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 Author Thread: Questionning Israel = antisemitism?
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 92 (view)
 
Questionning Israel = antisemitism?
Posted: 11/22/2009 4:19:02 AM

Scorps
To YOU it's paradoxical. But what did you expect? The countries of the Allied Forces set up a government selected of people who had such virulent anti-tolerant ideas, that were totally against religion, and the Middle-Eastern mindset, and were highly oppressive of religious Jews and religious Muslims, it was virtually impossible for anything to result but conflict and intolerance. Stop deliberately picking leaders who are bound to cause conflict, and you might have a better chance of conflict. But then, since no-one could doubt that picking such leaders could result in conflict, it's impossible to know this, without accepting that people who would only start conflicts were intentionally chosen, because the countries of Western Europe WANTED continual conflict in the Middle East. You made your bed. Now you don't want to lie in it?


Aha.....correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying that it is the all out migration of Eastern Europeans (Slavic’s), to the neophyte state of Israel that has caused all the present day problems. By this do you mean that those Slavic’s have brought with them the Eastern European culture of political despotism, of authoritarianism, of totalitarianism, of tyrannical policies and of Stalinism? Those cultures would have been so ingrained in their psyches that, that is all they would know and so they would govern in the exact same manner?

This explains a lot about one of those “A Current Affair” programmes I watched that reported on this very problem. There are gangs of disenfranchised youth, the children that accompanied their Eastern Block parents to Israel. In their home countries they would roam the streets attacking Jews, Asians and African students just about anyone that looked different to themselves. Once ensconced in Israel they would continue the behaviour attacking orthodox Jews, Palestinians and anyone with darker shades of skin. They were called the skinheads, had tattoos of swastikas and posters of Hitler, most of the time they carried out their deeds with impunity and within eyesight of the Police and IDF Units whom took no action against them.

Many Israeli’s demanded action from the authorities but their demands were ignored, till a group of very old women, survivors of the WW2 German Camps demonstrated to the Israeli PM and were filmed doing so. The PM then issued orders for the apprehension and the curtailing of those gangs. The programme was allowed to interview one of the gang members that got caught. He looked pretty much like any other European except for his shaven head, Dr. Martin boots and denim jacket with shoulder swastika patches. The journalist asked him the reasons for his behaviour; he shrugged and said “We do this every night in Moscow, its ok, these people deserve it, they’re not like us and so we give them sh1t”. “Israel is my parents; I am from Moscow we don’t give a sh1t about this sh1tty country or the sh1tty people that live here”. The Israeli’s were in a conundrum as to whether to deport them back to their European Slavic origins or not.

I guess life in Israel would be a lot more attractive than life in the old USSR block countries given the level of US Fundamentalist Christian support as they await the Rapture, the public financial subsidisation by the US Gov’t and the private financial donations from North America. Added to all that financial benefit is the bonus of the new unrestrictive rules as to who can claim to be Jewish (which seems to be nothing more than to claim so), it would just be an open slather of migrate, assume a Jewish name, begin Hebrew language classes and get a new house in the West Bank or Eastern Jerusalem. Bob’s your uncle?

But in the meantime the rest of the world is forced to pay for the forced dislocation of the Palestinians from their homes, farms, land.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Questionning Israel = antisemitism?
Posted: 11/21/2009 11:05:56 AM
In 1944, Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew unambiguously defined the meaning of “genocide”.


Lemkin wrote:-

Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.


In the aftermath of WW2 and the discovery of all that happened to European Jews in that conflict, Lemkin dedicated his life to the campaign for the universal laws defining and forbidding genocide forever. In 1946 at the very first session of the UN, approval in principle was reached to the idea that genocide was a crime in international law. Finally in 1948 the UN adopted the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and Lemkin’s dream, born out of the horrors endured by his people during WW2, was fulfilled.

How poignantly paradoxical it is that the descendents of Lemkin’s generation are now attempting the very same horror that he fought so hard for recognition of and against ever being repeated, has now been underway for 60 years against the indigenes of Palestine.
They mock you, Raphael...........they mock you.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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couple arrested for not tipping.,,
Posted: 11/20/2009 10:05:18 AM
The whole story is outrageous. I never “tip” nor is it our custom to ask or worse still, demand “tips”. Establishments should have set prices and that’s what your bill should reflect. People work in the hospitality industry at their own volition and are governed by the Australian Fair Pay and Conditions Standard. The Standard contains five minimum conditions of employment that are legally binding on all employers.

1. Guaranteed basic rates of pay and guaranteed casual loadings. The Federal Minimum Wage is currently $A14.31 per hour - before tax. The casual rate is 20% above the min wage. That’s the MIN an employer is forced to pay any employee, of course there’s no limit on MAX. (US$1 = A$1.05)
2. Under the Standard, maximum ordinary hours of work are limited to 38 per week. Overtime is paid at penalty rates, 1 ½ x for the first 3 hours followed 2x for every hour after that.
3. A full-time employee is entitled to four weeks paid annual leave per year. Some continuous shift employees are entitled to one additional week of paid annual leave. Part-time employees are entitled to pro rata entitlements.
4. A full-time employee is entitled to ten days paid personal/carer’s leave per year and two days’ paid compassionate leave per occasion. Part-time employees are entitled to pro rata entitlements. Where an employee’s paid personal/carer’s leave has been exhausted, the employee is entitled to two days unpaid carer’s leave per occasion. Casual employees are entitled to two days unpaid carer’s leave per occasion.
5. All employees other than short-term casual employees are entitled to up to 52 weeks unpaid parental leave (maternity, paternity and adoption leave) after at least 12 months continuous service.

So as you can see the motives for introducing a tipping system are redundant. There are a plethora of other working conditions that are enforceable, try Google as I might have things mixed up. But if people in the US are working as waiters/waitresses at only $2.50 per hour then that speaks volumes about your system and disregard of workers at the lower rungs.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Religion and Politics
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:48:05 AM
No it wouldn’t worry me either way (religious or not). To me that’s the pollies private business. It would worry me if the pollies religion crossed over into his/her public persona and he/she started proselytising those religious beliefs. I know that it would be difficult if not impossible but I would also want said pollie to make decisions independent of religious influences and in a totally secular manner.
Religion is a personal choice and it should never interfere in the state affairs of any nation.

The Australian Constitution expressly forbids the entry of any religion into politics as the founding fathers had seen what this had done to Europe. It also forbids Parliament from endorsing any one religion over another or making any religion a requirement of public office or making any law against freedom of religion. (and yet they say the Lord's Prayer at the beginning of every parliamentary session ???????)

A recent example of religion crossing over into the secular affairs of state occurred in the USA when their President G W Bush declared to the world that God talks to him, that he was on a crusade/mission from God to battle against the so-called demonic Islam.
As the US was established by extreme puritanical fundamentalist Christians whom are still a powerful lobby group in US politics, he was able to make such outrageous claims with very little domestic backlash on his presidency. However if an Australian Prime Minister were to make such claims, taking Australia into war, he/she would be quickly removed from office and despatched to the asylum.

Secularism = state governance.............Religion = personal beliefs.
Nary shall the twain meet.........soothfast!

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 11/18/2009 9:09:52 AM

Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?


IMO.......Yes........of course they are.

When Jesus embarked on his ministry, his discourse was with his own people. He never addressed or sermonised to the goyim/infidel or gentile if you like, his mission was primarily focused on the children of Abraham, the Jews and those others of the larger Semite Family. All his disciples were Jews whom were the first converts to his new interpretations of his Father’s Word as presented in the Torah or Books of Moses. BTW indifference to what most assumed “Christians” believe, Jesus stated quite plainly “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them”. In other words he has come not to delete the Laws of his Father or the Prophets as stated in the Torah but to reboot them back into place but this time as he has interpreted them. The Old Testament remains wholly relevant and was never replaced by the New Testament. Jesus was starting a new sect, an off-shoot, a new interpretation of his Fathers Word as written by Moses but still remaining within Judaism but opposed or distinct from the old rabbinic interpretations. This is where he first ran afoul of the old rabbi’s of the old synagogue.

Had the Europeans not tortured and then killed Jesus, Judaism would probably be the only mono-theistic religion around today. Incidentally his name was never “Jesus” when he walked the earth. He was called and answered to his Aramaic name “D'aB,Yeshuoe” or “Eesho” in Assyrian Aramaic. I mention the Assyrian “Eesho” (Jesus), as the Assyrians were the first nation on earth to convert to his teachings. Jesus never spoke English, Latin, Greek or Hebrew which had been lost to the Jews for over 500 years. The Jews only spoke Aramaic, certainly those that were peasants only spoke Aramaic and Jesus as a carpenter whom was also the son of a carpenter, was a peasant. Only the rabbi’s and the aristocracy could speak Hebrew.

The terms Jesus, Christ, Yahweh, Jehovah, Jews, Jewish are all European constructs and not of West Asian origin or in the terminology of the day “Rome’s Asia Province”. They came about when Europeans adopted and then proceeded to adapt the Semite beliefs into their own culture whilst abandoning their own indigenous religions. Hate to rain on your parade but there is no Judeo/Christian culture nor has there ever been such a liaison. The Christian God Trinity is considered “heinous blasphemy” and heresy in Judaism in fact Judaism has more in common with Islam than it has with Christianity.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Mexico Asks UN for Troops
Posted: 11/15/2009 1:18:57 AM

I believe if the US, Canada, Mexico and Central America formed an EU type of union, making membership contingent on the political and social well being of a country (which the EU enforces), that the economic and political problems we now see in Mexico and CentralAmerica would be essentially solved.


More than likely very true, but would US business and business men allow such a union.........doubtful when you consider the socio-political conventions governing the US standards of investment and profit margins that are carved into titanium tablets and never deviated from. I mean where’s the profit, where’s the money, in it for the US aristocracy in such a debauchery?

I often (perhaps mistakenly), equate the US character to that of the “Ferengi” from the Star Trek-Next Generation series. The Ferengi are an extraterrestrial humanoid race whom are a ravenously profiteering people, dedicated to exploiting women, business profit and totally lacking in culture. Their Bible is the 285 Rules of Acquisition which demand that the Ferengi cheat, steal, and bend the truth to suit the needs of “profit” above all else. Their religion is also based on the principles of capitalism: they offer prayers and monetary offerings to a "Blessed Treasurer" in hopes of entering the "Divine Treasury" upon death, and fear an afterlife spent in the "Vault of Eternal Destitution". Pretty close to a contemporary description of the US character wouldn’t you say?


So, building a fence and trying to keep 'them' and 'their problems' out is only putting a bandaid on a problem that could actually be cured.


No doubt following in the highly successful examples of good wall building set in Berlin, South Africa and on-going in Palestine.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Whats rocks you in a song...., lyrics, tune, rhythm or all of them ??
Posted: 11/14/2009 4:31:56 AM
Was watching Fringe season 2 episode 6 and they had this song on the intro to the episode and I just could not get it outta my head. Haunted me forever so I searched and searched and finally found it. New girl on the block, the number is off her second album so new it hasn't been properly put down on video. Its a haunting love number that like all her music is a blend of soul, jazz and pop. Great lyrics.

Mozella, "Freezing" from her Bel Isle album on Motown watch it here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3bbiUmw1gE

Enjoy
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Mexico Asks UN for Troops
Posted: 11/13/2009 1:08:35 AM

Looks like our neighbor to the south is having quite a few crimminal problems. THey are not only asking for help from the UN but from the US.


The requests of private business enterprise in a country do not equate to official requests of the legitimate government of said country. Of course business men are going to ask for a greater patronage whether they are US or UN or more than likely the Mexican Army, it’s all about increasing your clientele and thus your profit line.


Since this has already been spilling over to the US and could spill over even more, what are your thoughts on this situation.


Oh...good grief. It all revolves around the US. Where do you think the weapons and ammunition are supplied from? Who/where do you think is the biggest client/destination of all those drugs? Do you actually think that US business enterprises such as the weapons manufactures/dealers and the drug distributers are going to stand by idly and watch their businesses collapse? I think not.


After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world.
John Calvin Coolidge, Jr. 30th President of the United States of America.


 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Is it Time to Bring the Troops Home?
Posted: 11/10/2009 8:32:56 PM

I honestly believe that Israel and Iran are about to go at it...Not good for anyone..


If Israel goes ahead and attacks Iran with its usual swagger of impunity (a carte blanch attitude afforded it by the support of many past and present US Govts), then it is in for a very far reaching awakening with regards to the reciprocal actions the rest of the world will undoubtedly take in reply. Don't underestimate the displeasure of billions of "Joe Citizens" of the world that have had enough of Israel's stomping on human rights in Western Asia, the crux of Global Terrorism.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Significant birthdays
Posted: 11/8/2009 1:28:21 PM
Perhaps you should consider as to whether or not you can classify yourself as an average Australian. I mention that as the mortality rates as estimated for Australia in the 2005 – 2010 period is 79 for males and 84 for females. So if you’re average and FIT you can expect another 29 years of active life. If not then you will succumb to the insidious nature of the mortal frangibility of your body and that of diseases that can no longer be held at bay. Have you felt the touch of a cold hand? Then perhaps another 10 years or less of a miserable existence locked in a sickly, heavily medicated body on a downwards slide to an undignified ending.

Slowly at first, the body winds down for surely time draws her plans against us and now that you’ve pulled the 50 short straw, I’m sure that you can appreciate how time flies as the summer sun is fading, as the years pass quickly with ever more frequency. With darker days drawing nearer and with it the winters winds will be colder as they rustle the fallen leaves and make the swing creak in the playground park of our youth where young boys momentarily materialise, before you with joyfulness, pockets bursting, loaded with gumnuts ready for the ensuing gumnut battle and then fade into the past. Smile enjoy those worry free days and look back upon the past and contemplate the tiny morsel of remaining years you have left and the indefatigable dire circumstances of demons closing in on all sides and the grim reaper that waits at the end.

The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzly ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom
And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller. (MJ - RIP)
Happy birthday.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Has God always existed?
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:29:20 AM

My assertion is that if one is going to make claims concerning God then one might want to be prepared for this obvious follow up question and have a better reply than "God has always been".


Hmm..........who’s God, which God? There are innumerable choices encompassing the many thousands of different tribes of mankind. Some take physical form, shaped by the imaginings of their creator, man. Some are natural in physical form; the powers/abilities attributed to them know no bounds except for limits in the mind’s eye of their creator, man. Some are ethereal, their existence largely a by product of the fear of the unknown and the usurper’s hunger for power over others, their definitive form and capabilities are wholly dependent on the culture of those having reverence. Since grasping the very early beginnings of basic capacities for analysis and articulation, hedonistic values coupled to greed and the varying “class” levels that eventuated from acquiring knowledge, mankind has sought and created Gods to maintain power bases and in answer to the unknown.

Ahh.....yes we all know of which God you speak of.......the monotheistic God of the Semitic Tribes people of South-western Asia that now dominates a large proportion of the religious flock around the world.

Those religious beliefs were pertinent to the Semitic people exclusively and never addressed those tribes people outside of the Semitic family. For many thousands of years those primitive nomadic desert tribes roamed the region of South-western Asia. At night they huddled together around campfires to ward off the cold of the desert nights and the elders/leaders, tribal elite told stories, some to inspire, some to instil fear and through that fear maintain control and position within the tribe. The stories were transported through many millenniums by word of mouth resulting in many metamorphoses of the original.

Sit back for a moment and consider the era. You are a simple villager anywhere in Europe, it is a superstitious era and your religion is nature based with your religious festivities following the cycles of Mother Nature, you are also part of the Roman Empire.

On the Roman throne sits Constantine 1st, Christianity in the Empire is forbidden with adherents persecuted and killed. Constantine embraces Christianity and raises the popularity of Christianity within the Empire although he allows indigenous European Paganism to continue. In 313AD Constantine issues the Edict of Milan (aka Edict of Toleration), which effectively tolerates the Christian religion. Christians can now worship freely. As a Christian Emperor Constantine considers it his duty watch over the spiritual health of his subjects with the setting of doctrine the responsibility of the Bishops but it was the Emperor that enforced that doctrine, prohibiting deviation and upholding church unity. In short Constantine ensured that the newly adopted God was properly worshiped in his Empire. Those Bishops also decided that Jesus is the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost all together in the one Godhead. This doctrine puts them at odds with the original philosophy for which they are expelled from the Synagogues for heinous sin of Blasphemy. Constantine dies in the year 337AD, the same year that he is baptised a Christian.

However all is not a bed of roses as many Europeans were forced to abandon their native pagan European beliefs and convert to Christianity or die. Many Europeans converted but many also died at the hands of Christianity for continuing their pagan beliefs.
Back in your village somewhere in Europe you are still practising your nature based religions when one day the Roman Army enters. The entire village must now convert to Christianity or die. Many die but many convert and live. The Christian Church and its infrastructure continue to grow and prosper. New religious festivals, new religious laws, new religious traditions are introduced and before you know it 2000 years of Christian indoctrination have passed. The old indigenous religious beliefs of your European forefathers, handed down through the centuries are not even a memory having been transcended by the Christian dogma you have now come to accept as the one and only true word. Your indoctrination is complete having been lullabyed into a belief that there can be no possible other nor are you mentally capable of deliberating on any other.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:13:33 AM

There was a heroine there


Now that piqued my interest. I just had to have more! Was it.....was it......."Jessica" again?


bolted from her car, yanked her pistol out and shot at Major Hasan.


Yes......yes...its Jessica again. Whoopee go Jessie go, you go "girlfren"!


She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and Major Hasan went down with several bullet wounds


Yep.......yeppity yep thats Jessica for ya. She went down shooting, emptying her pistol befer succumbing to her wounds. Darn Eraqs!


Mr. Medley said


Errr.....now wait jist a dern gon minute ear.....Mr Medley? It weren't no "Medley" it were Jerry! Who.......Jerry goddamn Bruckheimer. Yep....wrote the last one too, remember about Private Jessica Lynch?
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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How can you prove soul exists after death?
Posted: 11/5/2009 11:22:39 AM

However, you can research for yourself cases of NDE that have been document throughout the years. There's some logical indication for you. These people are announced "dead" for lack of a better term, on the operating table, they experience everything that goes on in the room- the doctor marking the time of death, family members talking, nurses moving about, and so on... But then they regain consciousness and are able to recount the full experience, including dialogue between hospital staff. How is that possible unless the soul survives death?


Our brain is surrounded by electrically generated magnetic fields that are the result of the normal day to day neural electrical activity of life. This activity can be measured by an electroencephalograph. It is from the results of the electroencephalograph that clinicians are able to pronounce the “brain death” or not of an individual.

It is known that brain function and tissue remain viable up to 7 minutes after the heart has ceased to function. It is my opinion and that’s all it is “my opinion”, that when the heart stops, the brain instantaneously registers that cessation and goes into shock. In that state of shock, bodily functions/movements cease and we lose that ability; however brain activity is still be occurring albeit on a downward sliding scale. In this state it is entirely within the realms of possibility that if the eyes remained in the open position, at the time of death that images directly in the eyes field are still being relayed to the brain, possibly in flashes and that sounds are also being relayed. At the same time and given the state of shock, there would probably be a jumble of confused electrical cellular discharges/signals between all those billions of neurons stimulating the limbic system and collapsing downwards to nil and brain death.

While all of the above chaos is going on internally, should there be external intervention during the life ending event in the form of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), or electric counter shock heart resuscitation, resulting in the restart of the heart, there’s every chance that if any memory is retained of the event, that that recall could well be in the form of voices released from memory or real from the immediate surrounds combined with images in erratically alternating bright light released from memory or real, followed by darkness.

The limbic system is known to be involved in the most vivid of our memories, “emotion”. Wild uncontrolled electrical stimulation of the limbic could well cause the release of random emotional memory images and sounds. This is what some could be recalling of the event on being revived and mistakenly attributing those audio and visual occurrences to an afterlife.

Perhaps more consideration should be given to the nature, in a physical context as to the composition of this essence/spirit/soul entity that is being alluded to. What is it made of? For something to have a physical existence it must have physical substance, it has to be made of molecules, of atoms, of protons and neutrons. Even smell has physically measureable substances; it’s made of molecules and as such, can be empirically proven. But a thought can only exist within a brain; it cannot exist of its own accord outside of the brain as “thought” has no physical form. Ergo something we “think” exists can’t transfer “into reality” as “thought” has no physical contextual animation outside of the brain.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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What is the best Australian book you have read?
Posted: 11/4/2009 9:02:49 PM

"Hidden Agendas"..., John Pilger..., He's actually a pom..., but no matter.


Nah......he's an Oz, mate. Just based or resides in London same deal with Rolf Harris.

I guess London's closer to all the action? Or maybe we were still a backwater dominion when it came to world affairs when he first started off his career cause he must be pushing 80 by now. Anyway, I also like his style of proper investigative journalism, no rock unturned, no door unopened.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Is Iraq really free now?
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:56:44 AM

In the first place, the french had been fighting with what became the South Vienamese long before we go there.


No........not quite right.

Many, many centuries ago the Viet people were an ethnic minority of China. They were abused by the ethnic majority Han people and so fled south to what we now call Viet-nam. (Nam means South in Vietnamese) There the Viet people established their own empire with its heart in the ancient imperial capital of Hue where their emperors sat in their Forbidden City very much like the original Han Forbidden City in Imperial China. They had sovereignty over all of Viet-nam.

Fast forward...........................

Since 1859 France had been fighting the Vietnamese and Cambodian Résistance Movements in their initial attempts at conquering the region. In 1888 the French succeeded and Vietnam and Cambodia became French Colonies. Laos also capitulated to the French onslaught and was added to the French Colonies making up the tripartite region of Indochina. The Résistance Movements never ceased, making it a hard slog for the French Colonists from 1888 to 1941. The strongest faction of the Résistance was the Viet Minh, the forerunner of the NVA.

WW2 cropped up and France surrendered to Germany in 1940. Back in the Indochinese Colonies the French Colonial Masters morphed into the Vichy French closely allied to the Axis Powers so when the Japanese invaded Indochina, the French collaborated making the job much easier for Japan. With the Allied Counter Invasions of Europe successful in ousting the Germans from France, the Japanese lost trust in the Vichy French Colonists and interned the lot of them taking direct control themselves.

In order to gain the trust of the Vietnamese people, Japan promised to handover control back to the Vietnamese people. As a precursor to that promise, Japan re-established the Empire of Vietnam under the Vietnamese Emperor Bao Dai, the last Emperor of Vietnam. Although a Japanese puppet, he controlled the whole of Vietnam.

1945 saw the defeat of Japan by the Allies and the rise of the Viet Minh whom took control of the whole of Vietnam in what was popularly called the “August Revolution” which had popular support throughout the Vietnamese population. The leader of the Viet Minh was Ho Chi Minh whom was admired throughout Vietnam and usually referred to as Bac Ho meaning Uncle Ho. HCM was to later declare for all the Vietnamese people the Independent Democratic Republic of Vietnam and pleaded to the Allies for recognition of his people’s sovereignty.

However the victors of WW2, UK, USA and the USSR had already decided that Indochina was to be returned to French Colonial power. But France was decimated by WW2 and did not have the assets or logistics to re-take Vietnam so the British invaded South Vietnam, liberated the Vichy French that were interned, set free the Japanese that had surrendered, re-armed them both and drafted them into the re-taking of South Vietnam. The Nationalist Chinese Army was allocated the task of re-taking the North. The French re-armed by the US were once again in control of the whole of Vietnam and in 1946 ousted the Viet Minh from Hanoi and voila the first Indochinese War had begun.

The war spread to Cambodia and Laos, that plus the 1949 victory of Mao Tzu Tung in the Chinese Civil War against opium and foreign dominance of its land saw the beginnings of the Cold War in earnest. The Viet Minh campaigns against the US armed French were hampered by a lack of weapons which was soon remedied by PRC/USSR supplies. Although Ho Chi Minh loathed having to accept weapons assistance from an old Viet foe the PRC and their ally the USSR, he nonetheless did as the battle to return Vietnam to the Vietnamese was paramount.

When war broke out on the Korean Peninsula US spin doctors began writing their theories on world domination as directed from Moscow. Fear of “Eastern Block” dominance spread like wildfire. By 1954 the US had become the primary supplier of arms and finance in the campaign to get the French re-installed as the Colonial Power of Indochina. The cost later blew out to over 80% financed by the USA. The US with Eisenhower/Nixon at the helm even planned the use of 3 nuclear strikes against Viet Minh positions so Cuba wasn’t the only country the US was willing to use its newly acquired nuclear capabilities on.

The Viet Minh military led by their shrewd General Vo Nguyen Giap delivered an astonishing defeat of the French at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu, near the Lao boarder at which the French Garrison surrendered. At the subsequent Geneva Conference the French negotiated a ceasefire agreement with the Viet Minh and independence was granted to Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. Under the negotiated Geneva terms, Vietnam was temporary partitioned at the 17th parallel. By 1956 the French military had fully withdrawn from Indochina.

Under the Geneva Terms, elections were to be conducted but the South Vietnamese Gov’t bolstered by the USA under the influence of its own created propaganda of “The Domino Theory”, abrogated and so no elections were held. A PRC, USSR souring of relations encouraged the USA to insist on Hanoi accepting the partitioning of Vietnam as permanent, of which Hanoi would not. From then onwards the US increased its physical involvement in Vietnam and the rest......we all know.....is so well covered in the historical documentaries of such immortals as Chuck Norris and Sylvester Stallone. Oh....and of course Francis Ford Coppola.

In conclusion and using your style of analogy can you not see who the bad guy is in this scenario?
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 48 (view)
 
Thousands flee Pakistan valley as truce crumbles
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:41:42 AM

The Taliban is a cancer eating Pakistan from within. I firmly believe this, whether some moderate Pakistanis do or not. Some are apparently slow to understand the Taliban's ultimate mission is to take over the country and spread their twisted vision of Islamic radicalism to the whole region.


Funny that they never had significant problems till the US interfered in the region. Those problems tripled when the US invaded Afghanistan/Iraq, two countries that never attacked the US. Then there is the ongoing destabilising campaigns against Iran and Syria where the US finances political violence and encourages insurrection amongst the populace to demonise the gov'ts of those countries.


We helped Great Britain in its war against Hitler before our own involvement.


Yeah and demanded full payment in gold bullion in exchange and btw that aid also went to Germany until 1942.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Visiting Perth from UK
Posted: 10/31/2009 1:54:28 PM
Welcome.
BerryBeresford usually has regular PoF meets at the Burswood. If she hasn't got one organised she will soon point you in the right direction. The intimate encounter thing on your profile might be a bit of a turn-off but there are ravenous Cougars around whom might be obliging.?
Her profile is here http://www.plentyoffish.com/member12622078.htm
PM her for info. Party on!
 Chiny®™©
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The ’ I ’ word---
Posted: 10/29/2009 9:10:54 AM

Question—Islam, I hear you----what do you want ???


Only an eminently sanctimonious frugal psyche would be oblivious to the answer to the most simplistic of all questions. While all the time playing ignorant to the fact that it is he, himself (generic), that is the harbinger of death, misery and destruction. The contingent aggressor merely a defensive player in his own land, forced derisively backwards into a wall without egress by a continuing series of foreign occupying armies and settlers bizarrely claiming to be on a mission from a God whom was originally indigenous to South-western Asia but whom was adopted, re-badged and re-turned brandishing an array of indefensible WMD.

A simple appraisal of the immediate past 2000 years of hostilities in South-western Asia will reveal the glaringly obvious source of the contagion. However, that appraisal should be non-partisan, completely disconnected of ethnic origins/loyalties and brand of religious philosophy for a sincere assessment.

 Chiny®™©
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US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 10/20/2009 9:11:34 AM

Iran has repeatedly said it is interested in nuclear power,....not bombs,.....


Yep......that's my understanding as well. I even read somewhere that their supreme leader had declared the atomic bomb as "unholy" and so possession by Iranians forbidden.


assumptions are being made if they have one they automatically have the other,....


Yep.......seems so, but only by those that want war with Iran. Dunno why exactly but thats the general push.......for war.


and should anycountry be attacked either literally or otherwise for what it might do?
In law,....no one can be charged with a crime until they actually take steps to do the thing,.....


No of course not, otherwise we'd have knocked off each other many years ago.

I think there's a precedence set in very old British Common Law called "evil intent". It was actually applied here in Perth some years ago when a couple of off duty policemen noticed a guy staring at a woman whom was bending to reach lower shelves in a shop. She had no bra on and her top was pretty loose cut and so her breasts were fully exposed whilst she was bent over. The cops noticed and arrested the man for having "evil intent". As it happens this unheard of law was still on the books, a left over of British Colonialism so the Magistrate could not acquit and so the man was found guilty of "evil intent". He lost his job, lost his wife and family and had his character ruined. I believe the law has since been removed from the books. But perhaps this is where "pre-emptive strike" comes from in its legal basis? Where a country reserves the right to strike at another country if it feels that the country is preparing to strike regardless of evidence to the contrary either way?


and why are we here entitled to using nuclear power but other's are denied that same right?


Perhaps it all goes back to those outdated German 19th century social constructs of racial categories that have no basis in biological fact. Those defunct categories blended with the continued belief of white European superiority when applied as in a "Daddy Knows Best" type scenario? I dunno...smells like it though.


 Chiny®™©
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Questionning Israel = antisemitism?
Posted: 10/20/2009 5:16:21 AM

There is absolutely no problem at all with my comparison. People do that all the time in every thread.


Well.....no....not exactly a good comparison of a wrong committed against indigenes.

Sure all those evil things were done to the native peoples of the New Worlds that were invaded and settled by Europeans. The one underlying fact that you miss is that all those things happened at a particular point in time in the planets history. That time has come and gone and can never be repeated. You cannot walk the corridors of the contemporary world with the impunity of Arnie’s “Terminator”, stomp, stomping your way through human beings just because you have the way with all power to do so. No my friend, those days are well and truly gone, the entire world watches and at some point will say “enough”.

In most recent earth history the last European settled country to stomp on its indigenes was brought to its knees by the world community. Oh yes, those European settlers were nuclear armed as well, it mattered not to the world as the situation had become a painfully intolerable festering sore on the psyche of the worlds conscience that simply had to be lanced, addressed.

”If one man says to thee, ''Thou art a donkey',' pay no heed. If two speak thus, purchase a saddle”.

 Chiny®™©
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Is Iraq really free now?
Posted: 10/16/2009 10:14:00 AM
Yes OP.......the story regarding the rape and continued abuse by the US/UK nexus of Iraq and the Iraqi people, especially the children, is well understood. But Iraq has gone through some of the best demonising propaganda that the nexus alliance has been able manufacture in support of their continued usurpation of Iraq and her people that make reversal improbable. All those lies spewed out by our political masters have become set in stone for the average lay person who can see none else.

Unfortunately your OP will be “scoffed” at in the first instance and reported for deletion for a plethora of fallacies in the second instance. To get your message across may take a whole generational change but there may be some light in a positive outcome of the present and ongoing British Gov’t official inquiry into the war in Iraq, don’t hold your breath though as a negative finding may be over-ruled as not in the national security interests of the UK, US and Israeli Govt’s and so would be squashed.

But one day, people will be aghast at the depths of the horrors we brought down on Iraq and the continued misery we have contentedly kept her peoples in, so in answer to your question........no Iraq is not free-er now and in all probability is less so than under Saddam.

 Chiny®™©
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Nobel - The devaluation of an institution
Posted: 10/11/2009 10:00:05 AM

Has this "prestigious" award done its dash?


I don’t think so, if anything the holder of this award deserves its “exulted” status. By elevating a world leader such as Obama into this category, serves to further enhance his influence, powers of persuasion and stature over the war-mongers and other anti-peace stake holders.

I have no doubt that neo-cons of the Bush/Cheney/Howard ilk; fundamentalist Christian groups, oil interests, a powerful lobby group and the military industrial complex will be seething over this award and so they should be for never before have their endeavours been so threatened.

Regardless, the crux behind the largest contributory factor to world instability will have to be resolved before other world issues can be addressed. Other than Obama, there are no other candidates on the horizon with the means or mandate to do so.

By giving priority to setting a diplomatic table, Obama is moving in leaps and bounds in resetting the moral dissolution of the US over the past decade and the various factions concerned are coming to dinner. Personally I hope he succeeds but I’m not ignorant of the violent political history of the US when the very powerful have their agendas threatened. I can only hope that the ever present peril never eventuates and that the status quo the immorally rich wish to preserve never returns and that Damocles’ sword remains steadfastly suspended.

 Chiny®™©
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Adam and Eve
Posted: 10/5/2009 9:59:40 AM
Adam and Eve were the first two people in the Arabic/Jewish family and religious belief, not all humans that existed before, during and after A&E are related to A&E. The ancient religious texts that tell the campfire tales of the Arabs and Jews in “their own” small world of South-western Asia are exclusive to them and not inclusive of the many thousands of other human tribes that existed in the world.

Those other human tribes had their own indigenous religious beliefs that were not related to those of the Arabs and Jews including many that preceded the Arabic/Jewish philosophy.
Had it not been for the adoption of those Arabic/Jewish beliefs by a very powerful European Emperor whom then decreed it to be the religion of the Empire, forcing all its citizens to convert or die by the sword, then those beliefs would have simply been another Asian religion with no special credibility above any other.


"I'll increase your pain in labor"


Refers to the overall pain she felt for the betrayal of YHWH’s laws, this was a mental pain, not a physical pain such as childbirth. So YHWH added to the mental anguish she felt in her betrayal of her kind by adding physical pain to childbirth.
 Chiny®™©
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Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/4/2009 8:05:19 AM



Maybe we'll be eating soylent green in the not too distant future?



Or each other.


Must be a remake out or something cause back in the 70's when I saw the original "Soylent Green" it was "each other".
 Chiny®™©
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Mrs. Bush: History will vindicate her husband
Posted: 9/12/2009 10:32:10 AM

Afghanistan was a war forced upon the US after we were attacked by Osama Bin Ladin who was given refuge and support by the Taliban. Completely different that invading a sovereign nation that had not attacked us, against international law and for a variety of reasons that kept/keep changing as the old reasons don't fly anymore.


Using “international law” as a defence now? Interesting concept, but I’m pretty sure you mean “as long as it suits the US” for if the other guys were to use the same laws, then that would be a whole lotta crappola wouldn’t it?

History of the events shows that the US applied to the Afghan Courts for the extradition of OBL prior to 911. The Afghans agreed even announcing that they would arrest and hold OBL pending approval, but first as in any case for an extradition application by ANY country, the US must prove its case. The US was never able to provide conclusive evidence to the courts proving OBL’s involvement in any past terrorist hits on US personnel or assets. This remains so even to this day, post 911.

So the US said “awe fcuk you, you piss ant Muslim country” and threw International Law to the dogs. Stole the heartfelt impetus of world sentiment for the US as a result of 911 and invaded a sovereign country in bloodlust. As it turned out, a half hearted affair as the US turned in the midst of that invasion, leaving its Allies to vacillate, while it trotted off to Iraq at the same time threatening Iran, Syria and Pakistan. The world watched, listened and witnessed in disbelief the barbaric brutality of the US, what it was capable of and the moral fibre it so willingly abandoned.

All the lies, the fabrications and propaganda......never again!
 Chiny®™©
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when a race horse moves to slow, you must whip it
Posted: 9/12/2009 8:06:50 AM

I've heard from at least three different blokes from completely separate backgrounds that girls who ride horses are an incredible lay. I even developed a hypothesis, since I don't think it has anything to do with the physical nature of it and these guys didn't want to elaborate much more than to just shake me by the shoulders and tell me, they're just amazing in bed is all. I think it's because if you can bond with half a ton of muscle trying to gallop you into every overhanging branch on the trail and make it your best friend, you can bond sexually and make incredible orgasms.


Van.......at the races?

VVVVV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9KJbcZv_AY

 Chiny®™©
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Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 9/11/2009 8:33:23 AM
Don’t know if the movie “Cadillac Records” has been mentioned, but it may be of interest. Seems to be on point with the OP’s query?


Cadillac Records
Fuelled by the terrific sounds of the ’50s, and starring Beyonce Knowles, Adrien Brody, Cedric the Entertainer and Jeffrey Wright.

Cadillac Records tells the story of the Chicago record label Chess, which helped launch the careers of such pop icons as Chuck Berry and Muddy Waters.

Brody (The Pianist) plays Leonard Chess, one of the 1950s’ most influential music producers. He lured some of the world’s most talented and eminent blues artists into his recording studio. But giving these artists an opportunity to connect with an audience, and in turn become the mega-stars Chess believed they could be, wasn’t an easy task – not when so many of them had such easy access to booze and drugs. But as we all know, the climb to the top isn’t without effort.

Pop sensation Beyonce Knowles plays legendary singer Etta James, Jeffrey Wright (Quantum of Solace) is Muddy Waters, Gabrielle Union (Bring it On) is Geneva Wade, Mos Def (16 Blocks) is Chuck Berry and last, but not least, newcomer Eamonn Walker is Howlin' Wolf
 Chiny®™©
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Have you read these predictions about the Armageddon?
Posted: 9/10/2009 11:26:43 AM

Armageddon
I have heard others say it is getting close. And I tend to feel myself that were getting close .. However no one will be sure until you see the armies lining up on the battle fields..


Also there are plans in the works for the third temple.. vendel Jones the man that Indiana Jones, raiders of the lost ark movie was biased on claims he will have the ark of the covenant by September.. also they have all the blocks, temple tools and items already made.. there just waiting for the go ahead.. this is the temple that the anti christ is going to set in and proclaim him self GOD. These things make me think it’s close. Not a man saying ..it’s close.


And so the story goes.............

So many religions around and yet Europeans crave only the beliefs of the nomadic desert dwelling Semite Tribes of South-western Asia above all others. Why?.......Probably because a very powerful European Emperor decided that 300 years after his own predecessors had tortured and killed its Martyr, that he himself would adopt the religion which he then decreed to be the only religion acceptable in the empire. High Priests of the native European religions left the temples one night with their bags full of hocus-pocus and returned the next morning as Priests of the new religion with their bags full of ancient Semite texts.

No one could read the Semite writings that were in ancient Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew. That led to much corruption/manipulation of the original word as the Priests hurriedly invented a new religion to conform to the Emperors wishes. Soon Europeans were forced under threat of death if they did not convert to the new religion, so many did.
But the Semite beliefs were always “exclusive” to them only and were not “inclusive” of the many other non-Semite tribes that existed at the same time at all points of the compass whom had their own “exclusive” indigenous beliefs.

The Emperors Priests continued madly creating new traditions, new festivals, new laws and a new infrastructure that were alien to the Semite beliefs, manipulating the original word so much that it was corrupted beyond recognition. All of the re-scripting was carried out to make the new belief fit into a culture it never originated from and of a people it was never intended to primarily address.

The years passed with many attempts by the Europeans to conquer and subjugate the Semite Tribes of South-western Asia where their new European religion had originated and this had caused many deaths and much destruction in their bloodlust and need for possession. For a time the European invaders were successful and established their Kingdom of Jerusalem, a fortress from which they continued in their brutal reign over the Semite Tribes colouring the land red with their blood. But the Semite Tribes united, threw out the Europeans ending their Kingdom of Jerusalem and peace reigned for many centuries.

With greed/envy for each other’s lands, possessions and the differing opinions of the divergent sects that sprang out of their new religion, the European Nations began to war amongst themselves. This war spread engulfing the world and Europeans returned to South-western Asia curving up the lands to suit their own selfish covetousness. There was but a short interlude of relative peace amongst the Europeans for soon they were once again fighting amongst themselves and again the world was at war. This time they had developed unbelievably powerful weapons of mass destruction.
At the cease of hostilities that had seen the deaths of over 50million people and many millions of Semites, the Europeans returned to South-western Asia re-establishing their Kingdom of Jerusalem.

This time the re-established Kingdom was armed with such destructive power as to ensure its survival, backed by an even more powerful nation descended from Europeans that had conquered the lands of the Western Hemisphere. Its leader declaring the resumption of the Crusades on a Mission from God so wars, death and destruction had returned once again colouring God’s Promised Lands red with the blood of the Semites.

The new European conquerors believed themselves to be the new Chosen People of God and flew their banners boldly declaring “My Gods better than your God” and so the God that originally was the God of Abraham had come full circle this time, supposedly heading foreign armies raining death and destruction from beyond the horizon and gazing at their deeds from machines high in the heavens on the ripped and bloody carcasses of the Children of Abraham.

Then slowly but surely came the sudden realisation by those enlightened Europeans that they themselves were the harbingers of the end times, bringing on and fulfilling the Prophecies of the Bible’s Revelations. In their lust to be adopted into the family of Abraham the Europeans had heralded the coming of Armageddon and the final battle between the God of Abraham and the Anti-Christ who is unmasked in the reflection of the mirror. But this final of all battles, of all wars, of all death and destruction on Earth will have as Prophesised only one victor for all time and only one group of survivors for all time, the 144,000 Chosen Ones whom carry the Seal of YHWA.

As Prophesised, the God of Abraham honours His Covenant with the two sons of Abraham, with Ishmael, the eldest and his descendents for keeping the faith and providing sanctuary and protection for his younger brother Isaac and his descendents, the Children of the Book and source of YHWA’s Chosen Ones.

Oh......the Europeans? Well God warned of the dire consequences of claiming to be what you are not, nor ever could be......Chosen of Him. If only that darn European Emperor of 2000 years ago had adopted any other Asian religion, the outcome may have been better.

All is done.....it is ended as written and prophesised, amen.

 Chiny®™©
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Is KARMA a Comfort Word ?
Posted: 9/8/2009 4:57:35 PM

Think I like the simple idea put forward in a junky american movie

Pay it forward........but then dont just stop at one good deed.


Well....I guess a tenderly cosy movie depicting the explicitly sentimentalised human nature of children in their discoveries of the concepts of right and wrong, is not entirely off point when considering the basis behind the meaning of Karma. But you’re probably right if you mean that instilling virtues of right, wrong, benevolence and affability in a developing child is your understanding of the Buddhist Karma.

It’s a very early simple 2,500 year old tutorial for Indian peasants to implant basic concepts of giving consideration to the outcome of your actions prior to carrying them out. The cause and effect of your actions of which only you are in control of and no other, the consequences of which you should always be conscious of as the choice is yours to take or not.

But it’s still a junkie Seppo movie.
 Chiny®™©
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Is KARMA a Comfort Word ?
Posted: 9/7/2009 12:08:30 PM
My understanding of Karma as it relates to Buddhism is that all things will play out from the initial act itself, but within the bounds of nature and empirical scientific fact. The Buddha (Siddhartha Gautarma), never implied that some sort of cosmic/spiritual power or entity oversights the deeds of mankind and accordingly hands out adjudications and consequences of so called good or bad deeds. Nor that the ethics of “good” or “bad” can be wished upon others.

The Buddha taught that there is no omnipotent celestial entity taking account and that only you are in control of your Karma with your actions having immediate or long term consequences. The initial deed, Buddha taught, sets into motion a chain of events that leads to either good or bad circumstances, depending on the nature of the original deed.

Consider for instance one is walking down a mountain on a well trodden path, if one were to kick a small rock over the edge, the rock would fall picking up speed and knocking other rocks off the edge so that eventually an avalanche would form and bury the village, killing all the people in the valley below. This would be very bad Karma and even though you were not physically harmed by the avalanche that you caused, the chain of events you put into motion will continue to ripple outwards for a long time affecting friends and loved ones of the village people, impacting your own moral profundity as well.

Had you contemplated the ramifications of kicking the initial rock, within the realms of nature and scientific fact, you would never have done so and you would have remained vigilant of the prime Buddhist directive of “Do No Harm”. Buddha taught that Karma is simply the cause and effect of our actions the consequences of which we should always be conscious of.

Somewhat of a naive definition you may think, but not if you factor in the intellectual level of mankind over 2,500 years ago.


Thats when i started to embrace the eastern philosophies, moreso than the christianity that had been instilled in me as a child at school.


Jesus and His philosophies are Eastern in origin. Jesus never preached, lectured or gave a sermon in the West; His mission from God on Earth was with the Children of Abraham in Asia. The only time Jesus addressed a European was at His trial when He was judged by Pontius Pilate, Procurator of Judea in Rome’s Asia Province. His European captors then tortured and killed Him.
 Chiny®™©
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Some Christians take the Bible literally what about this idea !! re-iterated
Posted: 9/5/2009 8:52:27 AM

Before the Sahara was a desert it was apperently a grassland only about 20k yrs ago , the nomadic pastorialistic ppls on that grassland were basically locked into this migrational movement around that grassland enviroment ,following herds of cows migrational ungulates in what seems like a symbiosis of some sort ?.


Except cows originated in Asia not Africa.

Prehistoric cattle originated many millions of years ago in India, and by early Pleistocene times had migrated to Europe, North Africa, and the rest of Asia. Modern cattle are descendants of two species, the wild cattle of Europe (Bos taurus) and the humpbacked cattle of Asia (Bos indicus).
Pleistocene times are defined as spanning the interval from 1.8m.y.B.P. to 10,000 years B.P. The onset of Pleistocene brought a cooler climate, glaciations and a wave of mammalian migration from the east to the west on the Asian Supercontinent.


Then i am suggesting that the ppls who wrote the fist bible stories a few thousand years later were obviously concerned that their ancestors were being punished by a over jealous god and a devil serpent had tricked them , not realising at the time that it was nothing more than enviromental change causing an upheaval of the previous partnership style of nomadic lifestyle now thrown into disequalibrum .


If we put to one side the parallels of the Biblical stories to that of their much older Sumerian, Egyptian and Indus tales, the Bibles stories are related exclusively to the nomadic desert dwelling Semitic Tribes of South-western Asia only. They are not inclusive of all the peoples that inhabited the Earth either long before the Semites or at the same time as the Semites.


The following is a list of ancient Semitic peoples.
• Akkadians — migrated into Mesopotamia in the late 4th millennium BC and amalgamate with non-Semitic Mesopotamian (Sumerian) populations into the Assyrians and Babylonians of the Late Bronze Age.[2][3]
• Eblaites — 23rd century BC
• Aramaeans — 16th to 8th century BC[4][5] / Akhlames (Ahlamu) 14th century BC[6]
• Ugarites, 14th to 12th centuries BC
• Canaanite language speaking nations of the early Iron Age:
o Amorites
o Ammonites
o Edomites
o Hebrews/Israelites — founded the nation of Israel which later split into the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The remnants of these people became the Jews and Samaritans.
o Moabites
o Phoenicians — founded Mediterranean colonies including Carthage
• Old South Arabian speaking peoples
o Sabaeans of Yemen — 9th to 1st c. BC
• Ethio-Semitic speaking peoples
o Aksumites — 4th c. BC to 7th c. AD
• Arabs, Old North Arabian speaking Bedouins
o Gindibu's Arabs 9th c. BC
o Lihyanites — 6th to 1st c. BC
o Thamud people — 2nd to 5th c. AD
o Ghassanids — 3rd to 7th c. AD
o Nabataeans — adopted Arabic in the 4th century AD


Does your ancestry fall anywhere within the above list?

There were many thousands of tribes of humans that existed on Earth either adjacent to the South-western Asia of the Semites or far removed at various points of the compass, that were there at the same time as well as long before the Semitic Tribes even came to be.


" The bible is nothing more then one gigantic astrological allegory. Every main story in there..adam and eve, noah, jesus...are all nothing but stories about the sun and stars and constellations. "

whats the bit about the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge all about then , does that relate to astronomy aswell ?


Maybe, but importantly the Semitic Peoples believe it to be a religious account of their God and their origins......it is their religious faith. If you are not of Semitic origins it would have as much meaning to you as any of the other Asian faiths.

Curiously, how much time do you spend questioning or pondering the precepts of Hinduism, Taoism or other Asian systems of belief? Do you ever hypothesize on your own native European religious beliefs? If not, why not as they should have the same degree of credibility to you as the Semites have in their religious beliefs?

 Chiny®™©
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With all due respect?
Posted: 9/3/2009 6:43:41 AM

The phrase “with all due respect” is it a double edged sword?


No. “With all due respect” when used at the prelude to a disagreeing statement is simply good manners that is indicative of a civilised polite interaction between two people of opposing opinions.

 Chiny®™©
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South African rape survey shock
Posted: 9/2/2009 11:20:42 AM
Poster 3,

The Reckoning: The Battle for the International Criminal Court.

The Reckoning follows the ICC’s (International Criminal Court) Prosecutor as he and his team confront the most challenging of armed conflict situations, compiling evidence of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in order to build cases against leaders of the Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda, militia leaders in the Democratic Republic of Congo, and the President of Sudan.


I note you’re championing the ICC, like yourself I also believe that the ICC is a platform for good and a posse of law for rogue/unlawful evil doers in 21st century. The ICC has jurisdiction over four groups of serious crimes of concern to the international community as a whole. These are the crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and the crime of aggression. Some member states are also lobbying for terrorism, drug trafficking and the use of WMD to be added to the list of crimes that the ICC can adjudicate and impose punishments on.

The two most stand-out nations not to sign and ratify the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court are the USA and Israel.

President Clinton signed the ICC Treaty in 2000, stating that he agreed with the proposed role and aims of the ICC but needed to reassess the implications of the Treaty against the US Constitution before he would ratify it. In 2002 President Bush withdrew Clinton’s signature stating that the US would never recognise the ICC. Since his election President Obama has signalled an end to US hostility towards the ICC, but no formal policy to sign and ratify the Treaty has as yet surfaced.

Israel remains non-committal fearing, the ICC will force the issue of illegal Israeli settlements on lands the UN had mandated to be Palestinian - disputes over definitions of terrorism could find and place Israel itself under the scrutiny of the ICC - Israel has no say or sway in the appointment of ICC Judges or for there ever being an Israeli Judge appointed and lastly - Israel feels that the far reaching powers of the ICC would be open to abuse against Israel. All amazingly recalcitrant, but surprising statements from a country whose citizens are supposed to have suffered more than most in hostilities where there was no ICC. Thus Israel will not ratify the ICC Treaty.

Given that your own country the USA does not recognise the ICC and the US’s overall influence over many nations, via threatening denial of future weapons and financial aid, in order to deny the ICC interventional jurisdiction for the US’s own political reasons, how do you perceive the ICC as a force for good and of one to contend with in the 21st century?
For instance the ICC is presently investigating the atrocities in Darfur, Sudan on the recommendation and consent of the UNSC, but the US has “veto powers” in the UNSC and so if for its own political reasons the US decided to exercise its veto, the ICC would have been denied jurisdiction. This also applies to the other permanent members of the UNSC.
It’s just that I feel that the ICC should not be shackled to the political whims of the very influential powers as at some point that influence will be abused.
 Chiny®™©
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Santa Claus and Zeus
Posted: 9/1/2009 6:15:43 PM

"I am in him and you are in me"(Jesus). This understanding has been around way before Jesus' time, and is even found in eastern philosophy.


And is even found in Eastern philosophy..........huh?
Where do you think Jesus Christ is from?
 Chiny®™©
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Santa Claus and Zeus
Posted: 8/31/2009 9:20:58 AM

That's quite detailed information. But it is NOT mentioned in every discussion of Santa Claus.


Scorps your methodology of contesting a claim via a “gentle push” of the contender in the right direction so as to uncover evidence to the contrary, is indeed a good strategy. It appears beyond doubt, that there is no basis for claiming what the colours of the robes worn by the Wise Men were, nor is it written that there were even “three” of them. I can only say that my understanding was a residual left over from early childhood Anglican Sunday School classes. Such is the folly of religious indoctrination of the developing human brain in not yet fully cognisant children. Surely a crime on par with paedophilia but nonetheless supported by parents and still continues unchecked to this day.

Accordingly, I stand duly rebuked regarding the colours of Santa’s suit. Touché.

However the assertion that the colours were originated by Coca-Cola has also been soundly refuted by Snopes.com;


Illustrations of lavishly bearded Santas (and his predecessors), showing figures clothed in red suits (and hats), with white fur trimming, held together with broad black belts, were also common long before Coca-Cola’s advertisement first appeared, as evidenced by these examples from, 1906, 1908 and 1925, respectively; http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp


That’s not saying that Coca-Cola didn’t play a part in Santa Claus’s successful coup d’état of Saint Nicholas, as Coke played a major part in the world-wide popularisation of the secular Santa Claus.

As to Father Christmas; yes Father Christmas originally wore green but that was associated with his original persona of “Old Winter” in the original Pagan Druidism religious beliefs of the UK that went back hundreds of years before the adoption of Christianity. With the ever pervasive US culture, Old Winter popularly morphed into Father Christmas in red devoid of his green coat in full unison with the secular US style commercialism that birthed Santa Claus as opposed to the original Saint Nicholas of Christianity.

I do wonder though Scorp, if your “scoff” of Bishop Nicholas had anything to do with his participation in Council of Nicene that had declared the Christian doctrine of Jesus as the Trinity of father, son and holy ghost and so Christian sects which had maintained a Jewish outlook towards the Jewish laws and customs were now declared heretical.
By defining Jesus as God and making Jews killers of God, faithful Christians could now be justified in mounting massive persecutions and pogroms against the God-killing Jews, from around 3rd century AD onward?

Perhaps I digress too far?
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 237 (view)
 
Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 4:05:28 AM

What in heaven's name, is your problem? Why isnt a collective of people governing better than giving all the power to corporations and to individual enterprise (ie. market domination)? Why is that word, socialism, so profane to Americans?


As with everything political in the USA, when it comes down to the hard facts regardless of which president or political party is in power, it’s always all smoke and mirrors in the USA.

Scrutiny of annual US Gov’t Budgets reveals the largest social spending programmes that trounce all other Western Nations every time.

From the highest peaks of piousness the USA screams foul of all things “Socialism”, in tandem with squawking the great benefits of “Capitalism”, whilst all along financing and practising the largest public spending social programmes of any Western Nation on the planet.

It’s all smoke and mirrors!
 Chiny®™©
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Santa Claus and Zeus
Posted: 8/29/2009 11:28:05 AM
Well........I just could not let this go without inserting my own discernment in that I suspect that the historian looking back from the future, will be a little more exigent to delusions than the historian of today looking back at the past, but is so thoroughly duped in spite of his much vaunted wisdom. What I mean by that is the historians of the future will most definitely be of a higher order of intellect than the historians of today due to the benefit of a much lengthier foundation in retrospection. Stands to reason surely?


Frankly, I'd be surprised if an anthropologist doesn't say that Xmas is the most important time of the year (it certainly is to businesses), and that since the main figure "around" in our time is Santa, that the most important mythological figure of Western society is Santa Claus.


I doubt it........we already know today that Santa Claus was the creation of US poet Washington Irwin, written in New Amsterdam (later renamed New York). New Amsterdam was full of Dutch settlers and the Patron Saint of Holland is Sinter Klaas which is Dutch for Saint Nicholas or Hagios Nikolas, the 4th century Bishop of Myra, in South Western Asia who endlessly gave to the poor, the orphaned and Myra’s other wretched. Irwin corrupted Sinter Klaas into Santa Claus and an American fantasy was born.

The original day of giving gifts was Saint Nicholas Day, 6th December which was also warped to 25th December.

American political cartoonist Thomas Nast cemented the image of the modern Santa Claus into American minds when he drew Santa for the cover for Harper’s Weekly. Nast's Santa was a benevolent figure with a ruddy complexion in a red suit, the image stuck and Nast continued to draw the annual Harper’s Santa cover slowly adding the sleigh, reindeer and his home at the North Pole until eventually the original Hagios Nikolas seamlessly morphed from a South West Asian into a European and then into a new home at the North Pole.

Another American name for Santa Claus is Kris Kringle which is yet another American corruption of the European original. The American movie “Miracle on 34th Street” was the main catalyst for this fantasy’s manifestation. The name is a mispronunciation of "Christkindl” which is German for Christ Child.


They might even go so far as to say that Santa is an old man because our society is misogynistic, and that he wears a red suit, because it is the colour of blood, showing how Santa was a violent and vicious god, and that our society fought vicious wars in the name of Santa, like World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.


Hmmm........maybe, but it’s a bit of a stretch though as we already know today that the red suit is taken from the Three Wise Men who brought gifts to the baby Jesus. In European recounting of the story of the Three Wise Men they always drop the “From the East” part. It’s believed that the “From the East” meant from Persia, a great scholarly nation at the time whose upper class scholars (wise men), usually wore red and white coloured robes in the same vein as Romans always wore white Togas, the characteristic badge of Roman citizenship.

As for Zeus.......well there is more than adequate evidence - now - that Zeus was a Greek mythological God. No more than a very ancient fantasy from a society that bordered Asia and – may or may not – have adopted many beliefs, practises and knowledge from its older and larger neighbour.
 Chiny®™©
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multiple ethnicity search
Posted: 8/27/2009 1:22:46 AM

I am interested in searching among more than one ethnicity, but not all of them. It would be nice if an advanced search allowed the user to select more than one option for ethnicity, just like it does for "Search Type", "Body Type", "Smarts", and "Income".


Do you know how many ethnicities there are on earth?

I’ll hazard a guess for you.......“some thousands”. That’ll suffice for me as the research and count would take up a humungous amount of time.


Perhaps allowing someone to select multiple ethnicities on their profile (just as I have suggested above for the search feature) would be helpful to those who identify with more than one ethnicity but aren't necessarily a "mixed race". (i.e. Asian/Indian or Caucasian/European).


Huh?...........If you mean Indians from India, well they ARE Asian. There are also many ethnicities amongst the Indian peoples. If you are still clinging to the outdated 19th century German inventions of “Races”, then Indians could be Caucasian or Australoid or Mongoloid (Himalayan Indians). But the vast majority of Indians are of the Caucasian Race.

Again Europe contains many ethnicities and even sub-ethnicities within those ethnicities just like everywhere else on the planet. All Europeans are of the Caucasian Race except for the Aboriginals of Scandinavia, the Saami (Asian), whom Anthological Academia believes to be the remnants of the original settlers of Europe.
 Chiny®™©
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Afghanistan War
Posted: 8/25/2009 1:43:01 AM
Earthpuppy and xxxDinoxxx have rendered an accurate account of the situation regarding Afghanistan and the propaganda (BS) surrounding US and Allied involvement. There is little point in adding my own elucidation other than what would be just repeating what has already been candidly conveyed. However, I thought you, the reader, might regard the story as portrayed by an Afghan woman, a Member of the Afghan Parliament with a little more credence.


Afghanistan needs to find its own way to democracy:
Malalai Joya

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 30/06/2009
Reporter: Kerry O'Brien
Malalai Joya spent much of her childhood in refugee camps in Iran and Pakistan, before returning to Afghanistan in the 1990s, working to promote women's health and education. Joya was elected to parliament, has survived assassination attempts, travels with a bodyguard, but may stand again at the August election. A secular Muslim, she's a critic of fundamentalists in the Taliban and the northern alliance and says her country needs to find its own way to democracy without military intervention.

Transcript
KERRY O'BRIEN, PRESENTER: Malalai Joya spent much of her childhood in refugee camps in Iran and Pakistan before returning to her Afghanistan home in the Taliban-era of the late nineties, working underground to promote women's health and education for girls. She burst into the public eye with a brief but electrifying public appearance at a constitutional assembly in Kabul in 2003 called Loya Jirga.

A meeting dominated by the powerful men of Afghanistan, including the former Mujahedeen commanders and even some ex-Taliban officials. She was 23, and all of five feet tall. 90 seconds into her address she was shut down and thrown out of the assembly. Here's what she had to say.

MALALAI JOYA, AFGHAN PARLIAMENTARIAN: My name is Malalai Joya from the Farah Province. With the permission of all those present - and in respect of the martyrs who were killed I would like to speak. I wish to criticise my compatriots in this room. Why would you allow criminals to be present at this Loya Jirga?

War lords are responsible for our country's situation. Afghanistan is the centre for national and international conflicts. They oppress women and have ruined our country. They should be prosecuted. They might be forgiven by the Afghan people but not by history.


KERRY O'BRIEN: It would be fair to say that many of the men in that room had never been spoken to like that by a woman before.

Malalai Joya was subsequently elected to parliament, but not allowed to speak, has survived assassination attempts, travels with a permanent bodyguard, moves from safe house to safe house but may stand again at the national elections in August.

A secular Muslim, she's a fierce critic of fundamentalists in both the Taliban and the Northern Alliance and says her country needs to find its own way to democracy without the military intervention of America and its allies including Australia. She's here promoting her book, "Raising My Voice", and I spoke with her in Sydney.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Malalai Joya we've heard a lot about the bad things - the negatives - after you spoke out at Afghanistan's constitutional assembly in 2003. Threats to your life, the need to travel in disguise with bodyguards. What were the positives, what were the good things that came from you speaking out?

MALALAI JOYA: As you ask about my speech after Loya Jirga, the positive points I want to say that lots of support came from the innocent, poor suffering people of my country, men and women around Afghanistan. And the main positive points was that the masks of these fundamentalist war lords and criminals has been peeled for the great people around the world as they deceive them, and they are in power after 9/11 tragedy. These fundamentalist war lords of Northern Alliance become imposed on our people and continue their crimes and violence against men and women of our country.

And I got international support from different countries around the world in the US and here in Australia.

KERRY O'BRIEN: What difference did it make for you, becoming a member of parliament?

MALALAI JOYA: From the beginning in parliament when I want to talk they turn off the microphone, they threaten me these war lords, as majority of seats of parliament belongs to war lords, drug lords and criminals who destroyed Afghanistan. But today unfortunately they are in parliament and even made Amnesty Law, that criminal forgive themselves despite international condemnation. But it was easy for them to pass this law, and one reason that they expel me form parliament was that because inside of parliament I raised my voice against this.

KERRY O'BRIEN: How many assassination attempts have there been?

MALALAI JOYA: Until 2003, five times they did assassination attempts against me. Has now changing the houses and it’s up to the area that how much it is secure and how many I could spend there.

KERRY O'BRIEN: What was the attempt that came closest to succeeding?

MALALAI JOYA: One that was very close was when I went to my home village in Farah Province. When we want to return - when I went there friends and enemies all become aware that I'm there, but when we return in our way on approach they put bomb, We were lucky that before we arrived in exploded. In many times their planning has been exposed when they are planning to kill me they don't know that in every corner of Afghanistan I have my supporters and among their meetings sometimes their planning gets exposed. For example, when they want to beat me in parliament.

KERRY O'BRIEN: What real gains have been made since the fall of the Taliban for girls and for women?

MALALAI JOYA: There are not only Taliban who committed many crimes against men and women in our country. Especially women during the 30 Years War, they were the main and first victims and still many violences against them. But after 9/11 tragedy unfortunately because the US and its allies brought into power these fundamentalist Northern Alliance, who are mentally the same like Taliban but physically has been changed. They are in power and control Afghanistan.

There's no justice in Afghanistan. Even in front of the court of Laghman Province a woman burn herself because her husband do violence against her and when she go to the court there is no justice. Always these fundamentalists mix Islam with politics and use it as a weapon against women of my country.

This is a picture from 1967. That how the girls - groups by groups enjoy on the streets of Kabul as they wish. They wear clothes without scarf, and they're going to schools without worrying that someone will kidnap or rape or kill them. The US and its allies want to pretend to the people around the world, to show them this is the first time we brought women's right to Afghanistan, which is quite - lies.

KERRY O'BRIEN: But haven't there been basic human rights established for women in the constitution since 2001?

MALALAI JOYA: We have in our constitution rights for women and even some shortcomings of the constitution have, especially regarding the woman issue - it's not very clear. But if we put this constitution in practice, then should be hopefully positive changes slowly come in Afghanistan. But the problem is that today in Afghanistan we have jungle law. There is no freedom of press, while we have in our constitution and this freedom that even inside of parliament two journalists have been beaten just because they show the crimes of the war lords through TV or dare to write about their crimes or to talk about them. Some of them has been killed, like Shaima Rezayee has been killed. Like Zakia Zaki in Parwan in her house has been killed as she was a brave woman who always said the truth. Shokiba Sanga Amaaj in Kabul under the eyes and nose of the thousands of US troops has been killed. Ajmal Naqshbandi was a young journalist by Taliban has been kidnapped and become beheaded.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Will the election change anything?

MALALAI JOYA: Our people has no hope on this election. It's a showcase for US Government under the shield of gun war lords, drug lords, awful corruption and occupation forces, has no legitimacy at all.

KERRY O'BRIEN: But do you...

MALALAI JOYA: Only one puppet can't be replaced with another puppet.

KERRY O'BRIEN: You have been critical of President Barack Obama for increasing the American military presence in Afghanistan. But without the Americans, and NATO in Afghanistan, wouldn't your country simply descend again into a dangerous civil war, essentially between the war lords and the Taliban and Al Qaeda?

MALALAI JOYA: Everyone is talking about this time the civil war happen but what's going on today - let's do talk about - itself is like a civil war. Today our people are between two enemies, internal enemies Taliban, who are anti-US terrorists - and Northern Alliance, who are pro-US terrorists.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Where will your people, as you call them, find the strength and the power to defeat both the fundamentalists of the Northern Alliance, the war lords and the Taliban?

MALALAI JOYA: I strongly believe that no nation can donate liberation to another nation. This is the responsibility of our own people to fight for their rights to achieve values like democracy and women's rights, human rights in our country. It's a prolonged struggled, it's a risky struggle full of hardships and challenges but I trust on my people. On the history of my country.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Let me put this proposition - and this is what you are arguing against - that the only way to a true democracy has to be a very slow very painful one, maybe over decades, but that it can only happen, if in the short-term, America and NATO work to beat the Taliban and give your people a chance then to focus on democratically overcoming the war lords and the fundamentalists?

MALALAI JOYA: Only the democratic-minded men and women in some parties in Afghanistan, modern parties, democratically-minded intellectuals ... we have a democrat men and women of my country, they are the only alternative for the bright future of Afghanistan as people trust on them and they don't have bloody hands and they really believe in democracy.

KERRY O'BRIEN: You have been banned from attending the parliament, even though you are still a member of parliament. Will you run in the next election?

MALALAI JOYA: Many requests coming from people from different parts of Afghanistan. When directly underground I have an appointment with them. When they are calling me and even they are asking me to run for the presidential election and also for parliamentary election that what we can do. But as they wish I will do that, but at least now I am not sure about my tomorrow as these enemies, these fundamentalists, these war lords. As they know I never do compromise with them and they threat me more today and I have to be careful, but as much as I can, but as I am young I have energy. I wish to be alive as I have lots of hopes for the future of my country to do something for them, and more in the future.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Are you saying it is possible still, that you will run in the election and that you might even contest the presidential election?

MALALAI JOYA: I trust my people. I love my people and of course they wish I will do that but let's see that for the future. Now I can't say anything, as you know that as Brecht saying that those who do struggle may fail but those who do not has already failed. Just as I do my responsibility as much as I could serve my people. I don't have this dream that one day to be President of my country but if my people want - as today I'm a member of parliament, tomorrow as they wish I will do.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Malalia Joya thank you very much for talking to us.

Transcript of interview; http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2009/s2612972.htm
A video of the interview is also available at the above page.

(my highlighting)
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 35 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 8/21/2009 9:12:25 AM

In the process and in reaching this harmonious life within what you perceive as the realm of the natural environment that is void of the turmoil created by mans eternal material desires, undermines the reality of physical birth from genetic parents, undermines sexual freedom, has undermined the concept of each's ability to build on their own merits such as material successes, have also brought disillusionment in the reality of crimes and justification through the Justice of the Courts as having detached from the world environment. It undermines the reality of LIFE and FREEDOM of your own decisions by your actions to make for a better lifestyle while still experiencing your individuality in self and respecting the differences in others. Have come under delusion of grandeur and have hypnotised yourself into believing a false presence of peace, love & harmony. Man is only capable of conditional love and not unconditional love.


OK.....I can empathise with your misgivings as per your examples quoted above; however I don’t believe detraction from the original Buddhist canon should now be endorsed or even encouraged. To do that would be akin to adopting and then adapting the doctrine to fit into the adopting culture effectively minus any of the originating culture and vision. In short.......corrupting the philosophy to be compatible and consistent with Western cultures and values. The very same thing that happened to the teachings of Yeshua bar Yosef.......I thought it was once bitten, twice shy?

Certainly you would encounter difficulties living within a city such as Toronto and attempting to live the life of a Buddha. But you forget that over 2,500 years ago the original Buddha discovered enlightenment living a life in total absence of anything remotely equivalent to what you now have available to you in Toronto.

Perhaps you should study the Buddhist Kingdom of “Thamanya” deep in the jungles of Burma that was established without interference from one of the worst tyrannies in the modern world, the despotic Military Junta of General Than Shwe of Burma.

The Sayadaw, a Buddhist monk who is now around 74 years old, started Thamanya from his solitary hilltop mediative retreat. The Sayadaw’s Buddhist principles have created a utopian communal settlement that attracts pilgrims from across South East Asia and has grown to a sizeable township offering a uniquely religious lifestyle and all of it independent of the Military Junta Gov’t.

All are welcome in Thamanya, no weapons are allowed, no meat is consumed in accordance with Buddhist beliefs of vegetarianism and “do no harm” and Buddhist pilgrims need bring nothing but the cloths they are wearing as Thamanya provides for everything. The Sayadaw only requests that those, whom aren’t studying Buddhism, attend the farms growing vegetables for community consumption.

Many in North America will immediately think another “Jones Town” but no anyone can come and go as they please even Burmese Army Soldiers have been known to unofficially visit minus their weapons for periods of peace.
Check it out.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 33 (view)
 
a Buddhist critique of the existence of God
Posted: 8/20/2009 8:50:13 AM

I wasn't saying anything at all about the existence of either a "god" or a "God". All I am asking is why buddhists, or Buddhists, if you prefer, perform rituals seemingly aimed at physical statues of Buddha, when what has been said so far in this thread is that Buddhists don't acknowledge a "God".


There are ritualistic gestures/symbolisms known as “Mudras” in the poses that those statues represent and I have copied them below FYI.


The five most common mudras are the Abhaya Mudra (right hand raised and palm facing out, with the left hand down toward the hips and also facing out, symbolizing peaceful intentions and peacemaking); the Bhumisparsha mudra (all five fingers of the right hand reaching to touch the ground, symbolizing the enlightenment of the Buddha under the Bodhi tree); the Dhyana mudra (one or both hands in the lap, symbolizing wisdom, possibly supplemented by ritual objects such as an alms bowl); the Dharmachakra mudra (the thumb and index finger of both hands touch at their tips to form a circle, symbolizing the Wheel of Dharma); and the Varada mudra (both hands at waist level, palms out, right hand up and left hand down).


There of course other regional Mudras but the above 5 are universal to all.

The answer you seek is simply that Buddhism is not a religion; it is a philosophy for a harmonious life within the realm of the natural environment that is void of the turmoil created by mans eternal material desires.
That which you refer to as “prayer” is in fact “meditation” with concentration aided by a repetitive mantra. No “appeal” to a deity or any “other” is sought; the practiser is instead seeking insight into the reality of essential life from knowledge contained at different levels within the self.

It is through deep meditation that an individual’s journey in seeking the realization of all knowledge of which culminates in an awakening to enlightenment.

Around 500BC the very first Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama, a Royal of a Northern Indian Kingdom, abandoned his wife, child and Kingdom to find a way to end suffering which he called the eight-fold path. This eight-fold path is a guideline to ethical and mental development with the goal of freeing the individual from all attachments and delusions, at which time an understanding of the truth regarding all things will be self evident.

There is no harm in Europeans embracing Asian philosophies; however the rot sets in when Europeans are not only desirous of adoption but of ownership as well. The cultural abyss between East and West is the catalyst for the undermining and corruption of the original philosophy and the creation of an “us” versus “them” divide once that ownership is complete. A classic example of this phenomenon is when Europeans adopted the teachings of Yeshua bar Yosef and consequently corrupted His teachings into the erroneous travesty of what He taught for reasons of European cultural imperatives such as power and wealth.
This is well illustrated in the conflicts of the past 2000 years as well as today where the God of Abraham and his descendents, the Semites of South-western Asia, has morphed into a European God and then returned to SW Asia with a catchphrase of “my God’s better than your God” assertion.
 Chiny®™©
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China one-dog law
Posted: 8/18/2009 7:22:16 AM

The matter of being responsible for one's pets is separate from the consideration of how many pets one has. I believe the government should police irresponsible pet ownership, not multiple-pet ownership. An irresponsible owner of a single dog can lead to a whole lot of nasty piles on the sidewalk.

There’s a lot more at stake than just doggie do on the foot paths, such as going feral, disease and hunger in an animal that will revert to hunting in packs for meat......any meat! Including your cats or worse.......the children.

Illegal dog-keeping has been blamed by authorities on a spate of rabies outbreaks across China


BTW just as an aside, the origin of the dog is China, from China they were introduced to the rest of the world following the migrations of man. Every dog in the world carries the DNA of its Chinese matriarchal Eve.


Of course, we're talking about a society where the number of children a couple is allowed to produce is under regulation. It's hard to comprehend.


Not really, most of the world (not the USA, of course), recognise and applaud China’s efforts at population control and this includes all the concerned agencies of the UN.

The population of China is 1.33 billion and is forecast to reach 1.4 billion in 2010, peaking in around 2030 before beginning to decline. This is all due to China’s determination to control the size of its population to sensible environmentally supportable levels.

To achieve those goals China brought in the “One Child Policy” (OCP) in 1979.

Within China there are 56 different ethnic groups of which the “Han” are the largest at 91% of the total population, about 1.2 billion people. The OCP applies only to the Han and does not apply to the other 55 ethnicities.
This fact is never acknowledged, usually skipped over by politically motivated US disparagers whom are always contemptuous of anything China on the one hand, whilst the other extended hand solicits financial assistance. Ahhh.....to bite the hand that feeds.

Can you imagine the US Gov’t and its law enforcement agencies coping really well if the population of the USA was 1.4 billion people? 1.4 Billion, fully armed people, I can’t even imagine the number of cars 1.4 billion Americans would have and all demanding total freedom and copious amounts of petrol/diesel, cocaine, hamburgers, hotdogs, fried chicken and ammunition.
I think China is coping quite well considering the impediments the US places on them.


While pampered pedigree dogs are a regular sight on the streets of major cities like Guangzhou and Beijing, the boom has spiked the number of strays as pets get abandoned.


It’s different in the US though, isn’t it?


TOO MUCH TROUBLE? Every year, people in the United States abandon millions of cats and dogs. Why? They may find that a pet needs more care than they expected. Or they may decide to go on vacation and don't want to take a pet along. Maybe they bought a pet while on vacation and don't want to take it home.
TOUGH LUCK. Most abandoned pets aren't as lucky as Kitty. Many starve to death. Others get sick and die. Lots get killed on highways. And many get picked up as strays and end up being "put to sleep."
TROUBLE FOR WILDLIFE. Some abandoned dogs and cats do learn to kill wild animals to survive. That's good for them but bad for wildlife. More trouble comes from pets that are allowed to run loose--like some of the dogs in this story. Each year, dogs and cats on the loose kill millions of songbirds and other small animals.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EPG/is_n5_v30/ai_18188210/?tag=content;col1
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 2 (view)
 
logging in to POF from FIREFOX
Posted: 8/17/2009 8:54:15 AM

If you have problems logging in to POF as I have you may need to install INTERNET EXPLORER and adjust your settings from there.I could not adjust from FIREFOX and am surprised that POF admin could not advise me to that end.I have been locked out for months.Cheers


Thats wierd!

I've been using Firefox since 2006, been a member of PoF for the same period and never have I had any problems logging on to PoF using Firefox. Perhaps it has something to do with your ISP. Many ISP's will only support IE, MS sewed up that market.......somehow.

Try......
In Firefox, select Tools, scroll down and select "Clear Private Data", there may be some corruption there and clearing the lot may solve it.

 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 29 (view)
 
Does a Fully Coherent You, Have the Rite to chose How/When to Die ?
Posted: 8/12/2009 9:29:33 AM

The West Australian newspaper reports Mr Rossiter attempted to commit suicide in the early 1990s.

Mr Rossiter said he had swallowed painkillers and tried to drown himself while severely depressed and in pain after being badly injured in a fall from a 30-metre building in 1988.

He became a quadriplegic last year when he was struck by a car while cycling.


Whilst probably not making any difference to his present application/situation, it is nonetheless of interest that the applicant attempted suicide several years prior to the accident that left him a quadriplegic. No doubt the court will be taking that past attempt into account in its deliberations.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 33 (view)
 
Irrational fears.
Posted: 8/12/2009 5:58:31 AM

I had a MRI a while back and as I am claustrophobic I was given a sedative for it. I felt sick when I saw the machine and even though my head didn’t have to go in, and I was doped up, I ended up clenching my teeth so hard I chipped one, broke into a dripping sweat, and then shook so much they had to keep starting again and redoing it.


Ahhh.........when you're lying down on that platform that moves you into the MRI tunnel, ask the Radiologist to place a oxygen hose on your chest, fixed with a bit of tape so that it blows continually at your mouth and nostrils (gives you the feeling of being outdoors). Close your eyes and don't open them again till all is done.
Much better then being drugged up.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 243 (view)
 
How Good Do You Have To Be To Get Into Heaven?
Posted: 8/11/2009 4:54:34 PM

Well this certainly was good for a chuckle. Talk about something being "completely misrepresented." You're stating that a human being "invented" "the divine human soul" and "invented" "an afterlife." Does no one else see the ridiculousness of this?


Ridiculousness............no.......pretty much spot on actually.

The religious beliefs of nomadic desert dwelling Semitic Tribes of South-western Asia, from over 2,000 years ago are idiosyncratic to those Semitic people and are not inclusive of the many other tribes of humans that existed at the same time, either directly adjacent to Semitic lands or at extreme distance to them.
Semite tribe’s people had no knowledge of “others” beyond their immediate corner of South-western Asia. Their religious beliefs formed around their small corner of the world and from that perspective, their religious philosophies are pertinent to only them and were extraneous to “others” outside of their tribal establishment.

The Semite people’s religious philosophies remained exclusively within the Semite family with outsiders expressly forbidden by their own religious scholars and laws. What changed was the decision of a powerful European Emperor to adopt the Semites religion and make it the religion of state.

Europeans were then forced under threat of death to adopt the new religion.

With the passing of over 2,000 years since the adoption, pseudo religious practises, formalities and infrastructure were instituted and ingrained into European society much the same as being “lulled” into habits that mollified Europeans into a complacency that tolerates no other than what has been so for the past 2,000 years.

European beliefs of the soul, heaven and hell are only some of the many beliefs that are not supported in the original Semitic Scriptures.
 Chiny®™©
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should we focus on arab resentment of the west as a mid-east peace plan?
Posted: 8/11/2009 8:26:58 AM

I examine the validity of dialogue in the prevention of Iran's nuclear arms ambitions after 8 utterly useless years of diplomacy with supposedly moderate and hardline regimes


Perhaps a re-evaluation of your analysis of the largely adversarial stand-off between the US, Israel and Iran would be constructive. Try asking yourself pertinent questions regarding the climate surrounding the souring of relations with Iran.

A suggestion:-
1. What is the history of US, Israel relations with Iran?
2. Have US, Israeli intentions towards Iran followed altruistic lines?
3. What and how has Iran’s actions towards the US and Israel positively demonstrated a hostile intent void of provocation from others?
4. Has the US and Israel deliberately provoked/goaded/incited Iran into a corner.
5. If Iran is indeed in a corner and because of this is thus seeking an equivalent military capability to that, with which it is constantly being threatened with, would it not then be prudent to remove that threat?
6. Once the threat was removed, wouldn’t it be replaced with peaceful meaningful dialogue and normal international trade?

In your research in answer to the above, a good idea would to address each question and answer completely disconnected from your national loyalties to any party. You may be in for a surprise that hopefully will reveal a whole other world that insular thought has hidden from you for so many years.
 Chiny®™©
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Msg: 25 (view)
 
Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day,
Posted: 8/10/2009 8:07:39 AM

America was founded upon Judeo-Christian ideals and values.



Our laws and government are based upon Judeo/Christian principles that provide for freedoms of religion without a State religion.


You really love pushing this belief of “Judeo/Christian” connectivity don’t you?

Well......to eternally foist Christianity onto Judaism is indeed folly. Practising Jews find it quite offensive as there is no correlation between Judaism and Christianity and there never has been. Two different religions, even two different peoples that could not be further apart are Judaism and Christianity. Judaism has more in common with Islam, with the one patriarch making them kin, the same dietary requirements and the same physical requirements such as circumcision etc but most importantly a Covenant established by God with the two branches. Messianic Jews follow Jesus but will not refer to themselves as Christian because they like Jesus obey God’s basic laws as written in the Torah and Qur’an.
If you need to draw comparisons then you would be more correct in foisting yourself onto Islam and say Islamic/Christian principles and traditions. At least in Islam Jesus is recognised as a Prophet of God but not the Son of God, whereas in Judaism Jesus is not recognised as anybody of significance at all.

Jesus and God were never Christians.

 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Is it possible complete al-Qaida defeat.... Mehsud dead
Posted: 8/10/2009 2:28:22 AM

The CIA, RAW and mossad are heavily involved in the turmoil in Northern Pakistan, each to its' own ends. The plan is to balkanize Pakistan. The US will get the big prize, Balockistan: rich in gas, oil, copper and uranium and a port on the Arabian Sea. Isrral will be the only nuclear power in the Middle-East and India will have gotten rid of its' major enemy.


I hope you’re wrong on this one Whiskey. It would be a disaster and only prolong conflict in the Western Asian Region. No doubt maintaining conflict in the region would herald increasing profit margins for US Conglomerates, viewed as a favourable outcome by Israeli/US Gov’t’s and their general populaces, a much better outcome for the region and people would see Pakistan reabsorbed into India.
Pakistani’s may well be a majority Islamic country, but essentially they remain undeniably ethnic Indian and Britain should never have partitioned them out.
India presently contains a larger Muslim population then Pakistan living in harmony with the majority Hindus and minority Buddhists, Christians and others. That fact negates the old British argument of religious incompatibility and thus partition in the first place, which Ghandi was avidly opposed to.

But is it possible to beat al-Quada? No. Under present Western Policies, I only see indigenous resistance to foreign domination expanding to a much greater degree.

Europeans have been interfering in Western Asia for over 2,000 years and are the source, the instigator of all the problems in the region. That chronic interference has malformed the region into a festering pus dripping wound further fouled and exported around the world in the form of terrorism by European descendent nation’s such as the USA and Israel whom have assumed the major mantle in the continued subjugation of Western Asia. The annuals of history have shown time and again that foreign tyranny over the indigenous people will fail. Until such time as a major leader steps up to acknowledge that fact, resistance by the people to foreign domination and usurpation will continue.
 Chiny®™©
Joined: 7/2/2006
Msg: 29 (view)
 
So called Terrorist Attack at Holsworthy
Posted: 8/7/2009 11:05:00 AM

Correct me if im wrong but i i wasnt aware of Any Terrorism attacks as yet carried out here!!!


No.......you’re right, there haven’t been any in spite of the efforts some politicians of the Howard ilk whom have attempted to incite and inflame the situation placing Australian lives in harm’s way for their own political ingratiation.


Australia,1978 February 13: Hilton bombing: A bomb is detonated outside the Commonwealth Heads of Government Regional Meeting in Sydney, killing two people. Three Ananda Marga members are later arrested and jailed for the attack, but later released due to lack of proof.


Correctly rebuked with......


Lack of proof? Try none at all! I'm no supporter of anything except truth. I was in the Vic Police at the time and later privy to Intelligence. It was always a widely held view that this 'attack' had been staged by ASIS. (Our own Internal Security Organisation). They planted the bomb and then in a routine search were going to 'find it' before it did any damage to bolster their case for more funding.


Yes.......but with one small correction it wasn’t ASIS it was ASIO.

ASIS – the Australian Secret Intelligence Service – is Australia’s overseas intelligence operator. ASIS is oversighted by and is a part of DFAT and are also housed with DFAT. You can find ASIS Officers posted overseas under the cover of either Political or Admin/Consular 1st, 2nd and sometimes 3rd Secretaries at Australian missions overseas. ASIS was modelled after the UK’s Mi6.

ASIO – Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation – is Australia’s domestic intelligence operator. ASIO is oversighted by and is part of the Commonwealth AG’s Department. ASIO Agents are located well.....anywhere in Australia and could be anybody nothing is taboo; an Agent may even be a close relative of yours. ASIO is modelled on the UK’s Mi5 as seen on the ABC’s Spooks.

Back in the 70’s Australia deeply feared an impending invasion from Asia (still does) and was largely ignorant of many things not UK or US. As usual the Gov’t played the “FEAR” card in its demonization’s of various organisations that were targeted at the time. Ananda Marga was one such target as the Gov’t believed that they were attempting to organise a revolution in Australia. AM which had formed in India in 1955 as a result and in a condemnation of the continued social inequities of the common folk in comparison to the rich?
Ananda Marga, means the “Path of Bliss”, is a spiritual and social organisation that offers instruction in meditation, yoga and other self-development practices. AM formed neohumanist schools, orphanages, international and domestic emergency relief networks. Their spiritual philosophy covered cosmology, realms of the mind, biopsychology, life death and reincarnation. Their tenets are that the universe was created by God and all created beings are God's children and part of the one universal cosmic family.
Hardly “terrorist” material but most of the aforementioned philosophies were an enigma to European Australia back then, although openly embraced in Australia of the 21st century.

ASIO was handed AM on a plate when the organisation participated in peaceful demonstrations (during the CHOGRM Sydney conference), in support of a better deal for the common hard done folk. In a concerted effort that remarkably mirrored the US’s CIA, ASIO attempted a “false flag” operation to fulfil their own agenda for better budget allocations from their masters, the Australian Gov’t. They implicated the CSIRO by coercing one of their scientists into manufacturing bombs that were real but designed to not detonate and they would never have detonated had it not been for the pressure that the garbage compactor truck put them under when the Garbo's emptied the bins the bombs had been placed in.
Once they had detonated, ASIO hurriedly manufactured a story of an attempted assassination of the Indian Prime Minister who was attending the CHOGRM conference. It backfired on ASIO in true blow-back style when the Courts dismissed their evidence which in turn forced the Gov’t of PM Malcolm Fraser to deny calls for an official enquiry into the matter and to cover it all up to prevent further damage and embarrassment to the Gov’t.


Even though we are huge targets when we travel over seas. We have even seen news stories of guys/terrorists spewing thier hatered against Australia on many currant affairs shows.
I have worked at Melbounre uni and heard the hatered and rasism towards my own country. How they believe, in taking over sydney road, would just be the start of muslim take over.



we need to kick them towel heads out etc let them kill each other off we should


Comments such as the above two can only be described as asinine, troll/baiting.


It's got me thinking why an army base ? Why not civilians in the streets like other times . The Australian army is with the US and UK in wars in the middle east . These fellahs have targeted an army base here . I don't know...?


Yes indeed.......it’s wise to be “sceptical” these days with the amount of propaganda afloat, I agree and further suggest that we all wait until all the facts are known and they are still unfolding. The authorities are “alleging” a conspiracy to carry out an act of violence described as an act of “Terror”, against the Australian Army.
No means of conducting such an act have been uncovered, primarily weapons. Oh yeah....some say that the weapons to be used in a US style killing spree would be readily obtainable from the Army themselves. No easy task given the multiple barriers the Army stringently enforces on itself but even more so on civilians in a VW Kombi dressed like Casper the Ghost.

We wouldn’t want to be making another Dr. Mohammed Haneef faux pas in the rush. Some critical thinking that involves a rational approach regarding the bigger picture, addressing not only the actions and reactions to them, but also the essential causes that have resulted in the necessity for those actions.

 
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