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susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 9/23/2009 2:28:33 PM
I'm a little 'confused'. You speak of 'morals' to those whose 'morals' are clearly questionable ...... do they 'hear'? ......are they 'capable of hearing' ....... I doubt it. I think 'morality' is 'absolute' ........the fundamentals don't change .......... but it needs a very 'brave' person to defend. Morality may 'adapt' ...... and its good that it does but if it loses those 'core values' then we are 'lost'........but then I think we are/have been for a long time .....and the question must be why/who 'profits'/why have we allowed ........at the end of the day 'we' have the power. We can 'change the world' - but we need the collective 'will'. Best wishes

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 8/25/2009 11:35:45 AM
B12? You're talking a load of crap. B12 is readily from yeast extracts/seaweed/pulses - all of which are staples of a vegetarian/vegan diet. In terms of third world countries/malnourished children .........I'm simply gobsmacked by your attitude. Clearly you are not 'aware' that the West (i.e. 'us') is promoting 'factory farming' in third world countries or that 'rainforest' is being cleared to provide grazing for beef cattle.......and you suggest that we don't eat meat on Thursday. I am utterly bemused.

susieb

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What is the difference between Having Sex and Making Love Posted: 8/20/2009 11:32:45 AM
Well said glenoran1 - guess you are one of the few here who have emotional security.

susieb

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Why are some people against hunting? Posted: 7/29/2009 3:51:20 PM
I'm sorry you feel this way. I don't believe I'm 'presuming' anything. I'm commenting on the basis of fact/s as I know them. I have to smile at the concept of feral pigs ............ exactly where do they exist? Mountains of flawless tomatoes? ........Yes - I agree. Mine are pretty 'flawless' despite being produced organically though I cannot produce 'fresh' all year round. I can, however, 'freeze' and produce thereby throughout the winter - though not as a salad crop. I really need a huge greenhouse - will look on ebay(!?!). We live, I believe, in different continents. Your 'concept' of hunting is likely to be different to mine. I can only tell you what I know/have observed. In the UK 'fox-hunting' was a great pastime. This involved a lot of horseriders - (and I'm a horse-rider too though have never fox-hunted) - chasing (with dogs) a fox until the poor animal was exhausted/cornered - then sending the dogs in to tear it apart. To 'train' the young dogs to do this - they dig up an 'earth' then hugely encourage them to enter/tear the pups apart - they've already killed the vixen. They do this, quite deliberately, when the pups are no more than 12 - 16 weeks. If this is 'hunting' then to me it is mindless and it is cruel. It is unforgivable. Another great British hunting pastime is 'shooting'. The target is invariably 'pheasant'. The birds are bred for the purpose in totally unnatural conditions and the vast majority are deformed in some way - making them a very easy target. I find this, too, mindless and cruel. With disbelief I wonder at the intelligence/compassion of those who engage. From what I have read I have to understand that the same mentality applies to hunting in whatever country. Yes - I am vegetarian - going on vegan - but I accept that we can't all share the same attitudes here. What I can't accept is the lack of thought/lack of compassion. I'm afraid I never will - no matter how much it is justified - it is simply inhumane.

susieb

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Why are some people against hunting? Posted: 7/29/2009 3:09:55 PM
You are clearly a 'thinking' person and I agree entirely

susieb

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Why are some people against hunting? Posted: 7/24/2009 10:20:15 AM
If you have seen overweight/obese vegetarians then I would suggest they are lying to you. I do indeed 'follow my own advice'............using the very long-held principles of rotational crops. In this way there is no need for inorganic fertilizers. It is the stupidity of those who follow/are led by the nose - the advice of the likes of Monsanto - never seeing the truth - that they manipulate for profit - theirs - not yours. You are clearly an 'angry' man. That's not my problem.

susieb

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Why are some people against hunting? Posted: 7/23/2009 12:22:43 PM
A very good question indeed. One I struggle with as I am vegetarian/going on vegan yet I feed my dog a 'meat based' diet. There are physiological differences between the cat/dog family and humans. Their gut is much shorter, designed for the rapid digestion of high protein/meat. We are 'omnivores' - can adapt equally. In fact our gut is better suited to a predominantly vegetarian diet. Purely on the 'health' issue ............ you don't see overweight/obese vegetarians/vegans. Considering a wider issue - the land required to raise animals for meat - one acre will support one cow/maybe 2 or 3 sheep/goats - but would support 10 men in terms of grain production. Think about it. 'Hunting' - as a 'sport' - is morally/ethically 'wrong' and cannot be justified in any way. I'm utterly bemused that those who support are so insensitive. Do you imagine your 'prey' actually 'feels' any different to you and I? Think about it. I live in a rural, farming area. Have done for a quarter of a century. I 'know' that the cow whose calf is removed at birth is no less distraught than I would be in those circumstances. The same could be said for the sheep. Sadly the 'standard of care' is that of any other cheap/replaceable commodity. I find it rather obscene that this is considered 'acceptable'...........but it's the same insensitive attitude that promotes/supports 'hunting'. Someone has suggested that hunting serves 'conservation purposes'. I could, perhaps, accept that argument if it was discriminating. The fact is - it is generally a lot of over-excited guys who don't care/think - are probably incapable of doing so or they wouldn't do it in the first place. Nature keeps its own 'balance' generally - has done for millions of years. We think we know better and have completely disrupted our ecological system. We may not survive the consequences of our 'lack of thought' and that would be a fitting epitaph.

susieb

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What is the difference between Having Sex and Making Love Posted: 7/22/2009 3:35:54 PM
I don't always read all of the pages either so my comments might sometimes seem 'out of context'. 'This', however, is pretty fundamental. Sex? An 'urge' that needs to be satisfied? Does it? Are we incapable of self-control? Do we respond as an animal would?........simply to the call/urge of 'nature'? ........ I'd like to believe we are more intelligent but pretty much everything I learn tells me otherwise. Sad reflection. Don't you think? Yes ....... you can 'have sex' with anyone ........ you might 'enjoy/appreciate'/you might not. You can only 'make love' with one person and reaching that point takes time.

susieb

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What is the difference between Having Sex and Making Love Posted: 7/22/2009 2:11:56 PM
Surely not. Where does this 'experience' come from/why?

susieb

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What is the difference between Having Sex and Making Love Posted: 7/21/2009 2:39:24 PM
Well ....... having quickly 'browsed' the replies I am no less 'sad'. Believe me ......... the act of 'sex' ........ 'making love' ........ can take your breath away with its power. It is beautiful. It is pure.

susieb

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What is the difference between Having Sex and Making Love Posted: 7/6/2009 2:26:29 PM
I have to smile/laugh. I also have to feel saddened by the fact.

susieb

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You're in a relationship, but you have a profile on POF just for the threads? Really? Posted: 7/6/2009 2:15:43 PM
Mmmmmm ....... sorry .........I do tend to flit in and out/comment here and there - without having read the previous - forgive me. I guess 'this' might be considered a 'public declaration' ......... but why the necessity - among people you have never 'met'/have no binding affinity with ......... though this is very much a subjective view. Best wishes.

susieb

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You're in a relationship, but you have a profile on POF just for the threads? Really? Posted: 6/30/2009 2:46:05 PM
So are 'looks' the criteria? Let's just 'get real' here .......... you profess to be 'engaged' to someone 'good-looking' ....... so why are you 'here?' What is it that you need that he isn't giving/able to give? Does he even exist? Thankfully ......... not my problem.

susieb

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You're in a relationship, but you have a profile on POF just for the threads? Really? Posted: 6/30/2009 2:33:15 PM
mmmmm ........... I would have to agree/concur.

susieb

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Are there ANY women who don't CHEAT? Posted: 6/30/2009 2:22:24 PM
It doesn't have to be that way.

susieb

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Are there ANY women who don't CHEAT? Posted: 6/30/2009 2:20:52 PM
Mmmmmm. I think you are just 'confused'.

susieb

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Trust ? Posted: 6/30/2009 2:18:01 PM
It's up to you but I would say 'don't be stupid'. You are attractive - clearly intelligent - you are worth far more than a lying/cheating 'loser'. Dump him. Fast.

susieb

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the ghurkas Posted: 6/17/2009 5:31:35 PM
Gosh. I feel very humbled to be so 'educated' - but I'm a little 'puzzled' - is this a defence of the 'British Indian Army' or a defence of Muslims? Whatever. These statistics cannot assuage the appalling behaviour of the British Army in its slaughter of Indian civilians and nothing can justify the politics involved.

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 5/7/2009 10:21:38 AM
Interesting........A desert island might provide sufficient nuts/fruits/vegetation ....... subject to its destruction by our lifestyle - (here in the West) - to more than sustain life. Haven't read 'every' reply ......don't intend to/haven't the time. The simple/basic facts are 1 acre will feed 10 men - it will feed one cow/maybe 2/3 sheep. We are destroying land/forests/indiginous people for entirely the wrong reasons - driven by the greed of multinationals - the 'need' for meat. By the time we have the sense to recognise - it may be too late. Peta/Animal Aid etc. is not about 'emotion' in terms of raising animals for slaughter - but the far wider concept/question of 'is it necessary in the first place?' ..........No .......It is not. It occurs for 'profit' and to subject another living creature to distress 'for profit' is ethically unacceptable.

susieb

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should the US apologize for slavery Posted: 4/1/2009 1:54:28 PM
Oohhhh really. I'm a little gobsmacked by the mentality of who was ultimately responsible/who apologises first. Does it matter?! The basic concept is that 'exploitation' is wrong - and there should be apologies - since it was knowingly done ........ but - hey - our respective govts. exploit us all and will continue to do so - that's the 'nature of the game' ............... but should the continuation of life/humanity continue to be a game? I don't think so. I think we all need to apologise for 'abuse'. When this was politically procreated/accepted then there is even more need for apology in so far as we all colluded........were too frightened/too 'ignorant'/too insensitive & uncaring ......... the Klu Klux Clan? ........ for God's sake! How .......... ignorant can you be? Equally I accept/agree with the view expressed previously - time to 'move on' - yes - it is - but unless we accept the 'wrongdoing' - for want of a better explanation - then we never 'learn' .........we never know 'compassion'/we don't see/understand 'justice/injustice'. I 'know' which side of the fence I stand and I am not afraid to speak out. ...... so many cannot - rely on us by proxy. Should the US apologise for slavery? Yes. Should the US apologise for Iraq? Yes. Because she lied. I can't excuse the stupidity of a British govt that didn't seek to validate but I guess that's part of the whole problem. Democracy only exists - is alive and well - if you and I 'engage'/'question'. - and how many of us do/have the time? .......we're all struggling to simply survive. Long live democracy!?!

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 4/1/2009 11:36:44 AM
Mmmmm. You are clearly 'opposed' to even consider. It's very obvious from your photo that 'you like your meat' .......i.e. you are clearly 'overweight'. You don't see overweight vegetarians. You speak of 'nitrogen fertilizers' - these are not needed in a green/vegetarian environment - or not to the extent that they need to be transported - simply go and 'pee' on your veg! The simple fact is that one acre will feed 10 men but one cow. How would you choose to use that acre? I believe you have commented too on the 'feelings' of animals. Do you really imagine that the lamb/calf - sheep/cow does not feel as you and I do? Maybe that is a part of your ignorance/insensitivity. I can promise you they don't ........ their distress at being torn from their mothers is no less than that of a new born child torn from its mother. Are you so utterly insensitive that you imagine the slaughterhouse to be a 'normal/everyday experience'? .......... and can you summon the sensitivity to even care? I doubt it.

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 4/1/2009 11:10:48 AM
How very well said/put.

susieb

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Climate disruption, re. The Science of Global Warming Posted: 3/30/2009 1:32:38 PM
Floods caused by global warming. Who says so? On what basis? Whilst I don't doubt that global warming is a factor in flooding, it's merely a side issue. The biggest culprit in global warming/flooding/third world poverty/injustice - is man. His very behaviour is ignorant, thoughtless and selfish and he seems incapable of learning quickly enough. It's interesting, perhaps, that here in the UK a new restriction has been added to building regs to prevent householders concreting over their front gardens. It is perceived that 'this' reduces land drainage - never mind the destruction of land drainage in terms of road building/new airport runways although in fairness these are professionally(?) constructed and should consider such - I wonder of they do to the extent that is needed.

susieb

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Do all women own big undercrackers? Posted: 3/30/2009 12:00:28 PM
Sweetheart I think you must be 'blind' ....... or maybe speaking to someone else. 'Insults/derogatory criticism' is never helpful to any kind of relationship yet so many seem to think it 'clever'.

susieb

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What is it about soldiers??? Posted: 3/26/2009 5:50:09 PM
Congratulations. I think most 'got your point'. The issues, particularly in terms of Iraq, are so often political/have ulterior motives - 'oil being one'. Sadly the armed forces cannot debate the validity of their orders - a fact highlighted by the comments/behaviour of various commanders (in recent years). We all knew/now know that Iraq was all about oil ....... Britain had no legitamate reason to attack ....... however - it is not so 'simple'. The very reason for attacking Sadam - in terms of the Gulf War - was never satisfactorilly concluded i.e. he wasn't assassinated/nothing changed - realistically. He needed to be 'removed' both for international security and for the welfare of Iraqis. His 'removal' paved the way for an insurgence of the terrorist element and it is that that our forces have had to deal with. Should they have? Well ..... it always existed - always will to some extent - but the existence of our combined forces in Iraq has mitigated to a large extent. Hopefully the people will now resist. There will always be conflict in the region - we only have to observe Israel to realise. Given history the conflict is not surprising and many would consider that we are to blame. I could not disagree. I am, however, eternally grateful to those brave enough to do what has to be done/to go where most men fear/refuse and to do so without question. I can only hope that they are not later let down by those who - politically - give the orders.

susieb

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Do all women own big undercrackers? Posted: 3/26/2009 5:11:40 PM
I'm completely 'lost' here - though I can appreciate the comments of 'too much info'. As a size 6/8 - normal size is far too big ......... but then what's 'normal'? ........ children's fits me fine but is often too skimpy/short in the leg..........it would be an impossible fit for a size 14 - but what does it matter?

susieb

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You're in a relationship, but you have a profile on POF just for the threads? Really? Posted: 3/26/2009 4:01:33 PM
so why do it in the first place?

susieb

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Climate disruption, re. The Science of Global Warming Posted: 3/26/2009 3:53:53 PM
this seems to be your response to every comment. You are quite 'right'. The long and short of the situation is .........'we' are in complete control ....... if we 'choose' to exercise.

susieb

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Climate disruption, re. The Science of Global Warming Posted: 3/4/2009 3:48:25 PM
Wow! Guess you just summed that up perfectly! Thank you.

susieb

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The Science of Global Warming Posted: 3/4/2009 3:39:19 PM
Thank you. We are continually provided with this info - if we choose to 'listen' - in terms of its ultimate effect on us ......... yet no-one emphasises the eco-systems/bio-diversity that will have been destroyed forever - meanwhile - long before we realise/act. Our 'ignorance' is quite frightening and frequently compounded by 'politics' ........ It's quite 'shocking' ....... yet 'that' is the way of the world - profit/survival of the fittest - or the least concerned. Sad.

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 3/4/2009 3:04:21 PM
I'm horrified ..........sure you must be 'joking'. Vegans/Peta ....... is just one aspect of our attempts to create a 'better world'. I'm sad/sorry that you 'mock'. Your 'mockery' won't change anything. I have to assume that you are all so 'tiny-minded' that you do not appreciate or understand the issues of the wider world ......... that you are 'not concerned' by global warming/destruction of habitat/carbon footprints. I have to assume that you do not recognise cruelty & unjustice. I find that hard to believe of people who are clearly computer literate - ergo 'educated' to some extent.

susieb

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You're in a relationship, but you have a profile on POF just for the threads? Really? Posted: 3/4/2009 2:13:02 PM
Bit confused here. What was your 'relationship status' before you met your 'other' here? You see .... you 'say' you've met lots of 'friends' - some of whom you've been chatting to 'here' for several years, yet never 'met'. Why? You seem to find it extraordinary that men/women can simply be 'friends'....... or you assume that others do. Why? I'm puzzled. Finally. What exactly does 'peace out dude' mean?

susieb

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Would we have better relationships if looks REALLY didn't matter? Posted: 2/26/2009 1:44:47 PM
So ...... I guess we all agree, basically. They 'way in which we do' might be very different - and that's ok - it moves us closer to the 'better world'.

susieb

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Would we have better relationships if looks REALLY didn't matter? Posted: 2/23/2009 11:11:36 AM
So very true. Beauty is only skin deep and is, in any case, in the eye of the beholder/a matter of opinion.

susieb

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Would we have better relationships if looks REALLY didn't matter? Posted: 2/23/2009 11:06:44 AM
Mmmmmm. I guess many others have replied since and maybe echo/maybe not. 'Looks' do not 'matter' - the person does.

susieb

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Is divorce like mourning a death? Posted: 2/18/2009 12:17:49 PM
Yes. Divorce after so many years - is a 'death'. Be 'kind' to yourself. It may be a few years yet before you feel able to move on. I can't comment on your 'other' questions - I wasn't 'there/didn't witness' - and I don't know the reasons 'why'. Suffice to say that 'divorce' is a very, very drastic action and shouldn't be considered lightly. Maybe the fact that your ex has been able to 'move on so seamlessly' says it all .......... or maybe it says he just wants you back - familiar/loving and caring. Divorce, after so many years, doesn't relinquish so easily. It's 'hard' to adjust - begin again.........and that applies whether we are male/female. We have stereo-typed views - whether we like it or not/accept or not - and 'that' conditions us in terms of relationships, particularly 'future' relationships - whether or not we are 'aware' of the fact. Best wishes.

susieb

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Is divorce like mourning a death? Posted: 2/18/2009 11:39:35 AM
Yes. Divorce after so many years - is a 'death'. Be 'kind' to yourself. It may be a few years yet before you feel able to move on. I can't comment on your 'other' questions - I wasn't 'there/didn't witness' - and I don't know the reasons 'why'. Suffice to say that 'divorce' is a very, very drastic action and shouldn't be considered lightly. Maybe the fact that your ex has been able to 'move on so seamlessly' says it all .......... or maybe it says he just wants you back - familiar/loving and caring. Divorce, after so many years, doesn't relinquish so easily. It's 'hard' to adjust - begin again.........and that applies whether we are male/female. We have stereo-typed views - whether we like it or not/accept or not - and 'that' conditions us in terms of relationships, particularly 'future' relationships - whether or not we are 'aware' of the fact. Best wishes.

susieb

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The loss of a fellow POF member Posted: 2/18/2009 11:07:21 AM
Tara - 'this' would comfort us all/anyone. Thank you.

susieb

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Are there ANY women who don't CHEAT? Posted: 2/18/2009 10:09:23 AM
Oh dear - conflicting responses. What are you trying to achieve here?

susieb

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Is it ok for your GF to hang out with Ex boyfriends? Posted: 2/18/2009 10:04:57 AM
I'll add my tuppence for what it's worth. Any/every relationship has a value - it may not have been 'the one' but that doesn't mean it should be discounted/ignored (unless it was simply a one night stand - and - yes - women sometimes do this too). Many of the responses here indicate a complete lack of maturity. I interpret the concern as 'jealousy'. There should be no reason for. Maybe this issue needs to be worked on. 'Respect' has been a comment made. How about 'respect' for the fact that your partner wishes to retain some friendly contact with people who have previously been important?

susieb

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IF A TREE FALLS IN A FOREST, AND NOBODY IS AROUND, DOES IT MAKE A SOUND??? Posted: 2/2/2009 10:58:49 AM
Forgive me - it's rather ignorant/stupid to assume that mankind alone is capable of 'conscious' life. I would argue very differently. I don't believe man is capable - in the individual sense - of choosing/making 'conscious' decisions/choices - hence the world in which we live.

susieb

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IF A TREE FALLS IN A FOREST, AND NOBODY IS AROUND, DOES IT MAKE A SOUND??? Posted: 2/2/2009 10:52:33 AM
Mmmmm ......would seem logical

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 2/2/2009 10:45:30 AM
I'm very 'puzzled' as a uk citizen/supporter of peta/various other vegetarian/vegan organisations - where is all this coming from?

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 2/2/2009 10:42:56 AM
No. I am not. I can 'promise' you. You clearly feel animals are incapable of emotion. Why?

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 2/2/2009 10:38:26 AM
I'm very 'puzzled' as a uk citizen/supporter of peta/various other vegetarian/vegan organisations - where is all this coming from?

susieb

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Msg: 180 (view)

Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 2/2/2009 10:21:30 AM
Oh for heavens sake! Grow up! Compassion for others is fundamental to creating a better/more equal society/world. Why should that begin and end with humans? 'Peaceful' is entirely irrelevant. The support of vegetarians/vegans for organisations engaged in promoting should not be confused with such issues. The basic principles are: It takes one acre to feed one cow/maybe two or three sheep - that same acre could support 10 men. In a world where the population exceeds resources (as we have now) there is no 'excuse'. There is certainly no 'excuse' for the destruction of rainforests to create 'grazing' for beef cattle. This is morally wrong - whichever way you look at it - from the displacement of indiginous people to the loss of habitat for wildlife to the loss of medicinal plants - many 'lost' forever. There is simply no 'excuse' for the selfish excesses of modern man ........ yet we don't 'have to' take part .........we don't 'have to/need to' eat meat. From a nutritional point of view a vegetarian/vegan diet is very much more 'healthy' and can supply all our requirements. You speak of 'emotion'. Why should we feel differently towards the young child/the calf/the lamb? What is the difference? Why should we feel differently towards the older person/the cow/the sheep? What is the difference? Do you imagine that the cow whose calf is torn from her at birth feels any differently to the woman whose child is taken from her? I can assure you she doesn't. I have been kept awake by her bellowing for her baby for weeks on end. I have seen her distress as she imagines (as I walk my dog (calf-size) past her field) that her baby is being returned - finally. It is unimaginable ignorance to 'accept'. It is also 'unimaginable ignorance' not to heed the humanitarian 'needs'. Forgive my criticism .......... but I don't think you 'understand' and I'm not sure you want to.

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 1/29/2009 3:02:27 PM
Hey ......get 'real' ..... 'assumptions' led UK into joining with USA in attacking Iraq - this is a 'different' issue/post but nevertheless poses similarities. 'Emotionalism'? Can you please 'define' precisely? ALF? Who exactly are they? Vegetarians? Peaceful? .......... I just don't believe I've read your comments. The sheer 'ignorance/bias' is abundantly clear and I want no part of - it's simply too ignorant/stupid. '

susieb

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Hypothetical dilemma for Vegans/PETA... Posted: 1/29/2009 2:44:36 PM
No ........ it could not be considered 'immoral' - depending on your 'beliefs'. I think you 'jest' in terms of crude oil/paper - so I guess your 'comments' are less than 'genuine' .........but then I think the comments that started this were 'less than genuine'. It's very 'clear' that you are not 'thinking' people .......and I 'don't have the time for'. I despise ignorance.

susieb

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Why are we on top of the food chain ? Posted: 1/29/2009 2:31:22 PM
I'm a little surprised by your response. This shows little 'sensitivity/intuitism' .........and that's ok - so long as you can take/accept criticism. Every other species shows us an innate trust/belief - that we then betray - have done for many years. Why? Could it be ..... 'profit'? We have betrayed one another equally..............and I dare say we will continue to do so ...... but 'what' is the 'reason'? ...........quite apart from our sheer stupidity

susieb

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IF A TREE FALLS IN A FOREST, AND NOBODY IS AROUND, DOES IT MAKE A SOUND??? Posted: 1/29/2009 2:14:06 PM
I'm a little gobsmacked by the attempts to be 'intellectual'. On the one hand 'does it matter'/on the 'other' hand 'yes - it does'. Whether it matters or not will not 'feed people'/change the world - maybe that is the crux of any subject.

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