Ck6905 : , we get no replies except from heavy set women who don't have many options

male2male10011
The looks test.
The job test.
The clothes test.
The area where you live test.
The car test.

More women need to look at themselves in the mirror and come to grips with reality.

They are not special.
They are not gorgeous.
They are not brilliant.
They are not sophisticated

Internet dating is nothing but a huge ego boost for 99% of the women here

Purplethumb said : male2male10011 , sorry i called you ugly in your other thread. You are normal looking for a man of your age.

But as an inexperienced 21 year old, even i can spot the root of your problems.

You keep going on these ridiculously sexist rants, and they go beyond disrespect.

You have a seething hatred towards women that oozes out of everything you say. You really need some professional help.

"Science tells us that by shear instinct, we seek out a partner that exhibits favorable features that will extend our gene pool into the next generation."

Oh right, blame science for everything someone does wrong; typical modern cop-out excuse for everything.

I can't do anything about that so I might as well not get upset over it.

Seriousy I thought mizeat was pulling our collective leg so I googled.
You get 3 guesses about what I found, and the first 2 don't count. Cindy O

You know this is one of my biggest regrets in life, and that is not having much of a social circle of friends, in fact I don't think I actually have any that I can call true friends. Ever since I left high school it seems I never had much friends to chill with, to go out with, and help me meet new girls at the clubs/bars and what not. I did have a best friend that I knew since childhood, but we got into a big riff and I haven't spoke to him in a few years now. So I lost that person as a friend too.

When I look at the fact that I'm in my mid 30's still not married without any kids, I always look at this as the main reason why. If I could make new friends I would love to, but at this stage of my life that doesn't seem possible. Does anyone have this problem? It does get depressing when I think about it, having some good friends sure would make things much better. Anyone in a similar situation in their life, how do you deal with it, how do you meet woman outside of online dating?

^^^ Did you forget you have a posting history?

Check your post @ MSG 133 in the "Marriage Scams" thread where you offer your overseas trips up as some kind of "evidence" for understanding the topic. Since you just posted it a few days ago, I am surprised you have forgotten so quickly. Perhaps your staff at the "foreign bride" business office takes turns posting?

It's shocking that your POF profile hasn't been added to the POFreaks website by now. You'd be an "all-star" in no time.

Seriously, "roger," you better get a move on. You claim to have made fourteen trips (Phillippines - 7, Germany - 1, Mexico -3, Peru - 3) to seek your overseas mate, yet have been unsuccessful?

Uh,oh ... time to call the Whaaaambulance

Just another "nice guy" thread ... *yawn

If I was talking to a guy that held many facts such as myself I would choose not to engage me further either.

Mrun-you keep referring to "your" country when posting-yet your profile indicates that you yourself live in the US.
If you think that the US and our women suck so badly, why don't you go back and live wherever it is you came from

"When mother Theresa came to the United States to receive an honorary degree, she said, 'This is the poorest place I've ever been in my life,' recounts Robert Seiple, the former director of World Vision, a Christian charity organization. "She wasn't talking about economics", he adds. "She was talking about poverty of the soul". (Affluenza, pg 74)

Tocqueville said it in 1831, and it is even more true today: Americans simply cannot tolerate, cannot even hear, fundamental critiques of America. IQ has very little to do with it. In an ontological sense, they simply cannot bear it. And if this is true for the "best and the brightest," then what does this say for the rest of us?” Source: http://www.alternet.org/world/154453/why_the_american_empire_was_destined_to_collapse/

only two were close in age (4 -6 years difference). In the other 28 there was a 20 to 50 year difference in age.

Roger, you're knowledge of 'foreign women' is non-existent....actually, you're experience with American women is probably almost non-existent.

There is that veiled threat Cindy spoke of. What you dont get dude is the fact most women don't give a rat's ass if these type of men drop off the face of the earth or country because these aren't the type of men most western women want. Personally, I feel they would be doing a huge community service by leaving. .

“David Jedlicka (1988, cited in Glodava and Onizuka, 1994) surveyed 607 American men seeking mail-order brides and received 206 responses. He found that the men were generally white (94 percent); highly educated (50 percent with two or more years of college, 6 percent with M.D.'s or Ph.D.'s, only five did not complete high school); politically and ideologically conservative; and generally economically and professionally successful (64 percent earned more than $20,000 a year; 42 were in professional or managerial positions). Their median age was 37.”

Just because the man is only 24, doesn’t mean he is incapable of understanding irrefutable truth.

I’m 35, and all I can say is I wish I had mizeat’s grasp on the obvious when I was his age, because all through high school and my early 20’s I didn’t understand a thing about how to get attention from women. What ended up happening was I retreated to the solace of relationships where the women capitalized on my naivety and lack of self-esteem.

Luckily for me, I started to come around by the time I was 25-26 and did all of the simple “self-improvement” things mizeat has been mentioning over and over in this thread: I started learning how to read food labels and eating healthy, I started exercising, ditched the glasses for contacts, completely overhauled my wardrobe, and “practiced” interacting with women at every chance I got, regardless of whether it was an 18 year-old in the coffee shop drive through or a middle-aged mom working the register at Walmart. The idea, of course, was not to “get with” those women, but to build confidence in approaching them casually. That is, after all, the hard part. I remember being floored at just how much changing my approach changed how women seemed to respond. I quickly got addicted to the “good feeling” of making progress, so it made me work at it more and more.

Fast forward 10 years to the present and I’m not calling myself a lady-slayer by any stretch, but I will say this: I never (ever) feel like I have any trouble getting messages from women on PoF and dates with interesting and attractive women both online and off (all from my homeland, incidentally).

The above is a real-life story, so take it for what it’s worth.

Another thing I’d like to commend mizeat for is his no-nonsense take on the “just be yourself” bullshit. That mentality is nothing but a shelter for yellow-bellied wimps, and is the very thing that prevented me for so long from seeing the truth about how things actually work in the real world. And just to be crystal clear, no, the implication here is not that you should be “phony”, so do yourself a favor and resist the urge to use that as an excuse not to work on yourself. Come on, folks think about it—you can make changes to your lifestyle, get in shape, stop dressing like an ordinary dweeb, and make regular attempts to communicate with the opposite sex without selling out on the core principles, values, and beliefs that make you who you are. Not only will these efforts bring a sea-change to your dating success, but you will become a healthier human being overall—physically healthier by means of ditching the spare tire and getting yourself in shape, and mentally healthier by means of the positive vibes that derive from self-confidence.

The catch, of course, is that tending to these areas takes initiative, effort, and courage. The woe-is-me whiners would prefer to sit on their couches in their cargo pants and baggy golf shirts with a bag of chips and a diet coke, contemplating their pudgy navels, cursing the world for expecting them to “be somebody else” in order to get dates. Sorry guys, but take it from a reformed be-yourselfer: you can cling to that mentality like a thumb-sucking toddler on a security blanket and spend the rest of your life pulling your wang, or you can get out of your comfort zone, make some changes, and find out what it’s like to win a hard-fought battle and reap the rewards. It’s your call, but time’s a wastin’.

It certainly seems to me like a lot of these men who are ranting about how horrible US women are, are men who are trying to get with women who are way out of their league(I HATE the "league" concept but I have to accept that it does exist).

the idea that foreign men have the "convenience" of treating their women badly, because if a woman leaves him there are plenty waiting to replace her. When we as a society start ENVYING another societies "convenience" to mistreat one's partner and easily replace her if she leaves-then we are REALLY in trouble.

we are going to teach you U.S. women a lesson-we are going to all go to some other country to find women" is being used as some sort of(thinly) veiled threat...Guys-do you REALLY think the average US woman-yep even the old fat ugly ones!- are going to GIVE BACK equal ediucational and economic opportunity, that they are going to ask the government to repeal female suffrage, in order to keep (mostly) undesirable men from looking abroad for women?
Really, dudes? REALLY?

hey I even posted statistical evidence..blah blah blah.. Post some real stuff rather then DRIBBLE otherwise none of this is worth my time.

It's mind blowing how many people travel all over the world and still aren't convinced to just marry foreign women. Hell everyone who travels overseas should just marry overseas chicks correct? What don't these people see that you do?? Athletes, business men, any man who travels overseas should come back with a foreign wife! I can't believe how many millions of people who've travelled overseas on an annual, monthly, daily basis haven't "seen the light"! LMAO.

You are an expert afterall, being 24 and so full of life experiences, though you haven't even broken from your insulated American perspective.

I can't believe how many millions of people who've travelled overseas on an annual, monthly, daily basis haven't "seen the light"! LMAO.

Alright mizeat, we call all improve ourselves somewhat, I think what I was trying to say was don't drastically change yourself or try to be someone you're not.

Wow Roger33... I had no idea that all Russian men were out of a job drunks who beat there wifes and rape women on the street and then died early.... Get of your bassement often???? Do you think all Latin men are lazy no good drunks??? How about all rednecks drink beer drive broken down cars and shoot dogs on the street and beat there wifes. You watch way too much TV

Is that what all American women and whiny nancy boys have lead you to believe? Women use that nonsense to weed out the nancy boys. Trust me on that. I've learned to ignore nonsense and treat people normally. Your mind would be blown at how much women are receptive to a dude with a head on his shoulders who isn't a pushover and is confident in himself, takes care of himself and doesn't act as if his world would be shattered if she decided she didn't "want" him. Ignore the nonsense. Keep it Zen like at all times. What you throw ou to the universe you will get back.

No is it not an excuse to give up or be lazy but it is a reality that can not be denied or the blame thrown elsewhere.

American women have made the choice they rather be single then settle for less then perfect, they set the bar, that is their right, that they had to fight very hard for that right. So i respect it.

Doesn't mean I or any other guy has to play their game though. Now does it?

Not all foreign women are *gold diggers*

Plenty will settle for even a working class American guy.(if he isn't truly a slob)

There is a genuine appeal between the sex's when it comes to different nationalities.

Women can attest to the appeal of foreign men right?

For those who lack common sense, or the willingness to self improve, dude does make a good point, you will just get taken by a foreign women anyway.

Im not talking about the slobs but the decent men who are trying to improve their life but are hitting walls of rejection regardless.

Why not take a middle ground approach? See where *improving one's self takes you* and be ready to pack up your belongings in the event it doesn't.

Every one fails everywhere all over the earth everyday. It's how you learn and grow from those experiences. Winners become winners by failing, learning, improving, and growing. Not by running off to fantasy land bubble world as a band aid. Actors, Athetes, businesses, people in general fail all the time. It's life. Learn and grow. Period. They become winners by looking past the "obstacles" and WIN despite the odds. Funny I see people everyday going out, dating, hanging out etc. And these aren't all fantasy perfect 10 men with perfect 10 girlfriends. Some are quite "average/normal" and STILL manage to get what they want despite the "fact" of the "horrid" American culture you speak of.

Not all. But let's get serious. You think these women think they are just going to get by with a man on looks and love? You think these foreign women who KNOW American men are flying over to see them just get dolled up for "love" and don't see any MONEY in these guys who are desperate enough to fly over because "they don't like American women because they are "gold diggers"? It's like a chick saying she's tired of all the players. They players know she's a MARK. Tell her what she wants to hear. Get's what they want and takes off. You think no other American men are throwing money at these same women other men are flying over looking to date? Please. Don't be purposely nieve.

So these women have to "settle" for a man who can't cut it in his own country because he refuses to improve himself? I see how that works.

Yes. Golden American man. Or they see Golden American men. all vying for the hottest babe they can land. I'm sure all of these "nice" men aren't all tripping over themselves to go for the best looking. Nah couldn't be.

Most without common sense are seen as soon as they unboard that flight in foreign lands. Desperate American Golden man. You don't think these women know these men are either desperate and or full of it when they hand them lines of how they dislike American, Canadian etc chicks yet run their Western man card to score chicks abroad? These chicks sit back and let the fools run their mouths, smile at them, touching/dancing with them, gas their heads up with compliments and pour it on to get that fool to buy her dinner (because she's "worth" it) slowly play the "victim" card and have the American gassed up chump start trying to buy her affections/sex to ward off her other American etc. suitors while she's running the same game on other dudes.

People who say they are afraid of "rejection" aren't afraid of rejection. They are afraid of ACCEPTANCE. Why? Rejection is a small sting. One time and it's over. If you are afraid of rejection how the hell can you not be afriad of acceptance? ACCEPTANCE is what those people fear. Because with ACCEPTANCE means you then have to face your real or perceived imperfections and leave yourself vulnerable to this person you've put on a pedastal without even knowing them but also the fact that with acceptance by that person, you might eventually have to repeat it with their friends, and family and also the possibility that the fantasy of that "perfect" person you've created in your mind may not actually be so "perfect" nor work out in reality.

If you can't improve in America, Canada, UK, Australia what in Gods name makes you think you'll magically improve elsewhere?

In Roger33's world it's easier to move to another country, learn their language, follow their customs, get employed, find living arraingments etc.

Of course! All foreign men are completely helpless abusive **stards! The Golden American man is the answer to lifes problems!

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Dude they game you clowns and gas your heads up. Find the American slob. Gas his head up. Tell him he's "hot" and turn his pockets out

the plane with his comb over, beer gut, and teeth brushed with a pack of firecrackers expecting his perfect 10. LMAO. That's some candid camera foreign style! (Don't worry handsome. She loves you for just being you!) Hahahaha!

So your own evidence says they are looking for someone with more money. Fool. Yea. Winston Wu and crew are all "movie star" good looks. Hahahahaha!! These chicks are gassing your fool heads up! Gas em up and play them like fiddles. "You handsome golden American man"! So all these "ugly" foreign men get loads of babes but these same babes want the American "movie star" good looks. Dude they game you clowns and gas your heads up. Find the American slob. Gas his head up. Tell him he's "hot" and turn his pockets out! These foreign women must be in for a real shock when the American movie star looks unboards the plane with his comb over, beer gut, and teeth brushed with a pack of firecrackers expecting his perfect 10. LMAO. That's some candid camera foreign style! (Don't worry handsome. She loves you for just being you!) Hahahaha!

You think some beauty pageant contestant from overseas is going to want your pathetic self when she could have her pick of any man in her own country with their own values and ways of doing things especially if he's loaded? I get it.

Just sit on your arse and expect some goddess to drop into your lap

you are willing to flee the "bad" U.S. and run to God knows where to find a perfect 10

Going overseas is going to make you good with women even though you can't hack it in your own back yard.

You all claim not to pedestalize western women but can't stop going at them even when you're all living it up in foreign shangri la!

not an object I need to "own

There’s a famous Russian saying that says that the Man may be the head of the family but his wife is the neck that turns the head into the direction it wants!Russian women are very strong, resourceful and streetwise. The amazing thing is that they are all of this without being loud or obnoxious as is prevalent in the US. If they were submissive then they wouldn’t be able to survive in this tough environment. For example they are often dealing with drunk, aggressive and sometimes dangerous Russian men who want to harass or have sex with them. Behavior that would get a man locked up in no time flat in the United States is openly tolerated here and Russian Women are left to fend for themselves. Quite frankly there is great irony here since most American women (who believe themselves to be more independent or stronger then Russian women) would not last long in this environment.

I can't find anyone who wants to date me so let me run overseas and get married! LMAO. Wusers!!

1) There is no movement of men in other countries who complain about not being able to get dates with the type of women they would want. The pickupartist is only a US thing, with a little activity in other Western cultures. It doesnt exist in Latin America, middle east or asia. That right there proves there is a problem with the US dating scene

2)"Most of the women we interviewed insisted they were not looking for a prince charming -then, without missing a beat, they described an equally unattainable ideal". It’s ironic that we’ve developed such lofty expectations of our potential husbands at a time when nearly 50% of marriages still end in divorce. (Jean Twenge Gen me pg 133)



3)And mizeat, try telling me how this doesnt support the notion that men have it rough in the US dating scene. And why searching abroad is a rational, logical, and intelligent decision: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html


4) Single men far outnumber single women in the US

a) http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/04/unmarried-mal-1.html . If one thinks this does not put men at a Huge disadvantage, they are nuts!

b) There are actually thousands more single young men than women in America. Between the ages of 25 and 39, for every 1 unmarried woman there are 1.2 unmarried men. Even when you look only between the ages of 35 and 39, there are still thousands more unmarried men. I can hear women immediately yelling that all of the good ones are taken, but the truth is that its single men who should be anxious and complaining. Men get lonely too, though we rarely see that addressed on TV or in the movies. (Jean twenge Generation Me, 113-114)

If you're sooooo "happy" with your perfect 10 foreign "girlfriends" WTF do you have to complain about and care about compiling data against western chicks? Why would any SANE individual even care?

That was kind of a giant leap Roger and WAY WAY off... NOT foreign born and NOT foreign raised. She was born and raised in Los Angeles.

it's odd that so many want to immigrate here

Opps,, rog,,, I see you live in Texas,, I wonder why you live in the US..

You really that naive?

That statement is far from the truth,, it would serve no purpose to really put any effort in my response..

What a silly statement. We must be the horniest country on the planet.

I have noticed a reoccurring theme in many profiles. Many women find the need to explicitly state that they are very blunt in their profiles. I am a person who chooses his words carefully and tries to not upset people. Why do women feel the need to state this in their profiles? Can't people learn to be tactful in modern society nowadays? I am hesitant to message any woman who states this.

I happen to agree with you.

I wonder if some men associate "blunt" with "not feminine" ?

one of my favorite questions to ask potential dates i ran into on here was "how did you get separated/divorced" everyone answer i got was another way to say that she was no longer happy. to me, that automatically rules her out for anything long term.

I have a right to be happy, don’t I” is not an infrequent comment from callers frustrated that their marriages haven’t put them in a perpetual valium – drip state. And this focus on happiness helps them to rationalize their virtual abandonment of marriage and family, replacing it with hobbies, drugs and alcohol, work, affairs. This is the point I bring to the attention of many women callers who, with unrealistic demands and outrageously negative behaviors, determine that the solution to the problems in their home is divorce. (Dr Laura Schlessinger)

"Try visiting various female oriented internet chat rooms, and you’ll find cheering sections rallying behind women who trash their men, determined to leave them for trivial reasons. (i.e. He’s not talkative enough, I just don’t feel complete, I’m bored, or He doesn’t want me talking to my mother every day)" (Dr Laura Schlessinger)

"I have a right to be happy, don’t I” is not an infrequent comment from callers frustrated that their marriages haven’t put them in a perpetual valium –drip state. And this focus on happiness helps them to rationalize their virtual abandonment of marriage and family, replacing it with hobbies, drugs and alcohol, work, affairs" and "This is the point I bring to the attention of many women callers who, with unrealistic demands and outrageously negative behaviors, determine that the solution to the problems in their home is divorce. They are wrong if they think a new pair of pants will change their lives – because the same skirt will be in the room!" (Dr Laura Schlessinger)

"There is evidence that women with traditional sex role attitudes are indeed less likely to divorce than those with feminists attitudes" (Dr David G Myers)

One in two marriages will fail with the wife being twice as likely to initiate the proceedings on grounds of "general discontent"
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,94415,00.html#ixzz235fVIbHZ

Again we hear from Roger33, gee wonder why the divorce rate is so much lower, could it be because the women involved have no where to go except back from the country they came from? Often not an ideal choice.

So my questions are,, why do "some" people do this? Do you see a positive result by taking the negative approach of the opposite sex?

Hey thats why the divorce rate is over 50%.

There is no woman shortage in North America

You don’t ASK for a divorce…it’s a pain in the ass, lengthy, expensive legal process and THAT’S why most men can’t be bothered with it…or with your cute little survey.

That they have no problem screwing other women while still married? That a woman’s morals and self respect are important to her?

selfish individualistic cultures like that of the west.That is complete BS, if we are so self absorbed then why do we give to charity more than any other country in the world??

One pattern of relationship behaviors is the “fear of settling” or “fear of missing out on the magic.” In the old days this would have been considered simple immaturity. You would have been told to “take the good with the bad” or relationships are not all about you.” Today there is a different cultural message. Our individualistic culture narcissistically teaches people not to compromise (The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 221)

Individualists also feel more frustration with their marriages: they criticize their partners more severely and express less marital happiness. (The American Paradox, pg 184)

If individualism corrodes family commitments, we should also expect to see greater individualism linked with weaker family bonds across cultures – which we do. The United States is both the world’s most individualistic and most divorce prone nation. (The American Paradox, pg 184)

“Narcissistic personality traits rose just as fast as obesity from the 1980’s to the present, with the shift especially pronounced for women” (The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 1-4).

“The upswing in narcissism appears to be accelerating: the increase between 2000 and 2006 was especially steep. The changes were especially large for women” (The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 31).

“According to the American research, there has been a 67 per cent increase in it over the past two decades, mainly among women”.

Many people in the United States today are simply oblivious to others’ needs, or worse, think that others’ needs are just not as important as their own needs. This state of mind is called entitlement, the pervasive belief that one deserves special treatment, success, and more material things. Entitlement is one of the key components of narcissism, and one of the most damaging to others. When narcissists feel entitled to special treatment, someone else invariably gets the shaft. (Dr Jean Twenge - The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 230)

Narcissism has corroded interpersonal relationships. There has been a switch from deep to shallow relationships, a destruction of social trust, and an increase in entitlement and selfishness. (Dr Jean Twenge - The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 276)

There is a “what have you done for me lately?” attitude in relationships. And if the answer is “not enough”, then it’s on to the next partner –after all, goes our narcissistic culture patter, “you deserve better!” It’s difficult to focus on someone else when you’ve been taught your whole life to focus on yourself. (The Narcissism Epidemic, pg 221) [/qoute]

Hey, I am foreign... ; )

--and I don't want to marry any of you.

That would mean 50% of marriages are successful. Oopsie…that’s not conducive to your sales pitch.

"Between 4,000 and 6,000 marriages in the United States are arranged through IMBs each year,20 yet represent only 0.004% of all marriages in the United States.21 These marriages have over an eighty percent success rate as opposed to a mere forty-nine percent success rate in the United States as a whole.22" (Campbell Law review - http://law.campbell.edu/lawreview/articles/29-2-311.pdf )

The actual divorce rate is not 50% as you people are claiming. Do your homework before making incorrect statements.The rate of divorce in America is high and it has even reported by various organizations that the rate is 50%. To be more precise, this is not true.
So, let’s begin with a table of age at marriage for those who want it to end:
Age Women Men
Under 20 years old 27.6% 11.7%
20 to 24 years old 36.6% 38.8%
25 to 29 years old 16.4% 22.3%
30 to 34 years old 8.5% 11.6%
35 to 39 years old 5.1% 6.5%

The overall rate of divorce in America in 2009 for men is 9.2 and the same for women is 9.7. For northeast region, the rate for men and women in 2009 is 7.2 and 7.5 respectively. For Midwest region of America, the rate for men and women in 2009 is 9.1 and 9.2 respectively. In the south region the rate for men in 2009 is 10.2 and that for women is 11.1. Lastly, the rate in the western region in 2009 is 9.2 and 9.8 for men and women respectively

Insight as to why many men will not search abroad for love and marriage

There certainly are some lonely men who would do almost ANYTHING for one of those "gorgeous foreign brides" for a few years "bliss",
including fooling themselves for a long time into thinking she was there because she really loved him at the start,
from 5000 miles away and before even having met...

This woman realized she had won the lottery

foreign women are so grateful to be in America that they sometimes actually die of happiness.

WAIT a minute!!! You are telling me that there are GORGEOUS foreign brides waiting to be mine somewhere?

other times the lady is looking for love and an escape from her present situation

I get the impression that men who go on about wanting a foreign bride who isn't "American" are typically losers.

Guys who want their own personal Genie in a bottle to dutifully wait at home and greet their man at the door with a sandwich and a smile...and nothing else. If she ever develops an opinion or speaks up for herself, she just gets sent back to the company and a newer model is shipped out to replace the defective one.

I have never been on one of the foreign brides sites, I would avoid them, and think the odds of a happy ever after marriage are slim.

I am currently seeing a Latina nurse that combines heart like Flo Nightingale with Salma Hayek attractiveness. Yeah I am a happy SOB.