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wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Does dating really mean sex with no committment? Posted: 1/5/2009 12:09:37 PM
Dating is a social exersice of humans interacting with each other without labels. It is the lets see period; are we attracted to each other, do we have fun with each other, can we stand each other friends, can we spend 24 hrs without killing each other, and yes even are we sexually compatible. People don't come with guaruntees, we need that time to discover each other without feeling obligated to someones emotional wellbeing. I think the key is communication, what one wants from dating, and what the ground rules of achieving it should be established early in the dating process On the other side of the coin (there is ALWAYS an other side) I have gotten more than one letter on this site that said to the effect of.................."Am interested in your profile, but noticed you are listed as dating. If you can commit to seeing noone else after our first date and can progress to engagement/marriage in 6 monthes please respond, otherwise don't bother" I can't see how anyone could possibly build a health lasting relationship under that auspicious. A relationship is not legos, all the pieces do not snap into place perfectly. It is more like a sculpture, you shave a little here, add a little there until it makes your soul feel right

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Athletic or A Few Extra Pounds Posted: 7/4/2008 12:01:39 PM
I never, EVER judge a woman by her appearance, while 95% of all women judge me by my appearance AHHHHH The Sweet Smell of Delusion and Denial

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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sexual harassment in the workplace Posted: 7/4/2008 11:25:24 AM
Well the big problem is that a few pigs ruined things for everybody. And their offences are always sensationalized. And huge sums of money were rewarded(and rightly so) Throw in our lust for sensationalizm, litigation, and easy money And now you can't say "That looks good" when you review an employees work. You cannot look an employee directly in the eyes (as would have been REQUIRED in the last 200+ years) as they may find some sexual conotation in the assault of your gaze. You must have them stand up and lean over your shoulder when you show them something on their computer, as reaching over their shoulder for the keyboard you might lean against their back or have your breath hit their neck. And on the flip side of that coin an employee will make advances on you (not subtile....groping and exposing) and you must walk a tightrope. If the employee is a good worker there is NO way to extricate yourself from the situation. If the employee is not a good employee you must spend months documenting the employee to be sure they will not be able to crucify you for your rejection. One of the reasons I work for myself now

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

Msg: 27 (view)

Do guys really like all that romantic stuff? Posted: 7/4/2008 2:56:25 AM
Such a Dangerous topic........... There is a difference in enjoying romance, jumping through hoops to get a girls attention, and being a romantic. And many of the actions are the same. I love long walks in nature, even by myself......... with a female companion is just "bonus baby" I have candles around my house ....... mostly for when my rugrat and I have chili But will readily light them up if a lady enjoys them. I am way into flowers, herbs, and other cool plants, I think orchids are the coolest thing since peanutbutter. But I seldom give cut flowers, I am guilty of using them to get a lady's attention though, and if she sticks around she will end up with some of the most beautiful live plants growing. I open doors, walk on the outside of the sidewalk, pull out chairs ect ......ALWAYS but because it is mannerly and proper And YES I listen to Bread, Sinatra, and JMM, Coletraine, Beethovan, and Tchychosky, just before Toby Keith, Joe Diffie, Dueling Banjos, Eminem, Bagpipe music, Def Lepard, and Judas Priest I dont consider any of that romantic............................................. Romantic is something done in the moment to express how a woman is making you FEEL in that period of time. Writing a letter , song, or a poem that expresses your fellings towards your lady Singing a song to a woman that is germane to the moment. Spending the afternoon making a gormet meal to enjoy together Making the world go away for a day ....................whatever it takes , because you what to be with them and them only. Making an effort to try something not to your tastes because she enjoys it But I am still a guy, and will always need my belching, farting, drinking, hanging out in underwear moments from time to time

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Athletic or A Few Extra Pounds Posted: 7/4/2008 2:12:07 AM
Remember the FRIDGE of the Chicago Bears 420 #........42 " vertical leap, ran the 40 in 4.6 seconds.........Ran the stairs of Soldier Field daily.................................OVERWEIGHT .......YES...........ATHLETIC.........YES I am overweight for sure, But I can make a case for athletic as well, I can still put my palms on the floor, do the splits, backbends ect..........and I shinney up scaffolding and 40 ft ladders with regularity and ease. Its all perspective ........I went out with a woman from a dating site that said she was athletic..........AND SHE was ....she could have ripped my arms off and beat me with the bloody stumps. She was also overweight PERSPECTIVE

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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A question for men who have children Posted: 7/4/2008 1:50:53 AM
I don't assume as it is very ambiguous, but......... I have had women write and say "didn't you bother to read my profile I don't want a man with kids........I can have my own"

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Can you trust if she goes to clubs alone? Posted: 6/30/2008 11:48:40 PM
Would never be a problem ............... If I don't think I can trust a woman I wouldn't start anything with her. If I am wrong I'd much rather find out at the beginning of the relationship.....than a year down the road because I've kept my thumb on her because I'm afraid. The woman I want to hang with has her interests, and I have mine........At this time in our lives the odds they are identical are non exsistent. Do your thing, I'll do mine and we'll share the common things and/or develope new ones. I just don't get the whole jealousy thing

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Attracting the wrong type of guy...is it my fault? Posted: 6/30/2008 11:30:21 PM
Well .......... 1) The guy that doesn't notice the attributes that God gave you to attract our attention isn't going to be much of a man. BUT if he isn't evolved enough to carry on a conversation without bringing it up ...........he's not much of a catch. 2) Suggestion be more specific in your interest section(eg.....horses and dogs vs animals). I raised Arabs for years so I check from time to time to see who in my area is into horses. I am a sculptor so I put "artist " in to see what artists are in the area. You should get more responses in tune with your social/intellectual level You are living in "Horse City USA" there should be a line for an attractive, intelligent horsewoman with goals. I know there was when I lived there ........a long one!! Lastly an attractive woman will always attract an inordinate amount of jerks, just weed them out. If it was easy none of us would be here

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Red heads... Posted: 6/30/2008 11:02:15 PM
Although I don't discriminate for hair color............... If backed into a corner I would have to admit red hair and freckles are my preference. I don't know if it is the Gaelic/Celtic Blood (I also have a thing for the color plaid HAHA) Or if the red hair and a smattering of freckles across the skin brings forth that earthy "spawned of nature" wild child image in my concious. But one thing I Do know.......... The color God gave you is usually the one that works the best for you. I don't like red hair SOOO much that I would ever ask a woman to color her hair. Be Real

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Tool boxes what smell like womit? Posted: 5/18/2008 9:35:19 PM
And I always thought that smell was from having to work early Sat after a LONG Friday night

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Can men and women be friends? Posted: 5/10/2008 7:35:32 PM
I gues that's Your Loss

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Giving your height with heels - Maybe a good idea? Posted: 5/10/2008 7:33:27 PM
Fragile psyches

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Help-- he's TOO attractive! Posted: 5/10/2008 10:48:21 AM
[quoe]over one hundred and one favorites on his list .... lol Just means your right, women find him attractive. Oh and guess what ... he looked over 100 other girls and picked you. Seems so simple. What is the worst thing that could happen ..... that it doesn't work out? NO, that you spend a few thousand nights wondering if it could have Get to living!!!!

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Women who wiggle when they walk.. Posted: 5/10/2008 10:37:15 AM
The way a woman walks will grab my attention in a heartbeat. I love when a woman walks like a lady, straight up and squared away. It allows the contrast of the movement of your curves against the straight line of your body that I find very beautiful. (Must be the artist coming out) Also a woman that has a natural sway and wears skirts/dresses.... Sensual. The Fabric siding along the hip and legs ..... its like the breeze or the undulation of a ship, maybe thats why sailing vessels are all female . (I guess thats the poet in me) Oh and lets not forget those women that have that natural "figure 8" walk, that just mezmerizes a man. Those hips on a swivel, seemingly independent of each other. It envokes the primal urge, and personal bodily ingury(tripping over sidewalk cracks, rearending vehicles ect....) (Has to be the Man in me) OH Yes, by the way WE LOVE THE WIGGLE (I'm just long winded)

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Giving your height with heels - Maybe a good idea? Posted: 5/10/2008 10:01:26 AM
Alot of women do put this on their profile As for me I don't care ... years ago I dated a girl that was 6'4" all legs and loved 3, 4, 5" heels ... some nights I'd have to stand on the step above just to kiss her goodnight.

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Can men and women be friends? Posted: 5/10/2008 9:50:41 AM
Of Course they can..... But why is sexual attraction and friendship mutaully exclusive. I have several female friends that I find very attractive. They know it because I've told them I find them attractive. They also know I will never approach them in a sexual manner unless they come to me and tell me they want a change in statis. In fact women that were not "my type" often become more attractive as friendship grows. This doesn't mean suddenly I can't hang out without trying to get her ito bed. The closer you get to a person on a personal level the greater chance of sexual attraction. Just because a female friend a man finds attractive on a sexual level gets married doesn't stop the attraction. He just compartmentalizes the attraction the same as he would a moviestar or a model ........just for athstetic appreiciation. People that don't believe a man and woman can be friends a) don't understand friendship b) can't or don't want to separate emotion and sex (or doesn't understand the difference c) don't understand and/or come to grips with their own sexuality d) don't realize that friendship IS A RELATIONSHIP Emotional closeness both transends and promotes sexual desire. People just have to be open with each other and themselves on what they want out of a relationship and what they are willing to give up or accept to keep the relationship viable. Sometimes that requires giving up the sexual part of a relationship to enjoy the emotional and social relationship. By the way ........Female friends make the best girlfriends and sexual partners as they are looking out for your best interests and want to please you as much as they do themselves.

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Help-- he's TOO attractive! Posted: 5/10/2008 8:58:02 AM
My be corny ........ but it's true He's just a guy......................standing in front of a girl......................... OOOOO I just got goosebumps

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Help-- he's TOO attractive! Posted: 5/8/2008 7:31:18 PM
What do you do ?? Just enjoy it. I'm a big guy, with less than GQ looks and I don't have Trumps bank account, but every now and again a beauty surprises me. I stopped calling the optomitrist, and decided to enjoy the delusion. You only go around the planet once. PS... My stepdad had every girl 16 to 80 drooling over him and he got upset everytime my Mom went on a hardcore diet

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Met a girl who lives out of town...need real advice! Posted: 5/6/2008 3:50:01 PM
Asking a girl out and driving 4 hours one way to see her should give her a good indication your interested.

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Dont understand.. Help? Posted: 4/28/2008 7:38:26 PM
Not that it works this way all the time ....... But a friend of mine and his wife were FWB in college. It was mutual they wanted to concentrate on school. Last year of college she said it was time to step it up. He said things are great why change a good thing. After six months of discussing this she cut him off (COMPLETELY) and started dating. Two months later we met for a drink and he was "God I love her, how am I going to get her back." In two weeks they were a couple and are married now. Guys have an low threshold for comfort, and don't sweat the details. Sometimes you have to hit us over the head

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Domestic Violence Posted: 4/27/2008 3:27:10 PM
My exwife was an abuser, and like you I stayed way too long in the relationship. I finally left because I could stand for my son to see the attacks and it was escalating to the point where I was afraid I would be able to take it and would hurt her getting away. And even working 2500 miles away, I was doing phone councilling, begging for her to get help, and supporting her 100%. It took her running and hiding with my son (for 3 years) to teach me to hate. When it was over I asked myself the same questions. For the longest time certain phrases and mannerisms would totally put me off with a woman (a few still do) It took me a long time to want to date. You will trust again, life will be good again. But it will never be the same, you will be more wary, and more atuned to your sense of self preservation. You have to force yourself to get out and do stuff for a little while but it gets easier every month.

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend? Posted: 4/23/2008 9:05:25 PM
People will walk more ....eat less.......and live longer Local manufacturing and agriculture will rise again. The neighborhood will become an important of daily life again Smart money invests in solar, wind, and alcohol the oil industry will for the most part die like the steel industry .....for being shortsided and stubborn and would rather put twenty in the pocket today than twenty milloin in ten years.......because they have reponsiblities only to todays shareholders and not tommorrows in twenty years there will be a huge housing shortage and the housing/constuction market will bloom again .......................ect................. And the cycle continues as it has since the Industrial Revolution

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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How long should people search on a dating site Posted: 4/23/2008 8:45:09 PM
Until you succeed.........online or elsewhere Unless you haave a really nice rock you want to climb under

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Is it just a guy thing or am i being a prude????? Posted: 4/15/2008 8:24:58 PM
It isn't a guy thing .....it is a human thing. I have seen and heard this from women as well as men. Oft times male friends know when a guy is "gone" for a girl because suddenly he won't talk about his dating life anymore. Everyone has a past, and until you find someone you have real feelings for sometimes one doesn't feel the need for that level of privacy

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Reading your partner's emails...how serious an offence? Posted: 2/12/2008 9:55:00 PM
This is not a committed relationship. I would be equally floored. How would you feel about your husband reading your email? Without asking......... equally as upset. Most times, when I was married, after perusing my mail I would had it off to my wife so she had the option of reading it. If I was out of town and it looked pressing she would call and ask if it should be opened. To many are missing the point, it is not about reading my mail, or going into my wallet it is doing it WITHOUT permission. The person you are in a relationship should get THE MOST RSPECT offered, not the least. You don't disrespect strangers by sneaking into their email WITHOUT permission, why would you do it to the person who lives to honor you. Privacy is such a basic right that, like breathing , our forefathers didn't think they had to put it on paper.

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Reading your partner's emails...how serious an offence? Posted: 2/12/2008 1:44:03 PM
I don't condone snooping,but secrective behaviour breeds distrust. If this is a long term relationship,there should be no secrets that could hurt the other party. Sounds like there needs to be some major communication started. The secritive behavior in the action of the snoop, and it shows disrespect and a lack of trust. There is a huge difference in Hey Hon, who do you email??? (Communication) AND Ransacking someones private communications WITHOUT ASKING (Disrespect) Within the confines of our relationships we need permission for the following: Private Communication ... Wheither via phone, email, mail ect. Wallet/Purse.... NOONE Should open with out EXPRESS Permission Bank Accounts..... All relationships need Three Accounts ....His, Hers, and the house

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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wondering about acorn flour Posted: 2/12/2008 12:58:56 PM
We always shelled and soaked the acorns overnight, rinsed them thuroughly, and re soak them for a second night. Then dry them in the sun and then slow roast them. Grind them twice. The bread is very heavy (dense), with a nutty flavor I never baked it, only worked on the acorns As to shelling ......easier to open fresh, easier to shell hard, but they aren't hard either way. We always did it watching movies. BUT it takes much longer to soak out the tanins when they are hard

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Anti Valentines Day...WHO'S WITH ME! Posted: 2/12/2008 12:00:28 PM
If you find the right peson EVERYDAY is Valentines Day

wullis

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Reading your partner's emails...how serious an offence? Posted: 2/12/2008 11:52:15 AM
When I was married I didn't read my spouses mail. You either trust or you don't. Don't trust me.......Don't be with me

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Why do you think the Divorce Rate is so High in North America? Posted: 2/4/2008 8:50:09 PM
Because a Couple is ONE But we are TOO TOO proud to apologize TOO stuborn to compromise TOO self sufficient to work as a team TOO ashamed to ask for outside help TOO lazy to walk the extra mile TOO insecure to trust TOO self absorbed to give TOO Greedy to share

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Child Support Level vs. Non-Custodials Income Posted: 12/8/2007 11:30:43 AM
Why do some make their point a thousand times ..............and keep pushing their agenda

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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More Single Dads then Single Moms with Custody Posted: 12/8/2007 11:28:34 AM
^^^^^^^^You think not...... It cost me everything, but I have custody and I definately got the best of the deal MY SON

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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To Date Or Not To Date Posted: 12/2/2007 9:38:04 PM
Looks like you took everyone advice to heart Profile Looks good ...........Smokin Smile..... Cute girl They'll be lining up in no time If it still runs a little slow ...think about adding a couple of years and miles to your limits. Remember you can still say no if a (for example) 28 year old guy writes and he isn't our cup of tea. But if the man of your dreams turned 25 yesterday he can't write to you And by the way we go to special occasions with dolled up, we want to hang out with laid back

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Need help with an insecure men Posted: 12/2/2007 8:34:09 PM
When you care, the switch will never turn off, it's hardwired. But in time a brighter, warmer light will come along and this will fade to one of those lights you see in the distance of the night with a memory

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Need help with an insecure men Posted: 12/2/2007 10:08:02 AM
Once you give up the right to say NO Just not to upset him you have given up your right to be a person, an individual. NOONE HAS THAT RIGHT!!!!!! I don't care how conflicted their life is. Communicating, Meeting someone in the middle is a good thing, being afraid to say NO to making him a peanutbutter sandwich(example) because your afraid of his reaction. You have to see this as UNHEALTHY. It is time for him to grow up, You coddling him CAN ONLY MAKE HIM WORSE I know, I was the one walking on eggshells and coddling. I listened to the sad stories of her life, made exuses for her problems and ended up in a nasty abusive relationship. You need to draw a line in the sand

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Need help with an insecure men Posted: 12/2/2007 12:22:21 AM
Not insecurity......................Definately control issues and /or trust issues A relationship is not losing yourself in him ..... It is melding the best of your life with the best of his without giving up your individuality. Put the ball in his court, tell him you are done with the manipulation and anger. You each need me time, that makes us time special. Tell him if he storms off without talking thing out, your not coming after him, calling him, texting him begging him. He must learn to trust you or there is NO relationship. You have to stand strong NOW or you will spend all your time walking on eggshells and not enjoying life as you should. If you do this andmake him figure out if you are worth the effort(for him) to be a partner and not a master... one of three things will happen: 1)He will decide (over time) that you are serious and he loves you so he will share his life with you instead of controlling / owning it. 2) He will become more aggressive trying to force you to do his will and keep you under his thumb. (in which case you dump him quick...hard life or not 3) He will decide he doesn't want you enough to share his life with you and if he can't control / own you he doesn't want you. BUT THIS WAY .....you didn't do anything to him, you gave him a choice or opportunity, It is up to him to choose you. By the wat it is a two way street........ you have to be the same sharing your life and giving him some room for guy time

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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First Christmas Posted: 12/1/2007 2:00:49 PM
A couscous stuffing actually sound pretty good mmmmmmm

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Men paying for the sitter ? Posted: 12/1/2007 1:08:24 PM
I always wonder when I read this thread ....... How high the flames would have went if I or another single Dad would have posed the same question on a thread. .....I can't believe it's still going (as we were burned at the the stake)

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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Why do men want a woman who Takes Care of Herself, yet Don't want one who's High Maintenance? Posted: 11/30/2007 5:48:08 AM
Yoodle .....There is high maintenence Guys too.......(sad to say)

wullis

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artistic/creative people and relationships Posted: 11/28/2007 11:18:34 PM
I can not say that I have ever had a"relationship" with an artist I would think it could be an amazing thing.........Collaberation (a beautiful word) I have had a few dates with artists/musicians but many of them definately don't want the competition for attention. And have had women tell me that in those terms. I have had relationships with women that "appreciated the arts" and that works out pretty good. They seem to enjoy the creative process and how it spills over into the rest of your life. I also had one that didn't want my artist ventures to cut into 5 minutes of "her" time ....which was anytime I wasn't at work. That almost drove me out of my mind, things are crying to get out but you don't. You live in a hell alone to avoid living in a hell for two

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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First Christmas Posted: 11/28/2007 6:44:06 PM
You didn't say what your beliefs are..... but in reality it is not nessicary to know But in todays world of swirled cultures I think the social aspect of the holidays is as important as the religious ones. In fact most of the modern day holiday customs here are blends of christian and other cultures trying to bridge social gaps. If you are marrying into/with this family I suggest you incorporate some of your cultures nuances in the festivities to lay the groundwork for the years to come. In joining families you are in fact joining your cultures. Celibrating with each other is what is important...............But obviously you truely understand this. Being Good to each other is Universal............. you have made the spirit of Christmas Shine with a brighter light this year As for a gift ...................If it is personal between you and her.............It will be PERFECT

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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how good of a friend should an ex be in a new relationship..has it ever been a good thing Posted: 11/26/2007 4:12:00 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^Shows alot about your character or the lack there of..... There should be a better reason than "my boyfriend/girlfriend is to insecure" to cut communication with someone. Keeping them away won't change the way people feel Trust is one of the main ingredients in a successful relationship, If you can't get past the one thing we ALL have (a relationship past) then you should give up and become a monk

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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In this life is'nt it easier to be a man than a woman ? Posted: 11/25/2007 8:46:31 PM
^^^^^^^^^Damn someone didn't take thier paxil today

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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how good of a friend should an ex be in a new relationship..has it ever been a good thing Posted: 11/25/2007 7:46:35 PM
We should always strive to be friends with our ex's Unless they show themselves unworthy of our friendship

wullis

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Men what kind of man would you want your daugher to marry Posted: 11/25/2007 7:42:40 PM
A man that strives to better his life every day I don't care if he would be a ditch digger or a rocket scientist as long as he took pride in his job. Respect for people, rever motherhood, protect women, children, and those that can not(can not not will not)protect themselves Basically what I expect from a child I raise Oh yeah .......I use this one on my little sister's boyfriends He needs to be able and willing to look me in the eye with out fear and with clear concience. I went to visit her at college a couple of years ago and her guy avoided me for two days and then wouldn't look me in the eye for anything.........I called her up when I got home and told her to dump him.... he was bad news. She laughed then, three weeks latercalled to say I was right.

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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The fallacy of the hunting argument Posted: 11/25/2007 11:04:15 AM
I've wrapped a many a field dressed deer in orange and carried it 2-7 miles out to the road

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

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The fallacy of the hunting argument Posted: 11/24/2007 1:49:15 PM
A predator, stalking prey, is going to take out the old, the weak, the sick, the young, and the unfit. In thinning the herd, the predator is going to make sure the next generation is strong. True to an extent. The will prey on the week first, those drove off the herd to control herd and breeding pool second, and anything they can get after that. The preditor WILL eat regardless of the health of the herd. Human hunters, throughout history, have traditionally taken the best of the herd. It's a prestige thing, and it establishes dominance among the tribe. We've taken the part of the herd that should be producing the next generation True to an extent. Some hunters are trophy hunters, but they are not in the majority. 1) Most hunters will never kill a "trophy" animal as it is not premium eating.They tend to be older and tougher. If the opportunity to bag a trophy comes along most hunters will shoot one.......in their lifetime. Then it is back to hunting more edible quality. 2) For every trophy animal there are thousands of non trophy animals. It is rare to even see one. 3) Oft times these "trophy" racks are no longer leading a major herd. They have been driven off the herd by a younger generation. They are traveling in singles, pairs or minor herds. Their racks have become so big they are a liability in a fight as they have past their prime but the rack continues to come back larger and larger. I have seen aged deer and elk that struggle with the weight of their racks. Then... Yes they are culled as an older, weaker animal. It cannot sneak through the woods as easily, the larger racks catching limbs. I even found one once that had died because it could not remove its rack from a tree. The animals had pulled down its body but the skull and rack were still entangled in the tree. Better education of the hunter IS the way to go. Hunters are required to take gun classes but they should also take a species class. So they know the pluses and minuses of the local population. So they know what it takes for an animal to become a trophy. My fathers farm was bordered on two sides by national forest. There was a deer named The OLD MAN. His rack was definately Boone and Crockett material. There was a $1000 bounty/prize on him for over 20 years(by local sportingclubs/stores). All of us that hunted on Dads farm knew the rules. The Old Man could only be taken on our farm by stalking him with a bow. We tried but never got him. The Park Service found him blind in the park over thirty years old and put him down before he starved to death. You only hear about the hunters that get the trophies........ the rest of use are quitely perserving the lifestyle for our children And it must be working the deer and elk populations have continued to rise since their low around the turn of the century

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

Msg: 102 (view)

I'm gonna start hanging out at Lowe's and Home Depot Posted: 11/24/2007 1:08:05 PM
Oh ........When a single man of any age stops hitting on women, start digging a hole.......he's already dead

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

Msg: 98 (view)

I'm gonna start hanging out at Lowe's and Home Depot Posted: 11/24/2007 9:26:38 AM
I figure if they are hitting on me at Home Depot they will leave and go to Lowes and hit on someone else. What kind of criteria is that................You really have me wondering Why not say if they hit on me at the bar they'll leave and go to another bar and hit on someone else. if they hit on me at church they'll leave and go to another church and hit on someone else. if they hit on me on POF they'll leave and go to Harmony and hit on someone else. if they hit on me at the grocery store they'll leave and go tothe corner market and hit on someone else. Is there some magical place men are supposed to meet women, express interest, find out if we have common ground. Even the end of the rainbow has two locations

wullis

Joined: 7/2/2006

Msg: 216 (view)

Are you old enough to be my dad? Posted: 11/20/2007 6:12:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^^well said

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