Ok, here are the Top Ten reasons guys don't phone for that second date ;

1. Things moved too fast (excessively clingy, needy)

2. Things moved too slow (another Total Loss from Holy Cross)

3. You showed him a photo of your kid, and later, he saw that SAME photo on 'America's Most Wanted'.

4. You accidentally let it slip out that you have 47 cats.

5. Those 3 phone calls from your Ex hubby during the first date.

6. Those 3 phone calls TO your Ex hubby during the first date.

7. Too much talk about moving to Alaska. (or NYC... same thing.)

8. He noticed that your car had been 'booted' during the date.

9. Every ONE of those 4 guys who came over to say 'hi' to you during dinner... looked VERY suspicious.

10. Catastrophic, sudden deodorant failure.

"Dream date - Taking a girl up to the rockies. I'd have you picked up by limosine and driven to the airport. We'd get onto a helicopter for a tour of the mountains. What you wouldn't know though is that I would have set up a mountain top with a candle lit dining table and the others in the helicopter would be our maitre de and wine server. We'd have a 5 star meal and watch the sunset in the mountains before flying back to Calgary or to Lake Louise to stay at the chateau. (I know, sounds cheesy but I'm a romantic deep down inside and I would sincerely do that for the right girl, it's actually how I intend to propose to "the one")"

Why are women under 30 so materialistic?

I feel the love, really.

As for me... I am a normal guy, tall, average looking, non-judgemental...

I am so much more than a little box on a computer screen.
I am a writer and thinker by nature so you can capture my attention best with some intelligence and creativity. Music speaks to my soul and I take it very seriously. I'm not a musician but I am a believer.

onyxblue,

Thank you.
Another observant person who sees the world's condition as it really is.

Most people delude themselves that everything is OK.
Many never read about authors who do very careful research work using ARCHIVAL information.
They run at the mouth and say pleasant things about the very people who caudse problems (never realizing it is these cancers, the Elites who hoodwink and bamboozle the populace, that act like drunken Marines at a bar cauding fist fights, and dragging our nation into needless invasions/occupations)...No there IS NO WAR going on. We are guilty of invading soveraign nations who have not invaded our shores. We violated what I call the COLIN POWELL PRINCIPLE: You break it, you buy it. We messed up the regional status quo and now we are stuck having to pay in blood and money. There is a REAL reason the MUCH more smarter, wiser and clever elder Bush did not topple Saddam Hussein...he did not want to get stuck in an expensive and ludicrous quagmire. No one bothers to read hsitory. IRAQ was a also a mistake the British did when they also invaded and it was a quagmire to them also.

Some of you people out there come across as ignorant chest thumping bad mouthers.

When ever we elect trouble making people who make money out of conflicts, we as a nation tend to lose credibility by the rest of the world. How sad.

Excellent post Mystic. Well said.

It is truly sad to see and hear people who constantly defend the indefensible, no matter how much archival data is presented to them. Their sense of denial is so strong that nothing that doesn't affect them deeply or personally will cause them to wake up and see what's really going on. The irrational rationalizations are simply stupifying.

I am encouraged, however, by the increasing numbers who are seeing the direction of this country and the action's of this administration for what it really is.

Thats nonesense- even if it could be argued that the airways belong to "the people", "the people" do not own channels, or radio stations, or newspapers. While I may watch CBS or NBC or Spike, I do not have a vested interest in the channel- I do not own them in any way, shape or form. Like it or not, television shows are a business- and, ironically enough, the FCC needs not enforce laws on the airways because the airways are dictated by the consumer- if alot of people watch a show, that show will invaribly succeed. Thats the sad reality we all have to deal with- that an individual cannot control what is on the airways directly- but indirectly, by choosing what you watch in your shows, you determine what kinds of shows that channel will offer.
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You are right...Kind of....

That is why the 1st responders dont have common radio Freq, (9-11). Public air waves are being held up by greedy lobby interest. HDTV????

The air wave is used under license that is reviewed.


We own it...

The gov't knows that the general public is sick and that they'll watch
the worst of the worst...that is the ONLY reason we have the
FCC. It's to control the weirdo's. That's what the interent is for....

The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:

Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago,
only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than
two rooms per person.

The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.

Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than
two rooms per person.

#4 Hunger and Homelessness Increasing in the US

Sources:

The New Standard, December 2005
Title: “New Report Shows Increase in Urban Hunger, Homelessness”
Author: Brendan Coyne

OneWorld.net, March, 2006
Title: “US Plan to Eliminate Survey of Needy Families Draws Fire “
Author: Abid Aslam

Faculty Evaluator: Myrna Goodman
Student Researcher: Arlene Ward and Brett Forest

The number of hungry and homeless people in U.S. cities continued to grow in 2005, despite claims of an improved economy. Increased demand for vital services rose as needs of the most destitute went unmet, according to the annual U.S. Conference of Mayors Report, which has documented increasing need since its 1982 inception.

The study measures instances of emergency food and housing assistance in twenty-four U.S. cities and utilizes supplemental information from the U.S. Census and Department of Labor. More than three-quarters of cities surveyed reported increases in demand for food and housing, especially among families. Food aid requests expanded by 12 percent in 2005, while aid center and food bank resources grew by only 7 percent. Service providers estimated 18 percent of requests went unattended. Housing followed a similar trend, as a majority of cities reported an increase in demand for emergency shelter, often going unmet due to lack of resources.

As urban hunger and homelessness increases in America, the Bush administration is planning to eliminate a U.S. survey widely used to improve federal and state programs for low-income and retired Americans, reports Abid Aslam.
President Bush’s proposed budget for fiscal 2007, which begins October 2006, includes a Commerce Department plan to eliminate the Census Bureau’s Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP). The proposal marks at least the third White House attempt in as many years to do away with federal data collection on politically prickly economic issues.
Founded in 1984, the Census Bureau survey follows American families for a number of years and monitors their use of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, child care, and other health, social service, and education programs.

Some 415 economists and social scientists signed a letter and sent it to Congress, shortly after the February release of Bush’s federal budget proposal, urging that the survey be fully funded as it “is the only large-scale survey explicitly designed to analyze the impact of a wide variety of government programs on the well being of American families.”
Heather Boushey, economist at the Washington, D.C.–based Center for Economic and Policy Research told Abid Aslam, “We need to know what the effects of these programs are on American families . . . SIPP is designed to do just that.” Boushey added that the survey has proved invaluable in tracking the effects of changes in government programs. So much so that the 1996 welfare reform law specifically mentioned the survey as the best means to evaluate the law’s effectiveness.

Supporters of the survey elimination say the program costs too much at $40 million per year. They would kill it in September and eventually replace it with a scaled-down version that would run to $9.2 million in development costs during the coming fiscal year. Actual data collection would begin in 2009.

Defenders of the survey counter that the cost is justified as SIPP “provides a constant stream of in-depth data that enables government, academic, and independent researchers to evaluate the effectiveness and improve the efficiency of several hundred billion dollars in spending on social programs,” including homeless shelters and emergency food aid.

So.....you disagree that the Government should control things, and you disagree that consumers should control things.......

I don't understand- you want neither the Government nor the People control content? Then who is left? That doesn't make much sense.

Study shows 1 in 8 Americans are living in poverty...

The last time poverty in the US went down was the last year Bill Clinton was in power. No big surprise I suppose.

I think that Canada needs to build a fence between our two nations to stop those Americans looking for a better life away from us. It would be like poison for our economy. Then again, I suppose we could get all the illegal American immigrants to work as housekeepers and landscapers... The jobs that most Canadians won't do.

I love laughing at America.

I believe the fCC time has come and gone . We need less govt intrusion in a free society. Let the market dictate and let parents police their children. In an age when there are nanny controls and the computer is so easily accessible anyway with all kinds of porn and perhaps used almost as much as tv and definitely more so than radio - the fcc is irrelevent anyway. To worry so much about Janet Jacksons nipple for example shows screwed up priorities anyway . You can watch tv and see violence that I will argue can be more detrimental to a childs psychological well being than Janet Jacksons breast . FCC is subjective not objective . Get rid of this farce of an organization .

'Racism': - what does the word MEAN anyway???

What do you think about what the US president is doing? quote]

We currently have a homicidal dictator who siezed the most powerful position of power in the USA through a rigged election and then started an illegal war for oil, period. I look forward to world peace when children do not have to worry about bombs dropping on them so that a politician can make more money.

love for all,

-onyx blue

God might be powerful enough to love someone "unconditionally", but I sure don't.

What if someone is hitting you all the time and you can't stop them?

could you still love them?

that's NUTS!!!

It seems to bring out the greedy & needy in people.

Everyone here who is in my age bracket has been married to their seventh grade girlfriend for ten years and has four kids, has already been married and divorced three times, is a high school drop out with four teeth, or is as dumb as a bag of bricks

I barely even have any friends in this town because most people my age consider a good time sitting around their house playing Scrabble...

.... while sipping on hot cocoa...

i kind of like your idea, onyx. i think it could be fun. especially if all of the restrictions are on it. - i was happy to see the 'send flowers' at the bottom of the screen the other day, then i tried it and was floored! now the little red note says 'send REAL flowers'.........glad they added that for the other people to see! it was funny - but i don't want anyone to use it to send me flowers.

i'd rather they go to the yellow pages dot com and find a florist in my area, save themselves some money from using the other site and spend that money on getting me a bigger/better bouquet! KIDDING

what does it take to get a guy to call back and actually be honest??

In another thread we were talking about reasons why on a first date, a man or a woman more than lets you know that he likes you, enjoys your company, wants to be with you, then backs out, you don't hear from him again.

Now guys tell us the reasons why you would do that. Was she not suitable, not what you thought she was? Have you ever backed out because you thought you might fall for her and weren't ready for committment or love?

Level with all of us women, we would like to know.

definition of the word ploy: a tactic intended to embarrass or frustrate an opponent b : a devised or contrived move : STRATAGEM - ploy to get her to open the door

How could she contrive the plan to make her exboyfriend jealous when she didn't know to begin with she was going to be receiving roses from you?

That's right OP, they will absolutely love it! ....while you are alone eating Hot Pockets...

I love my gf very much, and she loves me very much just the same. We used to be talking very effortlessly the last 3 months or so, but lately i start to sense some kind of a slump in that area. I'm running out of words. Out of topics. I feel like i'm becoming boring and it troubles me when i can't get out of smaltalk into more interesting subjects.

This is something i'd like to remedy rather than say its not working out. We are both intelligent people and there is something great going on between us, which makes me wonder if every relationship goes through the same for the rest of the people here. I'd like our intellectual connection to grow just like the emotional connection does.

Can i possibly bring that issue up for discussion without putting pressure on her, and make her feel like she is boring?
Please help.

My parents blow everything way out of praportion and today made me pick between the father of my child and them. I chose the father of my child and the man I love. What are your veiws on this????

The admin made a decision so far the majority likes it, so that's that. I see no need to consistently whine, moan, groan and badger the man.

Since it is a two way street, the women can also send flowers and other items.

Comparing virtual to real flowers is apples and oranges because the sentiment behind real flowers comes across as much more sincere to many.

define high and low maintenance please?

JUST FOR YOU
Posted: 10/14/2006 10 :28 AM
Admin
Virtual gifts etc are pointless. Its a gimmick paid sites use to try and get people to pay so they can message someone. If I allowed that stuff a lot of women would get spammed with useless messages. It would probably outnumber real mail 2 to 1

onyx blue, I think winks would be great. It would help the people who don't like it when their mail is not opened or replied to. At least if you get a wink back you know they are interested.

I personally have to disagree
that the virtual gifts are useless.
I have seen they keep a FREE
access site still FREE and they also
brighten someone's day at NO cost
for the receiver.

I personally would NOT want someone
to send me flowers of any kind when I
am first introduced to them as I may not
find I do not feel a connection with them
later on and do not want to feel obligated
or pressured to start or continue contact
just because they gave me such.

I AGREE with the one that said he could see
many complaints on a thread of giving flowers
on here and then she/he does NOT respond even.

I feel this idea gets my [thumbs down icon].
Even if I am in the minority of thinking this way
I am still standing by that it seems a wasted idea
in the long run.

Virtual gifts are ice breakers some times,
I have both gotten and given them in the past.
I feel they really brightened my day sometimes.

I also could just send a polite virtual thank you
greeting as a reply and leave it at that then.
Much easier than ignoring or feeling pushed
to start contact if one does not find interest to.

Just my .02 worth on here.

I agree with loyallady. Virtual gifts are not useless or lame. I have a friend who sends me virtual bouquets, E-cards and others things that brighten my day. Doesn't cost anything, and they're a pleasure to receive.

admin on 10/12/2006 2: 54:42 PM
Subject: Plentyoffish, Now with Flowers.
Message: Today I added the ability for users to send flowers to each other onto the site in the USA and Canada.

Here is how it works.

1. You can click the send flowers link on someones profile and it takes you to growerflowers were you can pick the flowers you want to send. Once there you fill out the order and give your personalized message.

2. Once the order has been submitted, Plentyoffish AKA me automatically sends an email to the reciever telling them a user has sent them flowers. The reciever follows the link they recieve and fill out their address information. Once the reciever submits their address info the flowers show up in a day or 2!.

3. At no point in time will the sender or reciever get access to each others personal information such as phone, address, name etc.

Hope you all like it, I thought this would be cooler then sending lame "virtual" gifts like other sites do. :)

Some men would just use it as a way to speed up the "send a form letter to every woman within 100 miles of me in desperate hope of getting a response" process. No no no... no winks please.

"On another site, winking is how people contact me. Get hundreds of those. And they're not ice breakers at all. They're meaningless emails that get deleted pretty quickly by me."

I dunno, it's all relative...... On the other hand, I don't think free winks and what-not would do any good. Women already complain men send them form letters, winks'd be even less well-received.

Also I looked at the selection and the least expensive bouquet is $30.00 which is a lot if you don't really have anything invested in someone.

That's Little Texas, not Lonestar. Sorry. I'm on the fence about the flower thing... it's a nice sentiment, but I've seen far too many potential relationships fizzle early, then you're stuck with flowers that mean nothing and a CC bill. If it takes money and/or material goods to woo her, she's not my type anyway.