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so what can solar do? most efficiently it can heat water

There is no such thing as parking in orbit. Not for free anyway. Anything in orbit must decay. It's how gravity works. It pulls stuff down.

I don't get the current administration mixed up with the people inside your country or the identity of the State itself. Why do you?

The oil age will not end because we run out of oil any more than the Stone Age ended because we ran out of rocks

So what you're saying is that if there's just a few coathanger abortions, that's OK then, so long as there aren't any abortions performed by competent professionals?

No, that is clearly not what I'm saying, but it's quite typical of some debaters to attack a statement in that manner, to defame and insult the speaker by implying something that clearly was not said.
I also quite clearly did not say, nor ever have said in this thread, that I wish to "dictate" (your term) what women do with their bodies. But, again I'm not surprised at the presumption of certain debaters who believe that the other side, in disagreeing with them, adheres to certain ways of thinking. Yet another ad hominem comment.

What I am saying, and what neither you nor anyone else has had the courage to respond to is that, had abortion been as readily available in 1954 as it is now, I'd likely not be here to conduct this debate with you.
That's because the vast majority of women see abortion as an easy out, a way to avoid nine months of discomfort and, oftentimes, a fair measure of shame.
How can you - or Heinlien, with that disgusting quote about population control - pruning I think was the term - someone attributed to him earlier - justify the deaths of millions in the name of 'convenience'? Is life worth so little to you, because quite frankly, that attitude is not far off that of the Nazis towards non-Aryan people, gays, cripples and the mentally incompetent in the 30s and 40s.

Would you deny the existence of car accidents because somebody sells car insurance?

Why is it that when we note Gore has no science background and an axe to grind with his carbon credits company, the left finds that just great, but all the deniers MUST be funded by big oil?
Am I hearing some hypocrisy from certain global warming adherents? Nah, couldn't be.

[He worked to give women like your mother choice in dealing with pregnancy.

Yep, so to avoid inconveniencing some gal who had her jollies and doesn't want to pay the price, you'll deny me - and how many millions of unborn children we never heard from - their say in the matter?
Do you REALLY think that even ONE of those unborn milllions would have chosen to not be born?
I'll understand if you choose not to answer that question- it takes a whole lot more courage than the abortionist crowd can usually summon.

But even you confess that you were unable to find supporting documentation in the local small town library for global cooling. I dare say if you went to the same library or its equivalent today, even if you didn't touch a computer,

Yep - let's remember, that was then, and this is now. Even if you don't touch a computer today, so much news is disseminated via computer, the newsroom HAS GOT TO BE wired to compete. So, printed news will reflect our computer/internet age.
As for earlier comments about the media being stupid about this issue, and/or following the PC line - I am a member of the media and I can tell you, the average journalist is left of center and a believer in all that implies. He/she is also generally not in the least educated in science and entirely unable to comprehend the issues being discussed.
That same comment also applies to economics and finance - anyone who looks to the general media for intelligent responses to these issues is about as stupid on the subject as those reporting it. In fact, any member of the media without scientific credentials who gives his opinion, as opposed to presenting the facts, is not a reporter but someone giving you his uninformed opinion - much like many who post here in fact.
Otoh, a report such as the op's, in which someone actually knowledgeable (unlike opportunistic shills a la Mr. Gore) gives his opinion and facts to back it up - that is worth reading. There are a lot of those people who disagree with Gore et al.
The problem lies in the fact that those who support Gore absolutely refuse to consider that anyone else just might have a handle on the problem. That's an unhealthy mindset.
As for global warming, those who don't remember it as an issue in the 70s may well have been adding their own CO2 to our atmosphere, possibly due to the burning of certain 'other' hydrocarbons.
Those who question Greenland's being green? Keep in mind, the creation of oil required the decay over eons of tropical forests - tropical kinda implies warm....and gee, the Arctic isn't real warm right now, but there is lots of oil up there, and off the Nfld coast, where you wouldn't really go for a suntan, right?

You are a male, so fortunately you will never experience the situation,

I've been off sailing so am now just returning to the debate - yes, I'm a male, but why should that disallow my opinion. Keep in mind, in this debate, where a woman is dealign with convenience, people like me are dealing with our lives! Why has no one had the intestinal fortitude to discuss the fact that, in 2008, I likely wouldn't have been born, whereas in 1954, the public's overall attitude towards abortion (and thus favouring adoption), gave quite a few of us the chance to live...
Morgentaler would have denied me my life - and his actions have meant that thousands, no, hundreds of thousands if not millions, of children, have been denied a life.
And this country HONOURED him for that? CRAP!

Morgentaler was arrested several times and spent months in jail as he fought his case at all court levels in Canada.

He opened his first illegal abortion clinic in Montreal in 1969 and performed thousands of {illegal} procedures.

Upon his release from prison in Quebec, Morgentaler decided to challenge the law in other provinces. Over the next 15 years, he opened and operated private abortion clinics across the country in direct violation of the law. In 1984, another appeal from the federal government found Morgentaler to be guilty under the Criminal Code.

Morgentaler is a convicted felon in this country - period. End of that part of this discussion, thank you.

(btw, that last quote is from the Canadians for Choice site - even they admit he's a convicted felon)

I know Father Larre he’s a kind, good natured soul with an amazing sense of humor. He runs Bosco Home for trouble youth. They’re not the usual trouble youth you’d expect. They are the children no one wants. They are the now teenaged kids born with fetal alcohol syndrome or have some other extreme psychological abnormalities, you know, the shove-a- gun-in-your-face kind of kid.

Catholics in BC will know him; he makes the parish rounds once each year to raise money for Bosco Home.

What’s quite extraordinary about this priest is that he can barely walk. Father Larre had polio as a child and had to teach himself to walk again. He drags his leg, can only stand for short length of time, and is always in pain. You wouldn’t know it though he always has a smile on his face.

Daring and sometimes controversial, Father Larre has always been the one to step up to the plate and does the right thing. God bless him.

Listen the the ones who know, McCain and the late Adm. Stockdale!...

the intelligence you get is unreliable and the damage to you in terms of giving terrorist recruiters a propoganda tool is too strong.

If there is a spouse involved, as long as there is even a smidgen of income ... there is no hope for Welfare. If they are in the process of buying a home ... that has to go ... they have to use up all of their resources before they can qualify for Welfare benefits.

I think we ought to start some sort of program that a bunch of us offer up the use of our addresses so that our citizens also qualify for health care benefits.

That is an outright BOLD-FACED lie

Funny, but there's an election coming, this is a popular program, the Dems send a bill which they KNOW, absolutely, the President won't sign - which then looks bad to the voter, who doesn't bother checking out the details.
Bush was ready to add more money to the program, provided the Democratically controlled government met his conditions - which were to enroll EVERY poor child, before extending the program to others.
This is bad? Am I missing something here?

In a statement notifying Congress of his decision, Bush said the bill was unacceptable because — like the first one — it allows adults into the program, would cover people in families with incomes above the U.S. median and raises taxes.
"This bill does not put poor children first, and it moves our country's health care system in the wrong direction," Bush's statement said. "Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage...
A major point of contention with the White House was Bush's demand that nearly all poor children eligible for the program be found and enrolled before any in slightly higher-income families could be covered. He originally proposed adding $5 billion to the program over five years but later said he was willing to go higher as long as his conditions were met."

but the fact is that this anti- american stuff has been going on alot longer then this admin.

As I wrote in another thread, you are not worth the time of day and I shall ignore your posts

For those who don't understand how I got to these numbers, I simply subtracted the % of farmers and the negative ones as well.

I can express my opinion freely here

Our solution as protestors is to work together with other countries......Its called consensus building and communication skill building..It takes patience, courage, maturity, and skill and negiotiation

It causes domestic violence, alchoholism, child abuse/neglect, unemployment among vets,poor performance in schools with children ...It causes rates of social security disability to skyrocket because people often cant work when they have PTSD