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oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 77 (view)

First Contact: Generic emails vs. Creative Writing Posted: 11/4/2009 5:24:54 PM
I use to write decent 1st contact Emails; spent some time composing a decent greeting. Over 95% of the women on here don't bother to even acknowledge they received the Email so why should I waste my time composing an interesting Email to them? The 2nd Email will be much more creative if she shows any interest in me. Is it too much to expect at least an acknowledgement that you received the 1st Email? Thought so!!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Married Men -To date or not to date? Posted: 10/12/2009 5:50:51 AM
Fred, thanks for your post. As a married man who casual dates, I have to agree with most of what you say. Playing with someone's emotions just isn't right and lieing about your maritial status just to get laid is about the worst. A one night pick up for just the fun is one thing while starting a relationship with someone either single or also married raises many concerns. There are single adults, both men and women, who are happy with and desire a FWB relationship without the constraints of the normal relationship. They wish to lead and live the life of their choice (one that doesn't lend itself well to a close relationship) yet desire the knowledge they have a close friend and sex partner out there someplace in the world. They know they can call upon their friend when life goes badly or they just want a little company for a day or 2. This is not for everyone as often times emotions do get involved and must be dealt with. I think it works best when you find someone that you are comfortable with yet know you could never live with. This should NOT be considered if you are at the point in your life where starting a family is part of your goals! I imagine the flamers will have something to say now, just wish they would add something of value to the discussion other than their moral judgement.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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long term Posted: 10/10/2009 9:28:16 AM
spo5ucy, With your mail restrictions, I would be surprised if most guys could even say "hello".

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 18 (view)

Male Friends and Dates Posted: 9/22/2009 9:19:43 AM
If this is a casual relationship then watch the reaction between them when you flirt with both or both flirt with you. If they both are comfortable with the others open and obvious sexual flirting, they probably have talked about sharing you or will (not that best buds would ever talk about their girlfriends). LOL If you are trying to have a serious relationship with one of them, then leave the whole idea alone. When I was young, I recall sharing a girl with my buddy on several occasions, both at the same time in bed as well as dating the same girl on different nights. Depends so much on the guys and what they are looking for.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Venus and Mars questions? Asking a stranger to dance. Posted: 9/22/2009 7:38:25 AM
Ahhh, to dance!! I can't think of a more enjoyable exercise regime than dancing. It is just great for the cardiovascular system! As a man who goes to bars or clubs almost every weekend to enjoy the music (rock and roll) and the social interaction with the people there, I probably ask several strangers each week to dance. I cannot sit still when there is music I like even if only keeping the beat while sitting in my chair. The unfair thing about dancing is that women will dance together but there is a social stigma of men dancing together or by themselves. Yes, I would prefer to dance with someone I find attractive but that doesn't mean I expect anything more. I often will go up to a group of women and ask if anyone would like to dance. Sometimes I will go up to a group of women on the dance floor and ask to join their group. Yes, I have just danced up to a stranger, grabbed her hand, and taken her onto the dance floor! Dancing is first, if anything else comes of it, that is just icing on the evening. When asked to dance, your response should be based on the question not some assumption on your part. You either want to dance or you don't - simple isn't it!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 54 (view)

Venus and Mars questions? Asking a stranger to dance. Posted: 9/21/2009 6:11:15 PM
1kindman4u, You must be one of the reasons why finding a woman to dance with is so damn hard!!!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 34 (view)

Can we go out and get what we want?? Posted: 7/24/2009 12:01:18 PM
It all comes down to the supply, demand, and the price we are willing to pay. There are many men and women out there in the pond and no matter what are criteria is, some will fit our dreams. The hard part in human relationships is the price we must pay to get that dream. We can look through all the profiles on the internet and find the few ponds that contain the "fish" we are interested in so we known where to fish. If we are really smart, we study our chosen "fish" to find out what kind of "bait" they might take. Now comes the hard part, we need to compare the "bait" we have to offer (us) with what the preferred "bait" of our "fish" is to see if we have anything to offer. Which are we willing to change: the fishies we want to catch or the bait we have to offer?

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Florida Holiday for singles? Posted: 7/3/2009 8:24:01 AM
There is a small area in Kissimmee called Old Town. Basically a group of small shops, restaurants , and small bars. They have local car shows on Friday and Saturday nights and most places stay open until the wee hours. Also some amusement rides there. Usually there are a fair number of people there including singles. A fun place to spend some time, have a few beers, maybe do some dancing.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Infidelity and the public perception Posted: 6/30/2009 7:55:48 PM
How about putting a public notice in the local paper: To whom it may be of interest, My spouse has decided that they are no longer interested in having a sexual relationship with me. It has been many months since I have had sexual satisfaction with my spouse. Therefore, please understand that when you observe me dating someone other than my spouse, it is because my needs are not being met at home. Sincerely, xxxxxxx

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 126 (view)

Married Men -To date or not to date? Posted: 4/12/2009 7:02:21 AM
FriendlyFreeSpirit, They already have a relationship with their wives, remember? I think we can say that most married men and women have a "relationship" with their spouse......the fallacy is assuming it is a satisfactory relationship. It's always about sex. If you've gotten too old for sex to be the primary reason for your search Should we assume that anyone on POF who is not looking for a LTR is also primarily looking for sex? Should we asssume that most men who have female friends primarily view them as sex partners? They seem like very broad assumptions to me. I guess I must just be that out of touch with the reality of today.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 120 (view)

Married Men -To date or not to date? Posted: 4/10/2009 4:34:12 PM
FriendlyFreeSpirit, I think you need to reevaluate your belief that married men are only looking for sex. While that may be true for younger married men it isn't as true for older married men who have been married for years. You might study some of the observations made by hookers and escorts on this subject. Seems that many older men are more interested in the "relationship" than just the sex.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 117 (view)

Screening New Contacts Posted: 4/9/2009 12:40:23 PM
This sure explains alot.........sooooooo teenage. You would think adults would just be able to have an honest conversation about who they are and what they hope to find in someone else. Too many children and politicians on here! For your information, people who are looking for friends or are casual dating will be on POF for many years....sure doesn't make them a "player".

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 129 (view)

womens expectations and shopping lists, OVER THE TOP Posted: 4/5/2009 9:57:10 PM
Yes, I agree, most of us (men and women) know what we want and don't want......that is the reason most of us are alone!!!!!! Until we are willing to compromise, the status quo will continue!! Enjoy your alone time.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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marriage, marriage tax penalty, pensions and Social Sec? Posted: 3/11/2009 5:59:57 AM
Yes, the money does make a difference..........why would you get married at our age if it is going to reduce your standard of living? As for Social Security, see http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title02/0216.htm#act-216-d divorced wife must have been married 10 years and be unmarried when she files for retirement benefits based on her ex's income.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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marriage, marriage tax penalty, pensions and Social Sec? Posted: 3/10/2009 3:48:37 PM
Based on recent discussion with Social Security and the effect of when to take my SS, the following came up: 1. Because my wife did not make much money under social security, she will get about 4x more drawing her share of mine. 2. We must be married at least 10 years for her to be able to draw off mine. 3. Any number of wives and exs can draw from me if they were married to me for > 10 years. 4. IF THEY GET REMARRIED, THEY LOSE THE ABILITY TO DRAW OFF MY SS. In my wife's case, this amounts to about $1500/mo forever. Kind of adds up.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 42 (view)

is it age, lack of energy, or inflexibilty, or is it we don't care that much anymore? Posted: 3/9/2009 9:20:43 AM
Well OP, you made some bad choices on that one! I'd say inflexiblity is where the problem is. Yes, you should have told her that you were heading home early Sunday night because of your job, then let her decide which activities weren't going to happen. A motel would have been a good choice for Saturday night, again it should have been up to her to either invite you to stay at her home or join you if she wished. The hour drive isn't that big of a deal unless you have to have more than weekends all the time. It is possible to commute that hour for your job on occasion. Why don't you try having a real honest conversation with her about the weekend; you might be surprised.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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50 and retired Posted: 2/28/2009 9:09:55 AM
retired @ 58.......what it takes: A job that paid well - $75-$125k (strong work ethic + overtime) The willingness to live on a portion of your income (lifestyle choice) Regular investments in your 401k and Roth IRAs (willing to save) Company pension or 401k match (your choice of employer) Yes, it is about the choices we make in life!! Poor choices = old and broke.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Changes in Men....After A Heart Attack Posted: 2/23/2009 1:36:35 PM
my heart attack was in 99, had I not gotten to the ER when I arrested, I wouldn't be here typing this.....thank God for the super drugs and the paddles. 1st, make sure he is in a post heart attack rehab program, they will help him become comfortable with what he can or cannot do. The drugs will also help him to limit his maximum physical output. The physical part of his life will be the first part to recover; the psycological takes longer. Those who suspect that he is reevaluating his life are probably right; that was the biggest part of the changes for me. Thinking about what is important and not; adjusting the work/play time balance; evaluating the suitability of their relationships. 1. I finished my career doing less work and basically allowing everything at home to just wait. 2. Non-working hours became play time ( I was a Type A workaholic). 3. Although my relationship still exists, it has changed considerably-I no longer accept much static or ****ing about anything; I make my plans and she can join or not, but I will do what I enjoy when I want to. If she really doesn't like it, she knows what to do about it. I'm sure the effect of such a traumatic event is different in each person; but I believe we all will reeveluate our life after such an event. Give him time and encouragement.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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House Concerts Posted: 2/22/2009 8:42:29 AM
In some parts of the country you will find open jam sessions at some of the local pubs and coffee houses.........sometimes great, original music although you need to be polite to the not so good too.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Shedding the Mask Posted: 2/22/2009 8:27:12 AM
masks, masks........sometimes necessary in work situations to keep your job or clients. The only condition outside of work is to sometimes just keep your mouth shut.......other than that, jslade58 got it right...........if society doesn't like who I am, that's their problem. hmmmm, maybe that is why my circle of friends is so small but I truely love each of them!!!!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 135 (view)

Drinking over 45 Posted: 2/17/2009 9:40:56 AM
ismene1 , I must agree with your analysis. When I see a profile that says they "do not drink", I conclude thry would either have a negative affect on the social life I enjoy or are an addict in recovery. Nither of these situations would be tolerable nor is the situation where I have to keep someone from falling into the "porcelin god". > 3 times a week in moderation is the gold standard.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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How many truly happy marriages have you seen? Posted: 2/15/2009 6:44:25 AM
Your not expecting too much but the odds of finding it are about nil. I think I know of several marriages that could be considered in that way and only 1 is long term.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Should we live apart or get divorced? Posted: 2/10/2009 6:50:47 PM
Obviously, most of the posters think you should just get divorced. That is a decision you and your wife should actually discuss. If you choose to live apart but both of you can be parents to your children and you both can accept an open marriage, then it might work. Living apart with the history you have outlined but expecting a monogamous relationship just isn't going to work. Whatever you 2 decide, all the details need to be clearly worked out between you, if you can't, it is divorce time. Good luck

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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I have.... Posted: 2/6/2009 6:45:57 AM
Let me add the new wrinkle..........a married man who is best buds with a single or recently divorced guy. They spend much of their spare time together, travel to various events together, and go hunting and fishing together. Would this be comfortable to everyone or is this an issue also? How do you see this as different than the previous 7 pages of comments regarding a female buddy? Not that 2 guys out on their own would ever chase a skirt or 2. What is an acceptable good friend to a married man other than his wife or another married man as part of a couple?

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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womens expectations and shopping lists, OVER THE TOP Posted: 2/4/2009 9:11:58 PM
I'm glad you "ladies" are having fun with the OP. Just remember, there is a little kernal of truth to what he posted. Not all fit that kernal, but many do......enjoy your laughs!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Starting a open chat with confused, frustrated, hopefilled, humans, with truth as the main policy. Posted: 2/4/2009 7:09:35 AM
There seem to be certain questions or facts that some people hold very strong opinions about. When they find out your feelings on those subjects, instead of being adult and accepting your feelings, they forcefully try to correct your percieved fault. They must think they know better and are going to "fix" your problem. Just read some of the tirades in these forums! We can only hope those people permanently go away from our lives; they are people we do not need to know or listen to. As for asking questions and providing truthful answers, the truth will always come out eventually; if that truth is a deal breaker, it is better to find out sooner instead of later. Why would anyone want to invest their time, energy, and emotion in a losing situation?

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 120 (view)

If I decide to tell you anymore about this situation - the truth, blah, blah, blah..... Posted: 2/3/2009 8:43:00 PM
How do I explain this to my wife? Have any of you run into this kind of situation? How did you handle it? Easy, just tell the wife about it 1. I met this lady..................... and she seems nice. 2. I'll introduce you 2 if you would like..........how about next Friday? 3. I told you she was nice, do you mind if her and I do things together that you don't enjoy? 4 Yes, you can always come along if you would like. See how easy that was.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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I am not sure who is in denial.... Posted: 2/3/2009 1:33:27 PM
There seem to be a number of women on this thread that suggest that Joe should spend more of his time at home or that his wife should accompany him when he goes out. Did any of you consider that she may not want to? That the activities that Joe enjoys in life are not those his wife does? Maybe his wife is just glad to see him go out for the evening with whoever. For the OP, I think the idea of Joe's wife knowing of your existence is good....it will make your friendship with Joe much more comfortable. Please understand that if you and Joe have a friendship where you are out in public together, someone such as that serpent will make damn sure his wife knows about it and then you will be dealing with that issue from a point of guilty instead of from the high road. Enjoy your friendship with Joe, you both will benefit; I know I have from my female friends and I hope they have also.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Spring Break and over 40 Posted: 1/30/2009 6:56:06 AM
Spring Break 09 is almost here. Any other old folk going to join the kids and raise a little H***? I'm headed for Florida for 2 weeks, let's get together and have fun.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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What should we be looking for? Posted: 1/30/2009 6:34:42 AM
Is dating a process to find that one special person for our life or is dating a way of having a social life with the opposite sex who we enjoy being with? What we are looking for will determine the who we will accept.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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I'm the other women Posted: 1/21/2009 7:08:56 AM
Maybe sometimes the married person who is looking for that new relationship is honest. All he or she is offering is a fun time with no strings and it is up to the new partner to decide if this is acceptable to them or not. The real problem comes when someone expects more than is available in that new relationship. Is the spouse responsible for their straying partner? No, but they share the responsibility for the ineffective relationship that is at the root of the straying. Most people in a healthy relationship do not look for someone outside of that relationship.

oldkid

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credit and dating Posted: 12/27/2008 9:19:46 AM
I think age has a lot to do with answering the question. A younger person who has not had time to accumulate a reserve may have their credit turned up side down by some event in life. A person in their 40's or 50's should have their financial house in order where the bad things in life are only an inconvience and will not destroy their credit. If your over 40 and have a negative net worth,

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 273 (view)

What do men 60 plus want? Posted: 12/27/2008 7:35:48 AM
9smiles, I know a number of older gentlemen who certainly don't fall in your description but the last thing any of them are interested in is a LTR that affects their lifestyle. They are willing to entertain, spend money, and have many ideas of what to do in life and enjoy doing them. I don't think many of them will be tied to one woman and only if the woman lets them live a lifestyle they enjoy. Snagging an older man who has been comfortably on his own for a number of years is a difficult task and impossible if you think he is going to change his lifestyle for you.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 262 (view)

What do men 60 plus want? Posted: 12/25/2008 9:52:12 AM
Yes, it is all about selling oneself. We do that in our profiles, the way we dress, the manners we display in public; you name it about how we live our lives, and that is the sales pitch. This thread was started in an attempt to identify what older men are looking for and there have been many postings. There seem to be some common characteristics that we old farts are looking for in ladies: 1. Low drama, someone who can manage their life without a new disaster every day. 2. Financial stability, someone who can live within their means. 3. Fun to be with; can bring a little joy and laughter into our lives. 4. Good attitude; a positive outlook on life. 5. Enough intellegence to carry on a conversation with substance. 6. Respect, someone who treats us as a human being and doesn't try to drag us down. 7. Sexuality, an appearance and attitude that shows you are a sexual person. 8. Independence, we are not willing to give up control of our lives anymore. There are many more but are of a personal preference to each of us; I think most older men will agree with my 8 points. Sorry ladies, IMHO, if you can't demonstrate most of these 8 points, you have very little to offer.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 261 (view)

What do men 60 plus want? Posted: 12/25/2008 9:03:09 AM
Welcome ladyc4; I haven't seen a post by you lately. I'll agree that there may be a little bad wine in my life but that doesn't change the observations. 1. 8, 10, 12 %; hard to tell the difference. 20% + becomes obvious. Participate in life = active participation such as bowling, dancing, swimming, etc. 2. Attitude: I can't call a man, I can't go out alone, I can't ask a man out - all outdated!! 3. They're afraid it would be too costly in terms of time, energy and emotion. This is the problem I see, the cost is too high. Has nothing to do with insecurity and all to do with value received. 4. There is a difference between putting their needs first and letting them run your life. Yes they belong in your life and schedule but not the only thing. When babysitting for your grandchildren comes before a dinner party, that is not balance! 5. Not what I call participating and bar hopping isn't it either. How about a tour of Egypt or community theatre or a winter cruise by themselves. 6. So they sit at home, not by choice but by circumstance? How about the theatre or an art gallery showing - still too risky to do alone? 7. What do you call it when a male friend invites you out to dinner if not a casual date? I really don't think the term "dishonest" applies. 8. Stuck in a rut!! I'm sure if I spent an afternoon with you, your lifestyle would provide new experiences for me. We all need to take the risk and experience new things. 9. The line that comes to mind: "Dance like no one is watching". 10. No, this is not based on my personal life, mostly from these forums and profiles. Lady, from your profile and postings you have made, these comments probably don't fit you well and we tend to choose our friends so that they have similar outlooks on life as we do. I would not expect them to fit most of the people you spend your time with. Look at a random selection of older female profiles on here. Look around you as you travel and observe the mature ladies. You are not all the same, some live their lives and some live through others and some don't live.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 251 (view)

What do men 60 plus want? Posted: 12/24/2008 9:09:00 AM
rustytraveler, I can't disagree with you about many of the older men in society and their characteristics. Many don't know what having a life is all about and they are expecting a women to provide a home for them and nurture them. The whole point is that men and women just don't seem to be able to fill the nitch that the other is looking for. I suspect this is having an entirely different set of values and goals for our remaining years. This seems to be more prevalent as we age and develop our personal lifestyle. Please note that I didn't include all people, male or female, in the characteristics I presented. In general, IMHO, we can divide older people into 2 camps.......those who are content to live a more quiet, homey lifestyle and those who live a much more outgoing, vivacious lifestyle. The 2 certainly are not compatible. I know lots of smart, active adventurous women. I know a few but they are the minority in our age group.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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On cheating... Posted: 12/23/2008 8:37:18 PM
even if they are happy in their relationship - these are the key words. Most men who are happy and satisfied within their relationship do not cheat!! Once the relationship has been broken then anything and everyone is fair game.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 77 (view)

He found me this easy, Posted: 12/23/2008 8:25:35 PM
My first reaction was to break all contakt with him but I was to afraid to do it since he knew my adress Sorry, I took your original posting as not only did he figure out who I was and where I lived but that information caused me fear for my personal safety. It would be appreciated, in the future, if you would refrain from the personal attacks, they are uncalled for and do not serve a purpose within a discussion.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 246 (view)

What do men 60 plus want? Posted: 12/23/2008 8:12:46 PM
OK rustytraveler , I'll bite. Get your bricks ready. Yes, I realize that not all women are the same, neither are all men. And yes, I do read the forums along with profiles and information on other sites. Add to this my personal observations and a profile of the average white, 45-65 year old female raised in the US emerges. Granted that not all fit this model and most do not fit all the characteristics mentioned. 1. A large majority are at least 10% overweight. Many are overweight to where it affects their health or ability to participate in life. 2. Many subscribe to outdated societal mores and norms. 3. Many are insecure and require regular emotional support to feel worthwhile. 4. Many place their relationship with children and grandchildren above their social life or any SO. 5. Many lack self confidence which affects their ability to participate in society. 6. Many prefer a quiet night at home over the noise and drama of a night out on the town. 7. They will not casual date someone who they do not consider "long term" material. 8. There willingness to try and experience new things is limited. 9. Most are constrained by what others in society may think of them. 10. They are better cooks and home makers than dancers and lovers. Not to judge these characteristics, but IMHO, these are the normal characteristics one can expect from this group of females; either that meets your expectations or not.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 74 (view)

He found me this easy, Posted: 12/23/2008 7:29:26 PM
Stop watching the "real life" tv police stories! If you are really concerned about your safety and don't wander around in certain parts of your city in the wee hours, then look at your local violent crime statistics or talk to someone in your local police department. I would suspect that the probability of being seriously injured by an errant driver at the local shopping center is much greater than being attacked and raped by a stranger. I'm sure glad I don't live my life in fear.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 45 (view)

He found me this easy, Posted: 12/22/2008 9:48:49 PM
Talk about paranoid!! Why would you suspect that someone from the internet would want to cause you any more harm than someone who saw you at the grocery store or mall?? What would the difference be if I looked you up using information from spacebook or some other website or just followed you home? Once I know your car, license number, and part of your routine, the rest of finding out about you is easy. Are women in today's society that scared of other people? Take a chill pill!!!!!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 170 (view)

stripclubs... Posted: 12/17/2008 9:13:58 AM
Tabitha63 [As a Christian (who is not a bible thumper or holy roller) who lives by the book.. as best I can..(and so does my husband).. I find it a moral issue. One of the mortal sins says.. "Any man (or woman) who looks at another person (other than your spouse) with lust.. is guilty of sin...infidelity". So go to the club.. as many times as you want..and make it worth your while.. then someday when you have to answer to someone for it..have your awesome excuses ready to explain why you felt the need to go watch some naked women dance around.. knowing it was wrong. (If you're of the Christian belief)/quote] Make sure that you study the Good Book about what is expected of a wife and live your life in that manner. Most women today want the man to practice the behaviors in the Bible but refuse to follow them as wives. If you are lost, look up "Dr. Laura". She will help you learn how to be a loving wife.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 168 (view)

stripclubs... Posted: 12/17/2008 9:05:02 AM
Maybe attached men are looking for a level or type of intimacy not available at home? Would you "ladies" who are so opposed to your SO going to a strip club, be willing to gather up your girlfriends and put on a strip show at home for the guys? A number of community education places offer "pole dancing" class and I'm sure the guys wouls be happy to install one in your home. Maybe if you start with just a 1 on 1 it won't collide with your moral values so bad. Hmmmmm, maybe a lap dance might even be enjoyed. Goodewitch, the only way you will ever understand the difference between men and women regarding making social contact is by dressing as a man and going out in public and trying to make contact with a single female. Also, as we get older, it gets much harder. Maybe you could try to find an older man to put a profile on here and give you his password; you could then try contacting women on POF and see how they respond to your contact attempt. You could also observe how he is received by women out in society. Many of you "real women" are not willing to give a guy any opportunity to meet you and you treat most men in a deroggatory manner unless they meet your definition of maybe "The One".

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

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Divorced, but on vacation with kids & ex. Posted: 12/16/2008 7:54:42 PM
If you and your ex can be social with each other then 2 is the best option. It took myself and my ex a couple of years before we got there. As for a g/f and her reaction: this is much more important than if you go or not. The attitude she displays toward your ex and daughter will be what you live with as long as she is your g/f. That attitude will display itself everytime you talk with your ex or you both are in the same social setting. It is NOT about your ex but your g/f's insecurities and her attempt to control you. It will always adversly affect your relationship with your daughter. Either dump the g/f or stay away from your daughter!!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 121 (view)

why should I have to be the one to just leave and go rent an apartment? Posted: 12/16/2008 10:22:53 AM
Getting married without a prenup is like giving someone a signed blank check knowing they will fill in the amount at the moment they are the most POd at you. moondance247, I may not be able to take it with me but I would like to keep enough to get there in a comfortable manner.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 215 (view)

What do men 60 plus want? Posted: 12/16/2008 10:09:13 AM
redarcangel, Do we have an open marriage in terms of having other sexual partners, NO. Do we have an open marriage in terms of our social lives, YES. If you wish to discuss this further on a personal level, feel free to contact me.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 132 (view)

stripclubs... Posted: 12/16/2008 9:49:47 AM
catkin2007, Let me say I can respect and appreciate your viewpoints and honesty, Thank You. Now for Goodewitch. Waterfalls3, and others who share their attitudes. Last night I made some comments that obviously were not well received or understood. I do not know if you have this contempt you display for women who provide sexual orientated entertainment because you feel it demeans you and others as women or you feel that what they do is against your moral beliefs. If it is because of your moral beliefs, then I would consider you like any other member of the religious right who spews forth venom and hate for those of us who do not embrace your "moral" lifestyle. If your contempt is based on what you view as demeaning to women and to you by association, then I would like to clarify my comments on marriage and being a kept woman. This also applies to men, as some of them behave in a similar manner and reflect badly on all of us. I have a high respect for any person who makes their way through life by their own legal labor and do not discriminate between someone who is a stripper, a waitress, or a doctor. What I do have contempt for are thoses who live off the labor of others especially spouses and adult children who refuse to contribute to their own support. This is especially obvious during a divorce or after a death. These vultures prey on their ex or other family members to steal all they can eventhough they have contributed nothing and the law is on their side!!!!! That is the scum of life not the gal at your local strip bar supporting herself and maybe her family. I also have a strong dislike for people who view others as "beneath them" because of what they do for a living. Your local gardner deserves the same respect as a person as does the President of the US.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 46 (view)

What’s with all the email restrictions? Posted: 12/15/2008 9:38:54 PM
FYI If you send an Email to someone who has "intimate encounter" as what they are looking for then you will be restricted from sending an Email to someone else with the intimate encounter restriction. Has nothing to do with what you are looking for, only the contacts you have made. Kinda sucks when you send an Email to the wrong person off the forums!!

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 5 (view)

Age difference too much? Posted: 12/15/2008 9:26:42 PM
As you get older, that age difference becomes smaller. Give her a little time to mature before you make it too serious.

oldkid

Joined: 7/3/2006

Msg: 211 (view)

What do men 60 plus want? Posted: 12/15/2008 9:20:42 PM
redarcangel, You asked so I shall answer. No she does not and I'm sure some people will have a problem with that. Yes, she does know I go out to clubs/bars and that I meet and dance with ladies there. Sometimes she comes along and I will introduce her to women I have met. One time when I told her about a specific woman, she was very uncomfortable with her and I no longer associate with that woman.

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