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Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 45 (view)

Warning Signs? Posted: 6/14/2009 12:20:15 AM
Did you just say that he's too busy for you but he spends the whole day on POF? He stood you up? Have you asked him about why he's on POF if he's only seeing you for months at a time? Regardless hun, he's not treating you to the expectations that you like. You can pretty much submit that grievance to him "Hey I'm not getting enough attention from you..." and if doens't change his ways you know really what to do. You deserve to have an outstanding time with this person, love, gitters, all the fancy stuff that courtship provides. If the attention is dying off right now , so early in the relatinoship, what are the chances it will be like in a few years (if you manage to stay together?) ? Not pretty at all! The way that normal and healthy relationships work (I say) is that romance escalates, the attachement also escaltes from both parties, eventually to a point where you can't live with another (oh so melodramtic I know!). The phone calls should be more frequent, the visits, the sex.. all should get better not worse!!!!! And above all, after months and months if he dosen't say he loves you, or if you don't feel it going mutually, that's the most important indicator that he is not the one and it's time for you to move on. You deserve something better, and there are plenty of matches out there, don't forget that.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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Seven days after a break up! WHAT THE HELL Posted: 6/14/2009 12:14:00 AM
"The truth is regardless of how u feel,if the other person doesn't feel the same way nothing you say or do is going to change the outcome." I agree, how many of us have given our all to someone to never even see a fraction of that back. If you feel they don't give back to you just as much (as you deserve) you have a right to ask yourself if it's even worth it. I pray you aren't too attached to this person.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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Interest Posted: 6/11/2009 10:43:40 PM
Agreed with above, a lot of women are meeting so many men left center right just based on their pictures alone they show very little interest to write something of substance in their profiles. They are completely void and dumbstricken. And as such it's a pain to message them based on nothing (except for looks) and most often they are too busy warding off other men to even bother responding to you right back. Even if they did, what possibly could they have interesting right back to say. Don't tell me they're actually going to read your profile for once! I totally understand the frustration, it's a daunting task to message women on here. Just take baby steps, a bit every day and perhaps your hook will actually catch one. Got to get some good tasting bait!

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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What would be the most important advice for someone in love? Posted: 6/11/2009 9:31:24 PM
If you're love you're experiencing what the majority of people crave a lifetime for. People wait for decades to find that one person really feel that close to. So enjoy it while you can, and as the others have said may it last for a very long time. :)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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Talking To A Girl Over The Phone Posted: 6/11/2009 9:24:02 PM
I agree, no more than an hour. If conversations can be that much fun that you can talk for an hour, then do so. Deep, long conversations are the best and are a quick way of getting close to someone. I do suggest you give yourself that limit yourself (of an hour) and let her know that you do have to go for this or that. Cause in reality, you do have other things to do for sure. Staying on the phone for too long can make one look kinda desperate, that he's too into the girl... I seriously don't think she'll be offended if you have to go do something after an hour. You can guys can talk to each other more the next night. Who knows.. maybe she'll call you this time? :)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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How big is too big of an age difference? Posted: 6/11/2009 9:19:23 PM
Garnet, I can understand where you're coming from, being a brother to two single sisters that are having the same problem (they are in their early 30s). It seems that men will always gravitate towards the younger women, for their virtues of being able to give children, beauty (unfortunately women age quick), and wanting virility is a basic need men are jsut naturally programmed for. Once a woman passes the 30 marks it becomes much more difficult. All I can is the same thing I would recommend to my sisters, and that is to actually limit yourself by an age bracket. Since you're 32 I'd say be open to anyone from the age of 27 -40, no more. There are plenty of men out there and as limited that may seem to you now if you aren't meeting manyspecial matches, it nevertheless is still the case; they are out there. You just can't give up and settle. You will never know when the right person may come into your life, today, tomorrow, or in a few weeks. Don't set yourself to a future you yourself won't be happy with. Stay true to yourself and don't give up hope. :)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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tell me about it Posted: 6/11/2009 3:13:49 AM
oh and I meant "they DON'T have to be sexual." Damn it here I am advising you to be adept in English and bam here I am making mistakes myself!

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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tell me about it Posted: 6/11/2009 3:12:29 AM
Oh and yes, as the previous poster mentioned. Full and complete sentences with perfect composition, grammar, spelling, and punctuation. It makes it easy for people to read and on top of that tells us that hey, this woman can write, is intelligent, and would indirectly let us know how educated you are. Juvenile and sloppy are not attractive! Do you want someone that is juvenile and sloppy in writing? I think not!! As for your content in your profile, I honestly like it! You're woman completely unfavorable to the whole "dating for fun" thing that people are into and are rather looking for a meaningful, loving, long term relationship. Which is great!! Talk about some things you want from a guy though, what does he have to be like? Read some profiles of some other women/men and perhaps come up with a realistic list for yourself. And finally, rather than to just make a generic profile (like all the other women do), put something interesting in there. Like, what you love doing with your partner.. or what do you think of the state of relationships and love.. or what really gets you excited about in life.... something creative.. Sky's the limit. Some originality will win you more points. Guys will be like "Hey! Not only is this woman sensationally hot, but I like the characteristics she's written about herself and what she's looking for. I think i can relate with her and fit the type of person she wants. And man, does she have some killer opinions/ideas in her head that make me want a piece of her!" Go get em tiger! :)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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tell me about it Posted: 6/11/2009 3:06:24 AM
From a guy to a woman... It's all about the pictures really. You put some attractive photos of yourself up, they will flock to you like flies (they have to be sexual). Maybe a nice dress, with nice makeup, and amazing flowing hair. Ask some guys.. go ahead.. which one of my pictures is the hottest, and put those pictures up. They're start coming in for you to be picky with by the hundreds.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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How am I doing? Posted: 6/11/2009 3:02:10 AM
As a guy to another guy, the third picture you have up (with a pose and half smile) is the only good picture you have up. Get rid of all the rest! :P Try to get one that stands out. Unless you look like some sensationally hot actor from Hollywood most women on here DO NOT browse profiles clicking on men they can date. Most of them have WAY too many messages from men to even come close to wanting to independently browse profiles. And if they do, you can bet they are only clicking on the hottest of the hot pictures. So choose wisely! As for your demographic characteristics... mmm I can't say.. you mentioned the basic stuff.. just try messaging more and more women. It's a daunting task but someone's gotta do all the work!!! Women will say " be patient it will happen to you eventually" (as the man finds her and swoops her off her feet) But it's not the same way around with men.... We men have to get out there and hunt hunt hunt!!! Be a hunter!!!! She's not going to walk onto your doorstep out of the blue!!!

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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up for your appraisal..... Posted: 6/11/2009 2:55:07 AM
My dear POF friend, one thing if I'm ever going to share with the female world about men, is that 99% of the time they are seriously intersted in an attractive woman. Someone that is pretty much like barbie... beautiful silky blonde hair, volumptious/petite body, young, and a sensational sexy dresser. All the other stuff really is secondary. (it's like how women want a man that is tall and with money! - it works both ways). As shallow as it sounds it's all you really need. An attractive woman can have nothing to offer a man in terms of proper companionship but if she's smoking hot they dogs will line up at the door. Likewise, if you're Hugh Hefner, it doesn't matter what personality you have. The point is... errr... and there's not easy way to say it without sounding like a jerk, but you gotta look attractive.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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Hey people just after some thoughts.... Posted: 6/11/2009 2:50:07 AM
I'd say 98% of women aren't going to bother even clicking on a man's picture without his shirt on. The other 2% might (if they're horny)... and in that case way to go.. (err wait.. perhaps that figure should be more like 20%)... but if you want to get serious about this site in finding a good mate just put a shirt on. Perhaps put your nakey picture as ONE of the many classy photos of yourself you have up?

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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Do you ever get replies after sending one liner messages? Posted: 6/11/2009 2:46:44 AM
Most of the time it's men copy and pasting the same generic message to as many women as he can. Think about the most unfavourable match you can think of: ulgy, uneducatd, brutish, ruffian, border line sociopath and delinquent trying to find an easy catch. Sure he's gonna do that! I'm shocked one poster said he spend 30 minutes on a profile! Holy cow that's quite a while. It doesn't take much for me to read woman's profile and attempt to connect with her on some common levels.. but my concern would be to you that you may be wasting your time with some women. It isn't even about what you write , more importantly what you look like/race/etc. Awful shame for anyone to take THAT much amount of time on a single woman as a first message. Perhaps if you knew on a reply from the first message that she may be interested, then for sure go for it - but I"m just pure flabbergasted !

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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read me!!! Posted: 6/10/2009 1:46:01 AM
I tend to write a lot to people in general but I'll try to keep this post short for your benifit and also for the fact that people just generally don't like reading essays. I came across your profile randomly (rather than on these feedback forums) and decided not to message you for a couple of reasons. Which I'll tell you in a bit...but upon seeing the forum post in your profile I thought I write a few cents worth of information in here. First and foremost, as a poster stated: Constructive criticism: What are you looking for in a guy? A gear-head? Jar-head? MEAT-HEAD? Artsy fartsy? I'm sure you'll know what you're looking for when you find it. " It's really good to try to detail exactly what type of person you are looking for. Does Height matter? Does Race Matter? What are some 100% required characteristics you're looking for in a man. As just like the hundreds of other women on this site you're probably getting messages left/center/right... so it's really your choice (as a highly eligible woman) to be as shallow in your approach to men or general (making a lot of room for the unknown). For example you may find your perfect match to be 5'10 but you can choose to ignore anyone less than 6'..... so it's important to mention that. Those 'absolutes" no matter how shallow or open minded, will let men discern whether or not this person is worth even writing to (it does take a lot out of us to write essays to people ya know only to here a mere - you're not tall enough, etc.) So be blunt with us as much as possible. Second, I"m not the one personally to care about pictures. If a woman decides to show some of her assets, risque side, or anything at all sexual it just says that she's got a fun/kinky side. It doesn't mean she's worthless or no good as a person. I believe in less judgements when it comes to that. So don't worry about the picture you pick up (as long as you look attractive in them though.. which I"m sure you don't have a problem with). And third, after reading some posts you menionted you're not intersted in someone romantically? In that case what in the world are you really doing here? Looking for time pass? Just for fun? Any plans for love/marriage/ etc? How do you expect a man to be charming to you when you're not planning to be charming right back. It's a two way street you know? Anyways I may be totally mistaken about what you've written, but it helps if you're straightforward and consistent with what you're exactly looking for. And definitely change "looking for fun" to something honest... like...' just looking to see what's out there and seeing where it goes.' As for sentence structure and punctuation, yes that's a plus, shows your level of English comprehension, but it isn't an end all determining factor on who you are. No worries there.. relax.. :P We're not that evil. I definitely like your last sentence where you say you’re awesome.. makes me think.. mm how she is awesome exactly? Is she the super sweet, loving, caring, understanding, mature, and fun type that would describe the word awesome ? To each person it would means a different thing I’m sure, but it definitely made me think there! Maybe she could be the one! So for that good job! Nice selling skill there. And on top of that your idea of a first date is romantic and sweet too. Traditional, but yet effective.. since that’s what most men are looking for. I personally really don’t like the common things woman tend to feel they need to write as a requirement for a male. Most of it is really redundant, for example.. must have a job or a career… (what man doesn’t want a job or a career?) - that just assumes that all men are lazy creatures that bum off of others. A man that has ambition (what man doesn’t have ambition? You gotta have ambition if you wanna get somewhere!) And as for a healthy body type, fine that’s fair of you to ask that but it doesn’t have to follow with an insult (again you’re assuming most men are lazy that don’t work or have a job sitting on a couch watching a game with chips). Really there’s no need for insults here. How about looking for someone that has a healthy body/attractive/and fit? That should do the trick. Anyways I didn’t feel the compulsion to write you as your profile seemed pretty generic like the others…. And as a person that has to take the arduous task of messaging you never really know whether the person on the other end would even care to respond or not. But I do see you’re active on the forums so that gives me some fun to read and learn more about you more. Good luck on your search stranger, remember to judge less and get to know people more slowly. In the words of a friend that's on here "The hardest part about this site is not knowing that the next person you meet could be much better than the person you're currently intersted in. Which leads you to ignore a lot of people simply because now you're looking for the best of the best." It's usually those "not the best" guys that most women end up being with and being happy with.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 54 (view)

Strip clubs and relationships Posted: 3/11/2009 4:47:55 PM
I can probably understand why the OP wrote this forum, asked the question. I'm happy to hear that normal women like her exist! You know, the ones that understand the rules of a normal, healthy, monogomous relationship. I don't think it's okay for any man/woman to be going out to such places staring at other women/men. Likewise outside such strip clubs as well, if you are in a relationship you shouldn't be oogling other men or women other. Sure it happens, you can't help it sometimes at work or someplace, but to go out of the way to stare/drool at someone? no! Not even in magazines or on the tele. I know some guys that would get the entire series collection of a woman (movies and all), and when his woman found out.. uh oh. This whole culture of it "being okay" to sleep around while yo'ure in a relationship, to swing, to hit orgies, to have sex with animals (???) whatever this crap is.. I've never agreed with it. And I think most NORMAL people out there would agree that all that kind of stuff is wrong, don't let any joe schmoe say otherwise. These people lack moral integrity and it will only show in their relationship with you.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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prime minister Dion set to take power Posted: 12/1/2008 11:09:01 PM
Seriously have very little regard as to whether or not the new government is going to make a severe difference in the way things are run. The rich will remain rich in the country with the inequality of wealth being staggering, we're still using fossil fuels and making no drive to push for a more responsible means to consume, still heavily dependent on oil as the backbone of our economy, and we have a lack of Canadian businesses dominating our market front, heck we are still dependent on the U.S. and Japanese car industries! Not to mention there's always going to be a deficit in the budget thanks to companies not providing enough revenue/NAFTA/free trade etc, and no move is going to be done on the Human Development Index to push for a higher quality of life than some other countries around the world = Norway for example/ check out their dramatically different social and economic system. All it is are piece meal appeasements to keep the big corporate U.S. machine running.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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World of Warcraft Posted: 12/1/2008 11:04:47 PM
OMG a Wow Forum! Awesome! Well looking at another addict here, though I always moderate myself as much as possible. Just kinda fell right into it, along with the popularity on the server (Medivh) and eventually just kinda falling into the Guild Master status. It's all good. :)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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ETHNIC ATTRACTION... Posted: 11/24/2008 8:18:03 PM
Living in a predominantly white town in Canada you end up realizing a lot of things about people in general when it comes to racism and preferences. People choose to prefer a certain type of color or ethnicity to the most part because it's a preference to them, a simple attraction to the basic traits that makes us all who we are. I don't think it's abnormal whatsoever, as long as they are somewhat open minded to the fact that the person who doesn't match their preference (which in this case is 6ft tall, Caucasion Brad, Jay, Joe, Chris, Steve, Mike, and Alex ) may possibly even have the same character traits. Not all individuals retain stereotypical traits to them, not everyone loves for example rap, hockey, indian food, tacos, or anything else culture specific. Some of us have been raised up in the same upbringing as you, went to Chapel, enjoyed the same music as children, and had fun with each other and with one another's friends since childhood. The problem is when people look at your skin color and believe they know everything about you, your general disposition, what your accent is like, and how you'd treat them. It's a cheap way to judge a person (by the cover). And that's what's wrong with the majority of people today.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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So what if you have two kids? What is a man to do? Posted: 7/7/2008 7:39:17 PM
Thanks everyone for your responses. It has been over a month since I posted the forum so I thought update you all. Over the weeks the relationship drained from an intimate level to more of a friend one. We rarely talk to each other on the phone, or online, let alone see each other for weeks on end. When we do see each other in person, its in the day time, at a coffee place, typically for less than an hour, coupled with very friendly talk. There's a complete lack of passion, desire, interest, lust, hope .. you name it from her part. As for me I'm tired of trying to jumpstart the car.. Pretty much had it with trying to push her into anything more than what she wants it to be. You can't push anyone to want something with you really at the end of the day. The less she gives into it, the less I want to give into it either. Go ahead call me selfish, but I believe it takes TWO people to make a relationship work. If she has emotional baggage, insecurities, lack of enthusiasm, fears, or whatever they may be... fine accepted they are there. But for whatever reason there's simply not enough coming from her end to keep me interested. This really has turned into a dull match. Perhaps the friendship may sparkle up later on over the months? Who knows? But I'm defintely not keen on expecting it. Time for me to take a break from dating for a while.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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So what if you have two kids? What is a man to do? Posted: 6/10/2008 3:56:19 PM
Oh and I did give her the ultimatum about the friend issue. That if she persisted as she was to introduce me to her friend despite me saying “no” and “NO” with capital letters, that I’d take it as a lack of desire from her part and never speak to her again. That we wouldn’t remain friends after that. That definitely made her stop. So at least now that head game is resolved all I have to do is wait and see if she throws another “excuse” or “bomb” on the table… and if she does… it pretty much sums up what most of you have been trying to tell me. I’ll keep you all posted… :: groan::

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 38 (view)

So what if you have two kids? What is a man to do? Posted: 6/10/2008 3:49:56 PM
MM I dont' know how to assimilate so many of your responses. Although what some of you have to say makes a lot of rational sense, about her going through a trust, abandonment, it's too good to be to true syndrome - perhaps she is trying to test me out by throwing in the "friend" option.. I still don't like the head game I'm having to go through. You'd think people at our age have had enough of the games.... She's 33 and I'm 28, as someone as asked before... about the lack of physical intimacy she says: "You should take it as a good thing, I told you that I"m not a girl who gets herself close. Last time I was intimiate I got hurt and I am not taking any chances and neither should you." So under that way of thinking I can understand why she's being this way. She's been hurt quite badly before and says she couldn't handle another heartbreak. And she certainly is scared of the idea of having a third child (with me) sometime in the future and of course seeing me leave after having to take care of all three young ones. We've spoken about these serious issues already into five weeks of dating because quite frankly, both of us are quite serious about the dating scene. We brough tout all the big cards on the table first so there's no looming disastor in the horizon. Any person who gets involved with a partner that has a family should be discussing it all prior to even getting involved in my opinion. Anyways thank you all for your input, it's good to know that you can speak to people and gather opinions on here rather than to rumerate completely on your own. Thanks for the ear.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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So what if you have two kids? What is a man to do? Posted: 6/8/2008 8:17:32 PM
Thank you indigoeyes, your post is exactly what I was looking for. Reaffirmation if it may be, but you've described the situation right to the dot. Her being insecure about the future, being hurt from stanzos in the past (her italian word to describe them), fear of losing her partner because he may want to be with a woman without kids in the future, and her generally trying to push me away when things couldn't be better! Thank you so for much for your post! And no she doesn't refer to her kids as baggage (she knows men view it as that though), and I have gotten upset over how she was today as any reasonable person would :)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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So what if you have two kids? What is a man to do? Posted: 6/8/2008 6:14:25 PM
She knows I'm the relationship type, to want to settle down with someone in the next few years - get married - have kids, etc. Like what normal nice guys do at my age. I would figure five weeks is enough time to be seeing someone to know if there is potential for the future, for things developing to a deeper level. She has discovered that she says , and sees us getting closer and closer. Again that's what she says... dont know whether to take what she says as the honest truth of if she's speaking some sort of a "woman code" that means something totally opposite. You'd expect peopel to be honest and straightfoward these days.. I know I certainly do. Ihope what she says is exactly what she means ...cause otherwise that's going to leave me really confused. You'd think a person at our age would stop with the metamessages already.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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So what if you have two kids? What is a man to do? Posted: 6/8/2008 5:48:26 PM
I have a situation where I'm seeing someone that has two kids . She's a wonderful woman and after 5 weeks of dating it appears she's now pushing me away. SAying that she couldnt' do this to a man that has no kids of his own. She wouldn't want to rob me of the opportunity of being with someoen with no kids (no baggage) and to enjoy a fresh new life together. Being with her would also mean no child of our very own for a couple of years and she isn't ready to have one right away. Even though I'm fine with that, not having my own child with her for a while, I'm having a hard time to convince her that she is not robbing me of anything and this is what I want. That I actually want her despite her having two kids already. She's trying to hook me up with one of her friends now, and that has me totally ticked. And it's not that she isnt' into me, that we aren't a good match.. we are actually.. compliment one another quite nicely - so I'm having a hard time understanding why she's doing it all. She's even withholding getting more intimate as a fear that she'll just get used and thrown away like some of the nasty women before her have done. What in the world am I to do or say to let make her know that I'm not one of those men and that I'd be more than happy to be with her? Any advice

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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Are you successful in speaking cleanly/avoiding bad language? Posted: 3/30/2008 4:20:23 PM
Pssht, I agree ppl with limited vocabulary or a poor self esteen usually use profanity to make themselves feel powerful/in control. It's a macho thing. It really doesn't prove anything but the fact that they're barbarbic, uncivlized, and need to learn to watch their tongues. Expressions of frustrations don't necessarily = profanity. I say shit all the time though :P

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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Am I over reacting Posted: 3/27/2008 5:17:42 PM
Hey man, what on earth are you doing? For years you haven't met her and sealed the deal? Heck I wouldn't waste my time if I haven't met her in like three weeks after talking to her! There are so many fish in the sea, some of them will hook up with you in a matter of weeks, others a month or two .. but to wait for years to get the "okay" from someone is just plain ridiculous. She should be crazy enough about you to want to at least try dating you for a while If she isn't, you're wasting your breath, energy, and time. Save all of that for someone that actually gives a shit. More self estem here plz.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

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MISSISSAUGA Spring Fling bash at BUTT RHETTLERS Saturday March 29th 7Pm to 2 am Posted: 3/24/2008 3:12:18 PM
I'm interested in coming :) Would be my first POF party! I could share some fun stories of the people I met on here :D

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 27 (view)

Married women and affairs Posted: 2/25/2008 2:33:06 PM
Coming from a background where ALL women are unemployed homemakes and husbands are complete breadwinners, I implore the fact that women here as well can get off their feet and take control of their lives (through education and a career ofcourse). Modern day nuclear famillies are dual-income earning families leaving little reason to continue a very unhappy and unloving relationship. The whole dependence issue is out of the equation. But I do agree with one of the posts regarding "committment" in that it's taken extremely lightly these days. Just as women are taught at an early age not to care about the men they sleep with in the formative teenage years of their life (dump him when you go to college and try several )() sizes), married men and women aren't exactly pressured to stay in relationships either. Considering the sexualization of our society (I speak out our society as if it's actualy mine too, even if I may not be white!) you've also got the pressure of twosomes, orgies, and all the other stuff that we taught that is supposed to be normal and healthy for us. It's fantasy fuel that has been injected in our brains that we must have sometime in our life in order to feel alive or good about life. IF you never try it how do you know it's not good for you? Well that answer is simple, you don't need to try cocaine or heroine to know that it just isn't for you.. your moral boundaries keep you in check to what you deem acceptable behavior. And that's where the lines get drawn with people on here and in the real world. Some of you have no problem with cheating, swinging, or the fact that your daughters are now working as strippers and sucking off random men every night.. but some of us actually are about that stuff and rather not see that happen just as we may not be so excited about guns and corporate governments ruling our lives without any of our consent. I agree with one of the posters regarding the "cheating is cool" opposiition, we as humans are raised up to take control of our animal urges and to become civilized. It's what distinguishes us from the animal kind and from one another! People that are educated usually have higher moral standards for themselves in my opinion than those babboons that swear pathologically and impore the virtues of the life of dirt. They are the ones that find nothing taboo nor do they have any sense of courtesy, etiquette, or "class" in my opinion. As for the question about men leaving loveless marriages? Well I can try to relate it to what men would do ( at least what I would do) if I was in a situation of being unhappy. I could do either one of two things: A) dump the girl and the relationship.. causing her pain, misery, anger, and eventually forcing her to question herself and her own integrity as a woman: am I not beautiful enough, good enough, loving enough, do I not try hard ... all psychological ailments that can take a while to recover from (if ever). And let's not forget bad karma! If there is anything one should never do in one life I believe is to break another person's heart.... the pain and tears you cause them on an emotional level is enough for whatever diety to "damn you" in the same or worse way. So yes potentially dumping someone can really turn out to be a disastor... or B) you could sabotage your own relationship, not give into the relationship as a normal, loving, healthy man would give. Normal and happy relationships consist of joy and fun in all arenas.. emotional, physical, and the material. So you start showing little emotional regard, little physical attention (sex and what not), and of course little material gifts. You don't buy her roses on valentines day, you don't take her out when she's got a promotion, and you don't do a whole lot of other things that otehrwise excellent husbands/boyfriends would do. The result? She eventually realizing that you are not a good boyfriend and don't deserve to be with a woman that does so much for him. Eventually .. slowly, but surely she realizes her self worth and dumps YOU.. which is exactly what you wanted. And of course you could always appeal to the whole "I don't feel enough spark with you" argument to not really turn things ugly. Try to throw in a vague and general statement sort of like how women throw in the "I don't have butterflies around you anymore" statement to end it. The result is you dont break a heart and ofcourse in it's place you take an ego beating (you're not this and that ,etc), but we all know us men can recover that easily. We know for a fact that we can love someone to death if we really wanted to.. given we were that into her. Personally I've had to do that once or twice but of course earlier the better before feelings get hurt. As for cheating in general, there is a reason why "adultery" is considered a sin people! It's just cowardice and hurtful for someone to do that to someone that was so into you one in your life. Do you not remember your marriage pictures and good times?

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 93 (view)

Why do chicks think it's not a big deal? Posted: 2/25/2008 2:12:38 PM
Well I don't know about anyone else in how they feel about your works of prose, but I find the fact that you're into social psychology to be extremely exciting! (let alone attractive). Alway fun to hear what an educated mind in the realm of people has to say on a subject, especially from someone that can write so well and provide such intersting insights. :D Love the fact that you're here! And as per note about sizing up partners as "the best value" i can totally see that point of view, no matter how business-like it may sound. Yes we all size up a person in terms of what we consider to be the "typical package," whether that person is good looking enough, smart enough, fun enough, kind enough, etc. , but quite frankly it sounds extremely shallow the way you talk about it. It's like going to a pet store to pick out a cat or dog and you get one that is handicapped or injured. Sure the feeble creature wont' provide you with enough pleasure as a healthy cat or dog would, the ability to run around, or to have the energy to entertain you ... but you choose it anyway out of heart. And you hold on to it cause it has quite the significant subjective meaning to you as a person. Likewise I prefer to see people in the same light. They may be a little too this or a little too that, but come on if you really put your effort into it, they are still lovable creatures no matter the imperfections. A person doesn't need to be outright perfect to be rewarded with a happy, loving relationship. But it seems to me here that most people on here what nothing less than everything. People have so much to offer when you really give them a chance.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 87 (view)

Why do chicks think it's not a big deal? Posted: 2/24/2008 10:14:26 PM
Nicely said Dnguyen! I call it the "estrangement" phenomenon. Where a person is never really satisified with anything they ever have. They withhold themselves from being fully happy or satisfied until they find that something/ attain that goal they've been yearning for. And when they finally do attain it, it's never enough! Another goal just takes it's place for the person to be estranged and unhappy about until he or she reaches it. And then so on and so forth in a neverending cycle.... The same scenario looking for a potential partner! Sure he or she could be all that, but if he/she lacks that one quality that I've always adored and wanted - out the door! People will throw one another away just becuase they fail to feel that Yitzy/butterflies they have dreamed upon. I know women that have even gotten to the point of getting married, having several kids, and then one day, out of the blue.. finding their lives and husbands boring.. Throwing themselves back on the meat market, sleeping around with men totally opposite to their husband, and enjoying a new flavor to life. Others on the other hand (I have my own parents to relate to), stick together truley because they believe a couple should stay togehter through better "or through worse!" (Just like the marriage phrase people!). Meaning no matter how dull, dry, boring, or monotous the life may become, they stick in their with hopes, aspirations, and to give their relationship the attention it finally needs to get jumpstarted again. Whey else would they have a such a field such as family and couples therapy? It's meant for those that want to "committ" to a relationship and make it better.. even though at the moment they aren't very happy. Because they have grown attached to their imperfect loved on and would stick things out for them than to jump the boat and catch the next big fish. Oh wait.. excuse me folks! Getting carried away! :: slap:: wake up and welcome to real North American Life! People aren't going to be like my lovely ole parents! Divorce is common and people break up and hook up all the time. I know more than your fair share of single and divorce parents that curse at the thought of marriage simply because it turns out to be more of a disastor then what they anticipate. Personally for me, after being with 11 girls, been and slept with three girls on here, I'm on my way to be just like one of em! xD Enjoy them while you can fellas! But always be "game" ready so you can snag the next one when they finally walk out the door!

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 85 (view)

Why do chicks think it's not a big deal? Posted: 2/24/2008 9:52:15 PM
Oh and of course another thing! The whole Yitzy /butterflies in your stomach thing that you want to feel and that society says you should feel is all programmed into your own psych as a woman. It's in your very nature as a woman to be attracted to qualities that in all honesty men find to be bizarre. You like it when we yell at you and put you in your place, when men dominant one another/intimidate, when someone shows off his power in front of you in thought and in pen, when you're around someone that is tall and brawny enough to make you feel like a little baby girl (cause you were all daddy's little baby girl's once). And for that, as much as I can understand where you're coming from, at the same time I have to say I pity that. Sure I wouldn't want to date a 200 lb woman and yes for that you can call me superficial if you like, but that's given if you keep yourself fit and expect to be with someone the same body size at least. You deserve to be with someone on par with you ! But not to devalue a person based on the size of their wallet, accomplishments (or lack thereof), and if he can tickle that little teany tiny shallow brain of yours or make you giggle is really cutting it to the side of being really shallow. Consider men for example: We don't care about your money, your ability to make us laugh, your financial dependence, or heck if you don't like sports nor do you like venturing out of the hosue! We'd love you still the same cause we're looking for "companions" and "lovers" that will treat us right and our kids we have with you. All those jumping jacks and displays of wit and entertainment that boils those female juices of yours are usually only temporary anyways. And we all know when the "love" dies in a relationship you'd quickly check your breast firmness, hit the gym to get back into shape, pack your bags and head out back to the dating arena (leaving everything youv'e built behind) to snag the next hot monster you could catch. Thank God eventually women wear out physically to the point where you're no longer available, otherwise imagine the headache men would have to maintain to keep you in the theirs!

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 84 (view)

Why do chicks think it's not a big deal? Posted: 2/24/2008 9:40:24 PM
"I read a really interesting book about this once that explains why you should absolutely date within your "league." Happy relationships result when both people bring equal amount of "value" to the table. Now of course value is subjective to a certain extent, but we're talking about, for instance, an extremely average guy and whether or not he should approach or expect positive results from a woman who brings a LOT of value to the table. Guy is average looks, average intelligence, average job, average clothes, average sense of humor, average money. Woman is over the top hot-hot-hot-- perfect or near perfect face, body, clothes, etc. (These are things men value, so the woman probably doesn't even have to bring other things of value to the table, like intelligence, creativity, interesting career or money, but hey, if she also happens to have high value in these areas, then she is even that much more out of the average guy's league.)" Let's pick at that statement shall we. Why does it seem like the woman desires such superifical qualities? I mean think about people... You're referring to the average guy's "looks, job, clothing, sense of humor, and money" --> all materailistic qualities. And then of course men looking for just as much superficiallity as the woman -- > looks, perfedct body, etc. Not all suprising if you ask me.. IF women are going to be materialistic and superficial then men are going to be the same way in their own capacities. But hey I've got a better idea! Why not just look at the person's personality instead? that fact that he's a wonderful person, has a great heart, and is a person that treats you well! We all know that you can stimulate yourself intellectually ( you don't need a man nor would I need a woman for that!), you make your own money (so you don't need his!), that ALL men have a sense of humor (hard to say for women right..tssk tssk), and judging someone based on their career or height, or how brawny they are is just plain silly. Does anyone else see how pathetic people are on here or is it just me?

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 60 (view)

Why do chicks think it's not a big deal? Posted: 2/20/2008 7:41:00 PM
Some guys don't really care about being rejected and go ahead in blindly, taking it as a pure numbers game. Personally I would never approach a woman unless there was some sort of a green light, heck even an orange one! It's really not hard for a woman to show interest. The less than obvious methods are to A) be around you and not make direct eye contact B) to catch her looking at you when you pretend you're not noticing and eventually it goes into the more apparent signs C) glancing repeatedly D) shaking the hair E) whispering to her friend about that guy and finally to the overt signs such as F) smiling G) and downright staring! Yup you've got it! Green signals for a man! So the more you give to the other person the easiest it comes for the man to head on in there. So ladies go for it! What do you have to lose? Screw the ego.. women are equal these days in our society right....

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 42 (view)

Maintaining Optimism Posted: 2/18/2008 6:11:08 PM
Dating sites require patience, although I have to admit if you know what type of people you're into (latin, white, asian, etc.) sometimes it makes sense to find a sight exclusively for that. Let's say you're a woman looking for a sugar daddy, or a millionaire.. then you're better off joining such sites such as date a sugar daddy/millionaire.com. There's a genre for everything out there. Soemtimes just by logging in you'll get some random messaging you because they find you and your profile interesting, or perhaps your little exposure in the forums has gotten someone's attention. As long as you get out there and do something about it perhaps their's a chance. IF online connections don't work , you could always venture out in real life and try to take your chances. Join some clubs/events/ anything to get you out there. Remember you're the only one out there that may be having a hard time. Dated three women on this site - can't say i didn't enjoy the activities we did after hours or prior -but nevertheless back to the drawing board. So you see, sometimes getting a date or getting laid isnt' necessarily enough .. there needs to be more there. Good luck

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 14 (view)

When a Woman says she wants blunt and no head games! Posted: 1/11/2008 9:04:25 PM
Wow love the messages on "sex buddies" is cool and there's nothing wrong with that. And... "email is for sex partners, you don't look for life partners on here.' There you have it folks.. when people are okay with these kinds of thoughts running around along with the beliefs that plenty of fish is a meat market for sex whores.. then don't be suprised with all the filth you get messaged by.. or mail for that matter. You've got your own culture and society to blame for all that. I say we all teach our daughters to have sex as early as possible, that sex without strings is a fun little sport, and that the minimum number of sex partners one should have before marriage is at least 10. yay for wonderful moral standards! :D

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 13 (view)

When a Woman says she wants blunt and no head games! Posted: 1/11/2008 8:55:59 PM
It's true, way too many agitated folk on here that just can't control themselves with the anger, frustration, lies, and deceit... and people that are just plain spiteful, hateful, and rude. haha I actually feel like a normal guy in here in comparison :P

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 33 (view)

Why do divorced women have so many dogs? Posted: 1/6/2008 6:48:02 PM
I love getting puppies and kittens when they are like 1 week old and raising them up! It's not the same as getitng an aged cat or dog, they form such a sweet bond with you get them young. I am Legend (the movie) has a great example of it. The only friend Will Smith has is a cute puppy by the name of Samantha. I suggest you watch it = ) I want one!

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 24 (view)

Profile too wordy? Or are my pics not good enough? Posted: 1/5/2008 11:19:52 PM
You have to understand the nature of how POF works a bit I'd say... Most women don't have time to look for men.. they're too busy responding to the dozens of messages they receive on a daily basis. And if it has it that the woman is actually very attractive, well you can just forget it that she even is aware of the "search" button. A few women may message, but it's usually becaues they have a lack of emails coming in or they have limited options.. (Older, kids, overweight, etc... turn offs for most men)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 4 (view)

honest feedback on my profile please..:) Posted: 1/5/2008 11:10:06 PM
Who doesn't want a man or a woman that makes them laugh? I think it's absolutely ridiculous that people feel the need to write that. Do they not laugh on a regular basis? Are men typically as a species not funny? That's just my little rant on the whole humour quality as being paramount. You described yourself and the type of person you're looking for. That's good! Only thing I can imagine would be a potential problem (In not getting responses) would be your weight. No offense. Good luck =)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 4 (view)

Please give your suggestions Posted: 1/5/2008 11:05:41 PM
Take heed of the above suggestions that's for sure. Too many muscle bound pictures.. I would guess that makes a lot of women want to judge you as a playboy or a meat-head and they'll skip it over. If women want to see hot men believe me they can find shirtless men on the net. I'd say just one picture would be fine, nothing too "Look at me I'm all that.. " You can take pictures with a bit of modesty in them. Good luck!

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 2 (view)

Profile Reviews Posted: 1/5/2008 11:03:01 PM
I would give you respect to what I've read in your profile at least. Your perspective on Atheism (that line) and the fact that you understand what cusps are is notable. Pictures are fine too. I don't get many responses either, but if you don't try you never know what you may be missing out on. One week I randomly messaged a woman that wrote back with an essay response, being absolutely stunned over my profile. Two weeks of tele-converstaion started, slept together, did'nt work out as planned... both of us have moved on. Not a bad experience, just not as good as we'd all like it. :) Three words .... " You never know!" So keep trying ;)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 6 (view)

I Love Feedback! Posted: 1/5/2008 10:59:02 PM
Looks good to me. Cant' think of anything to say.. Personally I like reading longer profiles.. but hey that's your choice. Some men aren't into reading so it could be a double edged sword. Good luck :)

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 69 (view)

All the men who email me from POF have no posts in forums? Posted: 1/5/2008 10:31:22 PM
People are too busy to write or go into a forum? I mean how long does it take to write something? 2 minutes? And how long does it take to read something? 10 minutes? not long

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 6 (view)

Married only for the kids Posted: 1/4/2008 12:17:58 PM
Peace_and_Love Many children realize that not only from their own parents but from other people's marital dissolutions. The fault really isn't the parents though, it's our societ here that pushes us to quickly leave a relationship if things aren't 110% perfect. The notion of comittment to someone and to struggle through the "worse " of times is no longer relevant. You can always join a married-with-kids dating site.. (I can think of two already) or dateawife as well, just to help you quickly move on. The culture is there and is only supported more and more by instiutions and organizations to help you un-commit. Welcome to our romantic world.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 4 (view)

Married only for the kids Posted: 1/4/2008 12:14:16 PM
I know people in similar situations. The wife no longer feels attracted to the husband after 8 years and two kids. But the only thing the husband cares about is looking after the children. So both parents are living in the same home simply to take care of the kids, but the wife is actively dating. The man knows what she's up to but has put ground rules on not having any men over or staying over night. So she spends her time outside always with whatever man she's with. It's understandable.. but still sad that a marriage breaks down like that. P.S.: I was one of the men she dated

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 21 (view)

Ok whats the deal here. Posted: 1/3/2008 4:32:40 AM
She's very inconsistent! Normal women that rant and rant about how terrible their guy is for weeks, using you as their shoulder, don't suddently turn 180 degrees and walk right back where they came from. No sir, real women make a decision when they say "He is so done" and stick to it. So I would have to say she's been using you and leading you on. I've been in such situations before and my advice as a guy to another guy, come on man.. don't waste your time ;). You wanna know what will really piss her off? While she's ranting and raving you are, at the same time, talking to another chick. Fast foward a week and just let her know casually that you're seeing someone and she is so great! (which hopefully she is). Two can play at those games, and of course it'll wake her up that you're not exactly going to be waiting for her insecure and inconsistent ass. Why waste time with anyone that doesn't see your greatness anyways? You deserve to be treated as number 1! Once again another victim is born out of the redundant lifestyle of not really meeting any other potential prospects to think better. No offense.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 67 (view)

Another year has come and gone... NOW are you desperate? Posted: 1/3/2008 4:25:50 AM
"I walk around with a hard-on and if that doesn't let people know I am looking, a hat wouldn't help." OMG LOL! Okay but seriously OP, I can understand where you're coming from. It's not easy to meet people in real life sometimes. Unless the person is looking at you and smiling (and open invitation for a hello!) striking a converastion can be quite daunting.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 67 (view)

Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage? Posted: 1/3/2008 4:20:20 AM
I would never bother with a woman knowingly she's into the sex trade like that. Stripper is as far as it goes as long she plans on stopping the activity once we're committed to each other. I don't want no man touching my girl.

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 35 (view)

The Irresponsible God? Posted: 1/2/2008 6:43:23 PM
Without getting into a long drawn out response to the topic of "Human suffering" (even though I have so much I'd like to add to it), i do believe that it is the responsiblity of the governments to look after their peoples. From the municipal (city) level, to province level, to a federal level.. whichever level that is appropiate, it is the FUNCTION andt he very defintion of government to provide the eseential services to their people that they have been put into power to do. This includes education, employment, industry, and a quality of life, etc. (Google Human Development Index please on this topic if you'd like to know more) Clearly the governments of third world countries are unable to do so either due to a lack of competence, corruption, or a lack of resources. But as crazytilting mentioned, it isn't the responsiblity of every man or woman on this planet to look after every other man or woman.. from other countiers or heck even different cities for that matter. If we feel close to them sure we would on a personal level (say you met a lover down in a country and care about her and her family for example), but on a large scale it isn't our repsonsiblity. Giving them money sure would help them out for the short run, but the real helpful changes occur on a large scale... to adopt a child and give him an education so he/she could get a job or better yet providing infrastructure (schools and JOBS) that give them the means to support their future on their own. Again responsiblities of the bigger government and not of one or two individuals. It's a little much to ask people to contribute to such things though. I mean come on, look our own countires and the serious inequalities of wealth between the rich and the very poor. We can't even clean up our own poverty sticken streets let alone clean up someone elses. But our governmetns have at least provided most necessities to the most part. Authority and reponslibity of care comes on an interesting range of micro and macro levels if you really think about it this way. On the micro, home level we have kids looking up to their parents for their well being .. mother and father... and among the two, the father moreso being the head honcho especially in partriachal cultures. Move beyond the family home and then we have employers looking after our fathers and mothers' well being with progress human resource policies.. (healthcare, childcare, benefits, etc).. move a bit further up that and we have municipal governments looking after our employers, provincial governments looking after municipal ones, and then the federal level. Above a national level comes the world level, with the U.N. assuming a "super government" above the rest (but we all know how underhanded it is with the U.S> calling the shots) . So really the person we need to be asking for change and to do something about world suffering is the U.N. Which I do think they do attempt to some degree with their peace keeping and foreign aid efforts. They make a decision which gets sent down the ladder to national governments, to provincial, municiplal. employer,and finally to the home level. But of course there's not real profit in that and countires are already in debt to their own national or world banks - claiming that "debt reduction" should be their sole concern (which is ridiculous if you realize what the American Revolution for Soverignty was all about) - so at the end you get a "no thank you we can't afford to do so" reponse. Bascially it's a variety of reasons why our super government chooses not to bother.. but I'm sure they would listen and act (just like every other person on the planet would) if God actually made his prescence clearly known and commanded us. Sure come down in a huge obselisk of light, move a couple of moutnains, lakes, around an I'm sure you'll get the majoirty of people believing in you ... Consider "I am Legend" a recent movie where a virus kills off five billion people in the world, and the speech Will Smith makes when he meets two survivors. How could God allow such an ostracity to happen? Fine maybe a group of people are fighting and thousands or heck even millions die (30,000,000 deaths in WWII for example), but come on! You're still not going to act or do anything when 5,000,000,000 people in the world die? I can't even count to 100,000 let alone those astronomical numbers. How many people must you watch suffer and die before getting up from your irresponsible throne to do something?

Baber.

Joined: 8/27/2006

Msg: 31 (view)

The Irresponsible God? Posted: 1/2/2008 4:28:33 AM
I always find that writing in religiuos forums to require HUGE volumes of responses concerning a HUGE volume of areas. It's hard to sum up so many different thoughts and ideas in a few sentences let alone respond to other people's questions or accusations. For now I feel it's important to clarify what "irresponsible" means versus "blaming God for all the problems in life." I concur with what one of you said in that all actions and reactions are a result of human will. You cannot attribute your disdain of your life events or the terrible condition the world is in at the moment (whether it be corrupt leaders, undeveloped countries, genocide) to God when humans themselves ares responsbile for what they have done to the world. Consider what happens when a new baby is born in this world in Africa. He or she has been born into a family that is so incredibly poor that they have to wait for days to get water or food, have infections and viruses running rampant all around, (enter more debilitating conditions), and so on and so forth. It is the way the country is run, with it's poor political leaders, poor resources, (underdepenedency as some advocates would see it from first world countries), poor family conditions, that have put the child in the poor state to begin with. As a result of the limited education and opportunity to grow beyond menial means, the parents of these children spend more time away from home resulting in a child deprived of love, discipline, and you name it everything else. This emotional weakness combined with poor financial weakness (and education), while at the same time, adding physical and mental abuse in the equation (heck why not even throw AIDS in there for sport!), would it be not a suprise at all that the person is a little ***ed up? Perhaps their ethical compass is thwarted simply becuase he/she didn't really have one to begin with? Limited exposure to life results in limited thinking capacities and the inability to see things beyond unehalthy self perception. Who knows maybe this kid has been raised up Racist as well seeing how his entire country was thwarted by Mr. white, brown, black, or yellow man? The point being to all this is that MAN himself has caused things to happen to themselves. Whether it's corrupt political leaders, lack of economic resources, lack of jobs, or foreign limits and restraints, the kid has very limited choice for success in this world (at least in the first world senses). To use another example, say you have five kids and you decide to leave them to do what they wish. With the parent/father gone from their lives, these kids grow up together competing in the limited family resources they by themselves. (Go figure a lot of people in the war-striken countries lose their father due to a bomb blast here or there). One of the brothers decides to take control of the situation and eventually forms a dislike for one or two of the other younger brothers. He'll deprive of their fair worth, control, wealth simply becuase he thinks so. Three brothers will fight with one another over a single piece of wealth whether it be a slinky or a car. Now say if God/Father didn't actually leave the picture. To resolve the problem with the two brothers fighting over one piece of wealth whether it be a slinky, a car, personal space to call their own, or heck even OIL, natural resources he makes decision to resolve the conflict. He buys both of them slinkies, cars, gives them their own rooms, and puts a fair share of OIL, natural resources in each room. He uses a utilitarian approach in divying up resources, the most amount he could possibly give to all of his children without discrimination . Would the problems be resolved? At least in terms of conflict they are. But they way humans have chosen to deal with these situations is to make borders of their countires how they see fit, with guns blazing at one another. We have countries such as Canada with a massive amount of land but only 30 Million people versus China or India, with the latter being the size of just one mere U.S> state (Texas) , with a population reaching a billion. Add in Zimbabwe where resources are so scarce that one wonders why the borders are even set out they way they are! How about giving them some piece of harvestable land? Or giving them land connecting to the oceans for some export material (fish, etc)? No! We'll have comletely whacked allocation of res0urces with some countires having all of something and others having none of something. But the point is, HUMANS, not God, have made this allocation system over the years they way they have seen fit. Now if it was up to God would you not want to spread the wealth and the joy of the plaent with all his creation equally? Could he not have given each one of us (as countries or as people) a fair share of the pie so we are not left disadvantaged right from the start as little African boy mentioned previously? Certainly it would save wars,famine, genocide, (add every other ostracity happening in the side of the world) if only there was someone there acting as a father figure (as only GOD can ultimately can) rather than ditching them, abandoning them at their time of desperate need? I'm sure there are around 1,000 people somewhere in the world dying from starvation as we speak, crying, hurt, in serious pain with their prayers not being answered. And when they die miserably (thinking of the Jewish Internment Camps during World War II) people say "it's all God's will and God knows best..." Bull )(@#SHyt! No father would let his children go through these things knowingly without doing something about it. Certainly he has the power but chooses to remain irresponsible. (I've just barely begun writing on the topic here - stil have so much to write in responses to everyone .. and yet already it's an essay!)

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