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 Author Thread: Relative chances
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Relative chances
Posted: 5/26/2008 5:00:13 PM
Rather than believe that there is one right person for me out there, I think there may be thousands of ladies out there who would be "perfect" for me (and I for them).

Still, even if there are, say, one hundred thousand "perfect fits" out there in the world, what are my chances of finding one of them? Not great, but not horrible.

Hope springs eternal. Dating sites like this only serve to increase one's chances, non?
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 143 (view)
 
Does Friends first ever really work?
Posted: 2/19/2008 7:50:30 PM
Without a doubt it can work... if both people are starting off TRULY as friends, whith a deep and abiding "Like" for each other as well as the requisite portions of respect, etc.

What DOESN'T work is the guy PRETENDING to be friends, all the while pining after the girl he can't get close to any other way than faining friendship. Girls are all over that and can spot it a mile away. If you were too much of a sissy to tell her how you really felt, then you deserved what you got.


Treated her better than a friend anyway.


Yeah, you were trying to be her friend alright...
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Thorny Issue
Posted: 2/14/2008 11:23:49 AM
No, you're not entitled to the money back if you told her you wouldn't ask for it back. What transpired afterward matters not at all.

Learn your lesson and move on. Her life will be her payback. No need for you to say one more thing to her.

It's V day. Pick someone new and tell them you're attracted to them.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 93 (view)
 
he'll make an exception for me!
Posted: 12/23/2007 11:55:06 AM
Easy, easy answer to your question.

Yes, admire him for his candid honesty.

Cherish the friendly relationship you have with him.

And in no way, shape, or form do you want to date this man. It'll only end in heartbreak for you. If he's saying these things at the beginning of a potential relationship, where do you think things will go from here?

Brrrrr! The man IS superficial and admits it! Is that what you really want... a guy who deigns to go out with you even though it's against his "better instincts"?

Find your dignity and hightail it outta there!
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 139 (view)
 
distance problems
Posted: 12/21/2007 8:25:57 AM

...does everyone on date sites do this? The multi-date thing?


No, not at all. Some people do, some people don't. I don't 'cause I see no good that can come from it. If you're juggling dates, how can you really put your all into whoever you're with at the time?

Aren't the ones who do the multi-dating thing generally referred to as "players"?
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 138 (view)
 
Sincerity problems
Posted: 12/21/2007 8:22:01 AM

I am just here for forums but occasionally get emails from women.


I have to laugh every time I see this. I know this message is old, but with the THOUSANDS of discussion forums and boards on the internet... devoted to literally every topic under the sun... it strikes me as ten shades of insincere for a man (or woman) in a relationship to state that he's on a dating site "just for the forums".

A man who could very easily block all forms of email from coming to his inbox if he so chose to, but doesn't... and then complains about it in the forums.

Dollars to donuts his S.O. doesn't know about his "innocent" forum forays.

Yes, and I'll take that snake oil you have on that shelf over there...



*Rolling credulity back up from being stretched so far*
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Now you see them, now you don't
Posted: 10/26/2007 4:57:21 PM
There are many fake profiles around these parts. They exist for a variety of reasons:

-Culling email addys for Spam.
-Evil-hearted people just being cruel
-Etc

Don't take it personally when one pops up, looks like a perfect match (maybe even writes back to you), then disappears without a trace.

Has happened more than a few times to myself and other men on here.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 241 (view)
 
Why don't tall men choose to date tall women?
Posted: 10/26/2007 4:04:49 PM
^^^^^^^


...rarely does a TALL man contact me.


Perhaps that's because you've no picture posted and have "just here for the forums" plastered across your profile.

Just a thought.

:-)
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 224 (view)
 
Why don't tall men choose to date tall women?
Posted: 10/26/2007 11:09:29 AM
Tall is rare... harder to find. Simple as that.

At 6'6", I don't care about height, race, or religion. There are much more important things.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Ecuador wants military base in Miami
Posted: 10/26/2007 8:19:28 AM

Not many people in the world see the US as an ally anymore...


Until your front doorstep is threatened.

*Shaking head*
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Ecuador wants military base in Miami
Posted: 10/26/2007 8:16:59 AM

Perhaps they don't see you as an Ally?


We are and have been. Check your history and area politics before you speak maybe?


And by your reasoning, think of all the jobs and money their base would bring to Florida.


By my reasoning, which you haven't bothered to logic out in your rush to get a one-liner in, the property values in Miami are such that hotels and tourism would (do) bring in much more money than a third world army base ever could.

The Pres of Equador was simply trying to make a point, but one that was fallacious since we don't need (and haven't asked for) any help in the Miami area... whereas THEY need, and have asked for, help in the past... hence our presence there.

Putting an entire base on foreign soil isn't a small thing. It costs a lot of money and isn't done lightly. We've done a lot fo good there, both for the local economy and for the intended purpose of the base (counter-narcotics). Taking that base away, simply because the President of the moment may not like it, shouldn't be done lightly either.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Ecuador wants military base in Miami
Posted: 10/24/2007 8:25:01 AM
I'd say she's got an extremely salient point.

But you know what? So does the president of Ecuador. Let's go ahead and disassemble our base there. Everything we built should be knocked down so that we can return the base to them in the exact same shape we got it in.

Let's tell the hundreds (thousands?) of Ecuadoreans we employ there that they'll have to go back to looking to the local economy for jobs.

Let's also tell the president that not only do we take his point, and are leaving, but that we're also going to stop whatever foreign aid payments (not associated with the base) we make to his country.


Sovereignty and being in control of ones own home are the issues.

Yes, they're so in control of their country that the taxi drivers brought most of the country to a standstill when gas prices hiked a few years ago.

There's no shame in having a strong ally like the States on your soil to help with strictly-defined operations like counter-narcotics. Especially when the South American countries themselves admit they need serious help and money.

Your assertion that having a military base on your soil means that you have no sovereignty holds no water.

We pay a pretty penny for every foreign base we have overseas. I have to laugh when I see some of our allies get a new, left-leaning president and all of a sudden he wants to cut off his nose to spite his face.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 51 (view)
 
He's Fan-freaking tastic! Why can't i get over that he's a Charmer?
Posted: 10/1/2007 8:02:00 AM

...it is an attitude that you bring to other people on a daily basis, that turns negativity into positivity, complain into action, insecurity and stress into self assurance, trust and peace. .. I admire how he makes people feel and I strive within the fabric of my own character to bring that in other people.


Well said. A person who is truly charming has it embedded within them. It's how they treat ALL people, not just a date.

If a guy turns on the charm just for a woman he's out on a date with wouldn't many people call that insincere?

Sometimes one simply can't win for losing. Ah well, the non-charming, boorish, user men need dates too I suppose. There's someone for everyone, ain't?
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 50 (view)
 
He's Fan-freaking tastic! Why can't i get over that he's a Charmer?
Posted: 10/1/2007 7:54:06 AM

Bottom line:

2 great and charming dates! Guy not for me


This says it all.

May there be a totally non-charming man waiting for you in the near future. (There's always someone for everyone, non?)


Now the car seat... that's another ball of wax. Big red flag unless you were to meet his niece and confirm that he takes her out often.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 43 (view)
 
He's Fan-freaking tastic! Why can't i get over that he's a Charmer?
Posted: 9/30/2007 3:24:53 PM

Does anyone else on here get nervous around an obvious charmer?
Do the ladies on here think that he's out charming the pants,,,uh the Skirts, off others too.


This just occured to me. Met a woman who had amazing potential... and she talked herself right out of the possibility of a wonderful relationship... in part because she was concerned about my "charm". She loved the hell out of it. She reacted back in kind. She was very appreciative of my accomodating and attentive personality, but very soon started to question how I could be "that" charming and smooth unless I'd had "a lot of practice", and didn't that just make me some kind of "ladies man"?

Well, in addition to being highly insulting, she was just flat out wrong.

Why is it that some women can't trust the fact that just possibly they've met a really decent, good man... and let the future unfold as it will, instead of self-sabotaging?

We've all had bad experiences in the past, but when we allow those experiences to color our perceptions of the present TOO much, then we're cursing ouselves to a bleak and miserable future.


Women deep down want to believe they are the only one on the receiving end of this, so should I just be grateful for the time I had with him and go out again?


Give him more time to prove to you that his is not an act. Spent time and shared experiences will soon reveal whether or not he's the real deal.

Be careful that you don't narrow your field of vision so much that your Ship goes sailing past you in the night.

Bill
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Am I right?
Posted: 9/30/2007 3:11:45 PM
An absolute, unmitigated, ass-holish, pseudo-sly jerk.

You did the right thing.

Now let's laugh at him.

 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 4 (view)
 
San Diego: Culture and Cochtails
Posted: 8/27/2007 12:36:18 PM
It's a traveling exhibition... which SDMA uses as an excuse to throw these parties.

Lot of fun.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 2 (view)
 
San Diego: Culture and Cochtails
Posted: 8/22/2007 1:51:51 PM
The DJ spins, exotic beverages flow, artworks dazzle, and museum visitors glow at SDMA's popular sundown series, Culture &****ails. Bring a friend, meet someone new, and experience art in a whole new way.

August 30, Thursday
6:00–9:00 p.m. (special extended hours)
$10 (Free for members!)

Explore a garden of earthly delights at the next Culture &****ails as you wander through 100 lusciously painted canvases by Monet and friends featured in Impressionist Giverny.

Don’t miss the official Culture &****ails after party at the W Hotel where you’ll receive a discount on the night’s specialty****ail and on your total bill at rice (excluding alcohol), all with no cover charge.

Purchase tickets at the door or get priority entry privileges by purchasing tickets in advance at www.ticketmaster.com (a limited number of tickets are available; all Ticketmaster surcharges are waived).
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Good on you
Posted: 8/3/2007 8:23:11 AM
And... I don't believe anyone has yet mentioned the victory hidden among your self-described problems: You've lost weight!


ok, due to some weight loss I have some...


That's fantastic! Yes, you may need some firming up, but it's my guess that your b/f appreciates your efforts thus far. Dwell on what positives you've achieved and not so much on what remains to be done. Just get on with it and I'm sure your b/f will be with you every step of the way.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Unattractive Body and Love?
Posted: 8/2/2007 11:40:22 AM

Can you overlook an unattractive body if everything else ticks the boxes? Would you feel as if you could do better?


Well, in the realm of the physical, I'd first say there's a bit of a difference between some "wobbly bits" and having an outright "unattractive body". Which is it for you?

Next, if the guy says he doesn't have an issue with your body, then take him at his word until he proves differently. I don't know of ANYONE, when citing an ideal, who would put a lump of potatos up on a pedestal... BUT there are many people who know that's not the end all and be all of a sucessful relationship.

It sounds like your b/f is o-k with the way you look. If you take any surgical steps, make sure you know you're doing it for yourself.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 1 (view)
 
San Diego Events and Groups
Posted: 8/1/2007 4:45:20 PM
I've not yet seen a thread that spoke about social groups, so I thought I'd share the ones that I know of/participate in:

San Diego Young Professionals- http://www.sdyoungpros.com Young pros and similar doing clubs and happy hours. Can be fun!

IvyHour- www.ivyhour.com Arts-inspired events for young (and middle-something) professionals and like-minded people. Plays, musicals, opera, wine tastings, dinner parties, chamber orchestra, charity work, salsa at Sevilla, the symphony... it's an eclectic blend that brings many people together for good times. One of the larger social group in SD. There's always an event on the calendar.

San Diego Uncorked- http://www.sandiegouncorked.com/ Wine advocates who promote the enjoyment and knowledge of wine to both novice and wine aficionados in an informative and social environment. A good group who has a bunch of fun.

Ovation- http://sdsovation.com/ Ovation is a group of aspiring young (and young at heart) people interested in meeting and connecting with like minded go getters while enjoying the aura of class and excitement that is the San Diego Symphony. Ovation members are invited to exclusive pre concert****ail parties and receive special discounts to signature concerts and events. I know people in this one as well. A good bunch.

San Diego Linkup- http://sandiegolinkup.com I've not tried this yet, but it comes recommended from a friend. Allows you to input interests and sort events based on those interests.

Undoubtedly there are more. Feel free to add your best suggestions here.

Cheers,

Bill
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 82 (view)
 
Is this inappropriate or am I being a prude
Posted: 7/31/2007 3:13:25 PM
Exactly. Asking this stuff before you two had even met is grossly inappropriate, rude, and indeed shows huge lack of class.


It's none of his F****** business what you wear...


Had to laugh at the irony.

 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 79 (view)
 
Is this inappropriate or am I being a prude
Posted: 7/31/2007 11:47:57 AM
No, you were right to be unsettled by his behavior. Wanting to know about your underwear before even the first meeting has occured is crazy. BIG red flag... and one you were wise to heed.

There's too many great guys out there to waste your time on someone trying to satisfy their fetish or need-to-play.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 29 (view)
 
How do guys feel about dating women in the military?
Posted: 5/31/2007 1:58:00 PM
Well, there's the perfect world answer and then there's a realistic answer.

Perfect world: They're serving their country by choice. This makes them a more attractive potential companion because they're focused on something outside of themselves. A cause.

Also, chances are they're learning a decent trade/skill while in, so you're fairly assured they have a modicum of intelligence or better. (Generally speaking)

Realistic answer: A disproportionately large number of women in the military tend to let the negative aspects of military life infect them. (i.e., severely foul launguage, sleeping around the barracks ALOT, and generally class-less, "trailer trash" behavior.) This makes them an unattractive mate for the long term, but perhaps fun (for some men) in the short term.

Plus, like their male counterparts, they tend to be relocated every few years. Hard for a guy with a carreer to cope with.

As for me personally, I'd certainly not reject a potential date with a military woman out of hand, but would have my filters up... just like at any other time. ;-)

Cheers,

Bill
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 16 (view)
 
When you are first with a new woman
Posted: 5/31/2007 1:49:25 PM
I think it varies dramatically based on the fledgling dynamic that is evolving between the two partners.

Any particular man might really like a new girlfriend to be completely uninhibited right at the start... and then turn around with the next girlfriend (if the first didn't work out of course) and take things more slowly. It really is all about what makes both partners comfortable.

That being said: All other things being equal I think I'd prefer a little reservation at first, simply so that we, as a couple, could build up a history of experiences and learnings.

Not that I wouldn't want her to bring her "A" game the first night (I would), but simply not to get freaky for freaky's sake until we've put some common mileage down. Hope that makes sense.

Regarding your "Control" question: Once again, it's about what makes both partners comfortable, but will say that since (in my experience) I'm expected to be (somewhat) in control, I'm very comfortable in that role.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Delete my profile and we havent met yet. ??? Am I wrong???
Posted: 5/24/2007 3:11:03 PM
OP, the guy has HUGE control issues and you should have recognized that right away.

It's plain UNREASONABLE to expect someone to delete their profile just three days after meeting on the internet... even if you DID hit it off.

A few weeks after you've met more than a few times in person... and after you've decided you're going to give a relationship a shot? Then whatever the TWO of you decide is appropriate is, well... appropriate!

But 3 days into a cyber-talk where you haven't even met yet? DUMP THAT LOSER!
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 6 (view)
 
I've found my true love.
Posted: 5/17/2007 3:35:24 PM
Known each other one day and it's True Love, huh?

Best of luck... I think you'll need it!
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 1320 (view)
 
Do You Men Read Our Whole Profiles?
Posted: 5/14/2007 2:05:45 PM
Without a doubt.

If I'm moved to email a woman based on her profile, be assured that I've read the entire thing. I love to see how seriously women take on-line dating. Their narrative (and yes, their pictures too) provides a great insight.

i.e., if they don't put any work into their profiles (perhaps they think they can just get by on a cute pic or two), why would any man think that they'd put effort into the actual relationship?
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 61 (view)
 
Why dates generated from POF are cut short!!!!!
Posted: 4/19/2007 2:16:59 PM

I dated one woman for about 3 weeks and she accused me of being married. She had an online background check done on me...


If she's running background checks on you after three weeks of dating then consider yourself lucky that she took a hike. Boorish, paranoid, rude behavior like that speaks to her inability to trust men. Who need that world-of-pain?

To address (somewhat) the OP's question: Yes, there are many more women than men on here. Yes, the average guy has to work much harder here than the average woman. One either plays by the rules layed out before him or one gets out of Dodge.

I choose to deal with it.

Cheers!
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Is it really over? (rather long)
Posted: 4/18/2007 2:47:41 PM
And you've not changed your phone number because why???

*Shaking head*

Some people need drama in their lives. First you must admit that about yourself, then you can seek to resolve that aspect of your personality.

Good luck.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 36 (view)
 
I need your help ..
Posted: 4/18/2007 9:58:14 AM
You may have simply caught her at exactly the wrong time in her life.

You could try gently pursuing her (within the realm of acceptable behavior), but the reality is that sometimes these types of situation occur with no rhyme or reason to them.

Sorry, Mate.


Met this girl last week and she was fabuloso She thought the same of me (and yes I did ask) And yet she won't go out again. I know it's not an attraction issue. We are VERY attracted to eachother. But she says she's scared. Scared that I will break her heart like all the others did before me. She said she knows that is an unfair assumption to make and hates herself for feeling this way, but she does.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 34 (view)
 
dating someone under house arrest
Posted: 4/17/2007 10:37:45 AM

It was a definate set up, clear cut.


Not so clear cut, else he wouldn't have been found guilty. By definition.


It's so good to see that so many of you are perfect and aren't willing to give ppl a second chance in life.


Looks like you knew your answer 'fore you ever came in here asking the question. Why'd you waste everyone's time and then bag on them for giving their honest opinion?

 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 16 (view)
 
When to start dating others?
Posted: 4/16/2007 8:55:47 AM
"Preparing" for a possible end to your relationship almost assuredly dooms it to fail (if it hasn't already).

Safety nets, squirrling money away unbeknownst to the other spouse, looking around for other places to move to... these are all sure signs that the marriage has begun to spiral downwards. Unless you make positive, strong moves to address the problems and resolve them (vs preparing your parachute) you might as well end the relationship right now and stop deceiving yourself and your spouse.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 1237 (view)
 
Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 4/13/2007 4:30:14 PM
I think the point the article was making is that even Filippinos within the Philippines itself dispute what to call themselves.



It's like saying Canada and America are the same cause they live in the same continents. But we all know that Canadians and Americans are two different cultures and there monies are differents.


Ah, but how many Canadians or Americans will you find that dispute they are all "North Americans" from North America?
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 1235 (view)
 
Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 4/13/2007 3:47:34 PM
I think where you come from may be a factor in how the term "Pacific Islander" is utilized.

With no disprespect to any interested party:



Pacific Islander
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For the rugby union team, see Pacific Islanders rugby union team.
Pacific Islander (or Pacific Person, pl: Pacific People, also called Oceanic[s]), is a geographic term used in several places, such as New Zealand and the United States, to describe the inhabitants of any of the three major sub-regions of Oceania[1][2].

In New Zealand, the term is applied to a person who has emigrated from one of the smaller islands of the Pacific to New Zealand in modern times, or one of their descendants born in New Zealand. While the majority of these people originate from Polynesia, others come from Micronesia and Melanesia. The term is used to distinguish these people from the indigenous New Zealand Maori (who are also Polynesian but arrived in New Zealand many centuries earlier), and from other ethnic groups. A major reason for making the ethnic distinction is that the Pacific People collectively suffer from socio-economic disadvantages and require culturally targeted social and health assistance.

In Australia, "Pacific Islander" means a person from islands in the Pacific, as in New Zealand.

In the United States, "Pacific Islander" refers to people from the same locations. In U.S. usage it is most commonly seen as "Native Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders".

It excludes people who trace to non-Pacific Island origins (e.g., descendants of Chinese or European colonists) that may now reside on the islands. It would also exclude New Zealanders, except the Maori who are Polynesian, nor would it include Australians or indigenous Australians (except perhaps Torres Strait Islanders, who are generally not included under the designation "Australian Aborigines").

For instance, U.S. Census category was "Native Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders" (NHPI). NHPI refers to people having origins from any of the indigenous peoples of Hawaii, the Marianas, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. It includes people who indicated their race or races as "Native Hawaiian", "Guamanian or Chamoru", "Samoan", or "Other Pacific Islander", or wrote in entries such as Tahitian, Mariana Islander, or Chuukese.


Usage Dispute

Inhabitants of the Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, Filipino, and Indonesian islands, although technically bordering the Pacific Ocean, do not fall under the definition of "Pacific Islanders" because such islands are not located in any of the three regions of Oceania (Polynesia, Micronesia and Melanesia), and are therefore classified as "Asians" on the U.S. Census.
Despite this, a growing number of Filipino-Americans have denied the classification of being "Asian", instead claiming to be "Pacific Islanders", which has provoked dismay among some Pacific Islanders who actually belong to the Oceanic cultures comprising the commonly accepted definition of the term, and has also prompted allegations of cultural denial from other Filipinos, the worldwide majority of whom identify themselves as being Asian (as the Filipino government has stated since its foundation that the Philippines is a part of Asia). However, it should be noted that both groups, as well as aboriginals from Taiwan, other countries of Maritime Southeast Asia (including Indonesia), and the Madagascar Malagasy are all closely related ethnically and can be grouped together under one umbrella term, the Austronesians.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 20 (view)
 
dating someone under house arrest
Posted: 4/12/2007 9:04:45 AM
Just say no... unless you're purposefully looking for drama and a world of hurt in your life. Hey, lots of people are DRAWN to that type of thing. Self-esteem issues and such, but if you value yourself and those who love you, stay far away.

Very generalized answer, I admit, but you weren't exactly forthcoming with the details.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Quality Communication
Posted: 4/12/2007 9:01:23 AM
There's a lack of quality communication (ability)... not much to be done about that unless one wants to take a course in Interpersonal Communication or the like...

Then there's deliberately witholding information with the intent to deceive.

Both very serious issues.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Reading The Signals !!!!
Posted: 4/12/2007 8:55:39 AM
Men can be really bad at reading signals... and women can be really poor at clarifying the signals they think they're putting out!

People on both sides of the equation: Put your best foot forward more often and you'll be rewarded for it.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Knock them off their pedestals?
Posted: 4/11/2007 12:59:27 PM
Rather than seeking to "knock them down" or "one-up" them, I suggest that the thing that works best in a bar/club situation is simply being real toward them and not treating them like a thing to be sexed.

Incidentally: bar and clubs are horrible places to search if you're looking for a quality relationship. (IMHO, of course!)
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 107 (view)
 
Bulltorturing
Posted: 3/29/2007 8:20:26 AM
I had opted out of this thread because I felt like I'd said everything I wanted to, but when I saw a flat out lie I decided to do one more post. Most of us are saying the bull is tortured. One person states that it is not:



As for the oft-repeated assertion that the bull is being tortured in a typical Corrida. Hogwash!!!


He even seems quite passionate that the bull is not being tortured. He's putting his name and credibility on the line, so to speak.

Instead of making another assertion here contradicting our hot-blooded, falsehood-uttering Spaniard, I instead decided to link to a page of bull"fighting" pics and let you all decide for yourself. This particular set of fights isn't as bad as the one I saw, but you still get the idea quite clearly.

(Warning for scenes of blood and {what is to most of us} animal cruelty)
http://www.vonbergen.net/html_images_open/corrida.htm

(or vonbergen dot net/html_images_open/corrida.htm)

If he keeps on asserting that there's no animal cruelty/torture involved I vote that an immediate IQ test be administered! Poste Haste!

{/out}
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 96 (view)
 
Bulltorturers and the Trolls who love them
Posted: 3/28/2007 8:55:52 AM
Is it possible that those who oppose La Corrida are so culturally blind and bigoted that they can't see the beauty of the Corrida?


What I suspected before is now fully clear to me. You're trolling... egging people on for no other purpose but to taunt.

Have fun. Hope this all garners you a date, but somehow I think not.

Catalonia moves to abolish bullfighting . Fiona Govan in Madrid
23/06/2006 Catalonia's parliament is poised today to take the first step to abolishing bullfighting throughout the autonomous region in north-eastern Spain.


Bullfighting's future in doubt. Fiona Govan in Madrid 21/12/2006
Bullfighting was facing an uncertain future in Spain yesterday with the announcement that the last bullring in Barcelona is to close after failing to draw enough spectators.


Ole INDEED, Torta.


{/out}
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 88 (view)
 
bullfighting
Posted: 3/27/2007 2:28:07 PM
No need to apologise. No one is attacking Spanish people. I know a great many who think, as most of us do, that this is simply a barbaric, anachronistic holdover from a bygone era.

It's mostly older, staid Spaniards in search of their past greatness who still extoll the virtues of bulltorturing, but the writing on the wall is clear. Every generation that goes by sees fewer and fewer Spaniards (and Mexicans) embracing this sadistic "entertainment".
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Pulling statistics outta the butt
Posted: 3/27/2007 9:32:23 AM

Since 1904... approximately 50 matadors have been killed in the ring... so much for your insubstantial views concerning La Corrida.


Since 1904:

2,349 people (just in the US) were killed while walking down the street by an object falling on their head.

Thousands of people have died by having an object stuck in their throat whilst eating.

Hundreds of thousands of people have died, minding their own business, whilst driving a car.

Millions have died from mosquito bites.

I'd say being a bulltorturer is a pretty safe endeavor.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 84 (view)
 
bulltorturing
Posted: 3/27/2007 9:22:34 AM

First of all, to all the bleeding heart animal lovers out there... {cut to weed out irrelevant prose that addresses no particular point save the poster's ego}


There is a gargantuan difference between bleeding-heart animal-hugging fanatics... and ordinary people who balk and rebel at the notion of purposefully, sadistically inflicting pain on animals for the pleasure of ignorant and backward people. Put that in your codpiece and smoke it.

In the bullfight that I attended there was NO bulltorturer (I won't dignify any of those thugs with romanticized names} that came into the ring before the guys on horses (followed by guy on foot with spikes) did their bloody work on the bull.

The bulltorturer only came into the ring after the bull was bled out and sliced up to the point of near-death. Once again: Brave, brave man! To come out into a ring with a near-dead animal takes SO much testosterone and courage. You really got me there, Torta.

One of the peanut-balled bull"fighters" did indeed get down on his knees and turn his back to the glistening, covered-in-red bull. You could tell there was nothing that the animal would have liked better than to gore that coward right up his a***... but being near death and all (because of the steel blades that went into its flesh dozens of times before the impotent "fighter" ever set foot in the ring).... Well, the spirit was willing, but the flesh was weak... BY DESIGN.

Cultural icon INDEED.

Nice Ad Hominum statement at the end of your sillyness. Truly the last resort of illogic.

As for my testosterone level: I once got into a fight with a dump truck and turned it into six Mini-Coopers. That's gotta count for something.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 81 (view)
 
Emotional and spiritual immaturity
Posted: 3/27/2007 8:54:08 AM
Heather has decided that she is too young and career {is} too promising to have children.


That a real shame. Please tell me the place you received this "counseling" isn't the
same place that does the abortions.


Now we all know this girl is having an abortion...does anyone else find this disturbing?


Oh, I'd wager more than a few people.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 77 (view)
 
bulltorturing
Posted: 3/26/2007 1:26:35 PM
I'd say the early Greeks had it down right. Athletes would run at the bull, leap over it's horns, and do a handspring off it's shoulders landing smartly on the ground behind it.

I'd pay money to see that. :-)

And no, to my knowledge there are no humane bullfights occuring anywhere in the world. (Correct me if wrong.) I think a fully intact bull, not having lost five gallons of blood through laceration wounds to it's shoulders and neck, would be too much for any of those brave bullfighters (and I use the terms loosely) to manage.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 73 (view)
 
bulltorturing
Posted: 3/26/2007 11:10:23 AM
Those who failed to kill the bull quickly and caused extra suffering on the bull’s part were booed.


At what point, I wonder, does the prolonged pain being purposefully inflicted on the bull become "extra suffering"?
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Bulltorturing
Posted: 3/26/2007 11:01:10 AM
I think Boxing is barbaric... how many of you watch that and cheer for someone...men have died from it...some even have permanent brain damage...look at the Greatest one..Ali...too many blows to the head and now all he does is shake around.


You were attempting to be funny, yeah?

You do realize that Ali has Parkinson's Disease, right? Can't catch that from boxing.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 71 (view)
 
Bullbutchering
Posted: 3/26/2007 10:53:58 AM
It may be that those who hate bullfighting the most are those urbanites who have never experienced farm or rural life.


I don't think you want to get into a demographics discussion, where it's common knowledge that urban centers contain far more highly educated individuals than rural settings (apologies to all my country-bretheren out there).

As a product of both worlds I feel quite comfortable in saying that it's not the practical killing of meat-providing animals that most of us have an issue with (in regards to this discussion). No, what I have a problem with is the slow, ritualistic torture of (for all intents and purposes) defenseless animals for the voyeuristic pleasure of culturally backward/ignorant people. Anyone who revels and rejoices in the spectacle of an animal bleeding out as it's stabbed repeatedly deserves neither our respect nor our "understanding".

I give you a C- for trying to dance around the real issue.
 powervideo
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 68 (view)
 
What if neither one of us is ready?
Posted: 3/26/2007 10:35:16 AM

"If they are my children and Heather wants to give them up for adoption I won’t contest it and understand that our relationship is much to young to take on such a huge responsibility."


Light, you stand revealed.

If they are your children and Heather wants to keep them: All of a sudden your relationship isn't too young (new) for that big of a responsibility? All of a sudden you're ready for it (the responsibility)?

That's quite an internal switch you've got there, Champ.
 
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