their belittlement of those that are struggling.

There are many types of people in our society, some poles apart whose misfortunes in life have been left with no other option, but to turn to the Gov’t’s Social Welfare programmes and charitable organisations for help. But those right-wing ostentatious braggarts take great pompous enjoyment in their “present circumstantial status” in lofty hubristic towers of bravado to scold and demonise those not so fortunate in our society and to display as a peacock their championing uber alles a return to the tyrannical days of master and slave. That is the snobbery that mimic’s the same corrupt and dishonest behaviour of the aristocratic scoundrels in D!ckensian novels depicting the hardships of the working class and advocating social reforms more in tune with progressive societies.

These right wingers are fundamentally opposed to the ethics of social justice but I have found that it’s all rhetoric’s to move audiences into action with arguments of ad hominem fallacies and anecdotal evidence of isolated cases designed to make the reader believe that it is the norm instead of the exception. I wonder how many of these peacocks returned their economic stimulus cheques, or demanded child care allowances for their children so they could spend the day at work, or declared themselves to be public patients on admission to hospital so that the public purse would pick up the tab, or only consulted G.P’s that bulk billed, or gleefully accepted heavily subsidised medications off the Pharmaceuticals Benefits Scheme or.............oh for goodness sakes one could go on and on as there are innumerable social welfare schemes that touch and enhance ALL levels in our society. Australia is a duel social/capitalist democracy, where you can be filthy rich or dirt poor and yet some sorts of welfare/subsidies are available to all.

So are we de-evolving?.....(Regressing?).....Probably yes.......backwards as some amongst us would prefer a return to a class structured society with freedoms the reserve of the upper class only, maintaining existing inequalities and or restoring many of the ones lost in time as our human civilisation has progressively enlightened itself with ever increasing enriched humanistic philosophies into the future.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 2 (view)
 
kumquats & other exotic fruits
Posted: 2/6/2010 10:07:50 AM

I picked up some kumquats but eating them plain just doesn't taste right.


Kumquats make a really great marmalade for your breakfast toast. Just use the normal orange marmalade recipe but substitute kumquats for the oranges.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 2 (view)
 
Cooking with Cactus
Posted: 2/6/2010 9:57:26 AM

Way back in the day, some hungry and brave ancestor figured out that cactus can be good to eat!


But wasn't this originally a normal everyday native American food first?
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 7 (view)
 
Large Wild Game recipes and experiences
Posted: 2/3/2010 7:40:59 AM

the deer that was splattered on the road in front of my barn..LOL


Hmm......I used to watch a TV Cooking show about this, I think it was called "The Road Kill Chef" or maybe "Gourmet Road Kill Cooking" , something like that. Anyway this cook spent his day cruising the highways picking up road kill to feast on. Sometimes he'd have to chase away dinars from the natural kingdom in order to get access to the carcass to either drag away whole or if too large, carve off some chunks. Other times the carcass was sufficiently macerated for a spaghetti bolognese or Swedish meatballs if you like? Of course overcooking the meat is a must to kill off any worms, bugs etc and if tainted beyound, I guess you can always over spice to hide the taste and smell. Enjoy...
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 5 (view)
 
Lamb...?
Posted: 1/28/2010 12:09:20 AM
How about a lamb biryani?

Make up your own biryani paste (or a bought pre-made), add diced lamb, add left over rice (if it happens to be basmati that’s even better), warm through and serve garnished with glazed red onions, roasted cashews and slices of boiled egg.

Side dish a vegetable butter stir fry with mustard seeds and saffron.
Condiment, a hot Indian lime or egg plant (brinjal) pickle but a hot sweet pickle will also go with it.
Enjoy with an ice cold
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 68 (view)
 
Are the nephilim and Jesus related ?
Posted: 1/27/2010 11:28:45 AM

Jesus say that we all are His brothers.. why ask whether interpreted titans might have been?
we are all engendered by God, because God is our life: deut 30:20.


Ok......below is the KJV of D-30:20


Deuteronomy 30:20. - That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.


So you’re claiming to be descended from the family of Abraham nee Isaac nee Jacob, have I got that right? In other words you believe yourself to be Jewish as in of Judaism? Nothing wrong with that if that is your belief.

But Abraham had 8 sons, why do you only claim a relation to Isaac through to Abraham? What of the other 7 brothers, Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah? Are they excluded even though Abraham’s blood and DNA flows directly in them?

Consider for a minute, back in time 2,000 years ago, the Roman Emperor Constantine never converted to the teachings of Yeshua and Christianity never became the only religion of the Roman Empire. Where would it/we be today?
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 42 (view)
 
The Conundrum Called The Australian Woman
Posted: 1/25/2010 6:11:35 AM

37. oh come on why would you bother, ozzie women are a pain in the ass, they walk like men, and talk like men and have few traits that make the effort worthwhile...European, or oriental is the way to go.....


Huh?......European women are a better choice than Aussie women?

So I suppose by your reckoning Lucy Liu would be much better than any Chinese woman? Oh no I got it the wrong way round.....correction.....a Chinese woman would be much better than Lucy Liu? Or a French woman would be much better than Celine Dion?
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 26 (view)
 
SPICES
Posted: 1/25/2010 12:04:10 AM
Ahhh.........the quintessence of gastronomic rapture - SPICE – a life lacking would be tedious and a chore.

I buy mine from a retailer that imports direct from Goa, India where the soil is dark and rich in nutrients and the climate perfect. I guesstimate what quantities I need over a period and store in airtight containers. I just love going into the shop, all the spices are displayed and the mingling scents are awesome. You exit the shop reeking like a real pucker Indian as the scents permeate into your cloths and hair. Lol.

For the best results in your end dishes try to buy whole spices, dry roast your personal blend, let cool to room temperature and then blend this will give the optimum flavour and aroma. Aroma is an all important part of the experience and your nose will always tell you what’s good and what’s not before you even see or taste the dish.
When blending you can use a purpose made spice grinder or alternatively a coffee bean grinder but be warned, you probably won’t be able to use the coffee bean grinder for coffee beans anymore unless of course you like Arabic style spiced coffee. Many aficionados will only ever use a mortar and pestle for the blending as they believe electric blenders heat the spices up during the process so as to overcook them thus reducing the quality of the end dish, they may be right.
Cardamom an essential ingredient is one of the many spices best purchased in its whole seed pod form. Dry roasting the seed makes it easier to remove the outer shell which is discarded leaving the internal kernel which is grounded to its powder form the aroma given off in the process is proof enough of a fresh quality product that is spades better than its powdered stale cousin.

The aromatic root spice turmeric I have found to be best in its fresh form as opposed to its powdered form as well. Wear gloves when preparing fresh turmeric or it will take several days for the orange stain to wear off your hands. If it’s really young roots, just wash clean and use without skinning. An el cheapo 50cent toothbrush is perfect for cleaning the root. You will be amazed as the fresh turmeric root is so much sweeter and aromatic then it’s powdered stale cousin. The same applies to ginger and galangal but without the dye that turmeric has.

When lemon is called for I’ve found the whole dried lemon used by the Arabs and Iranians to be exceedingly better than fresh lemons. The drying process must concentrate the flavours even more, I guess. Just remove stalk remains and seeds which tend to be bitter, then grind or pound the whole fruit into a powder and use in your seafood, chicken, pork, lamb, mutton or goat dishes.

The word curry is actually British not Asian and is usually only used by Europeans. In Asia the individual name of each dish is used not the generic British curry. Before the Portuguese introduced the American chilli to Asia some 300 years ago the hotness was gained solely from the indigenous pepper corns. If you have an aversion to chillis or pepper corns don’t use them, you can still make your dishes from any of the plethora of spices minus the hot factor and they still taste bloody good. Just add a chilli hot pickle condiment at the table such as lime, lemon, mango or any of the other packaged hot Indian pickle condiments or even an East Asian condiment such as Thai nam pla with bulk freshly chopped chilli’s in it so dinner guests can adjust the hotness of their meal to their taste.

 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 2 (view)
 
The Jihad against the Infidels
Posted: 1/24/2010 8:11:20 AM
^^^
Yeah well its all over and done with now, put to bed, rectified by the manufacturers themselves. Something to do with fearing a Gov't probe into their dealings with the Gov't's own supply officers.

Besides I very much doubt that Jesus would grant requests to kill or wound His own people.

 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 4 (view)
 
Taliban Getting Money and Jobs
Posted: 1/24/2010 8:02:26 AM

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has told the BBC he plans to introduce a scheme to attract Taliban fighters back to normal life by offering money and jobs.


Great positive engagement and participation in the affairs of their own country.

An excellent alternative way forward and possible get out of jail pass for the US who is digging a deeper hole with the probable requirement for larger troop deployments to maintain a standing strength of boots on the ground, cyclic R & R, natural attrition through serious wounding, psychological breakdown, AWOL’s refusal to serve etc and of course the ever increasing body count.

Unless some sort of face saving withdrawal/escape route is offered all of the above will no doubt culminate in a re-introduction of conscription to ensure that the standing strength required to carry out operations as well as defend themselves is not compromised to the extent where retreat and evacuation plans are set in motion.

Let’s face it; the Afghan people will never capitulate to a foreign invader we all know the history of their resolve against conquest and subsequent enslavement/dependence of which they will never submit. The US in its nexus with the UK has in the past 8 years carried out more evil then Germany did to cause WW2 which lasted only 5 years. The US/UK nexus are the only two powers that are causing this destabilisation of central and western Asia in open hostilities that are increasing global instability and forcing vulnerable nations to seek equivalent defence capabilities such as nuclear weapons.

I for one hope that Karzai (who really is no different than the Taliban), is successful besides the Taliban are Afghans and do have a rightful stake in their own country as any other Afghan has.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 12 (view)
 
weird taste
Posted: 1/22/2010 3:36:00 AM
Was doing the tourist walkabout thing in Manila Philippines back in the 80’s. Marcos was still in power. There were heaps of little eating places, consisting of little more than a counter, a cook, a hotplate and counter stools for customers to sit and eat the freshly cooked delights. I found these tiny eateries a fascinating microcosmic display of Filipino culture but never partook other than to watch from the footpath. Anyway fried eggs seemed to be a fav amongst the locals but I couldn’t believe my eyes when I got up close. They were preparing fertilised eggs! The cook would pick from a selection, shake it a bit too make sure the foetus was well formed and then crack it open over the searing hotplate. Sometimes I’d swear the little partially formed and most ugly chicken foetus would lift its fully discernable head out of the surrounding now superheated bloodied foetal fluids in a vain attempt at escape but it was probably just muscle reactions. Once all the fluids had solidified sufficiently from the frying, the cook would deftly scoop it up with his spatula and place on a small plate in front of the customer who would gulp it down in one foul swoosh. He never chewed, just gulped it down just like the Aliens in “V”, funny that.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 11 (view)
 
Iraq and Moral Punishment
Posted: 1/19/2010 8:59:46 AM
Yes....yes to everything you say!

It’s the blatant self-confident hypocrisy of it all that is so infuriating. Saddam and his cohorts should have been handed over to the International Courts in The Hague and judged there and not in kangaroo courts controlled by the US and the Europeans in Iraq. The reasons for refusing to hand over Saddam and his Captains is a well known secret in the complacency of the US and Europe in his crimes. Fearing wide open de-cloaking of the covert parts they (US/Europe), played in enabling Saddam to prosecute his crimes, they denied The Hague jurisdiction and expedited his trial and sentence in Iraq so as to brush it all under the carpet.

I should expect that at some point in the future; perhaps after the natural deaths of certain key soiled western leaders, that someone will write about the whole sordid web of lies, deceit and politicking in the tragedy that is Iraq and its accompanying unforgivable massive loss of innocent life.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 9 (view)
 
Jesus Rifles in use in Iraq and Afghanistan...
Posted: 1/19/2010 7:07:52 AM

well, *ahem*, given the few thousand years or so of historical conflict between xtianity and islam,


And why is there a “historical conflict”? Aw...gee....could it be something to do with your adoption of “their” family religion? Not happy with just adopting someone else’s beliefs you also had to own it, become it and write yourself into it whilst writing the original believers out?


i personally find the irony rather delicious. and aren't suicide bombers sort of coded with the words of allah by default?


Do you even know the meaning of Allah? Did you know that it’s an Arab word that comes from the ancient Aramaic language? Did you know that the Aramaic and Arabic Allah sound just the same? Did you know that Yeshua only spoke Aramaic and not a word of Hebrew or English? So who else do ya think spoke the word “Allah” in reference to the God of Abraham?


i think i could find more imporant things to get my shorts in a wad about, re the middle east.


I fail to see why you Europeans can’t leave the people of South-western Asia in peace. Re-discover your own original European Gods and leave the Asians alone to worship theirs in peace. If it’s their oil you lust for, than trade for it they will be happy to trade peacefully with you.

Funny thing regarding your use of the words “irony” and “bomber” reminds me of a known fact regarding one of your great leaders whom as a member of the Hitler Youth during WW2 manned an anti-aircraft battery in the defences of Berlin. Who do you think he was shooting at? Now that’s ironic!
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 88 (view)
 
Is the government making people lazy?
Posted: 1/18/2010 10:32:57 AM
Lots of people like to put down those that accept social welfare payments from our Gov’t. Most of these vocal “disapprovers” of our social welfare programmes are usually apologists for US style economics or are closeted receivers of or past clients of Centrelink. I’m not going to bother listing the great number of social benefits that Centrelink administers and distributes to the members of our society, suffice to say that whether you are aware of it or not, Centrelink impacts all parts, all levels of our society from the very richest to the very poorest all have or are in receipt directly or indirectly of a Centrelink administered allowance or subsidy.

This is the infallible “compact”......yes it can be considered a “compact” of the Australian people and their Governments that grew out of the abuses of iron fisted patriarchal overtly religious European societies with their class distinctions and self professed eminence of the elite minority over the masses. Those self anointed elites imposed upon the common people cruelty, war and intentionally engendered poverty, illnesses, hunger and ubiquitous crime. The founders of the new Australian Nation wanted a harmonious, united and “egalitarian” society here in the Asia, Pacific Region of the world remote from Europe and professed that never again should the backs of our people embrace of the kiss of the whip brandished by European tyrants usurping and contemptuous of the people’s needs.

Bloody “commies” some of you will belch and certainly if you subscribe to the Seppo’s view it is, but no, just a society that takes care of its own family members in need, which BTW many other nations look up and aspire to.
Oh yes there are abusers, tis a human trait regardless of what type of society we make for ourselves. But I would suggest that those abusers are a very small portion of the whole cake that at some point will have to pay the tallyman and I refuse to believe that those abusers are on “easy street” because quite frankly even the legit ones are finding it hard to survive. Our welfare system is good, much better than most OECD countries but the bees’ knees it ain’t.

 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 90 (view)
 
Keep Gitmo open!
Posted: 1/16/2010 10:35:09 AM

What changed everything was Sept.11th, 2001.

That level of an attack, with that destruction and death toll (especially in America) , meant that something major had to be done to respond to it, and (through what I believe is a combination of fear/paranoia and manipulating the situation to serve certain ends) major changes had to be made to the way we see the world in regards to security - and there had to be (politically/morally) a "payback" for it.


So invading Afghanistan/Iraq, who both had nothing to do with the events of 9/11, was moral payback for the 2,994 deaths (including the 19 hijackers) with 6,000 injured?

Afghan troops killed 8,587, U.S. troops killed 866, other coalition troops killed 619, Afghan civilians killed 8,165, Contractors killed 75, and Journalists killed 7.

To date the total deaths in Afghanistan is 18,319.

Afghan troops seriously injured 25,761, U.S. troops seriously injured 2,598, other coalition troops seriously injured 1,857, Afghan civilians seriously injured 14,697, and Contractors seriously injured 2,428.

To date the total injured in Afghanistan is 47,341.

To makes things worse midstream of the Afghanistan invasion, major military resources were rerouted to open a second front with the invasion of Iraq which also had nothing to do with the events of 9/11.

Iraqi troops killed 30,000, U.S. troops killed 4,371, other coalition troops killed 318, Iraqi civilians killed 795,763, Contractors killed 933, and Journalists killed 141.

To date the total deaths in Iraq is 831,526.

Iraqi troops seriously injured 90,000, U.S. troops seriously injured 31,557, other coalition troops seriously injured 2,290, Iraqi civilians seriously injured 1,432,373, and Contractors seriously injured 10,569.

To date the total seriously injured in Iraq is 1,566,789.

Source.....http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html......quoted figures above are inaccurate as they are increasing by the day.

By your reckoning, 849,845 people have been killed and 1,614,130 people have been seriously injured not to mention the 6 to 7 million displaced persons or the catastrophic shredding of the infrastructure in both countries all of this costing several trillion $’s to prosecute with a guaranteed equivalent financial responsibility to rebuild what has been destroyed and all of this is justified as “payback” because a criminal organisation had the audacity to carry out a criminal act “within the USA” that killed 2,994 and injured 6,000?

Smacks of very ugly smugness don’t you think, conceit most vain in a belief of superiority in that one of ours is worth tenfold of yours even if your country never attacked us in the first place?.

But wait......there’s more.....the destabilisation of Iran where million’s of $’s is being spent in paying stooges for anti-gov’t rally’s, massive hoax texting of propaganda to inflame, terrorist style (vehicle bombs), assassinations of Iranian officials and the covert arming of minor dissidents in vain hope of an expansion of the internal strife. Armed border crossings into Syria continually goading, prodding, them into an action that would allow massive US retaliation. Continued scoffing at Pakistani objections to US callous killings of innocent Pakistani civilians, a failed attempt to bring Russia into the foray by coercing Georgia into attacking two Russian Protectorates of which Russia quickly squashed, now it seems that Yemen is bleeping on the US “to bomb” radar. In answer to Turkish objections and complaints regarding the US/Israeli treatment of the Gazans whom are slowly being starved to death, Israel has accused Turkey of an alliance with Libya so don’t be surprised to see even more bleeps on the US “to bomb” radar.

Fair sucka the sauce bottle mate, this stuff can't go on and on at some point its gotta stop!


 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 91 (view)
 
Why do we need such a large concentration of CIA in Afghanistan?
Posted: 1/13/2010 2:58:35 AM

As far as what you have said about Obama's escalation in Afghanistan, and it being hopeless, etc, mostly I agree there. I have said the same myself in other threads. I think he should be getting ready to start to leave, not getting ready to start to send in more. But clearly he and I ultimately do not share the same foreign policy ideas. I voted for him for other reasons, I still mostly like him, but I disagree strongly with a couple of things about him so far...we'll see what the future brings.


People don’t just do things, they do things for reasons and that’s something you guys just don’t wanna know about. Perhaps the answer to all this death, misary and destruction is in the “why”, perhaps if the cause is addressed there would be no need for all the killings/misary and collapsing economies?

Former White House Bureau Chief Helen Thomas is not afraid to ask the “why” question although Obama and his masters aren’t.
After briefly addressing a press conference on the intelligence screw-up that almost downed an airliner on Christmas Day, President Obama turned the stage over to his counter-terrorism guru John Brennan and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

The 89-year old veteran correspondent Helen Thomas asked why the terrorist Abdulmutallab did what he did.


Thomas: “And what is the motivation? We never hear what you find out on why.”

Brennan: “Al Qaeda is an organization that is dedicated to murder and wanton slaughter of innocents… They attract individuals like Mr. Abdulmutallab and use them for these types of attacks. He was motivated by a sense of religious sort of drive. Unfortunately, al Qaeda has perverted Islam, and has corrupted the concept of Islam, so that he’s (sic) able to attract these individuals. But al Qaeda has the agenda of destruction and death.”

Thomas: “And you’re saying it’s because of religion?”

Brennan: “I’m saying it’s because of an al Qaeda organization that used the banner of religion in a very perverse and corrupt way.”

Thomas: “Why?”

Brennan: “I think this is a — long issue, but al Qaeda is just determined to carry out attacks here against the homeland.”

Thomas: “But you haven’t explained why.”

Neither did President Obama, nor anyone else in the U.S. political/media hierarchy. All the American public gets is the boilerplate about how al-Qaeda evildoers are perverting a religion and exploiting impressionable young men.

There is almost no discussion about why so many people in the Muslim world object to U.S. policies so strongly that they are inclined to resist violently and even resort to suicide attacks.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/010810b.html


As it turns out the 23-year-old well to do Nigerian Abdulmutallab attempted to blow up the airliner on Christmas Day because of his sympathies for the Palestinians and his anger over Israel’s actions in Gaza that killed 1,300 civilians.
The reasons were all outlined in an Associated Press report that never saw the light of day in Washington.


Former CIA specialist on al Qaeda, Michael Scheuer, has been still more outspoken on what he sees as Israel’s tying down the American Gulliver in the Middle East. Speaking Monday on C-SPAN, he complained bitterly that any debate on the issue of American support for Israel and its effects is normally squelched.
Scheuer added that the Israel Lobby had just succeeded in getting him removed from his job at the Jamestown Foundation think tank for saying that Obama was “doing what I call the Tel Aviv Two Step.”

More to the point, Scheuer asserted:
“For anyone to say that our support for Israel doesn’t hurt us in the Muslim world … is to just defy reality.”

Beyond loss of work, those who speak out can expect ugly accusations. The Israeli media network Arutz Sheva, which is considered the voice of the settler movement, weighed in strongly, citing Scheuer’s C-SPAN remarks and branding them “blatantly anti-Semitic.”
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/010810b.html


So it appears we tire of the “good” fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran and Syria can be put on the back boiler for the moment; we can always come back later. Pakistan well we can do that remotely, the tripling of the civilian death toll as a result of doing it remotely doesn’t really matter they’re only..................!

Now our Gov’t’s are opening up yet another front which will see us raining death/misery and destruction when we unleash another “Operation Shock and Awe” on what is probably the very poorest country in the world “Yemen”.

Since the Yemeni’s don’t have remote controlled bomb delivery platforms, nuclear armed submarines, intercontinental missiles, supersonic bombers and fighters, the latest tanks, helicopter gunships, best assault rifles, cluster and phosphorous bombs and best of all Depleted Uranium munitions, their retaliation is more or less guaranteed not to cause an increase in flag draped coffins returning home. Sticks and stones can’t hurt us!

So all is well......(rubs hands together).......and we can now contemplate our next killing spree after we deliver Israel’s wrath on Yemen. Arghh.....I love the smell of Napalm in the morning! Don’t you? Its....its....the smell of VICTORY!!
For pudding hmmm......Somalia, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Sudan.......no..wait....China.... Y E S heheheHAHAHAhehehe. Kill, Kill,Kill.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 6 (view)
 
what's the difference between thai and vietnamese food?
Posted: 1/10/2010 8:34:31 AM
Simplest answer is that Vietnamese food pretty much follows its Chinese origins. Not surprising considering that the Vietnamese people actually came from China.
They were known as the Viet Tribe, a minority tribe that were abused by the majority Han Tribe, the Viet people fled south to escape their masters the Han. In Vietnamese Nam = south which is where the name Viet Nam comes from. The Han Chinese followed and re-enslaved them in their new land but that’s a whole other long story that would take us too far off topic.

Below is a link to SBS’s “Luke Nguyen’s Vietnam”, a programme on Vietnamese cooking. Follow links on the page to watch Luke’s other recipes. I was posted to Vietnam for 5 years and can attest that everything in Luke’s show accurately reflects real life Vietnam.
http://www.sbs.com.au/shows/lukenguyen/episodes/detail/episode/1976/season/1

chow down
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Why do we need such a large concentration of CIA in Afghanistan?
Posted: 1/8/2010 10:11:15 AM

You've watched way too many movies. Leave the intelligence gathering to the cunning. Leave the killing to the strong. Welcome to the real world, where sense makes...you know...sense.


The CIA does not partake in any ground movement operations. No shoot-em-up bang-bang. No big black vans with men in ski masks.


Yep.....yep.....you got it dude. They roll the finest reefers the world has known, even better than that gnarly Marley, King of the Rastas. Hand rolled on the sweaty inner thighs of CIA immortal operatives such as Arnie Schwarzenegger, Sly Stallone and Chuck Norris et al. Yeah maaaaan.........with Bagram the hooch trade is booming, mind you I won’t vouch for those three immortals as having the sweaty inner thighs of virgins but all the “nurses” seem to salivate over the image!

(scene change to skies approaching over Los Angeles USA)
Vroooom......LAX......LAX this is Air America flight 4:20 incoming heavy, direct from Bagram, requesting runway 42 and non-stop roll through to secure military staging apron. LAX......LAX this is Air America flight 4:20 incoming heavy, direct from Bagram requesting immediate military priority status. LAX.......LA-----Air America, Air America flight 4:20 this is LAX......LAX, we have you at heading 060 inbound and heavy, you are cleared for approach 4:20, immediate, do not hesitate, I say again, do not hesitate the circuit is full. Roger LAX we copy, grateful if you advise entry pre-clearance at airside gate 5 for our escort code named Cheech and Chong. Roger that Air America your request is confirmed, you have a nice day now.

(somewhere in heavy traffic downtown LA)
Screeeeeech............an old junker Volkswagen Kombi Van comes to a standstill belching stinking cow dung smoke like its piston rings have blown all over the highway half a mile from a set of traffic signals.........Chong--“Hey Cheech, does a red light mean stop?”.....Cheech--”Yeah maaaaan, but Chong I think you’re supposed to pull up next to them, man”!......Chong--”Hey dude, don’t be sucking that reefer dry, pass it over”!

Fades to...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqUipinDyw

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
 
A Palestinian Jew named Jesus of Nazareth: Was he really that white?
Posted: 1/6/2010 8:51:02 AM
Yes white people (Europeans and their descendants), blindly draw pictures of Jesus as if of Northern European origins, which is with blond hair, white skin and blue eyes. It all stems from the general European belief of their own racial superiority above all the other races of earth and tied to 19th century European imperialist expansionism out of Europe that happened to coincided with the German anthropological invention of the four races of humans.
The superiority myth was used to divide and conquer lands that Europeans invaded and colonised. Even today many cling to the myth and this is most evident in the USA whom has surpassed their European ancestors in being unable or unwilling to acknowledge that superiority based on skin colour is a redundant fallacy.

“How is it even possible for superior beings to worship a deity that has dark brown skin, brown or black eyes and black hair wearing head to toe clothing and speaks in gibberish just like the Muslim enemy”? Confounded by the notion that the deity they worship looks just the same as the enemy they shoot/kill. So the myth lives on in circular perpetuity being repeated over and over again. I even read a thread on these very boards that removed the whole Biblical story from South-western Asia and placing it in Northern Europe instead. That’s how ingrained the superiority belief is. Another is being unable to fathom the idea that Saudi Arabia, Palestine/Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Turkey are all countries that are geographically located in South-western Asia. Heaven forbid!

The expert qualified image of Jesus given in the link in msg 16 above seems about right except for much longer scraggly hair.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Terrorism is just a state of mind.
Posted: 1/3/2010 8:07:39 AM

I'm sure there are many good Muslims, but the ones who were shooting at me in Mogadishu and Beirut were not among their number.


Well I guess the fact that you were a member of a foreign armed and hostile force within their country might very well have something to do with that. What if we reversed the situ and put a foreign armed and hostile force in Cincinnati Ohio let’s say the National People’s Army of China, would you and your fellow Cincinnatians be shooting at them?

Just because you’re from the USA doesn’t automatically make everything you do “holier than thou” nor does it make US culture the bee’s knees of cultures across the world. If your culture works just fine in the USA then that’s just tidily winks for the USA, enjoy in peace. But as soon as you try ramming that culture down the throats of others and I mean no malice here, but please do expect resistance even if all they have is sticks and stones against your Military Industrial Complex.


The problem isn't Islam, it's just that the current world situation (especially post Iraq) allows such people to be manipulated far more easily. You can see a certain parallel with "Christian" terrorists, like Eric Rudolph, or even Tim McVeigh ( who was motivated into action by seeing Waco).


Wow...... somewhat of a reversal from your conclusions of the past re - Hassan al-Banna and his Society of the Muslim Brothers, a Sunni political opposition organisation in many Arab states dedicated to Islamic conquest of the world.

You’ve been gone a long time MG, have you been on a re-educational sabbatical in South-western Asia? All the same its good to have you back as your input is valued.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Why do we need such a large concentration of CIA in Afghanistan?
Posted: 1/1/2010 10:51:02 AM

So exactly what is the CIA doing over there? I'm just wondering if they might be up to no good.


All that raw opium has to be processed properly without any pilfering so profit margins are maintained. Everything has to be undertaken in an orderly manner with exact dosages measured out and cut accordingly minus impurities, too pure will result in US children OD-ing, too many additives when cutting will result in US children not getting much of a high this is a proper US enterprise ya’know so everything is done above board because US enterprise must always be seen as being reliable conscientious suppliers of good quality drugs. Sheeeesh!!!!
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Culture in Australia. Is there any?
Posted: 1/1/2010 1:40:36 AM
In Perth of the 70’s, I had a 1969 Gordon Woods 7ft Pintail. Probably worth a few bob nowadays. Nice ride it was fun but I copped a lot of flak from other surfers whom all had the short guns that I found too difficult to handle. You had to have blonde hair as well, if you wanted to be a truly “in” surfie, which was essential, even more so if you wanted the groupies to hang around as if awaiting your favour. No blonde hair = not popular, LOL I had long brownie black hair down past my shoulders and what about the chequered flannel shirts with worn out Levi’s jeans so worn out that the knees were just white cotton threads, legs were tucked into knee high Ugg boots (winter), with that Inca looking strip on the back seam?.......oh well we were all still kiddies back then. Had a HT Holden PV, 186 red, two bucket seats, three on the column and a stereo cassette deck that hung from under the dash screaming CCR or Beck, Bogert & Appice amongst others.. On weekends I used to live in it, usually somewhere along WA’s South West coast looking for that spot. It was also great at the drive-ins.

Here’s a “horrie” that I would have swam away from that you guys probably would have loved, go to full screen and turn up the volume, you’ll be there with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfIQw_v5CSs&feature=PlayList&p=65CF4C330DA27F9B&index=0

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 193 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/27/2009 4:27:01 AM

Nuclear Fission is an option but the waste is not


True very toxic stuff Prak, but the military has found a use as ammunition. But I suspect not entirely what you envisioned for a “greener” world.

Depleted Uranium (DU), a by-product of enriched uranium, it’s denser than lead with the plus of being pyrophoric meaning its incendiary. Being denser than lead also means that DU projectiles (the bullet), can be made smaller and thus improve the aerodynamics and penetration capabilities on impact. The impact of a DU projectile sets off a release of intense heat energy (I believe it glows white hot), which causes it to disintegrate to aerosol dust, burn and penetrate deeper. Once the DU projectile has penetrated say a tank, it rapidly burns (probably ricocheting around), inside the tank killing its occupants and then causes an explosive fire that destroys the tank. The DU aerosol that is released by the impact of thousands of DU rounds during an attack will contaminate whole areas with radioactivity and the fine DU dust aerosol when inhaled or exposed to the body will affect the normal functioning of the kidneys, brain, liver and heart.
The equipment/land/city area of the DU attack remains radioactively “hot” for many years and is unusable for man or beast.

A WHO report on the effects of DU weapons has shown a “nil” effect on humans but the report is known to have been compromised by the UK and US whom are also the two countries who continually veto any UN investigation into the use or banning of DU weaponry. The worlds stocks of DU as at 2002 levels were 1,188,273 tonnes. During the Iraqi conflict of 2003, 1,000 to 2,000 tonnes of DU munitions were used, mostly in cities. DU ammunition was also used in the 1991 Gulf War, the Bosnia war and the bombing of Serbia. With well over a million tonnes of DU in stockpiles it is unlikely to run out in fact you can say that it is a value added product whose value and demand is skyrocketing.
See;
US Army training video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUIUQp3LsQ
http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/depleted_uranium_iraq_afghanistan_balkans.html
A US soldiers story regarding his experience with DU http://www.newint.org/features/2007/11/01/health-reed/

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 46 (view)
 
If you could.....
Posted: 12/25/2009 3:40:19 AM

...would you destroy all diseases on earth?


Yes I would.........Blood oath I would!

Theoretically speaking old age can be correctly thought of as a disease so old age would go as well. A human goes from inception, age zero through to 21 years of age and all the time cells are replacing, renewing themselves. But the process of cell renewal ceases after 21 and our body embarks on a process of cellular deterioration instead of renewal, we call it “aging” which ultimately leads to failure of bodily support systems and death. So with age and all other diseases gone we should live to 21 years of age and then stay like that forever.

That’s not “immortality” as you can still die via various means of trauma such as a bullet, car crash, throat slit etc, etc.

I doubt that it would lead to an overpopulation of Earth either mainly because the longer you live the more experience/knowledge you attain. So at some point mankind would break through the huddles that tie us to terrestrial bondage. We would have moved off Earth and colonised other planets such as Mars as well as other systems all over the universe.

We really would be “out there” as Capt. Kirk motioned to Sulu when asked for a heading.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Keep Gitmo open!
Posted: 12/24/2009 10:55:46 PM

Besides, what the hell do you propose we do? Set them all free to carry on with their mission?


Too bloody true! Hic…hic….yep!

BTW, it’s just as well that early Europeans captured Eashoa Msheekha, one of their great early terrorist leaders. Yep, tortured and then killed him for daring to sermonise to his people about some flamboyant new realm his old man was trying to organise minus European participation in our usual role of “Masters”. Bloody cheek. eh?

Yep we killed Eashoa and then rounded up all his followers and did the same to them too, bloody terrorists! Just as well, imagine what the world would be like today if our ancestors hadn’t shown us the way to sequester their lands and bleed these people dry so we can prosper beyond our imaginations. Hic..hic...yep!
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Christmas Emissions
Posted: 12/20/2009 5:33:39 PM

Is it ok to cover your house in pretty lights and then have people drive all over the suburbs to look at them???



yeh, Clark Griswald has a lot to answer for,eh?....

I think they look hideous.... regardless if they are responsible for all the extra emissions and accidents...


Hideous, ghastly, crappola yes, more stupid Seppo wannabe imports of monkey see, monkeys do. Should be seen for what it is.......gratuitous Seppo commercialism.......made doubly worse by stupid local TV and Radio hosts promoting “best house in the street” competitions designed around commercial gain over rival stations all entwined with the ideology of intense Seppo usurpation of Christmas for consumerism and monetary gain. Hopefully Aussies won’t be goaded by the torrent of sublime advertising.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 182 (view)
 
Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 12/19/2009 2:28:16 PM

Maybe its possible. I don't know. I know African American does NOT = Black
For example I am black.... but I'm not "AFRICAN AMERICAN"
[I'm Jamaica] People in america use "AFRICAN AMERICAN" to describe a person who is black. But not all black people are African American....


I'm shocked, you being a teacher and all, how can you possibly make such a statement?

The majority of "black" people in Jamaica ARE descended from Africans.


But not all black people are African American


No....perhaps not in that combination. But ALL black people (Negros), ARE at some point of time in their past ARE African. How you are able to dance around that fact totally amazes me. For example.......G W Bush is a European American and regardless of the number of countries outside of Europe that it took his ancestors to arrive in the Americas, he ultimately still remains of European origin and that can never change.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 300 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 12/16/2009 3:39:39 AM

I think many Iranians did and still feel a deep-seated resentment against America for what it did to the country way back when. And their government spares no resource to drill that history lesson, among many other real and imagined grievances, into every generation’s heads.

The constant government administered rallies of “Death to America” have been almost ritual since the Ayatollahs came to power and long before Bush was elected. That many still admire the US “despite” decades of that indoctrination of hate should be cause for celebration.


Terror Free Tomorrow: The Center for Public Opinion (“TFT”) is a non-partisan, not-for-profit organization established in Washington, D.C. Terror Free Tomorrow finds out why people support or oppose extremism. This US private organization conducted pre-presidential election poll in Iran.
Methodology:
This survey was conducted by Terror Free Tomorrow: The Center for Public Opinion (“TFT”) and the New America Foundation, with fieldwork by KA Europe SPRL. Interviews were conducted by phone from a CATI facility in the region but outside Iran, in Farsi. They were conducted among a random national sample of 1,001 Iranians aged 18 and older from May 11th to 20th, 2009. The exact location of the CATI facility is not identified in order to maintain confidentiality for the interviewing team. The questionnaire consisted of 31 substantive questions, 17 demographic questions, and 24 quality control questions

On relations with the USA, % of Iranians who:

Normal trade and full national recognition, favour – 77%......opposed – 15%
US Assistance with Peaceful Nuclear Energy, favour – 89%....opposed – 6%
Iranian Government Working With US to help Resolve Iraq War, favour – 68%...opposed – 24%
Full negotiations between US and Iranian Governments, favour – 60%.........opposed – 30%

In return for US Recognition and Trade, % of Iranians Who:

Full Transparency to Guarantee No Nuclear Weapons, – 43%
Endorse Recognizing Both Israel/Palestinian States, - 52%
End Iranian Support for Armed Groups in Iraq, - 54%

On Israel:

Favor Peace Treaty recognizing State of Israel, if Independent Palestinian State established, 27%
Oppose Any Peace Treaty Recognizing Israel and favor all Muslims fighting until there is no State of Israel in the Middle East – 62%
Support Iranian Government Military and Financial Aid to Palestinian Opposition Groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad,- favour 64%……..oppose 30%

On which countries pose the greatest threat to Iran?

Israel – 44%, USA – 38%, Saudi Arabia – 3%, Russia – 2%, China – 1%, Pakistan – 1%

Second greatest threat:

USA – 35%, Israel – 34%, Saudi Arabia – 5%, Russia – 4%, China – 3%, Pakistan – 2%

Full complete poll is at :-
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT%20Iran%20Survey%20Report%200609.pdf


Political, economic, and military realities change, and the way nations interact with each other change with them. This has been true since the first nation-states started dealing with each other thousands of years ago.


Nation States..........thousands of years ago?

The first Nation States began appearing in mainly 19th century Europe, relatively recently, so thousands of years .....no.

^^^^^^^^

You can hate it and criticize it and dismiss it as much as you want, but that's the fact.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 23 (view)
 
C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 12/12/2009 7:57:38 AM

Ismene2
No, the reason she is there is not "out of a desire to assist and help." She is there for the same reason most Westerners are working in foreign countries, to experience international travel and to make money. Possibly a lot of money, depending on where she is working and for whom.


Yes very true and also very brave of you to say so for you risk the wrath of those romantically minded people with overly-sentimentalised altruistic rhetoric about the valiant and demure petite woman passionately helping the swarthy squalid masses of the third world. So now that you’ve gone thus far, why not the whole hog, c’mon fess up tell, tell, tell?
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 271 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 12/12/2009 7:30:31 AM

However, the US would not be assisting the oppression.


Yes, exactly but the point is missed by apologists for Israel vis-à-vis the conspicuously oft heard defence of Israel's violation's of human rights when dealing with its indigenous population........"Errr...the US did it to the Indians, so why can't we"......."China and Russia do it all the time but you never complain about them"........"Excuse me but look at whats been happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, how come you never say anything about them"....."What about the Sudan or Somalia, you never pick on them"......"All you do is pick on poor Israel, surrounded on all sides by hostile Asians, fighting for her very life, pick, pick, pick, pick thats all you do!
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 121 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/11/2009 8:20:43 AM
Oh my goodness..........your half quotes of others statements do nothing to enhance perspectives of your overall knowledge. Instead they evidence the haughtiness, usually characteristic of a neophyte debater.



The most incontrovertible fact of the entire premise regarding global warming is that Australia’s contribution to the alleged human root of the increased atmospheric carbon level tally is a paltry 1.5 %.

Now why is that hard to believe? There are over 200 countries in the world and we have 0.32% of the world population. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?


No one is saying anything is “hard to believe”. Try comprehending the full assertion by adding the rest of the statement (below), then re-read in milieu……………


.......At that level all and sundry agree that you can evacuate Australia of all its human inhabitants, just pack up, shut shop, abandon ship, leave it to the kangaroos and there still would be no divergence from the resultant final outcome whether that be an end to the world or not.


You have insincerely detracted from the original assertion by means of “half quotes” and re-presented the assertion glaringly different to the “whole” original statement. This is called a “strawman argument” that maliciously misrepresents another’s statement by constructing an illusion of having invalidating the original statement.



Ahhh.......mankind...advanced enough to eliminate all forms of poverty for each and every one of his own

Oh we did? Wow, So why are World Vision on my tv every night asking me to sponsor children in Africa? Have you told them, and the Red Cross and the Salvation Army their work is done? With 'facts' like that no one is going to take anything else you say seriously.


No one is saying “we” did anything. Again strawman arguments but I suppose the old adage of when you’re on a good thing……correction, when you think you’re on a good thing……………!
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 113 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/10/2009 2:43:32 PM
The most incontrovertible fact of the entire premise regarding global warming is that Australia’s contribution to the alleged human root of the increased atmospheric carbon level tally is a paltry 1.5 %. At that level all and sundry agree that you can evacuate Australia of all its human inhabitants, just pack up, shut shop, abandon ship, leave it to the kangaroos and there still would be no divergence from the resultant final outcome whether that be an end to the world or not.

There have been so many predictions regarding the end of the world spanning many hundreds of years and yet humankind perseveres on regardless of the little chicken running around crying that the sky is falling. In dire warnings of horrible things to come the boffins move the minute hand yet another two minutes towards the midnight hour on the “Doomsday Clock” and the episode of urgency comes and goes with a wearisome tic, toc, tic, toc. At some point, one ponders surely; the boffins must run out of this assiduous “two minutes” before midnight alarm of pending doom unless of course they have a Tardis and have locked us in a time loop?

Ahhh.......mankind...advanced enough to eliminate all forms of poverty for each and every one of his own yet powerful enough to destroy his own world but do we really believe that he would do that just to spite himself?
 
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