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Thread: It takes faith to believe in science - I'd say no.
airbornemedik
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It takes faith to believe in science - I'd say no.
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10/20/2009 5:55:16 AM
>>>>>>>>>>Assuming that causality and awareness is nesessary for existence is just a guess, and since there are things that are generally considered to exist that have never talked about their own awareness of existence, the human existential argument doesnt work for everything. Also, just because things exist after we create them, does not mean creation is the only precondition to existence, or that one is even necessary at all. What if there were 5 things that have infinite existence? Are they all 5 omnipotent god concepts? And what if those 5 things really don't have complete control or influence over everything else? From what I have seen of nature, it is very nebulous, and nothing is really created... they are just refashioned into different shapes. A tree in detroit, has no idea about acorns falling in austin texas. And none of this shares any significant connection to the weather paterns on jupiter... so absolute influence of original creating force doesn't seem likely either.<<<<<<<<<
That has nothing to do with my post, please dont plagerize philosophers if you dont understand their context or intent. Awareness is not the point, being is the point. I can not BE mistaken, if i dont BE.
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It takes faith to believe in science - I'd say no.
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10/19/2009 1:52:24 PM
I feel like science uses the word knowledge to loosely, actually the term science gets used to loosely.
One of the few things I can actually KNOW in life is that I exist. How do I know?
As St. Augustine tells us, even if I were to be mistaken about my existence, that would mean that I do exist and am therefore correct about my existence.
I couldnt be wrong unless I exist, I couldnt be anything unless I exist; non-existence is the absence of all. By definition, non-existence iteself does not exist, so there is no such thing as non-existence. So existence must be infinite without seperation from itself, because the only thing that can stop existence is non-existence and its impossible.
So if non-existence is impossible, then not only is existence never stopping, it could have never been started either. There could never have been non-existence , because it doesnt exist. even if you wanna say theres no proof that non-existence cant be(which is simple-minded at best), non-existence could never turn into existence. 0+0=0. Non-existence plus non-existence could never equal existence. What property would non-existence have that could "create"? If it did, then it couldnt infact be non-existence.
So we KNOW there was always ONE existence. but how did it change into what we are today? 1+0=1. there couldnt have always been 2 that exist, because there is nothing to seperate them. The only way mathematically the system could work is if the ONE "desired" change and therefore willed it into existence.
What ever that ONE is (which im not even speculating) becomes GOD- -the ONE which from ALL comes.
So to say that some form of GOD does not exist is to go against mathematics, WHO'S SIDE IS SUPPORTED BY REASON AND SCIENCE?
airbornemedik
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It takes faith to believe in science - I'd say no.
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10/13/2009 7:51:20 AM
I feel like science uses the word knowledge to loosely, actually the term science gets used to loosely.
One of the few things I can actually KNOW in life is that I exist. How do I know?
As St. Augustine tells us, even if I were to be mistaken about my existence, that would mean that I do exist and am therefore correct about my existence.
I couldnt be wrong unless I exist, I couldnt be anything unless I exist; non-existence is the absence of all. By definition, non-existence iteself does not exist, so there is no such thing as non-existence. So existence must be infinite without seperation from itself, because the only thing that can stop existence is non-existence and its impossible.
So if non-existence is impossible, then not only is existence never stopping, it could have never been started either. There could never have been non-existence , because it doesnt exist. even if you wanna say theres no proof that non-existence cant be(which is simple-minded at best), non-existence could never turn into existence. 0+0=0. Non-existence plus non-existence could never equal existence. What property would non-existence have that could "create"? If it did, then it couldnt infact be non-existence.
So we KNOW there was always ONE existence. but how did it change into what we are today? 1+0=1. there couldnt have always been 2 that exist, because there is nothing to seperate them. The only way mathematically the system could work is if the ONE "desired" change and therefore willed it into existence.
What ever that ONE is (which im not even speculating) becomes GOD- -the ONE which from ALL comes.
So to say that some form of GOD does not exist is to go against mathematics, WHO'S SIDE IS SUPPORTED BY REASON AND SCIENCE?
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OU, worry or panic?
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9/7/2009 8:14:21 AM
After losing the home opener against BYU, is it time for Oklahoma to start panicing?
BYU is a ranked team, and OU did lose their QB, but that was at the end of the first half and they weren't crushing BYU.
Their QB is likely to miss 3 weeks, another loss fully eliminates OU from a sniff at the National Title. Even when they get Bradford back, UT will be waiting for them. Is there any reason to believe OU can even compete with the Longhorns, or OSU for that matter?
OU lost most of its O-line last year, and I dont think they are capable of the High-powered offense weve come to expect from them.
OU is looking at 3 losses this season, with potential for more.
If your a OU fan are you worried about the loss, or are you paniced about the season?
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Start of the Universe via white hole?
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9/1/2009 5:27:53 PM
//Iheardyouontheradio://
"So tell me, what exact effect does this being called "god" have on this universe? Its been a long time since somebody defied reality by calling a colum of fire from the sky, was born of a virgin(at least she stuck to her story), knocked down a wall by blowing horns, made the sun stand still, raised from the dead, ect. Why would such a powerful and wise being be so active way back in the past, then suddenly vanish?"
Because Jesus told us He wouldnt come again! The next time is the end. Have you read the Bible, or do you just call it nonsense cause someone told you it was stupid.
And that whole Mary lying about being a virgin. Ive heard that regergetated since I was 3. Yeah so she said she was a virgin and that her baby was sent from God. Then it just so happened that the baby turned out to be a miracle worker that has been debated for 2000 yrs. That hundreds of eyewitness accounts say He rose after death. Can it ever be enough? If some chick came out today and said she was a virgin and her baby was sent from God, and the baby didnt turn out like Jesus, you would never hear of him. Put 2 and 2 together. The Old testament said He was coming the way He did, Mary claimed she was a virgin, then that baby defied what we hold as reality. What a coincidence!!
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Santa Claus and Zeus
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9/1/2009 3:32:39 PM
//Bright Spark://Sadly though, alot of unfortunate people skipping about today 'actually' believe that the historical Jesus was 'actually' the son of God and not just a man like the rest of us.
Jesus was without doubt one of the greatest philosphers of history. He understood the age old ideal of the ONE. Was he the son of God? Of course, just as me and you are. If God is ONE, then there is nothing that is seperate from Him, and there is noone that is seperate from anyone else. "I am in him and you are in me"(Jesus). This understanding has been around way before Jesus' time, and is even found in eastern philosophy. However, we can use REASON and other facts of information to see how Jesus is unique. He was prophosized about before He came, with immaculate accuracy. He preformed miracles that thousands of eyewitness testify to. And most important, He reserected Himself. Not just to his friends, hundreds of people saw Jesus after His death. Including His very enemies who wished Him dead and then fought to the death for His word after the resurection.
airbornemedik
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Santa Claus and Zeus
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8/28/2009 8:14:13 AM
I totally agree with you scorpio, the possible stories that future generations may conjure are endless.
[I see that many people worship a man called jesus... They believe that he was not just a good man. They believe he was the son of God.... Your forward thinking opens up an interesting question (obviously).
What if a newspaper covering the death and journey of David Koresh (the Waco massacre) were to accidentally fall between two sheets of metal and be accidentally buried for thousands of years as the world around forgot and continued on it's self destructive path?... Once the dust had settled, a new civilization may grow and dig like we do.... They may uncover that newspaper and believe that Mr. Koresh was indeed the second coming of an even more ancient man called Christ.]
This very post deals with Jesus' teachings. Jesus could have went into a cave and written a giant book by himself, telling us the story of God and how we as humans should behave. The problem with this is that future generations would be limitied to their translations of his word. Thats why it was so cruical for Jesus to speak in parables, so that no matter the elapsed time, the moral of the story will always be available to us. Also why Jesus started his church with people, so it could be passed down throughout time. Not just a written word that word lose its meaning. Jesus is in us. As long as humans are here, his teachings can never be silenced.
"You Simon are rock, and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall never overcome it"
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What if we are wrong
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7/29/2009 9:35:46 AM
Being wrong is a Blessing, for to know you are wrong is to be one step closer to the TRUTH!!
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I Am the Center of the Universe
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6/10/2009 9:08:53 AM
I agree, people as a whole are the center of the universe, not a location such as Earth.
But this fits perfectly with the notion that all existence is here so we can exist!
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What do you consider the best sports movies, by sport
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5/12/2009 2:56:23 PM
Does anyone notice how many Kevin Costner movies are named the best sports movies, is there another person anyone can argue as the best sports actor of all-time?
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Does God exist?
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5/12/2009 2:53:43 PM
OLD SOUL:
im not sure what the elephant cat thing is, unless it was a joke. I never claim to KNOW the truth about too much, and I never take the word to lightly. But there is no doubt and i KNOW with certanity, that God exist.
You can be one of two things: existence or non-existence, there is no other possibility
Non-existence cant exist, thats what it is, non-existence!
The only thing that can seperate one existence from another is non-existence, and again, non-existence cannot be.
There is no seperation in exisistence, it is ONE. A man, a horse, a star, we are all connect through existence with nothign seperating us (except illusion to our senses).
c was the start of d
b was the start of c
a was the start b
Can this go on forever? No
The boundless has no beginning and no end. Non-existence can never exist, so there can not be and end to existence
GOD IS EXISTENCE!!
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Does God exist?
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5/12/2009 2:17:32 PM
elephants exist, pink exist, dancing exist. You prove the point you were against. You can speak of non-existence, because by its very definition, it does not exist.
If there was ever nothingness, then there would have been nothing to change its essence. There had to always be existence, whatever that was is GOD. "I am who AM". You dont have to believe what people tell you about God, but you cant rationally argue His existence. If you want to find out who He really is, just search the truth.
airbornemedik
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Lakers
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5/12/2009 2:04:38 PM
Man what a good series! I cant see either team losing tonight and winning the last 2 games. Ill never say Houstons a better team w/o Yao, but its a totally different team that still has plenty of beat you up hussle. Rockets might be too fast for the old lakers.
Hey what about Houston in 94 coming back from 2-0 against Barkley's Suns in a best of 5. And then going on to win the title
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how is the universe expanding?
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5/6/2009 10:24:00 AM
Atoms do exist, but there not the smallest particle. Not even close. In truth there can not be a smallest particle, cause this would mean that where those two particles met, non-existence would have to be. Non-existence is impossible! There is no seperation, all of existence is ONE. Dont confuse the term matter with the term existence. Existence is all there is, the definition of non-existence is that it does not exist. So we are all connected through existence.
I know this contradicts motion:
My theory is that what we call energy runs through all existence, including ourselves. Since there is no seperation, motion is impossible. So motion must be just a transfer of that energy. Motion is an oppitcal illusion, since we cant see the essence of existence/energy, it appears to our eyes, that things move from one unoccupied space to the next, but this is impossible, cause existence/energy is always there.
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Rockets vs Lakers
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5/6/2009 10:08:11 AM
Rockets looking good. People can say Kobe was sick, point is Rockets have two legitamite badass defenders to slow Kobe. Kobe's still gonna get his points, but the Rockets make him shoot and dont let him go to the basket, so he cant dish the ball. Aaron Brooks is to much for Fisher. The one weakness I see, is Von Waffier is getting shut down by that Bushchev guy, or however you spell it. Rockets took home court and thats all they needed. Lakers aint gonna come get one in CLUTCH CITY!!
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how is the universe expanding?
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5/1/2009 4:10:41 PM
but those chunks can only move into what already exist. So how is that expansion if it was already there?
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Rockets vs Lakers
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5/1/2009 3:57:49 PM
I kow the Lakers are the favorite to win, but if anyone has a chance to knock them off, it has to be the Rockets. These two teams have by far the most depth of any other playoff teams, this should be the NBA finals. When the Rockets beat Clevland it wasnt even close. It was the Cavilers 2nd biggest loss of the season
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how is the universe expanding?
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5/1/2009 3:46:42 PM
there can only be existence! the only other option is non-existence, and non-existence doesn't exist. So what is the universe expanding into? The only thing existence can be broken by is non-existence, and again, non-existence doesn't exist! So the universe cant expand, cause theres only ONE existence and its infinite. So how is the universe expanding?
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Play Ball !!!!
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5/5/2005 3:03:28 PM
once the stros get berkman back, they will be unstopable!!!
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BEER VS. PUSSY TASTE TASTE
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Beer never tells you its to tired!!
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Re: what puts a smile on your face?
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blu puts a smile on my face!!
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whats your fave drinkin tune
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The Perfect Country and Western Song-- by David Allen Coe
I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison....
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Equal pay for Equal work?
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12/7/2004 4:08:34 AM
yna6 ur exactly right, white men haven given rights to every other race and gender! Everything u say about men being better cooks and womens vision is 100% correct! My point that i made, which was not the principal of site, That even though some women can do some stuff better than some men, at the top of the list is a man. This really has nothing to do with the point of the thread, but was brought up to defend an argument!Some women in the military can shoot, but if u look at the best of the best its a man!!
The rest of yall that make fun of my spelling need to learn a real important lesson, remember this always. There's a big difference between EDUCATION and INTELLIGENCE!!! I admit i suck at spelling, it says so in my profile! That has nothing to do w/ someones intelligence. Remember, Einstein failed math, and struggled in most of his classes!!!
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WOW. have you guys seen this
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thats the best idea since sliced bread!
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Sex - What is the 1st. thing You think of the person above U - Part V
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u got a permit for those things
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Cubic is my favorite!!!!
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12/6/2004 8:42:36 PM
whoevers above me, has boogers in their nose!!
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12/6/2004 8:40:02 PM
u said that 6 hrs ago!!
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12/6/2004 8:37:19 PM
vivid u dont like anything about me? And i complimented ur ass!!
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id have wild monkey sex w/ this person
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the computer im on is so slow, everyone is beating me!!
Well however is above me has a nice ass!!
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ur still my
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Equal pay for Equal work?
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Hey another person(byrd) with no intelligence trying to debate a point!! But he cant think of anything so he just makes fun of people. Is there any liberal that can debate intelligently??
Of course women gave birth to us, theyre also gonna give birth to your kids!! Thats why they deserve to be treated like a princess! Everything u do should be to make ur wife happy!
Men didnt give women their rights?? Thats funny, how many women were on the supreme court when they got the right to vote? I know u dont know the answer, so ill help u. NONE!! What war did women fight to gain equality? None! Everything a women has today has been given to her. They didnt go out and take it the way men do. Men fight wars to get what we want!!
Even though women give birth to men, dont forget, it was Adam who ASKED God for women. Otherwise they wouldnt exsit!
God told Adam, if u want an EQUAL partner, u must sacrifice an arm and a leg!! Adam responded, What can i get for a rib?
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Hey ladies, looks like its just yall in me in this room, any ideas?
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Equal pay for Equal work?
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first, i dont give a sh*t about ur sister, and the bad choices she made!!! Its not a slave, the women gets paid sor staying home and taking care of the house(by a real man). The women gets anything she wants and the man drops everything in a sec to take care of her needs and wants!! In return she cooks meals for him, make sure he comes home to a clean house, and raises the kids!! Its a great relationship, that the bible preaches!! When you say vows in a CHURCH, the man says love honor and respect. The women says love honor and OBEY!!
Why not vote for men? Men have given women every right they have!!
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Equal pay for Equal work?
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First of all lots of women pull their weight, my mom stays at home and keeps the house for my dad and brothers!! If my responses arent at full strength its because ive already argue the same points uve made, and if u want to know why ur wrong u can just go read some early post!! Yes, even in the medical field women are inferior. Especially in my medical field which requires more than working in a hospital!! Do u relize how many females passed the same class as i and didnt do half the things required!!
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12/6/2004 9:30:24 AM
likes joshing my balls
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Equal pay for Equal work?
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12/6/2004 9:29:40 AM
What is wrong with shoveling sh*t?? Thats a job!! At least that person is working and not on welfare!! I like how you threw that word in Ingnorance, since your debating a point u admit not to know about!!
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Equal pay for Equal work?
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Koi This thread is on a topic, not about bashing someones views!! If you have nothing smart to add saty out!
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didnt i see him on Americas Most Wanted?
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i could make a killing w/those lips
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wants her to take control
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can i get a copy
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i dont wanna hug you racist
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Pit won
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dude u better share some of those chicks
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does size REALLY matter???
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12/5/2004 9:18:13 PM
ya i cant stand for a girl to be taller than me, which sucks cause im short!!
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hey missie
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^doesnt care about others feelings
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dont give out my secret
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