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 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Bumps in the Relationship
Posted: 1/29/2013 9:29:59 AM
Peanut Gallery? Not the best choice of words to describe those you seek advice from.
You are 24, immature and she's very insecure. The question and answer is simple. Do you want to continue dealing with this behavior? Obviously if you're reaching out to all of us Peanuts for advice, you are going to get a wide variety of opinions.
#1 She's developing some strong "controlling" skills at a very young age. She's learned how to control and manipulate you. Do you realise this? The fact that you feel guilty for being a young professional and working for a living, is just not right. You need to sit down with her and explain what happens when you have no money.
#2 Walk away, have no contact to let this unanswered question fester. Give her some distance for 2 weeks and explain why you are doing so. If she "hooks up with someone else in this short time, she was just needy, afraid of being alone and the question gets answered.
#3 She answers your question with the same question, conversely. I would answer her with, Grow Up.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 155 (view)
 
My wife cheated on me,I'm still married to her but now I'm looking
Posted: 1/27/2013 9:08:05 AM
To all who chastise this guy, consider the options. Familial, monetary, emotional and what he's said is most important to him. Did she do wrong? Yes! His wife broke the "Till Death Do Us Part" vow. Is divorce the best answer? Monetarily no. I am a divorced dad and once the courts get involved, the only people to benefit are the lawyers. 18 and 6 are young ages. What will happen to them? College savings and retirement savings could go for daily living expenses. House, and property divided, memories and future family gatherings will be awkward. My wife cheated and I did the right thing, or so I thought for two years while things fell further apart. The trust is gone and can they get that back? All I can say is this,,, talk about it with a family counselor get some real help through clergy, attend all you need to before you decide to divorce. Exhaust all possibilities before you file for a divorce. And in the meantime, plan for the worst. Sock away some cash quietly. See professionals, or read about end game possibilities. In any event, hope for a resolution, but be prepared for the worst. Don’t go blindly into a divorce either. Interview lawyers and ask for their track record. A good lawyer is proud of his or her accomplishments, but keep in mind, they ain’t cheap and this no joke.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 48 (view)
 
In your opinion why do
Posted: 12/31/2012 9:02:50 AM
Stop suporting them by seeing their movies, going to their games. Behind the rich athelete, singer, movie star is someone who promotes them and makes tons of money off of them. Until our values in society change were stuck with it.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 53 (view)
 
Scar Tattoos?
Posted: 10/23/2012 8:36:13 PM
Just don't do it. The pro tattoo crowd will offer many arguments to the contrary, but it's an ironic kind of fad fueled by the desire to express individuaity, when in reality it's just the opposite. Be original, be yourself, the way you were made and be proud of your skin just the way it is. Tatoos are self imposed scars you cannot fully get rid of, ever. I predict in the years to come that there will be a reversal of this fad and many individuals with tatoos will spend their hard earned money, most likely quadrouple the amount they paid to be inked up having them removed.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 21 (view)
 
How to make him like me again?
Posted: 9/13/2012 8:25:19 PM
Juts ask him. Love is something that happens naturally, no one can MAKE anyone love another. Maybe there's issues that can be solved by communicating? Maybe not? You'll not know unless you ask.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Broke up, communication issues, ex girlfriend says to be happier without me?
Posted: 6/3/2012 5:43:31 PM
How about growing up? Realize that she has moved on and you should as well. To what benefit is all this drama and bickering? What possible reason merits the turmoil you suffer by being comingled with her communications? It's time to cut those ties and get on with your life. Realize that time wasted in jealousy and anger is just that, wasted.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Divorced? Would you re-marry?
Posted: 5/16/2012 5:14:11 AM
Nope. Some say it's better to be married for alot of reasons, but the longer I am single, the more I like my freedom. There's plenty of reasons not to remarry and my mind is influenced by the nasty behaviors I experienced from my X. I could be wrong, but it's my opinion.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 50 (view)
 
Going to cinema alone
Posted: 5/10/2012 6:52:17 PM
I have once. I really wanted to see the last Clint Eastwood movie Gran Torina a few years ago. My work schedule wasn't in line with anyone I knew at the time and I just wanted to see the show. It was a good movie and really, nobody in the theater cared, why should I?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Is it true, in your experience, that after the first six months or year the honeymoon is over?
Posted: 5/3/2012 8:42:23 PM
Depends on the communication between the partners and their expectations prior to. I've only been married once and was young, too young to know what's what or how to be in a relationship. If you respect one another as individuals first and realize that it's a colaboration of values, then it could be longer. But when you make too many personal sacrifices to keep the peace and one spouse grows to expect changes, or you to change to their image, that's when the honeymoon is over. Arguments happen, tempers flare, disrespectful words come out. It happens.
Overall I think a loooong courtship is necessary. Cohabitate to test the waters and see if you can handle the quirkiness of the other first. Planning a marriage takes work and lots of money. Ending a marriage is worse though.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 69 (view)
 
I don't know how to tell her...
Posted: 3/10/2012 6:01:22 AM
The anxiety and stress will continue as long as you procrastinate. So she's not for you. Better you end it now. Her life, behavior and choices confuse you and you're feeling guilty based upon what might happen to her after you break up. So she goes home to mommy and daddy, so what? You are the owner and director of your life, not hers. Realize this, say your peace and move on. Your "What if's" are keeping you down.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Am I being fair to myself?
Posted: 3/10/2012 5:51:24 AM
Sounds like she's not for you. If you want games and a woman you are always unsure of, go ahead and waste your time. Her direct question was meant to make you feel uneasy and obligated regardless. She sounds cold, and insecure.
No loss Jack. Move on.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 9 (view)
 
trust/jealousy?
Posted: 3/6/2012 6:40:20 PM
3 day biker party and she wants to be single that weekend? No worries there. Bra in hand after the late night at the local watering hole? She's a keeper. So, why'd you let her go? Somehow I bet she got you to pay the bulk of the bills of comingling. If I were you, I'd change my bank account numbers and anything else she had access to. Before that, be safe and get a STD test.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 31 (view)
 
I REALLY NEED HELP WITH THIS
Posted: 2/29/2012 8:20:16 PM
What's he doing on POF?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 86 (view)
 
MA'AM
Posted: 2/23/2012 2:43:00 PM
I was raised to say Ma'am and Sir as a measure of respect. Regardless of what some women believe, I feel it's a proper way to address a lady. I mean no disrespect and am not being condescending or rude. Tell us how you'd like to be addressed, please
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 26 (view)
 
MY girlfrend picks my 4 year old over me all the time.
Posted: 2/16/2012 12:51:16 AM
Your girlfriend does not see you as equal and does not respect you. She's unhappy about something in her life or isn't really in love with you. You are to her, extra money to pay the rent, a maid to do the cleaning and the chores. If the two of you comingle your income and she is in control of the check book, she feels superior to you, like she's in control. She reminds me of my X-wife with the behavior you described. She feels guilty for not being around HER daughter enough and has made you the surrrogate in her stead. As time passes she'll get worse and you will become less of who you really are. Insist on sitting down with her and explain your feelings. If she dismisses or diminishes your your input, make a strong point that she see the relationship as it is in your eyes.
 Thatguy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 39 (view)
 
How do you tell someone no?
Posted: 2/12/2012 11:36:43 AM
How bout NO... NO works. Then again there's NO. And then there's NO. Not gonna do it. Stand up Dude. Just be like Nancy Reagan and say NO.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Am I Overreacting?
Posted: 2/12/2012 5:50:34 AM
I would have left her at the bowling alley. She's all of 21 Dude. No substance, no experience in life and obviously not much going for her in the IQ department.
She sees you as a door mat and so does Sh-tbrick. If you can't see this and need to write a post to ask others the obvious, well, I feel sory for you.
 Thatguy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Crossing the line? Friends want to see your dates profile?
Posted: 2/10/2012 4:36:09 AM
Yes. It is crossing the line. Have and do these women friends of yours dictate your social life so much that their influence alters your decisions? This sounds like a bunch of somphmore high school girls paging through a year book. Say Mr. Wonderful is actually wonderful and through the grapevine he hears of your meddling friends and their opinions. Grow up and realize that it's your opinion only, not theirs that matters. Turn the tables and say he's doing the same with your profile? His buddies are oogling over you and making comments about your face, your personality and saying things like, "Dude, really?"
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 49 (view)
 
Told me to get rid of my pets
Posted: 2/5/2012 3:43:26 PM
Too may people put too much emphesis on pets. On the one hand, your animals bring you joy, you feel good because you may have rescued them. However, cats and not people. I know women who are crazy cat ladies, perhaps that's why their still single? Who wants to constantly have cat hair on their clothes, cat paw prints on their vehicles and on the countertops? Get your priorities straight and realize animals are not people.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Married to His Harley
Posted: 2/2/2012 1:33:45 PM
It's a middle aged acceptable expensive "look at me" toy. I've known guys who were about to loose their house and wouldn't think of selling their Harley. I've owned motorcycles for years and it's just a leisure time thing, nothing more. The Harley craze is a fantasy and he was imature.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Just got dumped, nicely though. Looking for advice
Posted: 2/2/2012 1:28:19 PM
Respectfully I think you should move on when you are ready. If she changes her mind down the line, worry about it then. She obviously had some belief about you she couldn't muster into a long term thing regardless of what she says. Next time, take it slower. Play the mysterious card, be aloof when talking about what she and you want. Women can't stand a man being partially forthright about his ideas towards relationships and will strongly pursue until she gets an acceptable answer. Then there's the 5 to 6 weeks post her break up to think about. Dude you were her rebound, sorry. The "too soon" after guy she threw all of her lonliness into. You gave her the companionship she needed through the holidays, terrible time for a woman to admit to herself that she's alone.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 7 (view)
 
An open relationship…
Posted: 1/31/2012 1:35:42 PM
No... it just won't. Sorry but the way people are and respectfully, there is no respect for the relationship. It's a selfish one at that too. Soon as comingling of funds takes place, the stress of everyday confrontation with the significant others F'ing around, it will end badly. Find a wholesome woman. Leave the relationship and be happy. If it didn't bother you you wouldn't be here asking total strangers what you should do.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 17 (view)
 
No mail
Posted: 1/30/2012 1:59:28 PM
A little less make up might help. Guys want a natural looking girl.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Am I just blind or infatuated!
Posted: 1/29/2012 5:44:56 AM
Consider yourself and your choices when you shop for men. In your brain have you you a programmed ideal of what a man should be? Do you find yourself repeating the same cycle? Dating the same type of guy? It's your choice who you choose and seem to be attracted to. The sort of man you described is a reflection of your desire believe it or not. Instead of complaining here, change you first. Grow a little, open your eyes a bit and look beyond the sterotypical "male" you're programmed to find attractive. Infatuated? Wrong word. Blind? Maybe.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Can someone really be in love when...
Posted: 1/28/2012 2:50:59 PM
You seem to be preoccupied with what other people do. In another thread you posted the moral question of a friend sleeping with a married person. If this bothers you, change your group of peers. If you are seeking acceptance for your behavior, deal with your issues as best you see fit.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 84 (view)
 
Am I a cougar?
Posted: 1/27/2012 2:46:03 PM
NO. Go ahead and date who you want. This whole cougar thing is all blown up. If he makes you happy, who cares?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 7 (view)
 
need to know asap
Posted: 1/26/2012 4:10:50 PM
You said too much already? TMI Perhaps? OK straight up. Blab it all up front in 30 seconds or less. Then stand there motionless without blinking staring really har directly into her eyes. That'll seal the deal every time. Wemon luv that.

Sorry,, it's a little much to stomach, don't you think?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 25 (view)
 
living together was great but after the wedding it was over
Posted: 1/26/2012 1:04:36 PM
Recently I heard a commedian say, "If 50 percent of all marriages fail why do it?" From another perspective, "If you were checking sky-diving off your bucket list and the guy flying you up to 3000 feet said - Hey, there's a 50 percent chance your shoot won't open, would you jump?' I don't think so, those odds are pretty risky. But everyday knowing the odds couple after couple goes and ties the knot. If you split up you may not loose your life, only 1/2 your stuff including your house, car, life savings, retirement and so on. Maybe they're doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, or the right thing for the wrong reasons? Who knows?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 22 (view)
 
ended engagement.
Posted: 1/22/2012 5:10:25 AM
YES. The ring should be returned. If she's bitter, you will have a problem. Then again, consider yourself lucky it ended now instead of after an expensive marriage, possibly kids, child support, maintenance payments, lawyers, all the drama, anger, loss of property and 1/2 your retirement. If the ring is all you lost, you dodged a bullit my friend.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 21 (view)
 
should I stay or should I go?
Posted: 1/22/2012 2:22:37 AM
He isn't happy with you or your relationship. Pull the rod out of your own azz and spank your spoiled inner child. Sound familiar?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Jason Bourne vs James Bond
Posted: 1/22/2012 2:17:59 AM
Well first off, Bourne could be fighting any one eight different Bonds. Sean Connery in his day he might have given Bourne a run for his money. Rodger Moore, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Bronson were all wussies. George Lazenby, David Niven and Barry Nelson, Bourne could just phone those in. But Daniel Craig? I think he'd kick Bourne's azz.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Is it worth it - Career or him ?
Posted: 1/22/2012 2:02:50 AM
I'd say she should go for the better job. Guys will come and go, but opportunity for advancement in today's economy is slow. The guy "SHE, YOU'RE" worried about that is going through a divorce has a long way to go before he's emotionally stable regardless of what he says. It takes two years for the scars of a divorce to begin to heal. You would his rebound and romances at work always lead to trouble of one form or another. He could rekindle the romance with his wife, then where would you be? He could be the reason his relationship didn't work. Have you heard the wife's side of the story?

I say,,,Take the better job, show them you have the talent and the means to do it better than anyone else. Add that experience to your resume, build up your savings, go for the career...
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Staying positive - realistic? possible?
Posted: 1/21/2012 1:19:38 AM
POF is in the business of marketing people to people. A means to let people display a little bit of who they are. Their "hook" is successful because it plays on the one human emotion evey human wants and needs. In short, they are marketing love and we/you are their product. Technology levels the field and anyone with a computer can now be in the dating pool, so to speak. Marginally filtering the agenda leaves the potential wide open. The game we play here is similar to the line in the Forect Gump movie. "It's like a box of choclates, never know what you're gonna get" Keep that in mind and good luck to you.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Should I take her back?
Posted: 1/19/2012 3:27:03 PM
Damage is done. She's a cheater with low self esteem trying to fulfill something she'll never get from anyone until she finds peace within. YES you are asking for more heartache and more drama by staying with her. She doesn't love you Dude. You are her suggar daddy, someone she has used and played time and time again, and you let her get away with it. There's no respect here and you can't love someone you don't respect, or trust for that matter. Move on...........
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Crush on a co-worker
Posted: 1/17/2012 1:39:54 AM
I did this once, just once. It was great for a few months then we broke up, well, here are some reasons why you shouldn't.
1. It's your place of employment and people especially managers talk. Could limit your potential should this be frowned upon in your company's rules.
2. If it ends, it could become a very negetive situation. She has friends at work and they'll stand up for her and you wouldn't believe the bad connotations that will/could result.
3. There will be no time away from her at all. Home life, work life. Think about it.
4. After you, there could be the next guy she dates at work. Bad blood from a jealous dude you don't need especially at work.
5. Did I mention that people talk? Especially women. You're personal and private life will be exposed to all her friends, their friends, co-workers, everyone.
But hey, it's your decision. Think with the right head.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Boyfriend abroad for 8 months
Posted: 1/5/2012 12:55:47 PM
By any chance is his name Charlie Sheen? Wow, gotta like his honesty. Tell him "hey, upon relieving yourself with two women, you kinda lost me. And as far as I am concerned, well,,, I'm a single unattached woman who can date whomever I choose". Now, should some rekindling upon his return take place, I'd say you are starting over from scratch.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 40 (view)
 
No drink=No chance
Posted: 12/31/2011 4:45:03 AM
I too do not drink. Life's full of decisions and if you don't like the affects of alcohol, so be it. My reasons not to drink medical ones. It's just not smart to be a diabetic and drink. I have noticed that when I am in places, bars, pubs, what have you, the changes in attitudes/behaviors occur by the hour. People who seemingly look normal, change after having a few say and do some pretty dumb things. I think back to the days when I did drink and wonder if I behaved like that. It's your body, your money and your life. If no drink = no chance, then look elsewhere. Think of the money you are saving too. Alcohol is expensive.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 98 (view)
 
is my girlfriend still cheating?
Posted: 12/29/2011 1:31:15 AM
Don't spend your life with someone you do not trust. It's disrespectful that she remains friends and blantly texts him with you right there. WHY would you want the insecurity of staying with someone who cheated on you? Don't get mad or stay madm get away from her. End it, move on and find a real woman,
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Good advice needed for a friend
Posted: 12/24/2011 12:08:26 PM
She walks all over him and he lets her. She doesn't respect him or love him. That's not a loving relationship. I would tell him to see a lawyer, start putting money into an account with a trusted family members name or a trusted friends name. They are just on the account so she cannot get at it, and they're only able deposit money, not withdraw. Secure all his finances solid, Retirement, realestate, whatever and make plans for the seperation and the divorce. She's used to getting her way and has no concern for the relationship or him. I just hope there are no kids involved.
If it's that bad, I wouldn't doubt that she's already been speaking to a lawyer.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Whats to become of North Korea without the Dear Leader
Posted: 12/20/2011 1:46:04 PM
Hopefully his successor will be a better person. Communist behavior and socialism seems to me like the dark ages and repressive. But if you know nothing else, I assume you're either content with it or living in fear over it. Personally, I feel the threat from North Korea is a real one and one can only hope for peace. I too hope for a huge turn around.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Where to save safely?
Posted: 12/16/2011 3:48:24 PM
Miss Welsh,
Opinions from brokers I have. Just because someone has a broker's license doesn't mean they're not out just to make a commission. Oh, and Bubba doesn't live on my street. He's the next block over.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Where to save safely?
Posted: 12/16/2011 1:29:31 PM
I am seeking opinions, possibly advice on where to put money while banks, 401K’s and other saving avenues offer nothing. Risk is risk I know, however I have been reading about penny stocks and considering real-estate. Where does one go for a trustworthy investment?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Plastic Surgery: enhancement or lie???
Posted: 12/11/2011 3:38:58 AM
I agree with you allen. No argument here. Plastic surgery to repair a catashrophe, disfiguring accident or remedy a medical condition is acceptable. To remove a tattoo is acceptable also. How people spend their money is their business. I had an accident when I was 29 and almost lost my left eye. Had plastic surgery and 98%recovered from it. I'm greatful for the skilled hands and experience of that surgeon.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 47 (view)
 
A pof user and my friend
Posted: 12/8/2011 1:02:37 PM
Leave it alone.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 18 (view)
 
How to Rebuild Trust In Men
Posted: 12/7/2011 12:55:03 PM
First off, consider the ramifications and rethink the "TRUST IN MEN" title. Because you have been hurt, doesn't mean all men cannotr be trusted.
And,,, to recover is called growing and it takes time and the relaization that you need to seek better significant others. Refrain from jumping into a relationship too soon and remember there's nothing wrong with courtship. That dating thing where you spend an undetermined amount of time looking at that person. Set parameters of what you consider worthy in a mate and stick by them. Most people know the character of another right away but think otherwise for whatever reason. Trust your gut instincts too. Declare upfront with your significant other that at any time he OR SHE thinks about straying/cheating, that they tell you right then and there. No matter what. And if you suspect foul play, take steps to honestly discuss it with them. Say, "remember when I told you about my feelings about sneaking around? Well, we may be together and I do not own you. However, be honest and forthright with me and respect me. If not, you loose me...
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 49 (view)
 
An ex still wants me, even though she's married.
Posted: 12/5/2011 1:35:40 PM
NO Sir. Do not entertain that idea. 3 horrible months, two years ago and she made a mistake with someone else and then made another mistake by marrying him. In her mind she's unrealistic and has a sophomoric ideal of herself. Don't answer her texts, emails, calls and let it be.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 91 (view)
 
Apparently, I'm psycho
Posted: 12/5/2011 1:31:04 PM
Sounds like trust issues. If you don't trust him not to stray, sleep around, whatever, it most likely means you don't trust yourself. And, having a significant other doesn't mean ownership. The attraction for you initially was something about him you really liked. I predict he'll grow tired of it, grow tired of satisfying your unrealistic need to always have him under your thumb. If you over water a flower, it dies. Get it?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 35 (view)
 
did i do wrong
Posted: 12/1/2011 2:55:58 PM
Ah hem.... IN the company of guests and if you're a young lady scantily clad and insistant on flashing the beaver, it is unbecoming. No sir you did no wrong. Perhaps you struct a nerve by stating your opinion. So be it. She probably needed to hear it. In the future maybe she'll think twice about wearing such a revealing skirts when male company is about. Then again, she's all of 16 and probably a Snooky wanna be.
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 62 (view)
 
When do I tell a man that I'm bisexual?
Posted: 9/26/2011 12:23:37 PM
YES tell him up front. What if he can't handle it? How do you know you won't want the other gender down the road?
 ThatGuy1082
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Can women be players too?
Posted: 9/11/2011 3:50:13 AM
They invented it thousands of years ago. Eve ate the apple, didn't she? Their sweet appearance and gentle nature is a powerful tool of deception.
 
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