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Thread: Does God exist?
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/27/2010 2:28:17 PM
Raziel...
To find a new prime number, take a known prime number, double it and add 1.
Not entirely true. As .dej pointed out, if you take the known prime number 13, double it and add 1 - you get 27, which is NOT a prime number. Since prime numbers are divisible only by themselves and 1, 27 (which is divisible by 9 and 3) doesn't qualify.
I agree with you, though - proof of metaphysical 'trips' and alien contacts would require more substantial evidence than something that could be worked out on a sufficiently powerful computer. Plans for an advanced gravity-generator, perhaps...
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/23/2010 4:27:21 PM
{quote]3) Demands for proof:
Yes, I AM making the claim that SOME theists argue that there is some support to believe in G0d.
And I'm asking for some proof of your claim.
Google "arguments for god". You could have done that.
Or perhaps I would just like people making claims on the thread ( not just you in particular) to post a quick link/source for whatever it is their are claiming, instead of posting a claim, expecting their claim to be accepted without question and getting mad when their claim isn't accepted without question THEN telling the person querying them to "look it up for themselves" ( in other words, claiming something then telling the person who has asked about YOUR claim to prove YOUR claim for YOU).
Actually, I HAVE done that Google search... and it's basically a waste of time. While I'll admit that I haven't followed ALL of the links that such a search provided, the ones I did follow were riddled with logical fallacies - arguments from ignorance, arguments from authority, and arguments from popularity, arguments from personal experience, plus the required cosmological and Pascals' Wager points.
And I see that Scorp has fallen into the 'atheism is a religion' trap... somehow failing to realize that a lack of belief is not a belief. (Perhaps I should take up not-coin-collecting as a hobby...
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RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/16/2010 2:28:21 PM
I think that the whole question of this thread can be summarized with one statement...
"Without the ability to provide definite evidence (that is, something that doesn't need to be 'interpreted'...) to illustrate your claim, how can you tell the difference between the Divine and the Deluded?"
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/8/2010 10:48:26 AM
You're right in saying that just because the story of Joshua could be wrong, doesn't *prove* that the rest of the OT is wrong. What it DOES do, however, is cast doubt on the credibility of the rest.
I think you and I have entirely different notions of credibility.
Quite likely.
If I find something 'not right' in a set of facts I'm exposed to, I tend to wonder what *else* could be incorrect...
I can only act on my reasoning, that tells me what is likely to happen in the future, the same as any scientist or engineer. Any anomalous results have to be treated in the same way. I must re-examine my reasoning to see if it was valid, and is still valid. Either my reasoning is still valid, and I must treat this case as an anomaly, to be investigated at a much later date on its own, but still accepting my existing reasoning, or I must accept that my entire reasoning is flawed, in which case, the same reasoning would be just as flawed for everything it applies to
I think that this is the biggest point in which we differ... because I hold that reason *alone* is insufficient to determine the accuracy of something. After all... my reasoning can be invalid, and I can be completely unaware that it is. But if I go and reexamine my reasoning, without realizing that it's not valid, I'll be making the same mistake over and over again.
As a result, if I think my reasoning about the OT is not flawed, then it remains not flawed, and the OT essentially remains valid. If my reasoning is flawed, then since it is my reasoning for validating ANY document, then my basis for concluding ANY document is valid, is flawed, and I can no longer say ANY document is valid, including the American Declaration of Independence, or the Bill of Rights.
WOW - talk about an 'All or Nothing' argument! I don't even know HOW to respond to that...
Incidentally... I was reading an article in 'Skeptic' magazine (V15#4, pg46 - "Truth vs. Truths" if anyone is interested...
) that discusses what the author calls 'domains of truth'. The one that caught my attention had the heading 'Mystica: The Holy Land' which talks about religious truth.
What we choose to take on faith cannot be tested with the methods of debate, reason, or research. Of course, those who advocate their beliefs may use the tactics of persuasion, reason, and evidence, but their beliefs are not subject to correction by these methods. Matters of devout faith remain immune to all tests of truth. This it is that skeptics who challenge the truths of Mystica with those of Logica and Empirica are typically frustrated.
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/6/2010 12:15:41 PM
Scorp...
You're right in saying that just because the story of Joshua could be wrong, doesn't *prove* that the rest of the OT is wrong. What it DOES do, however, is cast doubt on the credibility of the rest.
If you caught someone in a lie, would you accept everything else that person says at face value... or would you tend to be a little more skeptical until said persons' statements could be backed up by something other than their word?
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/6/2010 9:07:16 AM
Scorp...
One longer period of darkness, in an industrial age, where we think we control nature, would terrify everyone, because we think we control everything, and that would show we didn't. It would cause quite a lot of people to get so terrified they'd take their lives. But if you live by the weather, and the seasons, and you accept that you aren't in control, then you just wait it out, see if it will kill your crops or not.
This assertion doesn't make any sense to me. In ancient times, people were *terrified* of short-term events. A solar eclipse, a brighter-than-normal star, a passing comet, caused panic among many people. There may have *been* mass suicides when such an event occurred - it just wasn't written down. However, more often than not, the events themselves WERE recorded in some manner... in written form, in etchings or paintings, etc.
If such events were recorded, then it follows that a MAJOR astronomical event - such as the sun slowing to a stop - would also be recorded. Even if the recorder had no idea WHY it happened, its' happening would be recorded.
And since there have been NO stories, outside of the Bible, that such a world-spanning event happened... it's more likely that the tale was embellished for the benefit of the politics of the time.
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/4/2010 2:30:25 AM
take the timeframe that science thinks of, then squish it down into the last 6000 years, making the kt boundary equal in point to the flood. It fits just fine. Sure you will have to do some cramming in the early years, but it works.
Ummm... NO, it doesn't work. You're trying to cram 500 million years into 6000 - that would make the emergence of humanity about 24 years ago. Now, assuming that you ARE 24 years old, and assuming that all of human history before that is made up... then yes, that works. Otherwise, you've got some SERIOUS contradictions to ponder.
Or maybe you think that he created humanity, with all our language and cognitive faculties intact, on that sixth day 6000 years ago. In that case, he would have had to cram those remaining 498 million years into two or three days. No rush.
No matter how you slice it, the fossil record *cannot* be reconciled with biblical creation stories. Why do you persist in trying...? Does it boost your ego, to think of yourself as a 'special creation of God'?
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:22:17 PM
I was not there for the flood, but the two stories are rather similar.
Are you referring to the Flood of Noah and the K-T extinction event...? In what way, exactly, are these two stories similar?
the Sumerians had a carving of an actual animal, the bible has a description of an actual living creature,
So...? Someone can carve a unicorn, an imaginative author can describe all manner of 'actual living' aliens - but NONE of them would be evidence that said animals actually existed.
God spoke and there it was.
Which begs the question of where God came from in the first place...
Plus I have had my own dealings with God, Jesus, and messengers of the lord.
You've actually SEEN God...? Had a conversation with Jesus? And you accepted them without question? How does that reconcile with your fathers' advice? You're a skeptic about everything... EXCEPT the Bible?
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 8/3/2010 2:35:17 PM
And you don't consider the possibility of ancient people finding fossil bones and wondering what manner of beast they were from... and thus were born dragons, cyclops, chimeras, and all manner of mythical creatures?
The KT boundary coincides with the FLOOD????? What textbooks have YOU been reading? Radiometric dating puts the KT boundary at 60-70 million years ago - nowhere NEAR the supposed date of Noahs' Flood. (About 2500BCE, if I recall my biblical dating properly...
) And even then - the boundary layer contains a great deal of ash... not what you'd expect from a flood event...
Check out uranium-lead decay, potassium-argon decay, and see just how far off your numbers are.
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 7/31/2010 6:22:42 PM
I do not need proof of God. I know God and God knows me.
You know... I'm finding it absolutely ironic that the people who are proclaiming that they require 'absolute, unequivocal proof' of concepts such as evolution and cosmogenesis are quite happy with zero evidence whatsoever of divine presences...
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 7/29/2010 2:48:19 AM
who has historically been more hated by Xians than the Jews? After all, the Jews are supposed to have killed Jesus. Yet there seem to be loads of Jews in American politics. Of course, you could point out that there are 5 million Jews in America. But there are supposed to be 30 million atheists and agnostics in America, 6 times as much. Yet there are hardly any atheists in American politics. Why?
But - also historically, the ones who admitted to believing in NO god has been reviled even more than the Jews. Even those who expressed the *possibility* that there were other ways for people to exist, right up to the era of Darwin, were treated far more harshly than the admitted 'believer'.
Why are there few atheists in politics...? Perhaps it's because they're not as organized and vocal as other groups. They're at the stage where women were before sufferage, blacks before Emancipation, or homosexuals before Pride. They're finding their voice, and realizing that they have numbers to back them up. (Plus, many of them seem to be of a cantankerous nature, who don't play 'follow-the-leader' very well...
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If you'll indulge my curiosity for a moment - you said in another message that you didn't do much research into other religions... just your own, and found that it suited you. How can you be so sure that it DOES suit you best, if you didn't look closely at any alternatives? You may have found that Buddhism suited you better, or Taoism, or maybe Hinduism... Isn't that a bit like saying that the clothes you're wearing suit you best, without trying on anything else...?
I'd also be interested in hearing the reasoning you went through, to come to the conclusion that God is perfect... and if it can only be applied to God, and not other entities of the spiritual nature.
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 7/19/2010 2:30:15 AM
Do you understand the meaning of the expression "unsupported opinion"?
Do you...? Have ANY of your claims been supported by anything other than vague notions of 'is it possible'...? Everything you've tried to say about metaphysics and 'ultimate reality' is thus classed as unsupported opinion.
RocketMan_Len
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the earth is growing
Posted: 7/16/2010 2:41:14 AM
Why you compare this to leprechauns with pick axes?? ?!
Because it's another possible explanation for the evidence... as supported by other evidence as Growing Earth is.
Come up with an experiment to demonstrate the existence of this 'Prime Matter' and maybe people will take a second look... but until then, he's just invoking magic to make his idea work.
We know that 200 million years ago the Atlantic was closed. We know that the Pacific is the same age as the Atlantic, yet still grip to the idea that an ancient ocean floor once existed (conveniently absolutely no evidence of what so ever)
I get the impression that you haven't looked at any of the geologic websites provided by others on this thread, because you'd realize that the Pacific plate is moving fast enough for a point to get from the ridge in the south to the subduction zone in the north in approximately 225 million years. Add to that the 3-D images of earthquake epicenter locations in Alaska that *clearly* show them moving deeper the further inland they go... dramatically illustrating that the plate is being subducted.
The only evidence that Neal has is an interesting *possible* coincidence... since his diagrams of smaller planets shows evidence of deliberate alteration to make them 'fit'.
RocketMan_Len
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Is Legitimate Science in Conflict with Religion?
Posted: 7/13/2010 2:31:22 AM
Sorry I'm late in posting this - working OT eats up a lot of time...
Science explains the natural world and religion explains the supernatural world.
I'm afraid that this doesn't answer my question - you've just substituted one arbitrary division for another. Again... HOW do you determine what is 'natural' and what is 'supernatural'? Recall that lightning was once considered to be something in the realm of the supernatural, until it was determined that it was a purely natural phenomenon. (Or do you still think that lightning is caused by Zeus being irritated...?
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Further - as StarGazer pointed out, religion doesn't seek to EXPLAIN the supernatural, it typically just *invokes* supernatural explanations for things that people don't understand.
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 7/11/2010 5:24:15 PM
One thing I don't think I've seen anyone answer here...
legitimate religion is not in conflict with legitimate science.
Under what criteria are you defining something as 'legitimate'? What makes one branch of scientific inquiry legitimate while excluding another? Same question for a 'legitimate' religion... what's the basis for the division?
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It's official: An asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs?
Posted: 7/4/2010 11:36:24 AM
I'll find & post that info in my own good time.
I'm sure you will. Can't wait.
Give him time - after all, he's got to make sure the ink is dry before he presents it...
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 7/4/2010 5:08:35 AM
Inquisitive dummy that I am
I looked up 'inductive reasoning'. One particular item on the site changingminds.org caught my attention in describing it...
"It draws inferences from observations in order to make generalizations."
Try as I might, I fail to see how you can use that to go from "97% of the worlds' population believe in some form of higher power" to "Therefore, God Exists"... or even the lesser conclusion of "Therefore, religion is true".
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 7/3/2010 6:33:16 PM
The other 97.5% believe in something beyond the material bounds of what can be explained by science.
And an incorrect idea, no matter how widely held, is STILL incorrect.
If widespread belief constituted evidence... then Oswald didn't kill Kennedy, men didn't go to the Moon, and 9/11 was an inside job.
And you're right - I have NOT been following the AGW debate, because I've seen dogmatic undertones emerging in it. The difference, however, is that the climate researchers are arguing the significance of the facts presented to them... rather than discounting them altogether. (Religions are good at that...)
RocketMan_Len
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Posted: 7/3/2010 8:04:48 AM
Religious doctrine is "peer" reviewed, by by the similarly faithful.
And that is the biggest part of the problem, isn't it...? The whole 'reviewed by the SIMILARLY FAITHFUL' part, that is. Scientific ideas are reviewed by *skeptics* of the idea, not those who already agree with you.
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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says
Posted: 6/29/2010 12:12:25 PM
Nah - they'll want to join in and have a REAL party...
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Posted: 6/27/2010 2:48:55 PM
Which, aside from being the only example we have of how species succeed, it is also a rock with such diverse examples that it covers a lot of bases.
Diverse as it may be, we're still dealing with a sample-size of one... not nearly enough to draw any kind of generalized conclusion about the nature of life in the greater universe on.
I'm not sure it's tin-beanie material, just to suggest that we just don't know enough about what is happening 'Out There' to say that XT life will behave anything like we do.
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Posted: 6/27/2010 11:57:43 AM
Not to mention - all we really know about food chains in general is what we've experienced on this particular ball of rock.
You've read Niven - you don't think that Puppeteers are plausible, even though they wouldn't be considered to be 'top predators' by ANY leap of imagination...?
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It's official: An asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs?
Posted: 6/27/2010 11:43:18 AM
& to Len, sorry for the hostility mate, but I got my wires crossed on which meteor you were referring to earlier.
It is a fact though that the meteor that detonated over Tunguska was determined some time ago.
Been trying to track down the actual type of meteor it was but no luck yet.
No offense taken. However - until you can provide some form of evidence to back up what you say, I'm agreeing with StarGazer. Even the cursory research I've done leads me to conclude that the Chixulub impact triggered the Cretaceous extinction, that the exact nature of the Tunguska impactor is unknown... and that until you can provide some form of evidence (and after watching 'Crude' in its entirety, plus the extras - I feel comfortable in saying that it *in no way* describes a plausible extinction theory...) your ideas bear very little weight in this discussion.
Provide the information, and I'll be willing to examine it.
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Posted: 6/27/2010 7:35:16 AM
Try watching the whole thing before posting ridiculous comments.
Try suggesting which particular segment I should watch...
By this statement it's still very obvious that you don't know what type of meteor it was.
And propably never will until you remove your own ego & ignorance & do the research.
At this point in time, NOBODY does. There are a number of ideas, some more supported than others. Both the comet fragment idea and the carbonaceous chondrite idea are equally supported by the evidence we have right now
As I said earlier, I don't necessarily agree with the documentary, but it does make some valid points.
I never said that it didn't. All I'm saying is that you SEEM to be reading too much into certain *extremely minor* points that got brought up.
and your nonsensical posts.
Pot, meet Kettle.
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Posted: 6/27/2010 7:15:56 AM
But they're NOT all green, Margo. The most popular alien 'type' is the Grey.
(But since the Asgard are all clones, sex is pretty much out of the question for them...
)
Or... there's always the Andorians - they're bright blue.
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Posted: 6/26/2010 12:26:52 PM
Sociology and politics are SOFT sciences, not pseudo sciences. Please take a moment to learn the difference.
'Hard' sciences deal with the tangible - physics, chemistry, astronomy, etc.
'Soft' sciences deal with things that are less concrete... such as sociology and psychology - where the effects might be less obvious, but still measurable.
PSEUDO sciences, on the other hand, make claims about things that cannot be duplicated, or tested. They rely on the gullibility of the listener to make their point seem valid when it actually isn't. Much like the snake-oil salesmen of the Old West - who hyped their products and were gone before their claims were demonstrated to be bogus.
All I mean is that I personally don't mean that when I say "science".
In that case, you're operating under a flawed definition.
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Posted: 6/26/2010 7:49:16 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/
Yeah, that's the one I found. So far, I've watched the first two parts and a couple of the extras, and can't see where you've come up with the idea that it contains some alternate hypothesis for dinosaur extinction.
And - really, in one spot, they referred to the Jurassic as 'the hottest time in the planets history'... apparently neglecting that the Permian Extinction was a time when global temperatures were thought to be 30% higher than the Jurassic.
They've done a good job of popularizing the process by which oil is produced... but they say NOTHING about dinosaurs, extinctions, or any of the ideas being discussed here. So please tell me how it could possibly be relevant?
What type of meteorite caused the Tunguska event ?
I guess you didn't fully read the post I made earlier.
Currently, the most plausible idea is that it was a comet fragment - loaded with volatiles and ices, it vapourized in the atmosphere... high enough to not cause a crater, but low enough so that the shock-wave of its' demise flattened the trees for miles.
I used to have it on video, but may have lost it in a housefire with thousands of hours of other documentaries. Sorry all.
Now... THAT is an interesting twist on the classic 'dog ate my homework' excuse...
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Posted: 6/25/2010 9:27:53 PM
But there ARE sciences that are separate from the physical. Sociology, psychology, politics and yes - even religion can be approached from the viewpoint of being quantified and understood at a rational level. Elections can be thought of as crude experiments in sociology.
I get the impression that you're operating under the assumption that the term 'science' is something that only equates with 'technology' when it is really a process by which phenomena are studied and understood. Where is the difference in observing and learning how people interact in groups, and learning how atoms behave when moving at near the speed of light? Same game, different players.
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Posted: 6/25/2010 1:22:40 PM
But does the man whose leg is cut off feel better if, while drunk, he thinks that his leg is still there?
I never said that subjectivity doesn't have import (did I...?
) But at the same time, it's markedly different from objectivity - which is what the various fields of science work at. I also don't say that there might be some overlap between the two.
What HAS religion 'got right'...? From what I've seen - every religious claim, when put to the test, has been shown to be dead wrong.
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Posted: 6/25/2010 10:38:28 AM
Exogenist...
It can be argued that someone who is drunk or high is happier than a sober person... but does that make being drunk or stoned as valid as being sober? As to their being more sensible - is that a product of their religion, or their intelligence?
Interesting phrase you've coined there - the science of belief. Are you trying to equate beliefs with science...? I would be more inclined to consider belief to be an ART - as both are essentially totally subjective, and not necessarily dependent on reality.
Every argument on the topic of science and religion seems to reach the point of 'Well, science can't tell us the PURPOSE of existence'. What makes you so certain it cannot, given enough time to examine the topic? And there's also the arrogant assertion that existence somehow HAS to have a meaning... when that isn't necessarily so.
Religion has no more claim to being the absolute arbiter of ethical behaviour than any other organization that has come into being throughout human history. You say that science has no 'heart'... but neither does religion. Many of the most heartless acts are perpetrated by the most religious people. ("Drill baby Drill" - remember...? Where was the ethical consideration in THAT devoutly religious persons' statement?) And incidentally, isn't it SCIENCE that is working towards cleaner energy, protecting the environment, and all that other good stuff...?
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Posted: 6/25/2010 7:04:58 AM
Krebby...
I'm sorry, but I don't see how religion can 'guide' science in terms of where we should look for answers. That has already been tried - the Popes told Galileo that he should NOT be looking through that telescope contraption of his.
Religions, like any organization, are composed of fallible humans that have feelings, agendas and biases... so if the people behind scientific pursuits are not to be trusted because of these qualities, why should we trust religious people to be any better?
I can, however, see ethical guidelines as a scientific concept... after all, the idea behind ethical behaviour is to understand the consequences of ones' actions - through prior example (experimentation), debate and careful thought. That's the very ESSENCE of the scientific process! Morality is a slippery term, and I dislike using it.
Science, at least, adapts to its' mistakes. Taking the spill in the Gulf - BP screwed up BIG TIME in not having the proper precautions in place... unless they're fools, next time they WILL. Now that they've learned the cost of their mistake, it won't be repeated. That's an exceedingly rare thing in religious circles, who take their 'holy books' as absolute.
The only thing religions are good for (or, rather... good AT) are manufacturing fears in the minds of others, and then offering salvation from the very fears that they themselves made.
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Posted: 6/24/2010 8:30:58 PM
I'm curious - what do you consider the 'rightful area' of scientific inquiry to BE? Isn't the whole idea behind science is that everything is open to examination, experimentation, and understanding?
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Posted: 6/23/2010 3:46:04 PM
The last time I felt an earthquake in this area was about twelve years ago... I'm not sure, but I *think* it was centered somewhere south of this latest one, and was something like a 3-4 in magnitude.
Haven't heard any reports of deaths or injuries... just some minor property damage.
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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says
Posted: 6/23/2010 2:14:15 PM
So if you can trace your lineage back to a common ancestor, you're the same species...? So if all the Ringworld hominids trace back to homo habilis, that would make them human as well... so then NONE of it was Rishathra...
Tasps are FUN... just don't use it often enough to make me a wirehead...
What's the last Niven novel you've read...? Ringworld Throne, Ringworlds' Children...? He's got a trilogy out now that covers a time 200 years before the Known Space line - Fleet of Worlds, Mover of Worlds, and Destroyer of Worlds. I have the first two, and they're quite interesting... one of these days, I'll have to order the third.
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earthquake in hamilton canada!!
Posted: 6/23/2010 1:12:12 PM
The latest info puts it at a 5.0 quake, centered in a region 55km north/northeast of Ottawa.
I felt it in Toronto - being on the 15th floor, I could feel the whole building sway... several inches, from my perspective.
News reports are saying that it's effects have been felt from North Bay to Pennsylvania.
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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says
Posted: 6/23/2010 1:09:11 PM
But that would bring up another issue - how far removed would you have to be, before you're considered to be 'alien'...
Staying in the Known Space theme... would you consider a Crashlander to be an alien? They're human, but born on We Made It... and thus are alien to earth.
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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says
Posted: 6/23/2010 7:43:48 AM
Granted, all have a common ancestor (Pak Protector), but the accuracy of "Rishathra" with the story's terrestrial protagonist (Louis Wu) is a valid example of fictional "alien sex".
HOWEVER - if you've read any of the *other* Niven stories from that universe, you would understand that humanity was descended from the Pak as well. So that immediately throws the 'alien' idea out the window.
Now... if a Puppeteer were involved, THAT would be 'alien sex'...
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It's official: An asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs?
Posted: 6/23/2010 7:27:39 AM
You did a search under what keywords? I just did one for 'Crude documentary' and got links to a film about the human cost of our dependence on oil - nothing to do with extinctions. Assuming that I've got it wrong... what's the CORRECT link?
As to your "You show me yours, and I'll show you mine" idea... you were the one who initially proposed this 'theory' of dinosaur extinction - it's up to YOU to back it up. Ergo - you get to play Show-and-Tell first.
As to the rest - no, we don't know the 'correct' answer to many things... extinction events being one of them. What we DO have, however, are plausible explanations based on the most reliable data we can obtain.
Regarding the Tunguska event... the most plausible explanation we have to date is that it was a comet fragment, which exploded high in the atmosphere. That's why there's no crater.
And when will the older people learn that they are just clinging to different 'fanciful stories of things'...?
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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says
Posted: 6/22/2010 6:19:39 PM
Not entirely accurate. "Rishathra", as defined by Niven, was not sex with aliens, but with different breeds of hominids.
More like dating a Neanderthal than an Adorian...
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It's official: An asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs?
Posted: 6/22/2010 12:29:31 PM
You cite a documentary film that you don't accurately recall the name of - how are we supposed to check that?
Further, you are unwilling to examine any evidence that doesn't support your own ideas about what happened to cause the extinction of the dinosaurs...
Such statements put your OWN credibility in a questionable light... not that of others.
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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says
Posted: 6/18/2010 1:04:49 PM
What's wrong with green, Margo...? As long as the biochemistries are compatible, isn't colour supposed to be irrelevant?
Or do you just have something against Vulcans...?
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mandatory overtime
Posted: 6/11/2010 1:39:52 PM
Is this something that just started, or has it been 10-12 hour shifts since Day One?
While any OverTime work is strictly optional, there are certain circumstances where a job *needs* to be done in a certain time-frame... so OT gets piled on just for that job.
I've been to MANY a jobsite that hired me for 10-hour shifts, seven days a week, in order to be finished by the time the plant needs to be restarted.
At a guess, I'd say that your management people think this is a temporary thing... and that once they've caught up, you'll go back to regular shifts.
That said - while OT is NEVER mandatory, the company might view your unwillingness to help out as grounds to cut back on your regular hours... and once things slow down, you may find yourself declared redundant and laid off.
Talk to your foreman/shop steward and express your concerns. You may be able to work out some vacation time or something to help take the pressure off.
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Everybody Draw Mohammed Day set for May 20th
Posted: 6/5/2010 12:09:50 PM
One thing that I'd be curious to find out about...
Assuming that FaceBook DOES remove the EDMD page, and any page that mirrors it - will they also remove all the 'Against', 'Protest', 'Remove', 'Ban', etc., pages that have sprung up in the wake of this movement? I've spent a little while perusing some of the protest pages, and have discovered a lot of people who say things that are equally offensive... if not moreso.
If they remove one, they should remove the others. That way, they won't be seen as playing favourites.
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Everybody Draw Mohammed Day set for May 20th
Posted: 6/1/2010 7:10:02 AM
Monday after officials from the social networking site apologized for a page deemed offensive to Muslims and removed its contents, a top information technology official said.
Better check those facts again... as the page is still up and running.
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Everybody Draw Mohammed Day set for May 20th
Posted: 5/24/2010 6:05:25 AM
"Saying that bullies cannot get their way" doesn't need to be "poking back."
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. You see it as 'poking back' and 'grade school-ish'... *I* see it as further evidence that Newtons' Laws of Motion can apply to human interaction as well.
One thing I'd be curious to know - how much of the overall popularity of the 'Draw Mohammad Day' movement was a result of all the (rather vocal) protests against it? With all the 'protest', 'boycott', and 'Ban Facebook over' pages that appeared in its' wake, it seems to me that a LOT of people would have gone to that page... just to see what all the furor was about.
If there hadn't been such a loud backlash against it, would it have simply faded into nothing?
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Everybody Draw Mohammed Day set for May 20th
Posted: 5/22/2010 9:09:00 PM
Grade school mentality...? Saying that bullies cannot get their way is hypocritical?
Personally, I think the ones with the grade-school mentality are the ones who say that they'll beat you up if you don't be quiet about something they don't like... instead of offering calm and rational reasons for not doing it.
Isn't "What you're saying makes me uncomfortable for (x) reason, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't do so in my presence" preferable to "I don't like what you're doing - stop it now or I'll kill you"...?
Reasoned debate gets listened to... threats get their bluffs called...
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Everybody Draw Mohammed Day set for May 20th
Posted: 5/22/2010 9:26:48 AM
Better check again. I found about *ten* pages labeled 'Draw Mohammed Day' - one with twelve thousand fans, and over eight thousand drawings. Far from taken down, the operator of the page has vowed to keep it open indefinitely (although taking a break for the weekend, due to overload...) and invites people to submit drawings all year long.
That somewhat restores MY faith in humanity - that people are willing to stand up to the bully-boy tactics of death-threats and riotous demonstrations, and say that we will freely speak our minds, no matter how much pressure you put on us to stop.
As one YouTuber put it - when the demonstrators stomp on and burn the flag of another nation, they're doing it to DELIBERATELY provoke and offend. Why is it permissible for them to do so, while simultaneously saying that it's NOT permissible for anyone to offend THEM?
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Science doesn't support Materialism or contradict the alternatives
Posted: 5/14/2010 8:24:34 AM
Baloney. Even in mathematics, the concept of GIGO applies. If your initial premise is somehow flawed - no matter how elegant and perfect your equations are, the result is just as worthless as anything else.
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Science doesn't support Materialism or contradict the alternatives
Posted: 5/14/2010 6:35:27 AM
We are no closer to understanding any 'why's of existence
Perhaps there are NO answers to the 'whys' of our existence... other than the obvious 'why not'. We may be looking for reasons behind things that have no inherent reason behind them.
And maybe that's the biggest difference between the philosopher and the scientist - the philosopher likes to play with questions that may not have ANY answer, while the scientist deals with questions that COULD have an answer.
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10 Feel Better Reasons to Just Do It
Posted: 5/13/2010 5:43:14 PM
Doesn't 30 minutes on a treadmill accomplish pretty much the same thing...? Both are good cardio workouts, so take your pick...
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