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Thread: Do straight guys secretly yearn to kiss another man full-on?
Ohio_Cowboy
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Do straight guys secretly yearn to kiss another man full-on?
Posted:
8/24/2006 6:29:44 PM
I see your point. But what I find telling is the double standard of the observer. When women kiss women, it's considered acceptable and hot. When men kiss men, it's considered unacceptable and awful. There's a major double standard there.
Well, that is true to an extent. What's less discussed though is that many many men, are not turned on by that at all. Some are, yes. But they're made out to be like they're the majority, when I think if you took an honest anonymous survey of a million men where it was promised their identity would never get out if they provided complete honesty, you might find that the numbers of guys who got off on that are much lower than you'd expect.
Just a hunch and I've nothing to back that up with, but I know a lot of guys (you know, being a guy) who whoop it up in groups if other guys bring up the subject of two girls together, who will later (after they're no longer in that group) confide that they don't get much out of it. At least as I've heard anyway, I could be completely wrong and if so, well, then that's that.
Still, it is a double standard. One which I do not share, as evidenced on other threads where I've said it does nothing for me sexually (beyond seeing a woman naked, but the action/sex between two women, even kissing, really doesn't appeal to me).
Ohio_Cowboy
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Women with careers cheat
Posted:
8/24/2006 6:21:02 PM
By smarter do you mean more dishonest?
Serious question, I'm not sure what you mean?
Ohio_Cowboy
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Finding out your friend and your f*ck buddy had sex ?
Posted:
8/24/2006 6:18:45 PM
Why do you care? he's only your f*ck buddy. He can have as much buddies as he wants. If you are developing emotions, stop now before you get hurt. No offense, just my thoughts.
On the one hand that's true. However, it's not the f-buddy I would consider as odd here, but the "friend". I just don't get friends that would do that, no matter the circumstances (excepting making a porn movie or something I guess). It just seems really inconsiderate of the friendship.
Keep in mind my idea of friendship is terribly outdated and unmodern and totally unshallow. Your mileage may vary.
Ohio_Cowboy
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How much does enthusiasm matter in the bedroom :)
Posted:
8/24/2006 5:58:50 PM
Another angle to look at here is this....
Have anyone ever been in a relationship and initiated sex with your partner only to say fuggitaboutit a few minutes later because there was no enthusiasm???
I did. I was all over her and she said, "can we make this quick??? I'm tired."
Never mind. Go to bed. LOL.
Yes, all the time in marriage.
Last time she even tried, she kind of was laying there in the bed, after falling asleep on the couch and then walking upstairs. I came in the room, after yet another weekend of no sex (which can stretch for months in my household) and she looked at me, knowing I was totally frustrated, and said "ok, here I am I guess, if you want me" in the most bored, droll voice I've ever heard on a woman. Even though it had been a good three months, I politely said "no, not now, get some sleep" and walked out. She's done that before and if I'd take her up on it she'd just kind of lay there and not touch, or kiss, or really move much at all at any point.
Enthusiasm counts for everything if there's nothing wrong physically with her.
Ohio_Cowboy
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[Can you tell if a woman is cheating from the size of her vagina?]
Posted:
8/24/2006 5:52:59 PM
Why yes, yes you can.
My wife's vagina started to get bigger one time. I didn't think anything of it at first, but as the days passed it kept getting bigger and bigger. She denied the affair but once while we were at the doctor's her vagina had gotten so big that some small bloody bald midget guy with a lasso, who apparently had been hiding in there, popped out.
Proof positive.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Nymphomania.
Posted:
8/24/2006 5:38:17 PM
I dated one.
I thought it would be cool, and it was.
But after the 7th-8th time that day, I was exhausted. I hurt. Mind is willing, but flesh is not.
And then she started to get upset. Demanding. Angry that I couldn't keep up. And then she started looking for it elsewhere. And actually crying to me.
And that's when I left her.
Definitely sounds like I need to date one...for a day.
And oh, what a day it would be. :)
Ohio_Cowboy
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Do straight guys secretly yearn to kiss another man full-on?
Posted:
8/24/2006 5:35:42 PM
I think you're confused on what the gender labels mean. I also find it funny how defensive some people get when somebody presents a preference that they don't like. A guy says "look, it just does nothing for me", throws some people who are bi or gay into tizzies because they've told themselves over and over again "everybody is like me". Don't get me wrong, I think it's human nature to want everybody to be like you at some level, we all do it in regards to a variety of topics. But it just isn't so.
What we need to understand is that everybody is in fact different, and that being different isn't wrong. Furthermore, because somebody doesn't share your view of life doesn't mean they are in "denial" about anything. What it means is that they do not share your view of life. Your view of life is not the Universal Standard. Nobody's is, for a fact. My suggestion is to stop trying to make everybody conform or kowtow to one's view or opinion, stop belittling people who don't share your preferenes, and stop being smug and condescending accusing people of "hiding something" because they happen to not see things your way.
I swear, some days I really wish Freud had never been born. An entire world now is totally obsessed with psychoanalyzing everything and looking for hidding "meanings". Geesh.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Women with careers cheat
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8/24/2006 5:28:45 PM
I can believe this. Of course it's obvious that men do it too. I think the reasons are different (and yet, the same). A woman with a high powered career probably isn't investing anything near the amount of time in a relationship that a woman in a normal job/staying at home would. That's the same for men too, the "power" people are obsessive compulsive narcissists I'm afraid, as a general rule. Which means that if she's not spending any real time on the relationship, the relationship will stagnate. If it stagnates, she'll look around at all the alpha male $200k a year guys around her, and say "hey, gonna get me some of that...after my next meeting and conference call and lunch and...etc". And she will. And of course, the "power" guys do this too. The differene is that the power guy will probably tell everybody and their brother that he's banging the hot secretary, while the power woman will keep her affairs a secret or try to conceal them in some way.
But it's nothing new under the sun. People who obsess about one thing in life exclude everything else. When they get needs, they simply fulfill them to the point they can continue with their main focus, then they're gone again.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Do straight guys secretly yearn to kiss another man full-on?
Posted:
8/22/2006 8:11:24 PM
Dont criticize what you havent tried.
I've never tried to murder somebody. Yet, I'll criticize murder.
Go figure.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Do straight guys secretly yearn to kiss another man full-on?
Posted:
8/20/2006 10:10:00 PM
Seriously, most men wont admt to it, but its human nature to wonder what it would be like to be with the opposite sex. It done all over the world without being judged... except in north america.
Um, guy, it's done in the united states. In fact, most everybody here wonders what it would be like to be with the opposite sex, then they go and date the opposite sex, then they marry the opposite sex and have kids and a family together. That's kind of how it works. If us folks in the U.S. didn't do that, there would be no enduring non-immigrant human population here.
I think a lot of people like to say "it's human nature" when what they mean is "I myself have..." Makes it seem more general and less specific that way.
Just an observation.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Do straight guys secretly yearn to kiss another man full-on?
Posted:
8/20/2006 4:21:03 PM
No.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be straight, they'd be bi-curious.
Ohio_Cowboy
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would you date someone who is not capable of intercourse?
Posted:
8/20/2006 4:05:44 PM
Date?
Honey, I married someone who was not capable of intercourse.
Wish I'd been informed of this feature before marriage.
Ohio_Cowboy
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How freaky are you?
Posted:
8/15/2006 10:26:25 PM
I'm so freaky that I want to hold and cherish a girl and rush her away in a maelstrom of passionate heat, each of us focusing on the other, a surging emotion sweeping between us as we fill ourselves with the other. No circus tricks, no worrying about what others are doing, just pure intimacy and total fulfillment.
Old fashioned I suppose, but it's so unique these days that it's got to be one of the freakiest things going.
Ok, and some public sex, yeah, that's cool too, lol.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why guys are so intrested in Lezbians and want to watch them?
Posted:
8/15/2006 10:20:40 PM
Guys, in my opinion, are interested in watching lesbians because it is twice as good as watching one woman. "Hell, yeah! I'll take two...how many you got?" is what I imagine their internal dialogue sounds like...
My fantasies normally consist of women that want me to be there, not of women who aren't interested in having me around while they're going at it.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why guys are so intrested in Lezbians and want to watch them?
Posted:
8/15/2006 3:56:41 PM
For me, it would be to learn. I wont to learn more ways to pleasure a woman. Watch two women would prove to be most educational.
This is another myth that makes me roll my eyes.
"A woman would know best how to please another woman."
Yeah. Sure. And a man would know best how to give a blowjob to another man.
Right?
Doubtful.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why guys are so intrested in Lezbians and want to watch them?
Posted:
8/14/2006 9:39:27 PM
Well, they are smiling, and we both know they're really bad actresses, so...whatever floats their boat.
I'm all into the idea of a FFM threesome, but only if the women are there for me and not each other. I figure it's my fantasy world, I'll construct it how I wish. Them being there for each other and I'm just hanging around as some dopey guy hoping they notice doesn't do anything for me.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Taking your girlfriend to a porn store
Posted:
8/14/2006 9:00:58 PM
I think it depends on whether she'd be naturally offended by porn. If she isn't then it would depend on whether she wanted to freeze you out or was into you.
My wife was able to go into a porn shop with some friends and just laugh and have a great time, but the one time I suggested that we try it together, just to go in and look around, I was given the cold shoulder for a week and have never heard the end of it.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why guys are so intrested in Lezbians and want to watch them?
Posted:
8/14/2006 8:57:07 PM
I'm not.
Not even in the least bit, does it turn me on, beyond seeing a pretty naked woman. The actual "her touching her" doesn't do a thing for me to be frank. If there's no possibility for me being involved (fantasy wise), I don't see the point.
I guess I failed at being socially indoctrinated and will content myself with adoring beautiful, lusty, man loving heterosexual women. So be it, I can face the peril.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Does anyone of you have low sex drive ?
Posted:
8/14/2006 8:21:03 PM
i have a really low sex drive. i could live without it for ever and ever which is really confusing and frustrating since i used to be a sex addict. i used to have sex at least 3 times a day and for the last 2 years i'll go out of my way to avoid sex at all costs.... i think i need someone to reawaken my sexuality...this sucks, and i feel like a mental case...
I mean this in all possible niceness, so don't take it as harsh. The reality is that it's not up to somebody else to take responsibility for your libido. A person's sex drive is their own responsibility and must be managed accordingly, whether it's high or low or normal. Somebody else can't come in and "make" you want sex, that has to come from you.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why do Men get to choose?
Posted:
8/14/2006 8:17:18 PM
Women choose all the time too.
Ask any of the "nice guys" how often they are passed over because they don't exude "that vibe", by women who never even try to get to know them.
We all have preferences. You said you've dated all ranges of men in size/weight, so obviously you're getting dates in your life. If that's the case, then what does it matter one way or the other what other people choose as a preference for a date/mate?
Hon, honestly, I'd love if somebody like Angelina Jolie were to give me the time of day, but she won't. I'm just not in her preference range. I accept it, and move on, there's nothing we can do to change others.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Is she good in bed?
Posted:
8/8/2006 5:09:34 PM
Tongue studs are a great indication of at least one part being good about the experience.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why is there so much violence in porn?
Posted:
8/7/2006 9:53:30 PM
Duh! Really how many porn stars do it for the sex??
Well, they must enjoy it, they are smiling a lot, and we all know they're horrible actors/actresses.
Ohio_Cowboy
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single forever
Posted:
8/7/2006 8:27:49 PM
never had it......i dont let love get hold of my heart, unless the one walked into my life
The problem is, when The One does walk in, you let your heart go, and then find out after the trap was sprung that she used it as a way to get ahead in the world and never really loved you.
Beware man, you sound almost exactly like me when I was in my early 20's.
Ohio_Cowboy
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single forever
Posted:
8/7/2006 8:07:51 PM
I guess it's better to have loved then to have never loved at all but the worse thing is loving someone who doesn't love you back. Agree with this?
Especially if they marry you. Worst goddamned feeling in the whole wide world, married to somebody who really doesn't care for you and never really cared for you.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Jack and Jill?
Posted:
8/7/2006 8:03:08 PM
Modern life is detached enough as it is without sitting there not touching others as they are sitting there not touching you, in a group.
I'm all for being watched, etc, but with the caveat that it's an "us" being watched touching each other, etc.
No touching, self pleasuring only, in a group where it would be frustration cubed because surely you'd be wanting to touch somebody else there and they probably want to be touched but you're all following the Rules, so nothing happens.
Nah, sign me up for a good old fashioned full contact orgy any day of the week, thanks.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Your 1st Time Meeting
Posted:
8/7/2006 7:57:15 PM
You know, Ted Bundy kidnapped a few girls right off a well-populated beach. I've seen pictures of the location on the very day he had kidnapped a girl and there were hundreds of people. Public doesn't always mean safe, the internet will always run the risk of being victimized by predators and perverts.
That's true of anywhere.
All these precautions from people whom I'm betting have met others in a bar on occasion and slept with them without even knowing their last name.
Internet, bars, the public library, wherever, if a person is a psycho, he/she is a psycho no matter the context.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why Women Prefer Taller Men - The definitive answer
Posted:
8/6/2006 4:19:26 PM
Vanity thy name is Ohio Cowboy
Well sure.
Part of that wasn't terribly unserious. Prior to anything else being different between me and my shorter friends (last check, all of them), I'd usually be the guy approached first for whatever reason.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Why Women Prefer Taller Men - The definitive answer
Posted:
8/6/2006 3:22:30 PM
Very interesting article, well done!
As a 6'3" tall man with a rather head turning build, I can tell you for a fact that most women I've seen in life will give me the up and down stare w/smile before they will any of my shorter friends. Even before I had the rather head turning build.
I think the people shouting "preference!" are missing the point. Yes, it is preference. The question isn't "what is it", the question was "why is it", so it being a preference is a given before the first word of the first sentence of the first paragraph of the article.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Very long hair on a woman is very femine and sexy, but few women have long hair
Posted:
8/3/2006 9:15:54 PM
And Cowboy and others, including the person you quoted, many of us are perfectly willing to CONSIDER our partner's preference. Few if any are willing to be CONTROLLED by our partner's preference. There's a big difference.
Sure, I agree.
Her statement just struck me as the ultimate declaration of narcissism.
Ohio_Cowboy
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What makes a woman more of a woman
Posted:
8/3/2006 8:53:05 PM
a woman is more of a woman when she can shoot a post it note in half at 15 yards ;)
Now that is cool!
A woman who can go to the shooting range with me, and enjoy it, is my kind of gal!
Ohio_Cowboy
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What makes a woman more of a woman
Posted:
8/3/2006 8:52:12 PM
Not trying to always be in competition with a guy. Being able and competent in life is great, but there seeems to be this huge insecurity with women these days that they feel the need to "prove" that they can do everything a guy can do. I blame a lot of this attitude on unrealistic media hype, bizarre "women are always better at everything than those stupid men" movies/television shows, and pressure by society on women to "have it all, at all costs!", but that's just my opinion.
Another thing that makes a woman a womanly, in my view of course, is dressing feminine when the occasion calls for it. Which is to say, ok maybe not in a nice dress while watering the flowers in the garden or anything, but it sure is very attractive when we go out to not see her in jeans, tennies a baggy sweatshirt, you know?
Sexuality is great as well, the flash and tease type of sexuality I mean, not the blunt utilitarian sex most people seem to want these days including women. There's something to be said about the flashing red hot sex of the "old days" when sexual inuendo, wordplay, teasing and passion were all the rage. Not that I lived in the "old days" when this was happening of course.
And last, ain't nuttin' more feminine than a hot girl in a miniskirt and midriff showing top, who has long hair, a smokin' hot body and a navel piercing.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Am I the odd duck?
Posted:
8/3/2006 8:40:00 PM
I do it with a big assed smile on my face and I'm not being paid anything but the knowledge that it turns my man on...
OMG! A person who thinks of someone other than "me me me!" in the bedroom!
Bless you girl, bless you.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Very long hair on a woman is very femine and sexy, but few women have long hair
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8/3/2006 8:25:38 PM
Maybe because our sole purpose in life is to please ourselves, not men?
I think it's important when engaged in a romantic relationship to only please yourself and not tend to your partner's desires whatsoever.
And guys, this is a cue from the women who only wish to please themselves, by all means, get a beer gut and lay around the house in your underwear and fart. After all, our sole purpose in life is to please ourselves, no women.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Casual, meaningless sex
Posted:
8/3/2006 7:50:19 PM
After my sexual encounters I immediately go to confession. And I'm not even catholic. In the future I plan on moving closer to a church so that the trips to confession don't take so long. Maybe they have phone in confessions? I think they should! I could just call up Father Bob and tell him what a terrible thing I just did. He'll tell me to say some prayers. I won't. But i'll feel better.
Bob could even go on speed dial. I'm a freaking genius.
Oh god, that's hilarious!
Ohio_Cowboy
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can we men say no to sex?
Posted:
8/3/2006 6:35:19 PM
Can we men say no to sex?
Sure, just get married. That's the clearest indication that you're tired of having sex.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Am I the odd duck?
Posted:
8/3/2006 6:30:59 PM
How would you like a guy to cum on YOUR face? Huh? Didn't think so.
If that's what a guy wants, then he can saunter over to the corner of Yonge and Bloor and PAY for it.
So naturally of course, you pull away when he's giving you oral sex, just prior to cumming, right, so you won't be cumming on his face, right?
Ohio_Cowboy
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Kissing Debate
Posted:
8/3/2006 6:24:27 PM
I wasn't aware the guys WERE upset. There goes that communication gap again. Sigh.
Most guys don't go into a date looking to become Just A Friend or Just Like A Brother with a girl. If a date doesn't go well, that's fine to say goodnight with a laurel and hardy handshake. If it does go well, and you feel something for each other, then I'd find it rather silly to not kiss, at least a little. No major face suckage or anything, but a light kiss on the lips or something like that to let him know you're into him and had a great time.
Because honestly, if there is no chemistry, what's the point of dating? Why not just go to a social club and mingle with friends instead?
And, the way I see it, a woman who *does* feel something for me, who does feel the chemistry, who is attracted to me and I to her, but who feels that she's to withold even a small kiss (for whatever reason) will be a girl 2 years into the relationship who will be withholding other things (cough cough sex cough cough) as well as a control mechanism.
Just an observation, and certainly not a blanket statement by any means.
Ohio_Cowboy
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Are men and women genetically predisposed to cheat?
Posted:
8/3/2006 5:05:17 PM
We are not creatures of instinct, but instead posess free will. That said, there are biological urges we definitely have (urges are not instinct, by the way). So we make a choice to act on those urges, or we choose to repress them, or satisfy them at another time, or at the present time, or any combination.
Meaning, the urge strikes, and we then choose. We choose based on a wide array of factors, things happening in our life now and from our life's history, then we do or do not.
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